YTSEJAM Digest 3949
Today's Topics:
1) Fw: The review of Liquid Tension Experiment
by "Scott/Curt Hansen" <curth@execpc.com>
2) Clockwork the Band, not ClockWork Orange!
by Awake77@aol.com
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3948
by Awake77@aol.com
4) Re: Giraffe Progfest '94 Show
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
5) castellano,
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
6) Re: orchestral recommendations
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
7) Re: another orchestral recommendation
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
8) Re: The State
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
9) Re: Spagnolo. Non e' cosi semplice.
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
10) Alex Scolnick (I forget the real spelling)
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
11) Orchestral music recommendations
by ed_wilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk)
12) Replacement for Geri Halliwell
by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
13) Re:Dream Theater in Australia
by "Nikos@Tama-Greek band" <s9763230@minyos.its.rmit.edu.au>
14) RE: 21 Century Schizoid Man
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
15) A little help
by Calvin6S@aol.com
16) Re: Cause tonight...is the night...when five become four...
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
17) Voices...
by Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3948
by LYNA Michel <lynam@JSP.UMontreal.CA>
19) Re: Orchestral music recommendations
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@umdnj.edu>
20) DC area DT/ELP/DP tour?
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
21) Orchestral music recommendations
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:41:50 -0500
From: "Scott/Curt Hansen" <curth@execpc.com>
To: "Spice Girls/Hanson/Blind Melon mailing list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fw: The review of Liquid Tension Experiment
Message-ID: <199806010540.AAA06184@mailgw02.execpc.com>
Hi all,
Well after reading that "inspiring" review in Guitar World magazine, I
figured I send a response to them (tho I accidentally referred to them just
as Guitar magazine - oh well - not like I'm trying to get brownie points
from them!) Enjoy.
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> Subject: The review of Liquid Tension Experiment
> Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 12:30 AM
>
> Dear Guitar magazine,
>
> I just finished reading over Joe Lalaina's review of Liquid Tension
> Experiment (review along with Explorer's Club) and I must completely
> disagree with Joe's comments. I think Joe needs to keep in mind what
this
> project was all about - a chance for 4 extremely talented musicians to
> stretch out, to just go for it without having to worry about the confines
> of conventional songwriting. Yes, it was a jam session - that's what it
> was intended to be - but with "little inspiration or imagination?" Who
is
> he trying to kid? The majority of the bullshit that is being shoved down
> the public's throat (and that has received some favorable reviews in your
> magazine) doesn't come anywhere near the high quality of LTE.
>
> Especially considering that the majority of the project was written and
> recorded within a week's time, they should be commended for such an
> impressive release instead of suggesting that for any future LTE
releases,
> they "take more than a week out of their lives to do it." Unlike some of
> the new crop of progressive rock and metal bands' releases, the songs in
> LTE flow extremely well and are not "just self-indulgent, solo-mad
forays."
> With reviews like this, I certainly won't be waiting around to read Mr.
> Lalaina's review of Metropolis part II when it's released on Dream
> Theater's next studio album (the track is reportedly over 25 minutes and
is
> the most "prog" song DT ever wrote).
>
> Scott Hansen
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 01:58:46 EDT
From: Awake77@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Clockwork the Band, not ClockWork Orange!
Message-ID: <c6a6c2de.35724317@aol.com>
Why dont they play music from Clockwork, the progband from Pennsylvania, at DT
shows? They rule!
Is DT going to be comming back to the East Coast this year? I know that
theyre doing the ELP thing this summer, but I dont want to drive all the way
to Boston (closest concert near me, I believe-Im in Utica, NY-)to see DT for
only 1 hour. I like the other bands that are playing, but , well you all know
what I mean:)
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 02:22:02 EDT
From: Awake77@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3948
Message-ID: <362ef861.3572488b@aol.com>
>It's no surprise
>that this endeavor was written, rehearsed and recorded during an intense
>one-week period; it sounds more like an overblown jam session, with little
>inspiration or imagination, than a coherent album. If Liquid Tension
>Experiment ever makes another album, they should take more than a week out
>of their lives to do it.
> - Joe Lalaina.
You know, I am an avid guitar player, and I used to really enjoy reading
Guitar World. Its the narrow minded, speak through your ass, "Teen Spirit --
GUITAR AND BASSLINE TRANSCRIBED IN THIS ISSUE!!!" bullshit that made my cancel
my subscription to every guitar magazine I was getting. Especially that
mainstream waste of paper, Guitar World.
