YTSEJAM Digest 4115
Today's Topics:
1) Petrucci's Screwups (don't exist, right?)
by MaxArbot@aol.com
2) re: sad songs
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
3) Re: More cents on LTE
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
4) re: sad songs
by "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com>
5) Re: I guess I'm just getting cynical
by Dan McCormack <dmc@dreamt.org>
6) DT fans & musicians in SP Brazil!
by "Gilberto Bressan Junior" <gbressanjr@sti.com.br>
7) Wanted: Dutch DT Bootleg tape/CDR traders
by Richard Douwes <rdouwes@hetnet.nl>
8) Bozzio WHAT?
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
9) re: Petrucci screwups
by hajejan <hajejan@geocities.com>
10) sad songs & stuff
by hajejan <hajejan@geocities.com>
11) Re: best intrumental sad song
by Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
12) Spooky Songs
by "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
13) Derek/Age of Impact
by "trev.monster" <trevin@apexmusic.com>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4113
by "Eric Paulhus" <epaulhus77@hotmail.com>
15) Re: more sad songs...
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
16) Oops!
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
17) Re: The Ever After music etc
by Anna Taylor <ataylor@lane.k12.or.us>
18) Sad Songs
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
19) Fates warning
by "Schnipp" <schnipp@vossnet.com>
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4114
by "Schnipp" <schnipp@vossnet.com>
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:53:42 EDT
From: MaxArbot@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Petrucci's Screwups (don't exist, right?)
Message-ID: <bbfe2a33.35bf3777@aol.com>
Marc van der Wal <bigpapa@dds.nl> writes
<< I don't think it's possible to keep fully concentrated on your playing for
two or three straight hours. >>
Maaaaaan...this is John Petrucci. Geesh.
[eriC]
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/MaxArbot/index.html">THE DRE/\M THE/\TER</A>
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:21:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: sad songs
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980729081938.26438A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Arash Ashouriha wrote:
>
>best sad songs
>
>Instrumental songs :
>
>Oxyegen part 13, Equinoxe part 3, Chronologie part 6, The Last Rendez Vous
>by Jean Michel Jarre
Ooh, good choices... I personally like Equinox 7 (I Think -- the last
track, so it may be 8) and Souviner de Chine first off the Concerts en
Chine albums (2nd disc). That one is tear worthy. ^_^
--Matt
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"..." --James LaBrie, "Hell's Kitchen"
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:30:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: More cents on LTE
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980729082246.26438B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, AnathemA wrote:
> Are you a musician yourself, and if so what kind?
Questioning the poster's musical knowhow...
>Personnaly I'm a Jazz
>musician, and playing "off the cuff" is my job description.
Attempt to impress poster (#1)
>I was not
>impressed by the 30 minutes jam.
Let's finish this sentence: "...and you were impressed, so what does that
say about you compared to me?"
>It was a typical 30 minute jam.
Directly imply poster is impressed with the typical, kind of the way a
counrty "bumkin" would be impressed with indoor plumbing...
>When I
>play with my band, we just sit down and jam for the majority of the time -
>Lasting for HOURS...
"I have a band, and we don't even know if you have an instrument"
Possession impression (attempt to impress #2)
"My jams are longer than yours..." Classic length metaphor here...
(Attempt to impress #3)
>and if you were that impressed with the jam on LTE,
>you'd love my shit.
Let's finish this sentence: "...because I'm waaaay better than LTE because
my jams are longer!"
>It's funny impressed people are with improv'ing
>
Read: It's funny how simple you are.
>BTW: I'm not at ALL bashing any of the players on LTE. They are all
>fucking amazing.
"...but I am better because I can jam for HOURS."
>I just don't like the album.... or portnoys new hair
And here's where you should have started the message. And ended it.
--Matt (fucking sick and tired of this whole jam dick envy shit)
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"..." --James LaBrie, "Hell's Kitchen"
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:38:34 -0700
From: "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: sad songs
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980729083834.00771ec8@lainet.com>
My favorite sad songs...
Acquaintance - Enchant
Ripples - Genesis
Secret World - Peter Gabriel (This is a real heart rencher for me...)
Black - Pearl Jam
Sister Christian - Night Ranger
Ballerina - Styx
Out of This World - Marillion (It really is a sad song for me...)
