YTSEJAM Digest 4116
Today's Topics:
1) Platypus..
by Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
2) Re: Matt Bradley
by "Pat Reyes" <preyes@elpin.com>
3) Re: Sad Songs
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
4) Unleashed in the Reference Guide
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
5) AOI, FS: Various CDs
by Joseph Kostura <josephk@iag.net>
6) this sad song thread..
by Devs0432@aol.com
7) Re: realism of combat
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
8) Lemur Voice
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
9) Re: realism of combat
by TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
10) Believe sad?/Once In A Livetime
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4114
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
12) Magna Carta's URL ?
by MentalHunk@aol.com
13) Looking for Blues Saraceno discs (NDTC)
by Chris <slim@5150.com>
14) October Project; Movies
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
15) Re: Magna Carta's URL ?
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
16) Re: Spooky Songs
by MentolPyro@aol.com
17) Iced Earth bootlegs
by Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
18) To Richard Douwes: Beware of Buma/Stemra
by Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net>
19) Re: Lemur Voice
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
20) Re: To Richard Douwes: Beware of Buma/Stemra
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:21:37 -0500
From: Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Platypus..
Message-ID: <B1A22B4F087BD111B317006097939160264F67@BHAM-XCHG.immpower.com>
Hi,
Just got round to downloading the Platypus song - and it's
excellent (except that the start just got me singing that Metallica song
off Load...). I have a concern though... I guess Kings X are bigger
than DT, bigger fan base etc... what happens if Platypus does really
well and the chance of another offering/tour comes along. Where does
that leave DT, I mean - you wouldn't blame JM and DS for being tempted
by some bigger money, I know when I was in a band (desperate to make it
and never quite achieving it) I would have given a great deal of thought
to a better offer. That's not to say that DT aren't getting places but
they're not exactly huge.
hmmmm....
Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama).
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:24:43 -0700
From: "Pat Reyes" <preyes@elpin.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Matt Bradley
Message-ID: <010d01bdbb37$568e3e80$0f00a8c0@NEVADA.elpin>
If you wanna hear more of Matt Bradley, then you'll want to buy Dali's
Dilemma "Mainfesto for Futurism" after it's released. He's all over the
place on this CD!
Your friend, Patrick
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:16:00 +0200
From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Sad Songs
Message-ID: <v01510100b1e547c5a791@[194.7.177.52]>
On last night's rather sad episode of the Ytsejam,
KorgX3 shed a tear over:
>Standing Alone, Tyketto
DAMNIT!DAMNIT!DAMNIT!How could I forget that?
One of the few ballads I REALLY like.
Actually, I like the whole album. Pity Danny Vaughn left, though. The first
two albums
were great, but the third really sucked (IMO).
Anyway, one more sad song coming up: Visions by Living Colour
Uh, make that two: I believe in you by Y&T
And one more weird song:
Humans Being by Van Halen (weird vocals!!!)
Also make that two: The Phone-call by Joe Satriani (ditto)
FiveNgroK
CP: Fates Warning - Parallels
NU: Tyketto - Don't Come Easy (LOOOOOOOOONG time no hear !!!)
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:29:29 -0400
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Unleashed in the Reference Guide
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980729222929.007595ac@pop.pipeline.com>
>Vocal Department:
>a. Rob Halford on Judas Priest's 'Unleashed in the East', intro to
>Sinner: "You're in for a surprise, you're in for a shock!"
That would be "The Ripper"
CD of the Day: King Diamond - Them
Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
Detroit Red Wings 1996-97, 1997-98 Stanley Cup Champions
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:40:53 -0700
From: Joseph Kostura <josephk@iag.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: AOI, FS: Various CDs
Message-ID: <35BFCF25.5460@iag.net>
Greetings all!
Picked up my copy of AOI yesterday. After listening to it 4 times
through now, I've got a few brief comments; more will come later.
First off, it's hard not to compare the album to LTE given the same
record company, same type of idea. I like Impact 1 and 3 the best
so far. Bret Douglas on track 1, well isn't my idea of the best
vocalist in the world. I'll agree that James or Matt should've had
this one. But the musical ideas on Impact 1 are well executed. Same
with track 3.