I know they have to make money. But do they have to alienate people who
admire finesse and technique as much as 'soul', just because your average 14
year old with his stack of modern rock bullshit and his Kurt Cobain mutated
cheezball fender clonefinds it too much of a bother to take his schlong
slapping hands off his Nintendo 64 controller and devote some time to actually
play his instrument?
I dont mean to rant, Im just venting. I know, the Jam really isnt a place
to vent, and Im aplogizing to any Schlong Slapping 14 year old Nirvana fans
who may be reading this, and to any Jam members who may be irked at the lack
of DT content.
But, fuck Guitar World. If Joe Lalania was writing the review for LTE in
1988, you know damn well that hed be praising it for the fine piece of work
that it is.
Oh, and one more thing. If you took John Petrucci, and transported him
through various stages of human history, hed be recognized as a great musician
in anyone of them. If JP were to meet and play for JS Bach or Nicolo
Paganini, Im sure either one of them would be impressed (although Paganini
might have been jealous:)) BUT, transport Joe Lalania and his "soulful"
modern rock shit, and theyd be strung up and burned at the stake for harracy.
Well, thats all I got to say. Goodnight.
And I still cant find my fucking Calculus homework
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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:29:42 -0800
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Giraffe Progfest '94 Show
Message-ID: <v01540b03b19807d06a26@[205.134.227.147]>
"Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com> wrote:
>This is taken from a video of their performance, an audience recording.
>The quality is very good to excellent.
I was amazed that the lead singer of Giraffe wears make up like Gabriel
does in the early years of Genesis. He sounds pretty good though.
So, this means that the sound quality of this cd is as good as the
Progfest'94 cd? I have both of Progfest'94 cd's and video tapes and they
sound better than the Progfest 95. I'm waiting to see/watch the Progfest'97
cd's and video tapes. It would be the best festival of Progfest.
Regards,
AE
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:46:23 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
To: "Bunch of freaks with no life" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: castellano,
Message-ID: <199806010646.JAA22709@xyz.estcard.ee>
Hello
It's about time somebody posted a two page rant in Spanish and typed
"sorry for my English" at the end. That would add a dollar worth of Dream
Theater content.
Wait a minute, what did I just do?
Something more related: anybody else planning to attend the Dream The
Eater gig in Budapest on June 16? If yes, look for a couple of guys who
look out of place and somewhat Estonian. Don't beat the crap out of them,
though. Buy them a beer instead. They'll be needing it. ;-)
Raitz
"Arnold Schwarzenegger coming soon in a theatre near you. You won't wanna
be there." - various authors
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 01:59:55 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: orchestral recommendations
Message-ID: <199806010658.XAA27168@odin.ax.com>
> Anyone here (because I respect the opinions of those here) want to throw out
> some recommendations? Please include the conductor and orchestra recording
> you would suggest - as well as the composer and the composition name in
> particular.
I would suggest Carl Orff's 'Carmina Burana.' Nice, heavy and dark
in parts. It does have a lot of choral elements in it, but it's one
of my personal favourites. Also, Gustav Holst's 'The Planets'
is good. Oh yeah, 'The Rite of Spring' is damn good, too. In my
infinite idiocy I can't recall the composer of that, though.
Dale R. Newberry
drnewb@spiff.net
"I'm hip about time."
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 02:02:31 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: another orchestral recommendation
Message-ID: <199806010701.AAA27228@odin.ax.com>
Oh yeah, I almost forgot Mussorgsky's "Night on Bald Mountain." You
can usually get some of this kind of stuff relatively cheap, too.
Dale R. Newberry
drnewb@spiff.net
"I'm hip about time."
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 02:05:24 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The State
Message-ID: <199806010704.AAA27267@odin.ax.com>
> Ok im confused here... i wasnt Kids in the hall on HBO?,
Okay, yet another incident of my inherent idiocy. I meant The State,
not KitH. yeah, KitH was on HBO, The State was on MTV. Both
hilarious shows.
Dale R. Newberry
drnewb@spiff.net
"I'm hip about time."
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 02:10:52 -0500
From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Spagnolo. Non e' cosi semplice.
