YTSEJAM Digest 4037
Today's Topics:
1) Orchestral stuff
by "Jon Kretschmer" <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
2) Re: Orchestral stuff
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
3) Am I the only idiot who does spring cleaning in July?
by Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
4) Attn Dale Newberry!!!!
by Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
5) Re: Am I the only idiot who does spring cleaning in July?
by Mauricio =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mart=EDnez?= <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
6) Re: World Cup Soccer
by Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
7) Re: Am I the only idiot who does spring cleaning in July?
by Mauricio =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mart=EDnez?= <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
8) Re: Lines in the sand question
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
9) Whoopsies! =)
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
10) Melletron
by Andy <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
11) Re: Bernd's Guitar tone/WC
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
12) Re: Lines in the sand question
by Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net>
13) Trials of Tears pt. 2
by Joseph Shelby <acroyear@io.com>
14) FII transcription book
by Nick Guadagnoli <progrockboy@linkline.com>
15) Live CD Dream Theater
by "Juan Francisco Quintero" <jfquintero@sysop.com.mx>
16) Cdnow
by "Matt Halloran" <imemnok@hurricane.gnt.net>
17) LITS Tab
by "Shane Woolcock" <woolcock@camtech.net.au>
18) Re: Leno
by AL <al@isd.net>
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:25:10 -0700
From: "Jon Kretschmer" <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Orchestral stuff
Message-ID: <199807042227.PAA20716@smtp.ucsd.edu>
> From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
<about orchestral music>
> I now ask what brands/labels, among the many out there, are the one(s) to
go for when
> buying?
Good question, and one that should be addressed.
> Naxos seem great because they're so cheap, but I'm unsure about the
> performance and sound quality.
Exactly. That is why they are so inexpensive. If you look at the ensembles
that Naxos sells, you will see that they are some garage orchestra from the
back waters of Pakistan. Stay as far away as you can from Naxos.
The big thing to remember when buying orchestral music is to choose
recordings of well known symphonies. If the symphony has a big city as its'
principle title (ie New York Philharmonic, Chicago Symphony Orchestra,
etc...), it is probably a safe bet. Also, try and see when the recording
was made. Try to stick with digital recording (ie 1970s and later), as
opposed to analogue. Often times analogue has an annoying hiss.
So the record label isnt so important, it is the group that you should look
at. Also important is the conductor, but chances are that if it is New York
Phil, they arent going to have a schlock conductor up there to ruin
interpretation.
Gotta run.
Jon
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:55:09 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Orchestral stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980704194230.1251A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Jon Kretschmer wrote:
> Also, try and see when the recording was made. Try to stick with
> digital recording (ie 1970s and later), as opposed to analogue. Often
> times analogue has an annoying hiss.
Humm... I don't know... After, say, 15 minutes listening to
something, the hiss can be annoying only if it is *very* prominent in the
recording.
And many people are prompt to tell you that many of the greatest
performances of Beethoven works, for instance, were conducted by
Furtwaengler circa 1950. Thus, the recordings isn't your common
bits-in-your-bytes recording, but only a very good mono recording with
impecable performance. Get Beethoven's 9th under interpretation of
Furtwaengler and you'll be very happy.
The thing with orchestral recordings is: does it cause you lots
of emotions? If yes, then just keep it, no matter what the conductor,
format or ensemble are.
BTW, I already mentioned this here, but I think that it's never
too much to reiterate: if you don't know yet a 3CD set by a performer
called Manuel Barrueco, entitled "300 Years of Guitar Masterpieces",
released on VoxBox (CD3X 3007), do check it out. It contains some nice
compositions by: J.S. Bach, Albeniz, Paganini, Granados, Scarlatti, Heitor
Villa-Lobos, M. Camargo Guarnieri, Chavez among others. And it's really a
bargain (I paid 14 dollars for the 3CD set). The sound quality isn't that
nice, since it was recorded with analog equipment more than 20 years ago,
but I guess that it's worth to see the contrasting styles changing during
time.
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 19:28:01 -0400 From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Am I the only idiot who does spring cleaning in July? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980704192801.0068fb04@mail.ee.net>
I joined the DTIFC (fan club) a couple of years ago in order to get the 1996 Christmas bonus CD which is totally cool and I would never dream of selling. Anyhoo, being the anal-retentive, over-organized packrat that I am, I saved the memorabilia junk that came as part of the fan club.
