YTSEJAM Digest 4117
Today's Topics:
1) Sad songs, spooky songs, other stuff.
by Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu>
2) I'm a good boy. I am I am.. (WB cartoon dog)
by AL <al@isd.net>
3) Addition to creepy songs
by AL <al@isd.net>
4) Steer clear of so-called progressive band October Thorns
by DJDerango@aol.com
5) Re: To Richard Douwes: Beware of Buma/Stemra
by Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net>
6) Re: Toneadd9@aol.com
by Calvin6S@aol.com
7) King's X & DT
by Portnoy420@aol.com
8) digest ???
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
9) Dali's/Sad Songs
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
10) Re: Love Pump/The End
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
11) AOI/Magellan/Sick fucks
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
12) Re: Explorer's Club/Bozzio
by Scott Luttringer <95fa467@dvc.edu>
13) RE: Petrucci Screwups
by Paul fanguy <drumsrus@bellsouth.net>
14) RE: YTSEJAM digest 4116
by "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <pendragn@netins.net>
15) RE: Sad Songs
by RJEN@isma.co.uk
16) Re:Type-O
by AL <al@isd.net>
17) Tittels
by ytsejam@iname.com
18) Sad Songs?
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
19) Lemur Voice: new songs
by almar@freemail.nl
20) RENEGADE UPDATED!
by "Renegade" <army@psnet.com.br>
21) RE: Firehouse Concert
by krackley@weidmuller.com
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 01:15:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu>
To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Sad songs, spooky songs, other stuff.
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.980730010230.18438B-100000@river.it.gvsu.edu>
A good sad song:
A little ditty I wrote myself called "We're Out of Liquor"
Spooky songs: (serious)
"Raise the Knife" - DT (this better be on the next record!)
"Prelude to Agony" - Type O Negative
"Jesus Christ Pose" - Soundgarden
I could go on forever, which is a good reason to stop here.
So anyways, I have tons of copies of a compilation album that featured my
old band Inner Sect, and I'd like to give away a couple of them totally
free of charge to you. The only thing I ask in return is that you tell me
what you think of our song. I'll cover shipping, I just wanted to get rid
of a few of these things. Mail me back if you're interested.
And regarding the live album, I'm wondering if they are going to be able
to keep all the little snippets of other people's songs in there, or if
they will forced to take them off. Putting "Have A Cigar" in PS really
was a great idea that I look forward to having a copy of. Ciao.
-C#
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:31:18 -0500
From: AL <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: I'm a good boy. I am I am.. (WB cartoon dog)
Message-ID: <35C00526.361C9BB3@isd.net>
I'm as happy as Bill Clinton with a pair of ears in his hands!
A few days ago, I had a friend over to visit. I played the LIT video
for him. After I picked him up off the floor, he was VERY interested
in hearing more.... so I played ACOS, LTL, Metro, TOT, and a few
of the MP3 demos on the computer. He's hooked! Last night he wrote
down the concert info on the DP/ELP/DT show scheduled for Aug. 23rd
here in Minnesota.
As an added bonus, I went to my sister-in-law's house tonight to
look at the brother-in-law's computer, and get a hair cut.
Low and behold, Awake was blaring from his CD player!
When I said "huh" he exposed the jewel cases for I&W and ACOS!!!
About a year ago I gave him a ride about 100 miles up north to visit a
judge about a DWI matter. I played DT the entire way there, and King's X
for the return trip. The first thing he did (after the fines were paid) is start
acquiring DT Cds. Now the prick has better seats than I for the DP/ELP/DT
show here. Gotta love it!
