YTSEJAM Digest 4107
Today's Topics:
1) Re: ripping off
by Sbu <sbu@mailbox.ro>
2) LTE, Clinic
by ytsejam@iname.com
3) a reply
by "Schnipp" <schnipp@vossnet.com>
4) Re: ripping off
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4104
by Scott Luttringer <95fa467@dvc.edu>
6) er......
by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
7) Re: CD's For Sale:
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
8) Treasure Land
by Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
9) Cinderella Search
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
10) RE: Portnoy Clinic (Terry Bozzio Clinic)
by krackley@weidmuller.com
11) Whatever...
by Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
12) sad songs....
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@umdnj.edu>
13) Re: ripping off
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
14) Re: Extreme and War
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
15) FII tab book ISBN number
by Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net>
16) Best Sad Songs
by MaxArbot@aol.com
17) Computer gurus
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
18) - Houston Ytsenight 3 - Info
by "Colonel Mustard" <cmustard@vonl.com>
19) RE: When all hope is gone... Sad songs say so much...
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 11:38:02 +0300
From: Sbu <sbu@mailbox.ro>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: ripping off
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980727113802.0079a180@box.mailbox.ro>
On Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:58:16 -0700 Arash Ashouriha wrote :
>
>- Take Away My Pain : Dream Theater.
>
I think that this one sounds like Marillion or maybe like Fish.
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 05:00:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: ytsejam@iname.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LTE, Clinic
Message-ID: <199807270900.FAA11477@web02.globecomm.net>
When people have a week to write and record an album, it won't be all tha=
t good. Having said that!,=20
WOW, how the the hell did LTE do it. I mean, 8 totally "blow-me off-the-w=
all" tracks + 3 min. WAARNING.=20
I asked a friend of what he thought of that tune (he introdused me to DT)=
, and he said it was not all THAT great, but hey, how many can hold up a =
jam for an half an hour without stopping and a teacher.=20
People have to make a living. Mike could've had the clinc out in the wood=
s, but with all the bugs and joggers and FBI-agents trying to dig up/chas=
e dead people, it could be hard.=20
Those who have the free clinics are very nice people, very nice. Those wh=
o charge 5 bucks, need the money.=20
Just for the record, Spice Girls lost geri in Oslo, Norway, not in Helsin=
ki, Suomi(Finland). So it's a scandinavian thing. John Lennon, he went to=
Norway in 1969, that's why he left the Beatles(you see, it wasn't Yoko).
More to come as I get thru the Week-end's postings.=20
J=F8rgen Bakken
62 59 50 80=20
91 74 77 98=20
www.angelfire.com/az/jazz4
r+d>s TW 0/0/ FD - 0 DSoT 2 1 <21jul98> PFCode
"But don't cut your losses too soon -
'cause you'll only be cutting your throat"
6:00 - Kevin Moore -Awake -1994
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 11:33:42 +0200
From: "Schnipp" <schnipp@vossnet.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: a reply
Message-ID: <01bdb941$a4d865e0$LocalHost@schnipp>
>From: "Schnipp" <schnipp@vossnet.com>
>
>somebody said he'd go for the good but exp. stuff: engl.
>Engl is a German product, but only few here noticed the quality around here
>(In Germany). Means that I am trying to sell a whole army of engl stuff but
>nobody interested.
>Ain't life a bitch?
>Besides, does anybody know bad things about Montclair,NJ, apart from the
>ripper, the war, KKK and what not a joke you might come up with??
>Maybe I'll live there for a year.
>
>schnipp
Hey Schnipp - you always say that nobody replies to your posts, well I'm
replying now. Here's my reply -
Exactly what the fuck were you trying to say?
Ytsefart . . .
. . thinks he knows why nobody replies to Schnipp's posts . . .
I meant to say that engl is a good product, but in Germany only few people
know that and that's why it is hard to sell them again.
Also I was curious whether anybody has information of any kind which might
prevent me from going to Montclair,NJ, but - to prevent pointless answers
like the one about better not going to Massachuessets/(SP) - I gave the
senseless answers myself.