-sp00L
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:54:48 -0400
From: Dan McCormack <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: I guess I'm just getting cynical
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980729115448.006c2190@mail.clemson.edu>
>'stars', films with no real story line, films that just consist of one =
>special effects 'highlight' after another and which have absolutely =
>bugger all to do=20
>with reality - no realism there either.
that would be comparative to dismissing LTE as crap because it's all
unabashed wanking. Sure, that's what attracts us. Why does everyone have to
remain active-minded all the time? it can be enjoyable to go watch a
mindless movie with tons of special effects, just like it can be fun to
listen to punk. just like people who only listen to songs in which at least
50% of the notes are 32nd or faster and which have to have at least 3 time
signatures. Not everything has to be a masterpiece of both technical and
writing skills.
and before you think i contradicted myself - LTE is a showcase of shred,
which can be parallelled to special effects. simple stuff like punk is
simply catchy. both basically have one aspect which attracts listeners,
isntead of being all-around rocking, like DT. that's how i put them in the
same category. That's my thoughts. Moo.
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:26:25 -0300
From: "Gilberto Bressan Junior" <gbressanjr@sti.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT fans & musicians in SP Brazil!
Message-ID: <004401bdb2bd$2c988cc0$d116d3c8@escritorio>
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Hi people..
I'm looking for DT fans & musicians in Sao Paulo (Brazil)=20
email me at gbressanjr@sti.com.br
( HEY ROGER ! do you know anybody here in SP ?)
GILBERTO gbressanjr@sti.com.br
NP. Symphony X - Twilight in Olympus
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Date: 29 Jul 1998 18:07:56 +0200
From: Richard Douwes <rdouwes@hetnet.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Wanted: Dutch DT Bootleg tape/CDR traders
Message-ID: <02a715507161d78NET014S@>
Is there anybody in the Netherlands that is willing to
tape/ copy to CDR some bootlegs for me? With all this talk
about bootlegs here on the list, I would really like to
listen to some of them, but I don't have any contacts
(yet..). Of course, I'll pay for your efforts.
Please raply by private email. Thank you.
Richard Douwes
rdouwes@hetnet.nl
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:54:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bozzio WHAT?
Message-ID: <199807291654.LAA02410@enteract.com>
What are you TALKING about, LAID BACK?!? On track 1 and 5 he gives what
is among his sickest recorded performance. Go back and listen to the
drums only.... use headphones. The mixing is bad, and you miss a lot of
the toms and the cymbals unless you focus. It's untouchable.
I can't accept that being called laid back, because I don't know of
another drummer who could write that, and I only know of a handful who I
think would have a prayer at playing it. Jeez... there's a spot where the
high-hat pedal thing is going constantly AND he's playing double bass at
the same time (one leg is moving double speed, back and forth from HH to
Kick) if my ears don't deceive me. I'm not offering this as the "If it's
so laid back, why don't you do better" argument... I'm saying "Try to play
this stuff." I know from the little bit of drums I've banged upon that
this is inhuman.
- Chris
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 98 18:58:29 +0200
From: hajejan <hajejan@geocities.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: Petrucci screwups
Message-ID: <199807291658.JAA03589@geocities.com>
>Well, I don't own Stream of Consciousness, but I'm aware of the phenomenon
>you're referring to. It seems that when I'm playing faster and/or more
>rythmically complex stuff, the transition to simpler passages can be quite
>nervewracking, causing me to second guess myself rythmically. It's really
>kind
>of funny when it's not in a live performance context. Anyone agree?
Well.. Kinda.
I play kinda sorta everything, to put it that way.. Guitar, Drums and
Keys.
Especially when drumming in 4/4 kinda boring rock-beat, I get kinda fed
uip of doeing the same all the time, and I might just have to be mighty
concentrated on trying to keep my rythm, and resist the urge to go off in
some crazy and insane fills or solos.
On the other hand, when the rythm guitars and bass kinda fade back, to
let me "do my thing" there are a lot fewer mistakes.
I have to silently admit that I haven't played drums for too long, but
still..
CIAO!
Haje
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 98 18:58:15 +0200
From: hajejan <hajejan@geocities.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: sad songs & stuff
Message-ID: <199807291658.JAA03505@geocities.com>
>I forgot all about that one. "Disintegration" is definately a classic.
>Since we're on this category, Depeche Mode "Violator" is another "best
>of genre".
Well. I am not quite sure where the border of "sad" stuff and
"Depressive" stuff goes, but I would liek to add:
Pantera - Suicide note part 1 (Great Southern Trendkill)
Metallica - Low man's lyric (ReLoad)
Metallica - Mama said (Load)
together with most of the Bush stuf out there, and if you are into THAT
genre, how about Sneaker Pimps' "Becoming X" album?
Oh well.. In any case, jam on, and take care!
Haje jan
NP: Alice in Chains - The Wasp and the Whale
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:43:41 +0200
From: Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: best intrumental sad song
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980729174341.0067df0c@unet.univie.ac.at>
UH!
Never heard of "Crying" from Satch`s 'Extremist'?
Sure the best "sad" instrumental ive ever heard.=20
you can really hear him cry.....
"Where you can speak out loud about your doubts and fears
and what=B4s more noone ever disappears."