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE ProgtologistSwitchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:33:33 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Addition to creepy songs Message-ID: <35C005AD.F1688F7B@isd.net>
I forgot a real creepy one from the early 70s. Bloodrock - DOA
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:16:47 EDT From: DJDerango@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Steer clear of so-called progressive band October Thorns Message-ID: <d6df9305.35c00fd0@aol.com>
Hello Fellow Prog Aficianados: I very rarely post to the Jam but read every digest I can fit in timewise (so damn many!). This is where I find a lot of the lastest informaion on both my favorite bands and bands that become my favorite bands. For this I wanted to return the favor to all of you. I received a sample tape of a band from New York called October Thorns claiming to be progressive metal in the vein of Dream Theater, Symphony X and Lemur Voice. Well, damn I had to hear this! Those are some of my favorite bands right tthere. What got me nervous upon receiving the package was the apparent boast of writing two of the songs in two days. That, to me, is just not nearly enought ime to write good progressive music much less what they were claiming to be. I still popped in the tape giving them the benefit of the doubt. Okay, here I am saying I would help these guys after they told me their supposed influences then I hear this... pradon my French - shit! The deal is they are looking for a new singer and were asking me if I could take a listen and think of some guys that would fit the bill. Apparently from listening the first guy got a clue and decided to leave this medicore band at best. So they're looking for someone who sounds somewhat like the first guy who was reminiscent of James LaBrie and Ray Alder to my ears. He was simply singing to overly simplistic and poorly thought out music. So you may think twice before either trying out for the vocal position in this band or going to see them if they ever make it out of their basement. If they do, still claiming to be progressive, then we have a band here in the form of October Thorns that could really leave a bad mark on the good progressive name. Sad indeed... That is all. Continue whatever it was you were doing. NP: Empty Tremor "Apocolokyntosis"
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 01:53:37 -0500 From: Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: To Richard Douwes: Beware of Buma/Stemra Message-ID: <35C01871.306E@auburn.net>
> From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> > Just curious, since I'm always trading (but have never actually > traded with people from Holland): is Buma/Stemra an official organization?
Buma/Stemra is an official government organization. That, combined with their mission (to eradicate bootlegs), makes them evil to me. If you do trade to Holland, don't send a big package.
> Of course, I'd like to avoid creating problems to my trading friends
It still bothers me that I wasn't able to complete my end of the trade. That is the only time that has happened, and it really bothers me.
/martyr mode off
Mark Peters swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:57:29 EDT From: Calvin6S@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Toneadd9@aol.com Message-ID: <54d0062c.35c0195a@aol.com>
I think it is only fair to inform the jam that today I received what tone add9 had promised to send me.
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 03:00:17 EDT From: Portnoy420@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: King's X & DT Message-ID: <20f20d7e.35c01a02@aol.com>
UK Dave seyz: <<<<< I guess Kings X are bigger than DT, bigger fan base etc... what happens if Platypus does really well and the chance of another offering/tour comes along. Where does that leave DT, I mean - you wouldn't blame JM and DS for being tempted by some bigger money, I know when I was in a band (desperate to make it and never quite achieving it) I would have given a great deal of thought to a better offer. That's not to say that DT aren't getting places but they're not exactly huge.
Not for nuttin' Dave, but I just want to set the record straight..... DT sells AT LEAST 5 times the records King's X does. And I am not just speculating that....I do personally know all 3 KX guys... Mike Portnoy
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:03:04 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: digest ??? Message-ID: <35C09938.7377@fh-niederrhein.de>
Hey, I haven't recieve anything since 4113 ???
=C0rash
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:20:39 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Dali's/Sad Songs Message-ID: <30434A6945ABD1119A3A00A024D1C341E27A06@ms.kallback.com>
The other Trev wrote: But if you read liners, notice that only James and JP appear courtesy of East/West America. My guess...Derek's name isn't on the DT contract. Does that make him anymore than a hired gun (who probably gets a cut)?! Just curious. His solo smokes either way!!
Also it says Matt & Matt (Dali's Dilemma) are MC artists. Does that mean we can expect a DD release soon on MC?
On sad songs: Thanks Arash for mentioning instrumentals. To me, these are the saddest, because you can put in your own sad thoughts/memories as the lyrics and they fit perfectly because they are your own. No song has ever made me cry just by listening to it, but only if I was going through something that related closely to the lyrics like hearing a break-up song right after you break-up or something.
Trevor
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 02:20:06 -0500 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Love Pump/The End Message-ID: <199807300718.AAA12137@odin.ax.com>
> Lick My Lovepump -- Spinal Tap > > Let's not forget, the Spinal Tap song is in D minor... > the key that just makes people weep. HAHAHA!!!! Oh man, I almost forgot about that one! :) And man, yeah, The Doors' THe End always give me the chills, especially after seeing Apocalypse Now.
Dale R. Newberry
"I'm hip about time."