I'd like to ask: "Can't I just like LTE without making so much fuzz about
it??
schnipp
Gather ye rosebuds while ye may +++ old time is still a flying
the same flower that smiles today +++ tomorrow will be dying
A change of seasons,DT; poem by Robert Herrick
actually the mail address is Schnipp@vossnet.de
or Schnipp@bigfoot.com
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 02:36:15 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: ripping off
Message-ID: <199807270936.CAA16081@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Sbu thus begged:
>
>On Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:58:16 -0700 Arash Ashouriha wrote :
>>
>>- Take Away My Pain : Dream Theater.
>>
>
>I think that this one sounds like Marillion or maybe like Fish.
I think it sounds like SHIT compared to the DEMO...
-The Doc
-- L I S T EN - http://progmetal.gmsnet.com <> drkhoe@gmsnet.com <> "The musics dying, but it's epitaph will stay... it's not over yet." - Explorer's Club, AGE OF IMPACT, IMPACT 2 - FADING FAST------------------------------
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 03:06:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Luttringer <95fa467@dvc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4104 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980727025817.9757A-100000@viking.dvc.edu>
> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 05:15:00 -0500 > From: AL <al@isd.net> > To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: Hamsters in Ytseland? > Message-ID: <35BB01A4.657BC344@isd.net> > > > I'm curious if any one else on the Jam is a Amateur radio operator? > _ ._ . _ _ . _ _ _ . . N0NWW . _ . . . _ _ . . _ . >
Yeah, I'm a Ham. KD6QPG. I haven't used my liscense in a bout 3 years though.
Scott
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:22:42 +0200 From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: er...... Message-ID: <35BC54F2.B16B3EA6@stones.com>
I think I just made something extremely stupid...pasted the whole jam in reply.
*gulp*...terribly sorry !!!! :(
Matej
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 07:23:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Mark Philpot <griphiam@ccnet.com> Subject: Re: CD's For Sale: Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980727072254.28964A-100000@tornado.ocis.temple.edu>
> Dream Theater Hollow Years Single (US)
is this the 2 track promo or an actual single?
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 23:05:47 +1000 From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Treasure Land Message-ID: <35BC7B2B.34485A80@winshop.com.au>
Arash wrote:
> NP : Treasure Land - Questions (great album, Symphony X & Superior > fans will love it)
I actually mentioned this album before here on the Jam (about 6 months ago) but got no reply in reference to my queries as to any other opinions on it. Maybe I got the album before the majority of you jammers did (fuck, that'd be a first!).
Anyway, my first thoughts on the album were that it was pretty bad, mainly due to the terrible vocals and very mediocre production. Yet after a few listens the awesome potential of this band started to shine through in a big way - these guys totally smoke! especially the guitarist, Jonas Hornquist - this guy is su-fucken-perb, flowing in and out of crunchy, driving, metallic riffs to the smoothest latino licks. Once TL get a bit more exposure, he'll be considered one of the greats for sure. I know sweet fuck all about guitar and therefore never have a great coniseur(sp?) of it, but I was glued to my speakers when this guy was going off - maybe because I wasn't expecting to hear such huge talent when I listened to this disc; maybe because he is *that* good.... either way, I still stand by my opinions that the production and vocals seriously hamper this album, but nevertheless it demonstrates that these guys have got all the right ingredients.
I understand they have a new album out, Gateway, with better production and a new singer, can anyone offer some opinions on this disc. So far I haven't read a bad review about it but I wanna hear some jammers opinions too - you guys are always right :)
Cheerin'
Luke.
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 05:51:39 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'Freaks'" <freaks@ax.com>, "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Cinderella Search Message-ID: <30434A6945ABD1119A3A00A024D1C34170A613@ms.kallback.com>
Has anyone else seen the preview for Drew Barrymoore's new Cinderella movie called Ever After? I ask because they play some kinda cool Celtic-Techno music and I was wondering if anybody know who/what it is. Trevor
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:03:46 -0400 From: krackley@weidmuller.com Subject: RE: Portnoy Clinic (Terry Bozzio Clinic) Message-ID: <199807271403.KAA00143@mail.weidmuller.com>
> Mike A Marshall wrote: > > This suggests to some of us that some places are just trying to earn a > quick buck, while other places realize that Mr. Portnoy's appearance at the > store is great for sales and store recognition on it's own, and don't have to > stick it to the customer (even if it's a small gouge).
