YTSEJAM Digest 3596
Today's Topics:
1) re: Shred
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
2) Playing even faster.
by Robin Llauren <llauren@mask.tf.hut.fi>
3) KILLMARY BRINGER OF EVIL
by K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
4) Satriani on Rockline
by Eric Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu>
5) 8-finger Tapping
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
6) More news around the hour
by K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
7) 10 $ for each cd mastered
by David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
8) Shredded Fingers
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
9) Re: No DT?!? Help with mail format.
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
10) BADASS
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
11) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Review_of_the_DT_show_in_Malm=F6=2C_Sweden?=
by "Anders Olsson" <scarred@swipnet.se>
12)
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
13) Re: Shredded Fingers
by Eckie <eckie@asu.edu>
14) Picks
by "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3595
by Angus53 <Angus53@aol.com>
16) To James Colberg
by "CP Parnham" <C.P.Parnham-97@student.lboro.ac.uk>
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 10:15:23 -0500
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Shred
Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19980302101523.289f9b4c@mail.ici.net>
Well, I'm a non-guitar player, but I must admit - I'm enjoying this thread.
I must need a nap or something.
> Anyhoo, the speed of a player
>is no good if the passage just sucks Hanson through a straw. My point?
>I dunno. But I do know that I feel a TON more emotion out of Satriani's
>solos than I do with Micheal Romeo's.
My impression has always been (in an abstract sense): There is a minimum
time period in music during which emotion can be imparted to a note. I
don't know exactly what the duration is, but if you put more than one note
into that duration, then you are essentially "splitting" the emotional
impact over the multiple notes, and dulling their impact. Watch guitarists
live sometime. Generally, when they are shredding, they are looking at the
guitar or looking at the audience, but generally, they don't look like
they're "feeling" the music, just playing it. But watch that same player
when he gets to the legato passage in that shred solo, and you'll see
emotion begin to ooze out. (I know it's a generalization, but it's been
true for almost every band I've seen).
I first heard Yngwie when the song "Rising Force" was played on a local
metal show. At the time, I was blown away. I had (at that time) *never*
heard anyone play guitar like that - not that fast, anyway. I was so
impressed, I bought the tape. I recently put that tape in for the first
time in a few years, and it didn't sound the same somehow. I don't know if
it's because my musical tastes have changed, or because I've been exposed
to so much more good music lately, or some combination of factors. But
frankly, I've never heard much "emotion" in YM's solos, and I think it's
because of the time efeect I mentioned above.
_____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________
E-mail: (psull)-(at)-(ici)-(dot)-(net)
IRC: DDictator
WWW: http://www.just-like.nu/
NP: Removed because Jon Kretchmer said so.
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:28:52 +0200 (EET)
From: Robin Llauren <llauren@mask.tf.hut.fi>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Playing even faster.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980302182357.14385B-100000@mask.tf.hut.fi>
Is it just me, or is this `the faster guitarrist, the better=B4-discussion
really out of the line? Well, what do i know, i've only been subscribed
to this list five days, and already i've seen so much Yngwie-bashing --
hang on, here i go!
Anyway, a few years back on a music high-school concert (Sibelius-lukio
for all Finnish y'jammers), there were these two humourist guys who just
wanted to put an end to the discussion on who was the fastest guitarrist.=
=20
They played a rememberable solo (well, duo) with two guitars and picks
attatched to Braun D3 electric toothbrushes.=20
Now *that* was fast (screw Yngwie ;)
=09-llauren
_/Robin.Lauren@hut.fi\__________ | " AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
|gsm: +358-(0)50-5528736 | | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
|Myself: www.tf.hut.fi/~llauren | | AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHMEN! "
|Nados: www.tf.hut.fi/Nados/ | | =09-- Marillion (Forgotten Sons)
|________________________________| |=20
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:51:09 -0500 (EST)
From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: KILLMARY BRINGER OF EVIL
Message-ID: <199803021651.LAA12720@camel8.mindspring.com>
Yo All.
This might be old news for some people here, but to me it was very NEW news.