It includes: - The standard ACOS promo photo - Band members standing in rain puddles in city street intersection with big warehouse-looking building and bright streetlights in the background. Band members are doing the standard cool bad-ass poses. Photo credit Joseph Cultice. This photo is autographed by the band members. Mike Portnoy's signature is a real John-Fucking-Hancock. Derek's signature implies that even he can't spell his own name. :-) - Dream Theater: Images and Words - The Official International Fan Club Magazine. Issues No. 11, 12, 13, and 14. Interesting stuff full of interesting little tidbits that wacko fans can try to use to fake their way backstage.
I am making the same offer as I did for the other stuff, except that I demand a new winner in order to spread the junk (wealth?):
Available free to first person to send me an adequately groveling email explaining in 3000 words or less why you'd want this stuff. Limited to US mailing addresses only. (Sorry) The interested party must be willing to pay for shipping. Mike Portnoy is only eligible if the band plays my backyard. :-)
I would request that the person who desires this stuff please assure me thru a blood oath, signed affadavit, whatever, that you don't already have it and are just being greedy.
I'm still looking for more stuff to give away. What's that box of videos over there in the corner? I'll have to look into that. What are all these half-written parodies I see on my hard drive...
Joe jkruger@ee.net
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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 19:53:36 -0400 From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Attn Dale Newberry!!!! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980704195336.0068e950@mail.ee.net>
The jam eagerly awaits your detailed review of the Saviour Machine show. I wish I could have driven 6 hours to stay up until midnight to see them play in some tent with a crappy sound system and be cursed by half of the "true" Christians in attendance. I'd love to see them play Powermad (which I will certainly be attending), but somehow a 45-minute set performed in front of the heathens is probably not the best audience or performance for the band.
Anyone unfamiliar with Saviour Machine's material owes it to themselves to check out this band. Eric Clayton is truly a musical genius!
Joe jkruger@ee.net
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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 18:55:57 -0600 From: Mauricio =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mart=EDnez?= <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Am I the only idiot who does spring cleaning in July? Message-ID: <199807042356.SAA21994@academ10.mty.itesm.mx>
Well, 3,000 words are a lot man........but seeing that you are giving this stuff away (hey, this stuff is WEALTH for me!), i can happily accept it before you get desperate and throw it all away to the garbage...... I m planning to subscribe to the DTIFC, but it would help a lot to see what kind of stuff you recieve....plus, i d like to see some of that stuff, printed stuff, cause trading tapes of bootlegs is getting a little tiring for me.....anyway, contact me if you agree in giving me this stuff.
Mauricio
At 04:40 PM 4/07/98 -0700, you wrote: > >I joined the DTIFC (fan club) a couple of years ago in order to get the >1996 Christmas bonus CD which is totally cool and I would never dream >of selling. Anyhoo, being the anal-retentive, over-organized packrat that >I am, I saved the memorabilia junk that came as part of the fan club. > >It includes: > - The standard ACOS promo photo - Band members standing in rain puddles > in city street intersection with big warehouse-looking building > and bright streetlights in the background. Band members are doing > the standard cool bad-ass poses. Photo credit Joseph Cultice. This > photo is autographed by the band members. Mike Portnoy's signature > is a real John-Fucking-Hancock. Derek's signature implies that even > he can't spell his own name. :-) > - Dream Theater: Images and Words - The Official International Fan > Club Magazine. Issues No. 11, 12, 13, and 14. Interesting stuff full > of interesting little tidbits that wacko fans can try to use to fake > their way backstage. > >I am making the same offer as I did for the other stuff, except that >I demand a new winner in order to spread the junk (wealth?): > >Available free to first person to send me an adequately groveling email >explaining in 3000 words or less why you'd want this stuff. Limited to >US mailing addresses only. (Sorry) The interested party must be >willing to pay for shipping. Mike Portnoy is only eligible if the band >plays my backyard. :-) > >I would request that the person who desires this stuff please assure me >thru a blood oath, signed affadavit, whatever, that you don't already >have it and are just being greedy. > >I'm still looking for more stuff to give away. What's that box of >videos over there in the corner? I'll have to look into that. What are >all these half-written parodies I see on my hard drive... > > >Joe >jkruger@ee.net >
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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 20:09:38 -0400 From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: World Cup Soccer Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980704200938.0068e950@mail.ee.net>
I love World Cup soccer. I don't really watch any of the games, but I do love to watch the post-game uh... activities? on the news reports. The fans of World Cup soccer are the coolest. Dream Theater needs fans like these guys. Guys who you can count on, win or lose, good show or bad, to riot (in celebration or in anger) after every performance. Guys who would kill any band member who dared to perform subpar. Imagine the press the band would get.
