YTSEJAM Digest 4105
Today's Topics:
1) ytsejam setting limits on creativity
by Nathan Rood <horizen@bellatlantic.net>
2) engl
by "Schnipp" <schnipp@vossnet.com>
3) Steve Morse Band at Gibson Guitar Festival (LONG winded)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
4) Liquid Tension Emotion (still LONG, but too many smileys)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
5) Re: MI? UK Jammers? Keyboards?
by Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il>
6) REVIEW: Streams of Consciousness...damn!!!
by Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
7) Re: REVIEW: Streams of Consciousness...damn!!!
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
8) Hey Roger and Mike!
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
9) Robert Rivers
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
10) Dr.SK's DT cure for the sick
by "Schnipp" <schnipp@vossnet.com>
11) Deep thoughts on a Sunday evening
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
12) re: Depressing tunes
by "Steven Dob" <brachett@hotmail.com>
13) re: met II clip ! WHATTHE FUCK >:-
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
14) Re: Video Tape Trading Standard - NDTC
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 14:52:55 -0400
From: Nathan Rood <horizen@bellatlantic.net>
To: Screaming in Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ytsejam setting limits on creativity
Message-ID: <35BB7B06.324454DB@bellatlantic.net>
Ok guys,
Here are some things I've thought about during this assault on LTE
(I dunno wether any of this is *absolute* fact though as I wasnt there
of course for any of these).............
-All the old Rush records that were written on the road and recorded in
about a week's time (Alex has said in Guitar World that the 'La Villa
Strangiato' solo was all the same take).
-Thomas Jefferson penned the Declaration of Independance in one sitting
(I know, obviously not the first sitting but still...).
-When Yes entered the studio to record _Close to the Edge_, about all
they had was the guitar riff, Wakeman's solo (which was originally a
guitar solo) and a rough draft of the lyrics. Once in the studio, they
used the write-as-you-go approach, basically writing the whole tune
right there as the reels were spinning. Today, 26 years later, the song
*still* has as much, if not more meaning that when it was initially
recorded.
So what we've got here is CttE, which contains a lasting quality
partially due to its being thrown down in a short amount of time, but
LTE lacking a lasting quality due to the short amount of time in which
it was recorded!? LOL! This whole discussion on LTE has just cracked
me up the past few days, a big rofl! to all you guys. I suppose that
according to all the ytsejammers, a minimum amount of physical time
*must* be spent on a song for it to have a lasting impact. I can just
picture the conversation now, while DT is in the studio recording the
next album........
Kevin Shirley: Ok guys, we're just about done with Met2, that went
surprisingly fast.......
MP: Nono Kev, I read on the ytsejam the other day that we have to spend
a pre-approved amount of time on this tune so that it has enuff
sustaining qualities for them.
Sick, eh!?
Feeling the flamers hit the reply button,
-Nate
-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nathan Rood / handle: Horizen new! email address: \ ICQ: 6170743 mailto:horizen@bellatlantic.net / ===================================================================== "There are two ways to get through life easily; to believe everything, or to believe nothing. Both release the mind from thinking." Earl Hindman ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~------------------------------
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:15:53 +0200 From: "Schnipp" <schnipp@vossnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: engl Message-ID: <01bdb8c9$ceb752e0$LocalHost@schnipp>
Hi, somebody said he'd go for the good but exp. stuff: engl. Engl is a German product, but only few here noticed the quality around here (In Germany). Means that I am trying to sell a whole army of engl stuff but nobody interested. Ain't life a bitch? Besides, does anybody know bad things about Montclair,NJ, apart from the ripper, the war, KKK and what not a joke you might come up with?? Maybe I'll live there for a year.
schnipp NP: Tracy Chapman - New Beginning
Gather ye rosebuds while ye may +++ old time is still a flying the same flower that smiles today +++ tomorrow will be dying A change of seasons,DT; poem by Robert Herrick
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 19:45:58 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Steve Morse Band at Gibson Guitar Festival (LONG winded) Message-ID: <35BB8776.145E@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
The scene is Fort Adams State Park in Newport, RI, right on the water of Newport Harbor. It's around 90F outside making for a crowded day in a resort town such as this.... WOO HOO!!! A perfect day to shred :)
Ok, it turned out to be $32 the day of the show ($15 in advance), plus $6 for parking. Newport is all about money, but Steve Morse is all about shred :), so it didn't matter to me if anything else was worth listening to.