Here in Tampa we had the annual Guitar show this weekend. Though it wasn't
as filled with top names as previous years (I've only been here for over a
year so I only saw last year's, and this one was small compared to that). We
had Vernom Reid, Gary Hoey and Frank Gambale, plus Dave LaRue and Billy
Sheehan among factory clinicians, so it still was pretty cool.
But the most important news follow now.
During Billy Sheehan's clinic, he mentioned that he just finished a
recording with Terry Bozzio and "some members of Dream Theater". I asked him
later on for more details, and what I got from him is that he was in the
studio by himself cutting the bass tracks, so he doesn't exactly know who
the DT members are. I asked, is it John Petrucci and Derek Sherinian? He
said he doesn't know. That tells us a bit about how those projects come
about, but it is still very cool to know what there's more stuff coming
ahead... and I didn't even get my LTE yet...
Other news for Sheehan fans: he also finished the 2nd Niacin CD, which will
have a song and a special guest participation by the master of jazz himself,
Chick Corea. Raaaaahhh this year is gonna rock :-)
Later all.
This presentation has been brought to you by KillMary, who reminds you to
kill Mary and get the Priest as well.
Christian.
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:55:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Satriani on Rockline
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.95.980302115342.-507017A-100000@edesobe.resnet.emory.edu>
For those jammers in Atlanta, what station is Rockline usually on, if at
all? Satriani is on tonight. I have only
live here seven months and have yet to turn on the radio, so I have no
clue. Any info would be much appreciated. Take the time.
-Eric
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:05:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: 8-finger Tapping
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980302090151.30076A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
To all you guys who know how,
I've got absolutely no experience with the technique, though I'm
quite advanced in alternate picking and sweeping. I'd like to start out
with easy stuff and work up to the crazy shit. Who should I start with if
I wanted to learn some 8-finger stuff? Do me a favor and CC me a message
at mattb@mbay.net if you respond to the jam. Tacek, since we'ver heard
about your two-handed talent, I'm expecting stuff from you. Be well.
Matt B
P.S. I think my biggest technical problem is tensing up my left hand too
much. My right is fine. Perhaps if we all masterbate with alternate
hands, we'll solve all the problems we have. Practice! Practice!
Practice! Yet another reason why all our significant others will hate our
axes!
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innovative, experimental, technical, and fun-loving musicians to
create works of art and share them with the public. Enquire if
interested.
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"That is the truth. Not the hammer and sickle; not the stars and stripes;
not the cross; not the sun; not gold; not yin and yang, but the smile...
Because they died, we know we still live. Because a star explodes and a
thousand worlds like ours die, we know this world is. That is the smile,
that what might not be is." (John Fowles, The Magus)
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:06:11 -0500 (EST)
From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: More news around the hour
Message-ID: <199803021706.MAA22202@camel8.mindspring.com>
Oh yeah, I got more news.
Concept has split up. Bummer. I love the band, I thought Flow was a kickass
CD, the other CDs were cool as hell too. Good songwriters. Singer Khan is
here in Tampa now working with "troll-rock band" (I won't say who said that,
you guys wouldn't believe it) Kamelot. Yup. Khan's Kamelot new singer - if
you don't believe me go to www.kamelot.com. I'll keep my comments on that to
my closer friends. >:)
Finally, Gordian Knot should start recording in April. For those who don't
know, it's Sean Malone's second solo album that now has a band name,
featuring Sean Reinert, Trey Gunn (King Crimson), Ron Jarzombek (Watchtower)
and special guests John Myung (what's his band again?) and Frank Snelwar
(Ever), among possible others...
As for Sean's other project Ever, it is on a hiatus and will stay that way
until Gordian Knot comes out...
This news broadcast has been brought you by KillMary, who reminds you that
Ptacek is NOT spelled D-i-n-o- -K-h-o-e, and is NOT pronounced "Ing-Vay".
Christian.
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 18:21:33 +0100
From: David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 10 $ for each cd mastered
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980302182133.009461b0@pronet.it>
I have almost 500 cd.......and I buy about 10 cd at week...........
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:45:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
To: Under a Glass Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Shredded Fingers
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980302115059.5022C-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Chris P. remarked:
> Fair enough... when i say reasonably fast, I mean slower than
> Gilbert, but fast enough to play the majority of what you want to get
> across. A lot of it depends on the terminal speed that the player
> WANTS to reach.