I know here in Richmond, VA, when Terry Bozzio came for a clinic, they had to rent out a club in the city to hold the clinic. I guess in order to cover that expense, we were charged $10 for tickets. Later when Carter Beauford came, they held that one in the store, but still charged $5 because they had to clear out almost all their merchandise in order to fit everyone in there. So they kind of had to close shop that day (ie: lose money). Maybe that's why they charge money sometimes. I thought that's what a business is supposed to do - make money.
Just my opinion.
P.S. - both clinics were great, just wish I could catch a Mike Portnoy one.
Kevin Rackley Official Soul Reason Website http://members.aol.com/rackleyk/
"And I try to burn the world With words I cannot say Don't you wish that I had better things for you I know it's not enough to play The games have all become a myriad Of tears and who's to blame No one's led you to the promised land But you weren't lead astray" - Soul Reason - Stop the Rain
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:17:03 -0500 From: Dave Ware <dware@walker.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Whatever... Message-ID: <B1A22B4F087BD111B317006097939160264F60@BHAM-XCHG.immpower.com>
Hey guys,
I've been lurking for ages so I thought I'd let you know I'm not dead.
]From -- Bert >Personally, I think that CME would make a far better radio song than HY. >Anyone agree?
I think Cover My Eyes is such a great song - really under-rated, will we ever get hold of these songs (wayn, rtk etc...). They're all too good to be lost (or is that just me hungering for more DT stuff). The YTSE for Piano was incredible - I know nothing about keyboards/piano (being a drummer), but I can tell that it is phenominal stuff.
I got LTE at the weekend - and it is very impressive - a complete muzo's recording - I need more time to listen to it. I also picked up Talk by Yes - I know alot of people have slagged it - but I love this CD - Trevor rocks and I love the over-production.
Cheers,
Dave (a UK Jammer - now in Alabama).
PS - Arash, calm down, think deep blue ocean - dolphins....
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:47:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@umdnj.edu> To: TheListFromTheDepthsOfHell <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: sad songs.... Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980727104611.18406B-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
Another good song that tugs at my strings is "Brick", by Ben Folds Five. Unfortunately, radio stations have played it into the ground lately......
-Al
===================================================================== b l i n d l a b o r s t h e b l i n d a n d I a m u n w i l l i n g t o u n c o v e r m y e y e s ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu OR sigma982@yahoo.com OR theprof@bigfoot.com HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 98 08:00:31 -0700 From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: ripping off Message-ID: <199807271501.IAA19168@hevanet.com>
Remember when Arash Ashouriha got loose with:
>- Preuvian Skies : Oh what have we here? The beginning is taken from >Metallica. > The choirs -> Pink Floyd
Well, actually, it's the first half that's Pink Floydish (ie: Slow and plodding. Hehe. Sorry, couldn't resist.) and the second half that sounds like Metallica.
> Trial Of Trears : The Intro is from Rush's Xedau?*!. "The Wasteland" is sounding like > Pink Floyd.
*Sigh*. Listen. Stop gripping. Apparently, in the progmetal realm, if a song begins with some atmospherics and temple blocks, you are ripping off Xanadu. Well, not exactly. Give the two a listen. They are *not* the same.
> Falling Into Infinity kicks ass and Dream Theater are the best band in the world. > But they also use elements from other bands on their songs. > My question is : WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT ?
Of course, there's nothing wrong with that. But let's take a look. All the elements of these other bands are present on FII. Sting, Bon Jovi, U2, Pink Floyd, Metallica, White Zombie, Steve Vai. Someone mentioned Marillion. It is not wrong to have influences, obviously, even heavy ones. However, here, we have at least 8 different artists being represented in some way on FII, while the question is different for Empty Tremor or Arkhe. They are being accused of modeling their music after *one* artist, Dream. Theater. I haven't heard either of them, so I'm not accusing, simply clarifying.
Well, that's enough. Andrew
+-------------------------------------------+ Andrew Embler - aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~aembler/ +-------------------------------------------+ Jazz is not dead...it just smells funny. -FZ
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:25:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Extreme and War Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980727082514.17707A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Sat, 25 Jul 1998, Steve Zebrowski wrote:
>Mike Bahr said: > >> Go see it. See it NOW. It's hands down the best movie of the year, >> and is fighting Braveheart in my mind for the title of most realistic >> war movie ever made. Don't miss it. It's INTENSE. > >I'm really not trying to be facetious or anything, but what do you, Mike >Bahr, know about war? Scottish/English Or WWII? :)
Well, he saw both movies...