They had least 6 bands each on two different stages over the course of the day, tents set up with clinics, a place to register to win a Shelby Mustang :), places to check out the latest models of Gibson, HMV had a tent set up. We noticed Petrucci coming in at #98, and figured that once you look at the rest of the list, that #100 was the best, and so JP didn't do all that bad. What a joke!! We laughed, didn't buy anything, and proceeded to the porta-potties :)
We had no idea when Steve was going on stage, so we got there early. Turns out he's not going on for 3 hours, so we check out some of the other bands, the clinics, and walk around the Harbor. My buddy Ed was a little disappointed that there was no beer available inside the place. He disappeared on several occasions, we can only surmise to double-check. His pain was only intensified by this woman who was completely faced, and was just so proud that her 9 year old daughter knew how to use a cell phone, as she repeatedly called her on it. Poor Ed :) I pacified him with a Lemonade...
Steve is due up after James Cotton (yeah, there was everything from bluegrass, to blues, to jazz, to latin, Nils Lofgren, Bo Diddley, you name it). The place is getting anxious to rock, even though it took only 15 minutes to set up in between acts. You could hear people screaming "Dixie Dregs" or "Deep Purple" as the shred was imminent. Steve and his knee cap length blonde hair come on stage to an immediate standing ovation. He announces Dave LaRue on Bass and Dave Dicenso on Drums.
WAIT!
Dave Dicenso from the Jon Finn Group? I run to the tent selling summer clothes, purchase a clean pair of shorts and return, all within 90 seconds :) Ok, so far this will be my second time having seen Steve Morse Band and I have not, as yet, seen Van Romaine on drums. Didn't matter, though :)
Dave was out of his tree!! Anyone going to the Hampton Beach DT show on the 4th will get a wonderfull treat as the Jon Finn Group are opening for them. Check out what Dave can do on a small KIT! He came out afterwards to talk with the plebians. Dave rehearsed the gig the night before with the other two! How the heck did he nail this stuff down so well in ONE NIGHT???????????? I guess that's why he's one of the most sought after session players in the NorthEast. DTC: I saw a couple of people turn around and smile when I asked about JFG opening for Dream Theater next week :)
I don't do setlists. They played many favorites including Cruise Control, Dreamland, Foreign Exchange. Steve and Dave LaRue did a Handel influenced tune (the same one they did at the Berklee gig) where they stand side by side and give a live clinic on scales. LaRue is a fucking monster on bass! He's looking for something to rest his left leg on, as he wants to use ensure correct form on the bass. The song should be named shredstahpuntal! Even got the 80 year olds applauding :) Stress Fest stood me on my feet! Great combination of Balls 'N Chunk, Shred, Emotion, and Chops!
For those of you planning on leaving a DT/ELP/DP show after DT finishes, you are a ytsefool! You'll be missing Morse on guitar, in case you didn't know that he's playing with DP. The rest remain misled....
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 20:09:26 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: "Emotionless jam, distant like brothers :)" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Liquid Tension Emotion (still LONG, but too many smileys) Message-ID: <35BB8CF6.3388@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Anathema Marie Alberghetti lightly tosses up an afternoon meal containing this: >Does anyone else agree with the thought that LTE just seems like everyone >is trying to play louder and faster than everyone else. Like a >competition.
Uh, no, that would be the ytsejam mailing list, where everyone thinks it's a competition for whose opinion is louder.
Don't mind if I do :)
Tony administers the punishment: > Maybe you should listen to it again, and again, and again.
Tony, think Clockwork Orange, man. Sit the deviant down and force him to listen to it while watching Hanson videos :) mmmmmmmmmshred bop bop mmmmmmmshred
Anyone who thinks the guitar solo during LTE's "Kindred Spirits" or most of the guitar on "Univsersal Mind" lacks emotion, should have their heads lobotomized, because it was clearly a failed medical experiment leaving it in :) If monkeys can water ski, surely there are other members of the class of non-human primates who could benefit from a transplant :)
Why even bring up the fact that it supposedly lacks enough of the things you declare would be in there when you knew from (at least) the liner notes that it only took a week for them to make the disc? "We would have made it to the show on time, if only we weren't late" :) At 00:37 of UM, JP draws about as much of that wah pedal as he can before the thing caught on fire! Go back and listen to JP at 1:13-1:25 of UM and shut yer trap :) Must he spontaneously combust before you decide he's given enough of himself in terms of emotion?
Listen up, superlative BOYEEEES, I hope they take a mere afternoon to make LTE2, just for you :) Face it, Korg, you're pissed cuz you know that Kurzweil is a vastly superior keyboard to the Casio^H^H^H^H^HKorg. Deal with the fact that you made a serious financial blunder in your purchase, and move on already! No need to insult your parents, the mistake was obviously influenced by environment. :):):):):):)
Come back when you can spontanesouly jam for over 28 minutes and keep from tripping over yourself, let alone stay on key/beat. Till then, sit the fook back down :)
<grunt>....Sunday morning armchair music critics, everwhere I turn :)
NP: A Korg Sampler called "American Standard" (10 emotion points to anyone who gets that one :)
Korg takes a break to replenish lost carbohydrates, then tries his hand at Jazz, (big mistake :): > Anyway, to all the recommendations, I swallowed my pride and bought Dave > Weckl's Rhythm of the Soul album. I, for one, never have clicked with jazz.
