YTSEJAM Digest 4106
Today's Topics:
1) AGE OF IMPACT NOW
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
2) Empty Tremor Demo
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
3) Trade?
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
4) Another sad song
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4105
by PhReEkY dEeK <lerxst@wam.umd.edu>
6) LTE/other people's music/depressing songs/falling down
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
7) When all hope is gone... Sad songs say so much...
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
8) Unreleased FII songs
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
9) Indie Labels
by Dark Tower <voice@geleb.wolfenet.com>
10) Live CD/Tremor
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
11) Suggestions for Keyboardists
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
12) CD's For Sale:
by "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
13) ripping off
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
14) Serenity and Dream T. in Europe
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
15) Scientific Experiment
by Bernardo Pulgar <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com>
16) Nobody ever replies to Schnipp's posts
by "Larry" <hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com>
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 18:25:20 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: AGE OF IMPACT NOW
Message-ID: <199807270125.SAA13183@gms.gmsnet.com>
www.liveconcerts.com listening party... the whole thing is online.
They take it off July 28th... get it while you can
-The Doc
-- "Right from the start I've fallen. Slow motion I try to scream. Nobody hears the muted cries. Dreams are crashing from side to side..." -Living in Fear, Dali's Dilemma. http://progmetal.gmsnet.com ----> drkhoe@gmsnet.com------------------------------
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 19:39:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Empty Tremor Demo Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980726193759.9525B-100000@otter.mbay.net>
Yo friends, Has everyone gotten their Empty Tremor demo by now? I only ask because I've been waiting for months and no dice. Oh well, if they sound that much like DT, I've basicly heard them anyway. :) Wellness. Matt B
============================================================================ ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ATTENTION! Guitarist in the Santa Cruz/Monterey area of California seeks innovative, experimental, technical, and fun-loving musicians to create works of art and share them with the public. Enquire if interested. mattb@mbay.net ================================================================================= "With Man gone, will there be hope for Gorilla?... With Gorilla gone, will there be hope for Man?" (Daniel Quin) "A dominatrix to the first degree, she'd rather die than set you free, hook line and sinker is what she wants, a nasty bitch she's no debutante." (Mike Portnoy?, Rising Power, Goddess of Pain and Pleasure)
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 23:12:22 -0400 From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Trade? Message-ID: <19980727030937.NACT5137@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hey all, I'm looking for ayone who might have a copy of Metallica boots called Pile Of Shit or Tearing Your Insides Out. I'd like to arrange a tape trade if possible. I have some material in the vein of DT, Rush, Megadeth, and others or we could arrange something else. Let me know!
Andrew
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 23:13:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Another sad song Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.980726230734.16575F-100000@thunder>
"Black" by Pearl jam (yes here I go with the alternastuff you guys dont like). That song tears me apart EVERY time I listen, especially the live performances. it is close to a perfect song IMHO.
And for short writings? I used to write a lot of poetry, and most of the stuff that i still enjoyed reading after 5 years was the stuff I wrote in 5 minutes! Many times a long thoought out piece can sound contrived or forced. But then again, to make an epic masterpiece you need to establish themes and depth, wo a general outline might be good before hand.. and that requires time to think out. Plus to make sure all the different pieces of music work well together.. that takes even more work. So I guess it can go either way. In my oppinion, though, there aer portions of LTE which are insanely emotional! Some of the most beautiful sections of music I've heard in ercent years are on that CD...which is further proof that you dont need 10 years to write amazing songs.
I should really leave the office... i am beginning to ramble on ...
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 23:20:59 -0400 (EDT) From: PhReEkY dEeK <lerxst@wam.umd.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4105 Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.980726230436.26674B-100000@rac6.wam.umd.edu>
Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il> wrote:
>About your first topic - It really pisses me that no one can teach you >how to play the keys. I mean you learn classical piano or jazz piano, >but if you wanna learn how to play a Rhodes, Rock Hammonds, Jazz >Hammonds (and those two approaches to playing the Hammond are very >different) or just play synths (like lead stuff), you have to buy tons >of CDs and listen to them a lot and play along.
>Any comments from other keyists? one reason may be that these musical styles haven't really been around too long to have created a serious academic approach. people generally seem to approach these more or less the same now as when these instruments came about, i.e. take an established technique (jazz piano) and play it on a rhodes, but in the appropriate context. the early jazz organists, like jimmy smith, were ex-piano players who wanted something louder on stage than an acoustic piano. and a good deal of lead synths are taken from traditional classical arpeggios, progressions, etc. not everything, of course, but it ususally fits well over many chord progressions. besides, the listen and play-along approach is fun. sometimes you pull stuff off you didn't know you could do....