But no, DT fans are music nerds who stand around watching the fingers or hands or butts of their favorite members (or members of their favorite members, I don't know) Afterward they rush out to their cars to collect their tab notation for the band members to autograph. Where's the fun in that?
DT gets stuck with lame-o fans like that Damon guy in NJ. Here's a guy who claims to be a real fan and he won't even drive himself a couple of hours to attend fan gatherings and concerts. What's his excuse? This band needs real fans...serious fans...psychotic fans. Bafu can't do it all by himself anymore. He has a full-time job. Instead of reporting on the boring old setlist or the audience-member drum solo we could be treated by reports of mayhem and destruction; violence run amok. We should come back from a show and report the number of arrests, injuries, deaths, news helicopters, police dogs.
Then we would know that DT has achieved a level of fame and notoriety equal to World Cup soccer; that DT has established a solid, permanent foundation of fans in the criminal class. Then I'd be able to watch DT on pay-per-view surrounded by the safe comfort of my Barcalounger right here in the comfort of my own home.
Joe jkruger@ee.net
PS. Just kidding. I think watching somebody besides my kids play soccer is as boring as watching grass grow. And, yes, I know Damon is blind and Bafu is well-balanced.
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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 19:21:24 -0600 From: Mauricio =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mart=EDnez?= <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Am I the only idiot who does spring cleaning in July? Message-ID: <199807050024.TAA14183@academ10.mty.itesm.mx>
Oooooppppsss! Sorry for this message guys....i thought i sent it to the guy, but it got to the jam.
It wont happen again. (i hope :) )
Mauricio
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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 17:38:37 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Lines in the sand question Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980704173836.006e8bb4@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 03:30 AM 7/4/98 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, >those who play Lines in the Sand, which of the following tabs do you prefer? >(at 1:52)
Actually, the tab book for FII has:
e----0----0--------------------------- b----3----3--------------------------- G----2----2--------5------------------ D----0----0-----5------3-------------- A----0----0---------------3----5------ E----x----x-----------------------5--- B----3----3---------------------------
This seems to get the clearest sound.
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 17:45:57 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Whoopsies! =) Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980704174556.006f0f30@postoffice.syspac.com>
I fucked that up. Should be....
e----0----0---------------------------- b----3----3---------------------------- G----2----2-----5---------------------- D----0----0--------5----3-------------- A----0----0----------------3----5------ E----x----x------------------------5--- B----3----3----------------------------
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:56:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy <ytsejam@UDel.Edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Melletron Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980704215520.23112A-100000@copland.udel.edu>
Hey Digital Man-----
As Robert Fripp once said..... "Tuning a Melletron, doesn't"
later......andy
Andrew Miller ytsejam@Udel.Edu
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:54:57 PST From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Bernd's Guitar tone/WC Message-ID: <199807050213.TAA03921@smartt.com>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 07/04/98 3:29pm -0700 Hey, I didn't see the entire thread BUT if you got gear questions, asides from asking Bernd, you can always check my site which has a list of what he uses. http://24.113.34.178/superior/
Check the Behind section, it's easy to find.
Oh yea...HOLLAND KICKS ASS!!!! Too bad for Germany, couldn't imagine Germany v.Holland, hehe, that would of been the start of WW3 :)
Mark Smeets/Stranger0/HTML Guild/ICQ-#1062196 ---------------------------------------------- "But in the fading of a season, to look across an empty sky For a forgotten childhood reason, to once more wish that you could" Savtage, Wake of Magellan: "Anymore" A Stranger's Domain: http://24.113.34.178/stranger/ The Megadeth Faq: http://24.113.34.178/megadeth/ The Superior Faq: http://24.113.34.178/superior/
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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 21:12:14 -0700 From: Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Lines in the sand question Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980704211209.00769aac@pop3.concentric.net>
Vince wrote:
>Actually, the tab book for FII has: > >e----0----0--------------------------- >b----3----3--------------------------- >G----2----2--------5------------------ >D----0----0-----5------3-------------- >A----0----0---------------3----5------ >E----x----x-----------------------5--- >B----3----3---------------------------
Well, in the four times I've seen Dream Theater play "Lines in the Sand", JP played it on a 6-string. Not that it matters or anything.