No click tracks on that album needed :)
> Ever. However, this whole album has blown me away. It's very intense, and > the musicianship is great. It's still test tube music, but hell, I don't > have a problem with that. :) The musicianship's what i wanted to hear out > of this anyway. it groks. Get it.
Ok, I take all of the above back. The Korg is a cool instrument and you rule. Please put the auto-matic weapons DOWN! :)
Vincenzo: > Brought to you by the American Association of Hair Farmers.
Do you have any literature you could fax me?
Ok, enough, gotta go find something to get pissed at :)
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 23:11:56 +0300 From: Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: MI? UK Jammers? Keyboards? Message-ID: <35BB8D8C.597BCA9B@netvision.net.il>
Tony De Laender wrote: > > Hi all, > > Sorry for the NDTC, but I wouldn't know where else to ask this stuff. > are really a bitch to learn. Anything simpler I can start with?
Try Space Dye-Vest or Wait For Sleep. Surrounded's not too hard either. I, for one, never could learn anything off Awake (and I mean ANYTHING). The keyboards are just different and not so clear. This album has some real diffecult and unusual chord progressions...
About your first topic - It really pisses me that no one can teach you how to play the keys. I mean you learn classical piano or jazz piano, but if you wanna learn how to play a Rhodes, Rock Hammonds, Jazz Hammonds (and those two approaches to playing the Hammond are very different) or just play synths (like lead stuff), you have to buy tons of CDs and listen to them a lot and play along.
Any comments from other keyists?
Cheers,
-- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il> aka Kurush | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 | | | | Keyboard player | computer programmer | high-school attendee | -----------------------------------------------------------------
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Check out the samples of me playing on my page
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:20:59 -0400 From: Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: REVIEW: Streams of Consciousness...damn!!! Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980726172059.0079b100@mail.erinet.com>
Well, now that I'm past my initial first response of being pissed at finally getting it in over 6 months with cracked jewel cases and a crinkled liner page... I put it in the CD player.
DAMN!!!! This CD set is excellent!!!! I haven't noticed any "hiss" as other people have mentioned (other than usual bootleg "hiss")...except for the "demo"-type stuff on the very last 2 tracks of disc 2.
The Nightmare Cinema tracks are GREAT!!! I'm listening to Scarred right now, and I am blown away. God these guys are fuckin' unbelievabler, and this is a great boot. This (Streams of Consciousness) and "Fasten Your Seatbelts" are a great capturing of the FII tour...
later, Dan
+--- ---+ Dan Temmesfeld Galactic Cowboys on the Web dantemm@erinet.com http://www.dlm.net/gc/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "He who laughs last thinks slowest" +--- ---+
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 19:10:46 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: REVIEW: Streams of Consciousness...damn!!! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980726190243.8502A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, Dan Temmesfeld wrote:
> This (Streams of Consciousness) and "Fasten Your Seatbelts" are a great > capturing of the FII tour...
Believe me, if you want a truly excellent bootleg from the FII tour, then try to get your hands on "Ancienne Belgique". The sound quality is so much better than that of SoC and FYS -- not to mention the really professional layout that the bootleg maker put. Not even the slightest click and no hiss throughout the whole bootleg.
The setlist is good also (not as great as the setlist from Tokyo, Jan. 16th, 1998), but the sound is good. And the Tokyo boot is also incredible. "Speak to Me", "You Not Me", "Trial of Tears", "Scarred", Nightmare Cinema and Nicky Lemmons are present in this bootleg.
Also worth noting is the Chicago (11/1/97) bootleg... Incredible energy there...
If you can find them, but them. If not, trade them. :-)
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 18:26:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytse Love-In) Subject: Hey Roger and Mike! Message-ID: <199807262226.SAA23941@optical.mindstorm.com>
Sorry for the personal message, folks...
Rogerio Brito and Mike Burstin, e-mail me. I seem to have misplaced your addresses. -d
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 20:13:41 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: Ytsejam Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Robert Rivers Message-ID: <35BBC635.12613770@caribe.net>
I need his email or if youre reading please email me..
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 02:42:42 +0200 From: "Schnipp" <schnipp@vossnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Dr.SK's DT cure for the sick Message-ID: <01bdb8f7$76a80e40$768535d4@schnipp>
Hi, "If the patient feels dizzy, feels all his joints and has shivers or spasms of cold, he should go to bed immediately. If he can sleep, allright. If he wakes up at night still not feeling better, he should call no Dr. but act according to the following instructions: -increase the temperature of the room he's in -put on a sweater and socks -pull the sheets up to the head This will increase the body temperature. Now the patient has to sing (aka drum, play keys or guitar) through at least 3 Dream Theater songs, which will increase body heat even more, since every fan gets hot on DT. After 15 minutes of sweating the patient should change his T and repeat the actions, but longer (one might want to try at least ACOS) until he is really wet. After that it should be better and the patient should change the T again, eventually the blanket and let himself cool out again. Just remember to keep the kidneys covered. "
Unfortunately one gets very awake by this, so here I am sitting at 2.30 a.m. But I am clear again though and happy that DT once again saved my life.