(Roger Waters, The Final=
Cut)
DRYHEAT (...in Houston they say that?)
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:43:27 +0100
From: "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Spooky Songs
Message-ID: <01bdbb18$64d17620$LocalHost@elydian>
Interesting one. Now let me think.
Dalis Dilemma - Living In Fear (Listen to Matt Guillory's part in the
passage just before the lyrics start)
DT - TOWHTSTS (In the intro)
James Horner - Aliens Soundtrack
Oregon - Distant Hills (Aren't Ralph Towner's chord voicings just amazing?)
Joe Satriani - Hordes Of Locusts (Kind of)
Many of Arnold Schoenberg's piano pieces (Usually due to the 12 note ideas)
Smashing Pumpkins - Silverfuck (In the mid-sections)
Igor Stravinsky - The Rite Of Spring (Some sections)
Ralph Towner - New Moon
Ralph Towner - Beneath An Evening Sky
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In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality.
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:50:12 -0500 From: "trev.monster" <trevin@apexmusic.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Derek/Age of Impact Message-ID: <000601bdbb19$70bf3e80$95462e9c@trevin>
Madsman and I have had Explorer's Club for 'bout five weeks and...[for the most part] lovin' it!!! But if you read liners, notice that only James and JP appear courtesy of East/West America. My guess...Derek's name isn't on the DT contract. Does that make him anymore than a hired gun (who probably gets a cut)?! Just curious. His solo smokes either way!!
And I agree, Matt Bradley should've got more time!!
Trevin
_________________________________________ "We've made the bed where chaos breeds..."
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:42:38 PDT From: "Eric Paulhus" <epaulhus77@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4113 Message-ID: <19980729184239.9205.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 02:32:31 -0400 >From: advert@netalive.net >To: advert@netalive.net >Subject: How To Create Original Products You Can Market Online >Message-ID: <199807290624.XAA21722@odin.ax.com> > > >Hi,
<blahblahblah much boring advertising deleted>
What the hell was that? Is spam even invading our ytsejam??
Bad enough I'll get that crap outside the jam... sheesh...
Guy even got an EOJ for it.. figures =)
--Eric--
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:46:59 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: more sad songs... Message-ID: <v01510102b1e518b59a20@[194.7.99.4]>
>These are not sad "prog" songs (this may piss a few people off on this >list) but might I add: > > >Ave Maria >Danny Boy > >Those always bring tears to my eyes......... > > > >Coldfire
il silencio the big blue theme
FiveNgroK
CP: King Crimson - Frame By Frame 1981-4
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:49:08 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Oops! Message-ID: <v01510103b1e51eb7036c@[194.7.177.52]>
Ignore that REMOVE thing. Damnit, how did that slip past me?
FiveNgroK
CP: Fates Warning - Parallels
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:22:47 -0700 From: Anna Taylor <ataylor@lane.k12.or.us> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: The Ever After music etc Message-ID: <l03020900b1e52559ee7b@[163.41.62.130]>
Yes, this is my first time posting, but I've been getting the List for two years or so.
Anyway, if you liked Robert Miles' "Fable" song you should pick up his recent album 23am. The songs on it are a lot better than his Dreamland album. All my friends that have heard 23am loved it and I got them hooked on it. So I advise checking it out. Sorry for cluttering the Jam with this, but I just had to post it.
Anna
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:36:49 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Sad Songs Message-ID: <004d01bdbb28$5618e540$4df086cc@korgx3>
Watching TV - Roger Waters I Can't Wait a Lifetime - Asia On My Own, A Little Fall of Rain - Les Miserables They Dance Alone, Sting Wasted Time, Eagles Standing Alone, Tyketto
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:43:01 +0200 From: "Schnipp" <schnipp@vossnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fates warning Message-ID: <01bdbb29$18cd4180$1a8535d4@schnipp>
Hi, I just purchased Age of Impact and the Fates Warning APSOG Live video. Comments later because I got the AU-pair job and got to party. bye schnipp
Gather ye rosebuds while ye may +++ old time is still a flying the same flower that smiles today +++ tomorrow will be dying A change of seasons,DT; poem by Robert Herrick actually the mail address is Schnipp@vossnet.de or Schnipp@bigfoot.com
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:45:59 +0200 From: "Schnipp" <schnipp@vossnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4114 Message-ID: <01bdbb29$82ad7160$1a8535d4@schnipp>
Hi, I forgot NP DT-Lines in the sand REALLY LOUD
schnipp
Gather ye rosebuds while ye may +++ old time is still a flying the same flower that smiles today +++ tomorrow will be dying A change of seasons,DT; poem by Robert Herrick actually the mail address is Schnipp@vossnet.de or Schnipp@bigfoot.com
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