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:39:35 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: AOI/Magellan/Sick fucks Message-ID: <30434A6945ABD1119A3A00A024D1C341E27A07@ms.kallback.com>
> First off, it's hard not to compare the album to LTE given the same > record company, same type of idea. > It sounds more to me like a Magellan album with guest musicians, which, for all intents and purposes, it is, since Trent Gardener wrote all the music and lyrics. It has that distinct Magellan sound. Now can someone please tell me what it is that makes it distinctive? Is it the vocal harmonies, instrumentations, keys and chord progressions or what? I just know there is something in Trent's music that instantly identifies it as such, I just don't know what it is. Same with Spock's Beard.
> You know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking, why don't we use terminally > ill patients as stuntmen in movies. This is a sick, sick, sick, fucking idea.
I like it.
Trevor
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 01:07:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Luttringer <95fa467@dvc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Explorer's Club/Bozzio Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980730005324.10108A-100000@viking.dvc.edu>
> From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
> Eh?? So what do you think of Liquid Tension?? I think Age is much more > cohesive than LTE... > I really like LTE, and I really like AOI too, both have similarities and differences. I do think that as an album AOI is more cohesive, I wasn't slagging the album, just giving my impressions.
> From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> > Subject: Bozzio WHAT?
> What are you TALKING about, LAID BACK?!? On track 1 and 5 he gives what > is among his sickest recorded performance. Go back and listen to the > drums only.... use headphones. The mixing is bad, and you miss a lot of > the toms and the cymbals unless you focus. It's untouchable.
OK, well I am guilty of not having listened to this CD with headphones yet. I've only had the album for a day, not five weeks like some people. ;)
> I can't accept that being called laid back, because I don't know of > another drummer who could write that, and I only know of a handful who I > think would have a prayer at playing it. Jeez... there's a spot where the > high-hat pedal thing is going constantly AND he's playing double bass at > the same time (one leg is moving double speed, back and forth from HH to > Kick) if my ears don't deceive me. I'm not offering this as the "If it's > so laid back, why don't you do better" argument... I'm saying "Try to play > this stuff." I know from the little bit of drums I've banged upon that > this is inhuman.
Well, some of the stuff (a lot) is technically difficult, I will give you that, in a performance standpoint, but I guess I am more interested in drum pyrotechnics ala Mike Portnoy, who is quite a bit flashier in his drum parts. I'm not trying to compare the two, and say one is better than the other, but this was really Bozzio's chance to shine, in the context of a progressive shred-fest, and I feel a little jipped, that's all. All of the above statements were all IMO of course.
Scott (putting on his flame resistant pajamas now, and heading off to bed)
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 03:02:29 -0500 From: Paul fanguy <drumsrus@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: Petrucci Screwups Message-ID: <35C02895.2AF4311E@bellsouth.net>
The reason could also be that he was sick during the tour. I heard that some nights, his neck was really swolen and stuff. After the show in Ft. Worth, he got on the bus and went to sleep while every one else was signing autographs.
Paul http://surf.to/thediezmantrio
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 03:26:14 -0500 From: "Todd O. Klindt, MCSE" <pendragn@netins.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4116 Message-ID: <001301bdbb93$b80a47b0$010aa8c0@camelot.netins.net>
Out of sight and Jackie Brown?
But the two best character-study movies I saw this year were both originally written by Elmore Leonard. Ten points to the jammer who can name them.
tk
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:37:55 +0100 From: RJEN@isma.co.uk To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: Sad Songs Message-ID: <411074BB57ECD0119E090060974B1F842E51CE@email-server.isma.co.uk>
Just thought of another great one :
Goodbye Paradise - Tesla
Of course they have a few other great numbers to choose from.
Cheers,
Rhys
NP : Lead Guitar - Joe Satriani boot
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 05:11:21 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re:Type-O Message-ID: <35C046C9.30BFE57A@isd.net>
Alex Devs0432@aol.com wrote: >Our Mickey fan spoke: >>>P.S. Some Type O Negative came to mind right away, but that fell >>>into the morbid category. I can't imagine why.... :)
>Gee.. >But tell me if this is sick or not: I get so damn HAPPY listening to Type O. >I mean, I got home from a long tiring day at work, and what I wanted to listen >to to get me relaxed, was "Love you to death." I had a huge grin on my face! >Am I really warped or sumfin? Also, Black No. 1 is great first thing in the >morning, with the shades down...I think I scared my roommate at school there >for a while. No argument here. I think "Bloody Kisses" in general, is way cool. It gives my wife the creeps, bigtime.