> >Steve Z >
--Matt
--------------------------------------------------------------------- "..." --James LaBrie, "Hell's Kitchen" ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 07:57:47 -0500 From: Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FII tab book ISBN number Message-ID: <35BC78A6.64F7@auburn.net>
Shane Woolcock <woolcock@camtech.net.au> wrote... > Hi there, > If someone on this mailing list has the FII tab book, would you be able to > look inside the first page and tell me the ISBN number? It would make it a > lot easier for people to order it!! Thanx!
ISBN 0-7692-1826-1
Hope that helped, Mark Peters swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:39:22 EDT From: MaxArbot@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Best Sad Songs Message-ID: <6392b48.35bcad3f@aol.com>
Okay, with all of this depressing music talk, I just had to put my thoughts in. What is the best sad song you can think of? My vote would definitely go for "Space-Dye Vest." I really wish there were more songs like that one. Not that I have any idea what it's about...
[eriC] <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/MaxArbot/index.html">THE DRE/\M THE/\TER</A>
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:54:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Computer gurus Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.980727125247.20563C-100000@thunder>
this is a bit unnerving...
27-July-98 -- CIH Virus hits Win95 and Win98 systems
A new virus has been found that can cause havok with Win95 and Win98 systems. It is called the CIH virus. For technical information see the Datafellows technical announcement at:
http://www.datafellows.com/v-descs/cih.htm
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:22:59 -0500 From: "Colonel Mustard" <cmustard@vonl.com> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>, "Raytheon" <cak6981@omega.uta.edu>, Subject: - Houston Ytsenight 3 - Info Message-ID: <01bdb983$339b1de0$2fef5ed1@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
WHEN: Saturday, August 1st around 7:00 pm WHERE: Hard Rock Cafe WHAT: Hang out with other jammers from around the area, talk about music for hours, consume your body weight in food (provided you can afford it of course) and check out other boots/rarities/bands of interest that you want to bring. We'll find a place to play them later I guess!
ALSO: I'll get there about a half an hour early to try and get us a large table, since it will indeed be a Saturday night. Try and get there for 7pm so we can get an idea of how many are coming this time. Anyone who can provide a place to listen to CD's afterwards would be greatly appreciated. Hope to see you there -
TO FIND ME: If you haven't already come to one of the previous Houston Ytse-hangout-nights, I have brown hair, shaved, with some hair on my chinny-chin-chin. I'll probably be wearing black shorts and a grey t-shirt. When you spot me or a group of people yapping about Dream Theater or something, so what everyone else does: walk up and say 'Is this the Ytsejam?' ... just be sure you get the right folks! :)
- Mark cmustard@vonl.com
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:31:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: When all hope is gone... Sad songs say so much... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.980727131810.20563E-100000@thunder>
Korg offered his wisdom....
>>"Black" by Pearl jam (yes here I go with the alternastuff you guys dont >>like). That song tears me apart EVERY time I listen, especially the >>live performances. it is close to a perfect song IMHO.
>This was one of the only songs to make me actually weep. (Fuck you, so I >WAS a wuss back in '92). Vedder may not have great range, but he can >sing well emotionally. I used to relate to the song personally until I >actually read the lyrics and deciphered them: an art student falling in >love with a nude model. It kind of ruined my moment. Used to make me >think of when my cat died. Both about pussy, but only with different >definitions
DAMMIT! You ruined the song for me!!! Argh!!
but wait...
"Sheets of empty canvas..untouched heaps of clay we laid spread out before me, as her body once did...."
It doesnt have to be an art student lamenting a nude model.. What if you loved someone VERY dearly, and now she is gone.. so you sit around, and you can't keep your mind off of her.. so when you are sitting with clay and canvas, you mold her image because thats all you can think about.
Of course.. if it were about a model, he could have been daydreaming about her when she was in front of the class, and when she left, he is left with the canvas and clay which he has yet to touch because he was daydreaming too much in class..
I REFUSE TO THINK OF THE SONG IN THIS WAY! :)
sigh.
Take Care!
NP: Savatage, "Wake of Magellan" (It's been in CONSTANT rotation for 1 full week now!)
-Ponte
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