Rick Audet San Francisco
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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 00:32:02 -0400 From: Joseph Shelby <acroyear@io.com> To: voices@arastar.com, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Trials of Tears pt. 2 Message-ID: <359F01C2.D5F0E44F@io.com>
On "Deep in Heaven", have the band made any statement about just how close the instrumental is to "In the Dead of Night", from the first UK album?
the FAQ does mention that Allan Holdsworth (UK guitarist on the first album) is an influence, but this seems more than just an "influence" :)
for that matter, have the fans expressed any opinions?
email privatately, please... i don't have the time to deal with a subscription...
(i'm not complaining, of course...the music is great... :)
joe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Shelby mailto:acroyear@io.com 7401 Englewood Pl. #3 http://www.io.com/~acroyear Annandale, VA 22003 (703) 658-0167 | 247-7868 Software Engineer, ISX Corporation, Arlington, VA "I'll just treat this problem like my mattress - and sleep on it." --------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 21:38:50 -0700 From: Nick Guadagnoli <progrockboy@linkline.com> To: Da Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FII transcription book Message-ID: <359F035A.B020DAF@linkline.com>
it's true!! I was checking the product database at Guitar Center, where I work, and I noticed that the book for Falling into Infinity has been released, and is on order. (the powers that be spelled it Dream TheatRE... but at least they had the sense to order it)
--LiquidT
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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 23:50:22 -0500 From: "Juan Francisco Quintero" <jfquintero@sysop.com.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Live CD Dream Theater Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980704235022.007a02d0@sysop.com.mx>
Dutch Progressive Rock Page Progressive Rock Scene Newspaper - 3 July 1998
Live CD Dream Theater
Dream Theater will release a live CD later this year. The band has recorded the fanclub gig in Rotterdam, Holland, on 22 June 1998 and the gig 3 days later in Paris, France. There is a change that it will be a 2CD, because the band thinks they have enough live material besides these 2 gigs. Possibly Dream Theater will also release a video at the same time, but this is just some rumours.
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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:30:55 -0500 From: "Matt Halloran" <imemnok@hurricane.gnt.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Cdnow Message-ID: <000301bda7d6$16975ba0$315931cc@imemnok.gnt.net>
In case any of you skalliewags would be interested in this I thought I would slap it op onto the jam.
Cdnow has a $20 off offer if you buy 3 Cd's you can find it by following this link http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/redirect/leaf=from=mat:a:hmc:ceag:buy3
That is all for now....news at 11
MAtt Halloran
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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 15:07:17 +0930 From: "Shane Woolcock" <woolcock@camtech.net.au> To: "YtseJam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: LITS Tab Message-ID: <000801bda7d7$08516080$819017cb@shane>
I tried playing it both ways, and I decided I liked the second way better. It has a bassier feel to it, and it doesn't allow the first note after the D chord to ring on. It's also easier to play, IMO. I normally play the first chord like this though, since I got my RG7620 (so it's not the way JP plays it, but I can't play the bass at the same time!!):
E --------------------------------------- B --------------------------------------- G --------------------------------------- D ---7---7------------------------------ A ---5---5------------------------------ E ---5---5------------------------------ B ---3---3------------------------------
BTW, if anyone wants the tab for ToT, I've worked it all out up to about the first 30 seconds of the solo. I'm gonna post it to UACM when its finished, but you can take a look now if you like. Just ask!!
-------------------------------------------------------------------- Shane Woolcock - woolcock@camtech.net.au WWW - http://members.xoom.com/samah/ "Wearing apathetic displays, Sharing flesh like envy in cages..." - DT --------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 01:33:15 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: YTSELAND <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Leno Message-ID: <359F1E2B.D47D48B0@isd.net>
WazooDust@aol.com wrote: >I was watching Leno earlier, and 'Hanson' was on.. Just one question. How in >the fuck did they ever get a recording contract? I've seen bad local bands >that are better than them If you could talk Mike P. into sticking clam shells in his lips, Derek into wearing a suit of armor, JP into playing a instrument that has strings stretched over a Edsel grille, JM into playing whistles made from hollowed out Jenny-O turkey dogs, and James singing while gargling crushed razor blades, you would have a chance of getting DT on Leno. Of course this would also require a name change. Ladies and gentlemen.... Please give a warm welcome to: Captain diversity & his ecologically conscious home boys - playing their top 10 hit "Burning No Coal" It's up to someone else to write the parody lyrics for this topic. NP: The Best Of Hanson.... All 9 seconds!
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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