- il
-- Trek|RockShox|Shimano|Continental|Specialized|White Bros. /\/ \ /\ /\ /\/ \/\ \/\/ __o / \/\/ /\ / / / \/ / _'\<,_ / \/ / ..... \ .. (*)/'(*).. .. -- Pakkrat studio site: http://www.ee.umd.edu/~lerxst/pakkrat "serving your synthesis needs"
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 00:03:50 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: LTE/other people's music/depressing songs/falling down Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980727000350.007a1cc0@pop3.afn.org>
Now I think that LTE is sometimes well written, but people are right that in a lot of places it falls cold. It rocks, sure, but the only song that really stands out for me is Osmosis. That song is just gorgeous. All the short songs seem superior to the long songs, though PS and UM are pretty cool.
What I don't get is how everyone likes State of Grace. Is it only me who finds it sort of boring and uncompelling? It's not that I don't like key and guitar stuff, there's a half album by John McLaughlin and a piano player that is incredible. State of Grace just seems ... samey, and too long for the limited ideas found in it.
But it's not all bad. Girl I love said it was pretty. Maybe she'll come around from her Matchbox 20-listening loser ways.
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>What do you guys think about this point? I am always in an internal >debate over the validity of using someone else's riff in a song., such as >"Tom Sawyer" in New Millenium, Metropolis 1 in the ET song, etc etc.
Personally, I think it rocks. Sometimes. Like someone on Usenet pointed out that at about 3:00 in "Big Country" on Left of Cool, Victor Wooten quotes from Jaco's "Continuum." I listen, and shit, he's absolutely right, but it fit so well in the song that I never even noticed it myself. That's where it really rules.
Nowadays people have sampling for all that kind of stuff. I like sampling. Some bands, like Public Enemy, sample themselves. Even cooler.
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You're right, there's not enough depressing music these days. The Cure got happy, Sarah McLachlan got married, Billie Holiday's long gone, Sylvian hasn't released an album in over a decade, the world's going down the tubes, I tell ya. It's this fucking positive attitude, it really has me down. But I guess we can always retreat into the past. Ai, ai, ai, nostalgia.
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Last thing: ABC played Falling Down tonight. One of my anthem movies. They cut it all to hell, but there is this one speech about the point of no return, and the astronauts in Apollo 13 going behind the moon, isolated, and no one knowing what would come out. I can't find it transcribed on the net anywhere. By any chance anyone know?
- "Trust no one. Kill everyone" (Milluminati Psycho). http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:49:22 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: When all hope is gone... Sad songs say so much... Message-ID: <001801bdb919$f2aeb9e0$270d84d0@korgx3>
>"Black" by Pearl jam (yes here I go with the alternastuff you guys dont >like). That song tears me apart EVERY time I listen, especially the live >performances. it is close to a perfect song IMHO.
This was one of the only songs to make me actually weep. (Fuck you, so I WAS a wuss back in '92). Vedder may not have great range, but he can sing well emotionally. I used to relate to the song personally until I actually read the lyrics and deciphered them: an art student falling in love with a nude model. It kind of ruined my moment. Used to make me think of when my cat died. Both about pussy, but only with different definitions.
My favorite sad song of all time, though, is: In My Darkest Hour by Megadeth. Well, maybe it's more angry than sad, but I think it's about the most relative song pertaining to the emotional breakdowns caused by a fractured relationship. Maybe I should just refer to it as a depressing song. I like Alice in Chains "Love, Hate, Love" as well. The songs that say, "Thanks for ruining my life, bitch." kind of relate to me the most. I don't know why.
Then remember Elton John's "Sad Songs?" I think that about sums it up. Except his love songs alway make me cringe when the subject of his song is a "he" or "him." *shivers* I just kind of lose the touching moment from those and press the eject button.
Take off, hosers. Lots of Rush references in last night's MST3K. --KorgX3 "I just need you around to make sure he doesn't slip me the stiff one-eye." --Jack Nicholson, As Good As It Gets
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 05:12:14 +0000 (UTC) From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com> To: The YtseJam mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Unreleased FII songs Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.980727051021.6018B-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
The five unreleased FII songs were: -- Raise the Knife -- Speak to Me -- Where Are You Now? -- The Way it Used to Be -- Cover my Eyes
And, of course, Metropolis part II, which wasn't finished as of the recording for FII. Personally, I think that CME would make a far better radio song than HY. Anyone agree?
-- Bert
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:18:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Dark Tower <voice@geleb.wolfenet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Indie Labels Message-ID: <199807270518.WAA07889@wolfenet.com>
There used to an active set of posters who maintained web sites that reviewed new progressive bands and posted links on their sites, as well as the review and even audio. Are they still around? Or, does anyone know of the more prominent independent labels for progressive rock acts, outside Magna Carta.
Email me privately to avoid cluttering the jam.