Does anybody know a country song called "Nothing but a campfire tale"? I saw it once on Oprah (OH, fuck those German kids) and really liked.
How can I make the Winamp skin work??
schnipp
NP: Garth Brooks-She's every woman
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:25:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Deep thoughts on a Sunday evening Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.980726211752.16575B-100000@thunder>
I am probably the only person who thinks this.. but "Lightning Crashes" by Live is a very nice emotional song from the 90s. I don't know how many people actually like "Live", but despite their alternative label, they are a very real band with some great music.
Which leads me to another random thought - man I am gong to miss the music fo the Northeast US... I am 6 hours from the hometown of RUSH, 1 hour from both Live and DT, 8 hours from Phish (YES I admit to liking Phish!), 1 hour from the Machine. Damn. I hope I dont get stuck in bumblef**k where I get to see these bands like once a decade as opposed to 5 times a year!
Of course, right now Ive been listening to "Wake of Magellan" over and over and over and over again. Especially "Morning Sun". Now thats an incredible song!!!
and with the Empty TremorT song.. yeah.. I've noticed a lot of DT in there. But then again.. FII has a lot of other musicians work in there.. I never know what to think. It is the very rare band that invents its OWN music. Most music builds off of other music, putting the different ideas together in ways that actually define a new sound.
What do you guys think about this point? I am always in an internal debate over the validity of using someone else's riff in a song., such as "Tom Sawyer" in New Millenium, Metropolis 1 in the ET song, etc etc.
take care
-Ponte
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 18:31:12 PDT From: "Steven Dob" <brachett@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Depressing tunes Message-ID: <19980727013113.23970.qmail@hotmail.com>
A contiunace of the sick and demented thought . . .
Sad songs are written by everyone, I agree, and yes, some do still have the emotion that whole ALBUMS used to have. My personal favorite . . Black Sabbath's Mob Rules. It has a song for every mood. Personally, this is the pinnacle (sp?) of Emotional music. Leave Alanis at home (or in your trash) leave you grunge-era angst rock in the blender, and give me that kind of emotion. That is what I really mean. I should have clarified. You can all beat me with soggy lasagna noodles later. As far as the KevMo Download goes, let me know where to get it, and I will.
A thousand thanks from the depths of the mushpile I call a brain.
Brachett needs a brain transplant
Steven G. Dob - Wolf in absentia
"Sieze the day and don't you cry Now it's time to say good-bye Even thought I'll be gone I will live on"
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 18:21:09 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: met II clip ! WHATTHE FUCK >:- Message-ID: <199807270121.SAA13137@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Arash Ashouriha thus begged: > >Btw, as far as I'm informed, there is a real clip of Metropolis II somewhere on the net.
No, it's not on the net...
>I can remember, that months ago, I found a message where a guy has talked about it. >He said: " The song has 6 part". >One Heavy prog section. One all acoustic section. One all piano section. >One Met I reprise section and so on ...
Yes.. it has 6 parts... on the DEMO... ask Bogie... ;)
-The Doc
-- "Right from the start I've fallen. Slow motion I try to scream. Nobody hears the muted cries. Dreams are crashing from side to side..." -Living in Fear, Dali's Dilemma. http://progmetal.gmsnet.com ----> drkhoe@gmsnet.com
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 18:23:34 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Video Tape Trading Standard - NDTC Message-ID: <199807270123.SAA13162@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Calvin6S@aol.com thus begged: > >okay - this has to do with the Dream Theater tape trading community, but can >apply to any video tape trades. > >WHY DO PEOPLE INSIST ON MAXELL HGX-GOLD AS THE VIDEO TAPE TRADE STANDARD? I >am 100% positive TDK E-HG is a better (and even cheaper) tape. I will of >course honor any trader's tape preference, but I would suggest that the >community make the move over to TDK E-HG. The fact is Maxell USED to be good, >but they have since cut corners.
This is because people know that TDK's tape formulation tends to wear heads and leave gunk on your tape heads no matter what format it is, DAT, VHS, analog cassette...
Maxells are clean... they don't leave residue all over the place.
-The Doc
-- "Right from the start I've fallen. Slow motion I try to scream. Nobody hears the muted cries. Dreams are crashing from side to side..." -Living in Fear, Dali's Dilemma. http://progmetal.gmsnet.com ----> drkhoe@gmsnet.com
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