With the rest, here's where I compare it to LTE. The songs on LTE
are just more melodic and flowing to me. That's what comes from
creativity and inspiration. AOI sounds very similar throughout, I
realize they repeat some themes, but LTE has a different "groove" for
each track. So where some are commenting that AOI is more cohesive,
I would argue that cohesive translates (to me) as a little stilted.
Next up: CDs for sale. Please note that prices include shipping in
the continental 48 states, and that the CDs are in excellent condition.
Symphony X-Twilight In Olympus $14
Symphony X-Divine Wings of Tragedy $14
Dream Theater- Hollow Years Single (4 trk German import) $8
Cairo-Cairo $10
Fates Warning-A Pleasant Shade of Gray $10
Tangerine Dream-Optical Race $10
Later,
Joseph
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Floridian by birth...Ytsejammer by choice
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:03:28 EDT
From: Devs0432@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: this sad song thread..
Message-ID: <b638994d.35bfb851@aol.com>
Ed sed:
>Hmm.. okay, I've got some that I don't think I've seen yet..
>Savatage- When the Crowds Are Gone (Live, with Zakk and Jon swapping
lines..)
YES!
>.. fuck.. almost ALL of "Streets"
YESSSS!! Y'know, I was just listening to that
yesterday...wowowowowowow.... how about "this isn't what we meant" off DWD,
or "One Child.." that one sets me going always...
Our Mickey fan spoke:
>P.S. Some Type O Negative came to mind right away, but that fell
>into the morbid category. I can't imagine why.... :)
Gee..
But tell me if this is sick or not: I get so damn HAPPY listening to Type O.
I mean, I got home from a long tiring day at work, and what I wanted to listen
to to get me relaxed, was "Love you to death." I had a huge grin on my face!
Am I really warped or sumfin? Also, Black No. 1 is great first thing in the
morning, with the shades down...I think I scared my roommate at school there
for a while.
Alex
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:13:33 -0400
From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: realism of combat
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980729201333.007a0d40@pop3.afn.org>
>Am I the only one, or is this 'realism of combat' stuff weird? Combat =
>scenes
>would only be realistic if the actors didn't get up again after the take =
>for the
>simple reason that they were fucking dead, or had limbs missing, or were =
>too
>busy trying to stop their intestines falling out of openings that they =
>didn't
>have before the filming started. That, and only that would be realistic.
You know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking, why don't we use terminally
ill patients as stuntmen in movies. Now hear me out. I know you're
thinking, how awful, but would you rather spend your last days in a
hospital bed, watching yourself become weaker and less lucid until you
died in agony, or would you rather be in the Movies?
And think about the special effects!
- "Trust no one. Kill everyone" (Milluminati Psycho).
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:20:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lemur Voice
Message-ID: <19980730002017.4823.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com>
Once again, for anyone who hasn't seen this or is still sitting on the
fence...
Support Lemur Voice and help to get their new material released!
Take a minute and send an e-mail (or snail mail) to the following
addresses and inquire about a new Lemur Voice release. Tell your
friends.
Magna Carta:
Metal Blade Records:
or
Metal Blade Records Inc.
(Main Office)
2828 Cochran St. Suite 302
Simi Valley, CA 93065
Hotline: 805-522-7548
or
Metal Blade Records GMBH
(Europe)
P.O. Box 1332
73054 Eisilngen, Germany
_________________________________________________________
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:39:16 -0400
From: TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: realism of combat
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980729203916.006bc944@mail.clemson.edu>
>You know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking, why don't we use terminally
>ill patients as stuntmen in movies. Now hear me out. I know you're
>thinking, how awful, but would you rather spend your last days in a
>hospital bed, watching yourself become weaker and less lucid until you
>died in agony, or would you rather be in the Movies?
it'd be kind of hard to remember your lines (even "ahhhh!!" can be hard to
do on cue) when you're in terrible pain, i reckon. But yeah, all you have
to do is find a terminally ill patient who happens to look like a movie
star. easy.