Peter
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 01:20:50 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Live CD/Tremor Message-ID: <01BDB930.0FDC3360@75.153.dialin.mxs.nl>
dou asked :
> hey i'm got a question. i heard that dream theater its putting > out a double cd of live shit form their european tour. i'm just > curious when this is suppost to be coming out and what songs > are on it. thanks
Just check out the official site for Mike Portnoy's annoucement which also includes the tracklisting...
I hate to keep plugging UACM on every other digest, but a lotta questions can be answered by one single visit to http://www.dreamtheater.net/
Hope I'm not annoying anyone.
Maybe Skadz should mention UACM at the top of every digest... Or maybe I should start sending people my news page like Dman used to send people the FAQ. :) _____
Arash wrote :
> The sad thing is that, I don't know what the hell ALF has done and > how many emails he has sent through internet. Now everone seems to > thinks, it's DT.
And that's a bad thing ? Everyone on the #Ytsejam IRC channel was downloading that sample and talking about whether or not it was DT... The one thing most agreed on was that the sample kicked ass... DT or not. Great publicity for Empty Tremor... Remind me to add a link to their official site on UACM. ;-)
Mark Bredius _______________________________________________________ Under A Cyber Moon - The Official Dream Theater Website http://www.dreamtheater.net/ E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 05:30:58 +0000 (UTC) From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com> To: The YtseJam mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Suggestions for Keyboardists Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.980727052534.6018D-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
The way that I learned how to play solo and even some rhythm (!) keys is, unfortunately, probably the method that most of you don't want to hear. Namely, I went by trial and error. I took 12 years of piano lessons, and my teacher (bless her soul) did all that she could to bolster my efforts to learn WFS and SDV. From there, I just got some DT tab books, particularly those Japanese things with all the parts transcribed, not just the guitars. Just play from those. Play the keys to Met I, Pull me Under, and Under a Glass Moon. For a different taste, play Surrounded or even The Silent Man. Try of Lifting Shadows, or Voices. Once you learn enough clips, and understand (this is the key part --) WHY AND HOW they work, you can apply the techniques to your own songs. If anyone wants any more detailed information, e-mail me privately and I'll be happy to give it to ya.
--Bert
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:55:40 -0700 From: "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: CD's For Sale: Message-ID: <000c01bdb923$2f778d80$b98c15cf@markphil>
Well Jammers,
SOMEHOW, duplicates of the following CD's found their way into my collection... They're brand new and have not left they're cases, and I just want a little compensation for them (aka, willing to sell for cheap)... So if your interested in any or all of them... give me a ring!!!!
Stratovarius Episode Dream Theater Subconscious Gold Edition Dream Theater Hollow Years Single (US)
Thanks!!
Mark
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:58:16 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ripping off Message-ID: <35BCA398.1579@fh-niederrhein.de>
jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net> wrote :
>>On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, Arash Ashouriha wrote:
>>[...snip...] >>| This bad jocker has ripped of our exclusive Empty Tremor sample from our site, which is >>| online now for about 4-5 days, and use it under a different name !
>kinda like Empty Tremor ripped off DT.
>>| Sure the clip kick ass. Hey it's Empty Tremor and they are the best ;-) But >>| I don't think it sounds like DT at all. Maybe a bit of DT, Savatage (Mozart >>| and Madness), Shadow Gallery and ET's own sound
>anyone with this mp3, listen to the first 15 seconds and tell me how many DT >themes are represented. i'm counting at least 4.
Look budy, I love "Falling Into Infinity" but I have to tell you something. You thing all DT songs are absolutly original and all other bands like Arkhe, Altura or Empty Tremor are ripping them off. That's wrong. Let's take a look at FII songs :
- New Millennium : Well, in the choirs it's 100 % U2 with their song "Even Better Than The Real Thing".
- You Not Me : Bon Jovi total. Desmond Child must die.
- Preuvian Skies : Oh what have we here? The beginning is taken from Metallica. The choirs -> Pink Floyd
- Hollow Years : Sting's "Fragile" and nothing else.
- Burning My Soul : The riff is ripped off from Whith Zombie.
- Hell's Kitchen : A bit of Fates Warning's Parallels.
- Lines In The Sand : Dream Theater.
- Take Away My Pain : Dream Theater.
- Just Let Me Breathe : The riff is ripped off from Steve Vai's "Still My Bleeding Heart".
- Anna Lee : Elton John, Queen, Beatles - Trial Of Trears : The Intro is from Rush's Xedau?*!. "The Wasteland" is sounding like Pink Floyd.
Falling Into Infinity kicks ass and Dream Theater are the best band in the world. But they also use elements from other bands on their songs. My question is : WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT ?
Most of you say Arkhe is a Dream Theater clone. Sure they sound DT'ish but they make a great music and that's it.
Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> wrote :
>and with the Empty TremorT song.. yeah.. I've noticed a lot of DT in >there. But then again.. FII has a lot of other musicians work in there.. I >never know what to think. It is the very rare band that invents its OWN >music. Most music builds off of other music, putting the different ideas >together in ways that actually define a new sound.
ET are 100 % DT fans like we are. Imagin if I would start to write an incredible prog tune, in my head I would always think of Met I and all the other great stuff. I would mix my ideas and the result would always sound a bit Dt'ish.
>What do you guys think about this point? I am always in an internal >debate over the validity of using someone else's riff in a song., such as >"Tom Sawyer" in New Millenium, Metropolis 1 in the ET song, etc etc.
I have no problem with that. Look at most of the neo classical stuff : Yngwie Malmsteen, Royal Hunt or Stratovarius. They are ripping off Mozart, Bach and nobody says something. These guys make great music and that's the important thing.
NP : Treasure Land - Questions (great album, Symphony X & Superior fans will love it)
Arash -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1748/ | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | The Eyes Of Universe - The Official EMPTY TREMOR Fan Club Site | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1794/ | | | | by Arash and Arman Ashouriha email: ashouria@kr.fh-niederrhein.de | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:41:37 +0300 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Serenity and Dream T. in Europe Message-ID: <199807270741.KAA19360@xyz.estcard.ee>
> livinghis life, does anyone know if Serenity was the group opening for DT > when they were in Europe last month?
I attended the gig in Budapest and the opening act was the Rudess Morgenstein Project. It's hardly probable that if a Hungarian band didn't open for them in Budapest, they opened for them somewhere else. :-)
Raitz
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 00:49:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Bernardo Pulgar <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Scientific Experiment Message-ID: <19980727074931.5037.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com>
>I introduced my son to DT when he was 6... <snip> >On his own he has discovered the Spice Girls and much of the other >pop currently out (Matchbox 20, Ben Folds 5, etc.) I don't own ANY >of this stuff!
Yeah, sure! (Cu=E9ntame ahora una de vaqueros!) We know you! You are the one who used to buy the Bee Gees 'Tragedy' and things like that. Seriously, I have 2 brothers and 1 sister that were, when I was 6, about 13 to 16. One of them plays the piano, and by then, was so much into Rick Wakeman and Yes, we had it for breakfast, lunch and dinner! The others played violin and were into Camel, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Genesis, ELP... the list goes on forever. Of course, I got into all that too! They all moved away, but everytime we see each other, they've changed a little bit more! The one who played piano is now into crap such as Madonna! And my sister doesn't even like Journey! She says "Turn that noise down, can't you play some salsa?"
I am tired of hearing ppl saying that I'll stop enjoying this as I grow older. I've heard that since I was 12, but I'm 31 one now. I think ppl stop enjoying this music because they grow lazy in their minds and don't want to keep up with the 'heavy thinking' required to 'process' all the information that one gets when listening to prog.
Arash wrote: >IQ will release a live CD called "Forever Live " later this year. Ehem... IQ released 'Forever Live' a long time ago, but that release came with a video of the same concert. What they're doing now is re-releasing it without the video. There's no difference in the content of the CD's, just the booklet has 2 more pictures of the band in concert.
The guys from IQ have re-released a double CD caclled '7 Stories Into 98', which contains -in CD 1- the original songs that they put in their first recording (tape), which they sold in concerts at the Marquee in London and other venues. The tape was never released as a CD, and they decided to put it out, a request by the fans. But because they never found a 'decent' copy of the tape, the sound was too faulty and thus, felt it would be better to re-record the songs, and that became CD 2.
Also, there will be a Rarities CD to be released in November, I think.
And: >7)Rush's 3CD live album will be released in October. >2CD's will include stuff from the last 2 tours and the 3rd CD will >include live stuff from the "Farwell To The Kings Tour 1978".
This is the best bit of information that I've read in the Jam in a long time! I hope this is true!
Brought to you by the letters BP NP: Eloy 'Metromania'
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 02:01:25 -0600 From: "Larry" <hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Nobody ever replies to Schnipp's posts Message-ID: <004401bdb934$c1e09200$1d99d6ce@amd-k6200>
>From: "Schnipp" <schnipp@vossnet.com> > >somebody said he'd go for the good but exp. stuff: engl. >Engl is a German product, but only few here noticed the quality around here >(In Germany). Means that I am trying to sell a whole army of engl stuff but >nobody interested. >Ain't life a bitch? >Besides, does anybody know bad things about Montclair,NJ, apart from the >ripper, the war, KKK and what not a joke you might come up with?? >Maybe I'll live there for a year. > >schnipp
Hey Schnipp - you always say that nobody replies to your posts, well I'm replying now. Here's my reply -
Exactly what the fuck were you trying to say?
Ytsefart . . . . . . thinks he knows why nobody replies to Schnipp's posts . . .
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