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980601021052.007f0950@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
At 08:22 PM 31/05/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>> From: "Nicolas M. Rincon" <tabo-sabalero@usa.net>
>> Subject: little Kevin...
>>
>> Es muy obvio decir esto, pero cantidad NO significa calidad. Ademas, porque
>> tantos cds??, acaso no encuentras algo que te satisfaga mentalmente???,
>> creo que estas perdido en el mercado apestoso de la musica comercial...
>
>Secondo me, non e' vero. Non ci credo!
>
>Samuel Jackson could probably have replied much better than I just did.
I bet he could, you just replied on itialian, the original post was on
spanish (=
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 01:04:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Alex Scolnick (I forget the real spelling)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980601010342.8138D-100000@otter.mbay.net>
It's official. Alex is moving to NY to go to Jazz school. He's selling a
lot of his gear and heading to play straight jazz and crazy fusiong.
California will miss him and so will my old teacher and the rest of his
students. Wellness.
Matt B
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not the cross; not the sun; not gold; not yin and yang, but the smile...
Because they died, we know we still live. Because a star explodes and a
thousand worlds like ours die, we know this world is. That is the smile,
that what might not be is." (John Fowles, The Magus)
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 06:29:57 -0400
From: ed_wilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Orchestral music recommendations
Message-ID: <19980601.063539.14430.0.ed_wilk@juno.com>
To Calvin6S,
If you don't mind bagpipes, I'd highly, highly suggest you pick
up the Braveheart soundtrack. Easily the best movie soundtrack I've
heard. That is, if you don't mind bagpipes (I really like 'em).
Ed-San
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 20:49:53 +1000
From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Replacement for Geri Halliwell
Message-ID: <35728751.3A373B87@sydney.net>
Ah, it is a most sad day in my poor excuse for a life
when the greatest band in the world The Spice Girls
suffers the tragic loss of the best female singer of
all time Ginger Spice.
I am at a complete loss to why she could do such a thing
all of us fans who worship SG are crying rivers and trying
to come to terms with this most painful happening.
But life most go on.....
Now who shall be worthy enough to fill Gingers (cfm) boots ?
graham
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:23:11 +1100 (EDT)
From: "Nikos@Tama-Greek band" <s9763230@minyos.its.rmit.edu.au>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re:Dream Theater in Australia
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980601221850.11985C-100000@minyos.its.rmit.edu.au>
What's the chance of seing DT in Australia.
Mike had promised us down here that DT will come within the new year.
That was back in 1995. What a great Drum Clinic we witnessed in
Melbourne. Mike was on Fire......................................
P:S WDADU what a great prog album, very Mediterranean sounding, very cool
indeed.
Later
NIKOS
" Do unto others as they have done to you
But what the hell is this world coming to"
(Metallica)
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:04:35 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: 21 Century Schizoid Man
Message-ID: <357298D3.23D3@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
MattyMo wrote:
> >April Wine also covered this song. Not a bad job, either, IMHO.
>
> And so did PFM (live at least), but then they (like ELP) also worked with
> Peter Sinfield.
As well as the Manticore Record Label, if I recall. Damn! There's a
flash from the past. Italian Prog from the 70's :) I have Chocolate
Kings, Cook, and one other on vinyl somewhere.
Speaking of 21st Century Schizoid Man, anyone notice a slight similarity
between the jam around :30 into Paradigm Shift and the jam in the KC
tune?
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:23:48 EDT
From: Calvin6S@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A little help
Message-ID: <cec1a043.35729d55@aol.com>
Okay - I want to pick up some Beethoven I liked on the movie Immortal Beloved
- but I don't know the name of it.
Setting - "new piano" love interest and father hides to spy on a deaf
Beethoven "testing" it out. He plays a very familiar piece that I love - but
I don't know the name of it.
Can anyone tell me the name of the piece and a good recording?
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:30:52 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Cause tonight...is the night...when five become four...
Message-ID: <35729EFC.1152@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Some newbie wrote:
> answer every time I asked it. In recent years I was intrigued to find that
> "Who's your favorite spice girl?" was quickly moving in on "What time is it?"
Chicago had some lyrics to sum it up: "Does anybody really know what
time it is? Does anybody really care?"
> *sigh* if only Dream Theater could evoke such a variety of answers...
You must be new around here, sir? :)
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:39:03 -0500
From: Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Voices...