*** END OF TRANSMISSION ***
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:43:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Believe sad?/Once In A Livetime
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980729213636.59562B-100000@archa9.cc.uga.edu>
Supwitchall--
I haven't read every single sad song post so forgive me if any of this has
been discussed before. As for Savatage's Believe, I find that song to be
quite positive. Now, it would definitely be up near the top of any "most
*emotional* songs" list, but I find it to be more uplifting than
depressing. I'm sure I could come up with a hella huge list of sad songs,
but the two that come to mind instantly are Metallica's Fade To Black and
Orion. What can be said about Fade to Black? Simply the ultimate sad
song. And Orion makes me think about Cliff :(
As for the upcoming DT live 2CD, I'm more excited than anyone and will be
first in line, no doubt. But, I have to agree with those who've said that
Once in a Livetime is a really weak title. I mean, when I read that I
thought it was some sort of joke. Very very lame, IMO; maybe between now
and October they'll think of a decent title.
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Album Currently Playing: Megadeth--Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?
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Matt Smith "We say revolution...
ktulu@arches.uga.edu With a cast-iron fist"
-Mustaine
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:31:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4114
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980729222820.33948A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Wed, 29 Jul 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>
> I've just got to add Soundgarden's "Zero Chance" and "Tighter & Tighter"
> to the list, plus the best toothache song, "Carry Stress In The Jaw" by
> Mr. Bungle. Vai's "Tender Surrender" and Skid Row's "In A Darkened Room"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Couldn't agree more. I caught Bas's show in L.A. and he just fuckin'
nailed that that song. Great lyrics too. R.I.P. Skid Row.
Richie
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:32:30 EDT
From: MentalHunk@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Magna Carta's URL ?
Message-ID: <1f84e808.35bfdb3f@aol.com>
Hello Everyone....
Could someone please send me Magna Carta's URL ? I seem to have lost it
somewhere....Thanks in Advance.....
less than a month Till DT/ELP/DP in Mn !
Tom
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:44:00 -0500
From: Chris <slim@5150.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Looking for Blues Saraceno discs (NDTC)
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980729224400.009de650@access.mountain.net>
Recently, you folks were listing some of your fav. CD's other than DT to
listen to. Someone had Blues Saraceno on their list. I haven;t heard that
name, or his music for that matter, for a long time and I figure it is time
to get his discs.
I ran into a problem tho. Neither, CDNow, CDConnection, CDUniverse, or
MusicBlvd carry his cd's. CDNow did have some instructional video of his,
but that ain;t what I want. My question is, is there another online shop
that you folks know of that carry Saraceno titles. Thanx for any info you
provide.
Chris R.
slim@5150.com
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:16:53 -0400
From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: October Project; Movies
Message-ID: <19980730031407.PHZ27455@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hello,
>Anyway, someone recently tried to sell me on a band called October
Project.
Picture Annie Lennox's vocals combined with the music of Enya or Pat
Metheny's Secret Story. The songs are typically sedate and mellow and they
are psuedo-new age. I saw them live, but the albums sound electronic in the
instrumentation. I recommend their first CD. Their second is less
interesting, though I've only heard it a couple of times.
As for our friendly Cow God's idea of sitting through two hours of special
effects, I put this to you: how many times can you see New York destroyed
and not get jaded? With ID4, Godzilla, Armageddon, Daylight and other dreck
dominating the screens with repetitive destruction, truly great movies
don't even get a chance in the cineplexes. So far, two of the best movies I
saw this year never made it to the five cineplexes in my area (the flicks
were The Spanish Prisoner and Last Days of Disco, btw). I had to drive an
hour to my "local" art-house just to see them. I decry effects-laden
pictures because of their lack of orignality and the self-importance of
their dialogue. All these movies struggle to have some higher moral purpose
and NEVER succeed in this endeavor.
On the flip side of this, I have to admit that one "effects" movie did
satisfy me this year: Deep Impact. It was about the characters involved,
and not about the asteroid, unlike Armageddon. But the two best
character-study movies I saw this year were both originally written by
Elmore Leonard. Ten points to the jammer who can name them.
The true test of any movie: when you're walking out of the theater, is
your first thought to nitpick on something, anything in the film? If so, it
was not a good film. Though it may have diverted you for two hours, you did
not see a good movie. I found myself walking out of Armageddon angry that I
had spent the time in the theater, even when I hadn't paid for it!