Terminal speed? Hmm....
[Cut to interior scene. Three guitarists are sitting in a circle with
their axes handy. A stereo sits nearby.]
Shred Freak 1: Hey, check this out, this guy's fast. (Plays Jennifer
Batten CD with "Whammy Damage" on it).
Shred Freak 3: Dude, that's a girl. You think a *girl's* fast?
Hahahahahaha!
SF 1: Shut up! *smack* Chops, man! She can play! Listen to that speed!
Listen to the octodigital tapping!
Shred Freak 2: Get a life. *This* guy can really shred....(Plays Symphony
X's "Divine Wings of Tragedy").
SF 1: Dude! Sweep picking! High-speed harmonics! Pure shred, man!
SF 3: Yeah, whatever. Check out *this* guy -- try and play along with
this. (Plays MICHAEL.ANGELO 's solo CD).
SF 2: Whoa! Blurred fingers! Melting picks! Screaming strings! We have
reached "Shredvana!"
SF 1: We can do that! (Starts some high-speed flurries on his axe).
SF 3: Yeah! (Begins a chromatic run at 200 BPM, sweep-picking like a
demon).
SF 2: You think *that's* fast? Ha! I am the Speed King! (Starts a blurring
alternate picked run, fingers dancing over the strings effortlessly. The
other two axeslingers struggle to keep up with him, striking sour notes
and muffing position changes).
SF 1: Must....keep.....control! Fingers....not responding!!!
SF 3: Aahhh! Have to.....keep up.....I....am superior....
SF 2: Hah! You pansies! (Shifts into overdrive and his fingers disappear
completely, the strings appearing to move by themselves).
SF 3: No! Losing.....cohesion! Muscles.....overloading!
SF 1: Brain....melting! Reaching.....terminal speed!!!
(Smoke begins rising from the fretboards. The picks clenched frantically
in the hands of Shred Freak 1 and 3 are beginning to chip and fragment.
Both of them are straining, teeth clenched, sweat standing out on their
foreheads).
SF 2: Terminal velocity, up ahead! (Begins laughing demonically as the
speed of the notes shrieking from his axe zooms upward yet another notch).
SF 3, 1: Aaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!! (Their fretboard hands, spasming madly,
suddenly lock up completely. Picks snap in two, strings part with horrid
shrieking sounds, and they both fly backward as their guitars explode).
The second guitarist sneers, ending his shredfest with a blinding
ten-finger-and-teeth chromatic tapped run, then pulls off a mask,
revealing himself to be Joe Stump.
Stump: Young fools. Only now, at the end, do they understand. (He
stretches out a hand and rips off a flesh-colored glove. Circuitry
sparkles on the surface of his totally mechanical fingers. He grins, and
begins to laugh again).
[Fade to black.]
Terminal speed. Dig it. :)
I may only be a mediocre guitarist, but I gotta say I'm getting a huge
kick out of these guitar threads. Let's get the keyboardists out there
into this too -- what've you folk got to say?
Ta,
Phil
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Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
Currently playing: Tesla -- "The Great Radio Controversy"
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 13:00:24 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: No DT?!? Help with mail format.
Message-ID: <199803021800.NAA06402@stimpy.cs.wm.edu>
> Mail help:
> Now, if any kind soul out there would help me with how my posts
> look, I'd appreciate it. I'm sending it using Netscape Communicator.
> Last time I saw one of my posts, it came out all weird looking. Any
> tips?
Yeah. Get a real mail client. :) (I recommend emacs or elm, but that's just
me.)
What? You can't run emacs on your computer? Gak! You're using the wrong
operating system! Go get linux now! (www.linux.org)
"Friends don't let friends use DOS." -Pat Griffin
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:06:54 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
To: The YtseJam mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: BADASS
Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.980302180511.3095C-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
I was thinking (that's a first), we should set up a monthly meeting,
sort of like Alcoholics Anonymous, only make it Beginning Alcoholics
Developing Anti Social Symptoms. We could call it BADASS. Any takers?
:)
-- Bert
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:25:33 +0100
From: "Anders Olsson" <scarred@swipnet.se>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Review_of_the_DT_show_in_Malm=F6=2C_Sweden?=
Message-ID: <199803021833.TAA07607@mb05.swip.net>
Hey there!