Message-ID: <B1A22B4F087BD111B317006097939160264F18@BHAM-XCHG.immpower.com>
Hi,
It's a brave man indeed who slates Voices on the Jam. In fact
I'm surprised it's been so quiet - could it be that the Jammers are
allowing people their own opinions...? I thought it was interesting
that the guy listed Erotomania as one of his faves (hmmm...same song I
think). I have to say that it was probably Voices more than any other
song that got me to the stupid DT-Obsessed state that I find myself in
today. Everytime I listen to this song I am emersed and I never want to
leave (scary eh?).
Anyhow, I'm off to see Page and Plant tonight - I'll let you
know what I think tomorrow.
Cheers,
Dave (a UK Jammer - now in Alabama).
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:02:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: LYNA Michel <lynam@JSP.UMontreal.CA>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3948
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980601095735.1288A-100000@epsom.jsp.umontreal.ca>
Hi, I just want to ask you if it's possible for me to do not receive your
mail anymore cause my boyfriend isn't here for summer and It's for him
you send us your mail..
And if there is a way to do it myself just tel me and I'll do it for sure.
Thank you for your attention,
friendly, Melanie
___________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:41:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@umdnj.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Orchestral music recommendations
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980601104052.27205A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Sun, 31 May 1998, Rick Audet wrote:
>
> Calvin asked:
>
> >Anyone here (because I respect the opinions of those here) want to throw
> >out some recommendations? Please include the conductor and orchestra
> recording
> >>you would suggest - as well as the composer and the composition name in
> >>particular.
>
> Vivaldi, "The Four Seasons". Kicks much ass.
>
Gustav Holst, "The Planets". Also kicks buttocks.
-Al
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 10:59:50 -0400
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DC area DT/ELP/DP tour?
Message-ID: <3572C1E6.66F3981D@bdm.com>
I just got back from 10 days in Spain and the Canary Islands. So what
happened
to the DC/MD/VA date for the tour?
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:23:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net> To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Orchestral music recommendations Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980601104527.20007B-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Calvin requested a bit o' advice re: classical compositions.... > Anyone here (because I respect the opinions of those here) want to throw out > some recommendations? Please include the conductor and orchestra recording > you would suggest - as well as the composer and the composition name in > particular.
This is a great thread but a lot of people have been neglecting to include conductor/orchestra recommendations. Just a quick reminder, folks -- there are thousands of classical discs, some fantastic, some suitable only for frisbees or coasters.
Calvin, the first suggestion I've got for you (if you're serious about building a classical collection) is to go out and pick up Bill Parker's book, "Building a Classical Music Library". This dude writes about each composer and what his music is like, and gives recommendations for the best performances and best discs of most of their famous pieces. His judgment comes from 20+ years as a classical music DJ and he is currently buyer of classical music for Best Buy.
Anyway, here's a couple composers/discs you oughta try:
Vivaldi -- "The Four Seasons" (Standage, Pinnock, the English Concert)
Beethoven -- Symphonies 5, 6 (Karajan, Berlin Philharmonic)
Handel -- "Messiah" (Gardiner, English Baroque Soloists) -- "Water Music"/"Music for the Royal Fireworks" (there are hundreds of combinations for these -- each alone, both together, each with other additional stuff added) Good composers include Marriner/Academy-of-St.Martin-in-the-Fields and Pinnock/the English Concert.
Bach -- any of the Brandenburg Concertos (there are 6, usually available on discs that have 1-3 and 4-6). Try Pinnock/English Concert for this one. -- any sampler of the organ music; a great one is the E. Power Biggs disc called "Great Organ Works" (yes, it includes the Toccata and Fugue in D minor)
Grieg -- "Peer Gynt" Suites (Jarvi, Gothemburg Symphony Orchestra)
Wagner -- "The Flying Dutchman"/Der Fliegende Hollander (Dorati, Royal House Orchestra and Chorus) -- Ring of the Nibelung Cycle (pick a highlight disc, the entire Ring Cycle is over 16 discs, as some other people mentioned). You can't go wrong with either Muck or Furtwangler at the helm for any Wagner piece, especially any part of the Ring Cycle.
I have a pile of Handel, Bach and Mozart recommendations but can't remember the performance specifics offhand. Will write more when I get home from work.
Hope this helps!
Ta, Phil
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