And finally: yes, Braveheart was incredibly historically inaccurate. I'm a
history major specializing in the English Constitutional era; this is the
only place that major is remotely useful, though I won't pretend to be an
expert. BUT, listen to the opening of the movie, for it tells you that what
you are to hear is a LEGEND. The filmmakers were not trying to make a
biography, they were striving for historical fiction. And who gives a shit
how accurate the facts are: its still one of my ten favorites regardless.
Stodgers spent more time in college watching
movies than reading his history books...
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:24:05 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Magna Carta's URL ?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980730002349.15601A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Wed, 29 Jul 1998 MentalHunk@aol.com wrote:
> Could someone please send me Magna Carta's URL ? I seem to have lost it
> somewhere....Thanks in Advance.....
www.magnacarta.net
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:32:53 EDT
From: MentolPyro@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Spooky Songs
Message-ID: <4bc3bc3.35bfe966@aol.com>
<< DT - TOWHTSTS (In the intro) >>
The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun (GREAT one to acronym!!)
i wasn't gonna add to this, but i would like to second this (for the purpose
of having no originality) when the keyboard part comes in at about 1:15,
damn, i love that, and the mood work from myung??? i'm not so good with
determing instruments... but i really love this part, it stirs me up, for lack
of a better term, PLUS the with all the hormones already goin, it is quite the
emotional experience
and since this has no sense of finality thus far, i suppose i should add some
I Am Waiting by Yes off of Talk (i heard some of you didn't like this??)
goddamn, THAT is the epitomy of emotion, also Endless Dream, a nice 15-16
minute song, probably my album favorite
and Van Halen has some moving ones off of VH III, namely:
]From Afar, kinda angry/heavy,
Once, VERY beautiful
Josaphena, who cares if i spelled it wrong, bordering on sad, but great
Year to the Day, possibly my fave off the album , heavy (in the intrumental
sense) sadness
and How Many Say I, rivaling Once for most beautiful song
god i cant take this, (scurries off to room to indulge in aforementioned
songs, and yet somehow manages to type the following:)
Thanks for reading , in case any of you did!
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:37:38 -0500
From: Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
To: Heavy Metal List <metal@inet.it>, Savatage List <savatage@tkl.com>,
Subject: Iced Earth bootlegs
Message-ID: <35BFEA82.41E42C37@ix.netcom.com>
Does anybody know if there are any bootlegs of Iced Earth,
preferably on cd?
Thanks
Justin James
jsj@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:28:53 -0500
From: Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: To Richard Douwes: Beware of Buma/Stemra
Message-ID: <35BFF685.35B5@auburn.net>
> From: Richard Douwes <rdouwes@hetnet.nl>
>
> Is there anybody in the Netherlands that is willing to
> tape/ copy to CDR some bootlegs for me? With all this talk
> about bootlegs here on the list, I would really like to
> listen to some of them, but I don't have any contacts
> (yet..). Of course, I'll pay for your efforts.
Be careful, Richard. I tried to trade with someone in the Netherlands a
month or two ago, and Buma/Stemra opened the package I sent him,
listened to the CD-Rs that were inside, and threatened him with fines
and jail time if he was sent any more bootleg material. We think that it
was because I sent 5 CD-Rs to him, but you can never be sure.
Take care, and be careful,
Mark Peters
swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:48:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Lemur Voice
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980730004654.23947A-100000@tornado.ocis.temple.edu>
> Support Lemur Voice and help to get their new material released!
I have good news from the LV camp.
They are starting to record the follow up to Insights. When,
Where, and How this will be released will be determined very shortly. As
I get the information, i will pass it along.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com
erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 02:05:41 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: To Richard Douwes: Beware of Buma/Stemra
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980730020403.16450A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Big Swifty wrote:
> Be careful, Richard. I tried to trade with someone in the Netherlands a
> month or two ago, and Buma/Stemra opened the package I sent him,
> listened to the CD-Rs that were inside, and threatened him with fines
> and jail time if he was sent any more bootleg material. We think that it
> was because I sent 5 CD-Rs to him, but you can never be sure.
Just curious, since I'm always trading (but have never actually
traded with people from Holland): is Buma/Stemra an official organization?
Of course, I'd like to avoid creating problems to my trading friends...
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
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