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 07:15:36 -0400 (EDT) From: ytsejam@iname.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Tittels Message-ID: <199807301115.HAA06567@web06.globecomm.net>
Dream Theater, always thinking new.=20 Thier last live album was called "Live at the Marquee". Now they are doin= g another one. What should they call it? "Live in Paris"?=20 Petrucci: -No, let's think new.=20 Myung: -Well, it's almost an once in the lifetime CD, isn't it? Sherinian: -That's it Once in a lifetime! Portnoy: -No, I know it. Once i a Livetime. It's live, and damn well abou= t time.=20 LaBrie: -Giddy up.=20
I imagne an Greatest hits album in about an album or so be called : Faint= est Hits.=20 Paul Buchman: The not so much greatest hits. - "This is what I'm Singing"
"And you want to be my latex salesman", J. Seinfeld.=20
J=F8rgen Bakken 62 59 50 80=20 91 74 77 98=20 www.angelfire.com/az/jazz4 r+d>s TW 0/0/ FD - 0 DSoT 2 1 <21jul98> PFCode "But don't cut your losses too soon - 'cause you'll only be cutting your throat" 6:00 - Kevin Moore -Awake -1994
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 07:37:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: A Ytse Besides Itself <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Sad Songs? Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980730073533.11917A-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
Here's a few for you:
Genesis: Evidence Of Autumn Tony Banks: Someone Else's Dream Echolyn: Never The Same Genesis: Heathaze Marillion: The Great Escape
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:28:15 GMT From: almar@freemail.nl To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Lemur Voice: new songs Message-ID: <199807301128.LAA20610@freesrv2.freemail.nl>
Hi everyone,
a few months ago I heard some new Lemur Voice material, live!! I have to say that it was darn heavy!! It was taped from a concert in Holland. So let's all hope that their new material will see the light. Marcel, if you read this: Heel veel succes en ik hoop echt dat er een nieuwe CD komt, groetjes, Almar.
Greetings, Almar.
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:57:08 -0300 From: "Renegade" <army@psnet.com.br> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RENEGADE UPDATED! Message-ID: <9807301258.AC00437@psnet.psnet.com.br>
Hi there!
Go for there: http://www.renegade.com.br
At 29/07/98
News updated. Two new interviews added (Alien Sex Fiend, Crack Up).
At 22/07/98
News updated. Three new interviews added (Grave Digger, Pariah, The Chasm). Show reviews for Morbid Angel, Vader and Incantation.
And much more to come soon. Update your bookmarks and check out our links section. Next week our WWW Board will be finally online.
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:57:40 -0400 From: krackley@weidmuller.com Subject: RE: Firehouse Concert Message-ID: <199807301357.JAA00172@mail.weidmuller.com>
Yeah, that's right, I went to a Firehouse concert last night. It was part of the "Rock Never Stops Tour" including Quiet Riot, Slaughter, L.A. Guns and Warrant, but all the bands don't play at the same concerts. The show was great. Brought back alot of memories from the early 90s. This was the setlist:
Overnight Sensation (my favorite off that album) All She Wrote (the classic, still just as good) When I Look Into Your Eyes Love of a Lifetime Lover's Lane - drum solo (basic metal drum solo) Reach for the Sky Hold the Dream (I love this song, sounded great live too) Here for You Acid Rain (new album: played it 3 times, they were filming footage for a video) Don't Walk Away - bluesy guitar solo Hold You Fire Shake and Tumble Get Ready (new album)
It was awesome, the guitarist, Bill Leverty and the drummer, Michael Foster are both from Richmond, VA. They had a great time, got to talk to them after the show and got my Firehouse CD signed. All in all, it was a great trip back to "classic" metal.
Kevin Rackley Official Soul Reason Website http://members.aol.com/rackleyk/
"And I try to burn the world With words I cannot say Don't you wish that I had better things for you I know it's not enough to play The games have all become a myriad Of tears and who's to blame No one's led you to the promised land But you weren't lead astray" - Soul Reason - Stop the Rain
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