I'll try not to mention any guitarists, especially not Yngwie, so I can get
away with no flames :-)
I noticed my good friend, Simon, already did a review so I'll try to make
it short :-)
I also got a bit late to the show, since I watched Simon play with his
band, and missed like 10-15 minutes of the Vanden Plas show. I believe DT
got on stage about 9.45, and they started off with A Crack In The Mirror
into Take The Time. I was expecting the show to start with Lines, as almost
all their other shows have done. Anyways, it was cool to hear such a
classic DT tune :-)
Then Myung picked up the Stick (I got a kick out of that ;-), and they
played NM. I was freaking out since it's my 2nd fave off of FII. Then
directly into my 2nd fave song off Awake, Voices. They also did Lie, PS,
AL, HY, YJ, ToT (the highlight for me) and PMU. I think that was it... They
ended the show with playing parts of Met, LtL and The Crimson Sunset all
mixed into one song. Very nice.
The coolest thing was that I and some friends got to meet the bandmembers
(except Petrucci, noone knows how the hell he got out of the building ;-)
outside after the show. It was a dream come true to talk to them, and all
of them acted very friendly and signed everything. Mike even noticed I was
wearing the Ytsejam T-shirt. He still reads the jam, and he told me to send
greetings and do a review. :-)
All in all, a great show!
Anders Olsson
scarred@dreamt.org
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:52:52 -0400
From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <v01540b00b120a090c333@[128.197.9.64]>
>by the way...is there anybody out there besides me who does NOT play an
>ibanez guitar?
>I have a Jackson PS4, a Yamaha RGX121D and a '69 Fender Mustang, for the
>record...
Since you didn't add "except that bastard Jeff Falk" to the
question, I'll answer.
I don't play an Ibanez. I've got a Richie Sambora signature model
Strat (yes, I'm a real nerd). I also have an Epiphone acoustic and a
neglected Squier Strat.
If that doesn't convince you, look at what I might have in a
ten-disc changer right now:
The Beach Boys: _The Pet Sounds Sessions_ bonus disc (_Pet Sounds_ original
mono
mix digitally remastered)
Phantom Blue: _Caught Live_
Billy Joel: _Songs in the Attic_
Megadeth: _Cryptic Writings_
U2: _Rattle and Hum_
Yes: _Going for the One_
Genesis: _Duke_
Bruce Springsteen: _Born to Run_
Queen: _Jazz_
John McLaughlin: _Electric Guitarist_
Jeff Falk
jefffalk@bu.edu
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 11:52:23 -0700
From: Eckie <eckie@asu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Shredded Fingers
Message-ID: <34FAFFE7.2DE7F9A9@imap1.asu.edu>
Hahahaha! :^)
Kinda makes ya wonder what would've happened if Darth Vader 'n Luke
Skywalker picked up guitars instead of light sabers and chopped heads
instead of their hands....
"Why do you have to call me Shred Freak number 2? It sounds so
impersonal! Call me the Second Shred Freak, or something."
My philosophy on developing speed? Scales and metronomes. Whips and
chains. And lots of Josta. Watching the Petrucci video over and over
helps too. Oh, btw...does anybody recommend any other "instructional"
videos? Petrucci's has been, of the few I've seen/own, by far the best
for any guitarist lookin' to improve his/her/its chops.
Oh yeah, and HAVE FUN GOD DAMMIT!
~Eckie couldn't teach a guitar class to save his own mortgage
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:27:29 -0000
From: "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Picks
Message-ID: <01bd4611$3d5968e0$17e92ac2@elydian>
To continue with the 'annoying to keyboardists and drummers' guitar thred,
just a question about Dunlop Jazz IIIs. Are they metal or plastic, and if
they're plastic, how thick are they, and how much give is there?
This is just because I live in England, and anything that isn't used by
those Oasis twats, you can't get a hold of.
I currently use a stainless steel Dunlop Teckpick, which obviously has no
give, and does me fine (ie. It doesn't give me missed notes when I'm over
200 bpm).
Just wondering anyway, thanks in advance.
And an addition to the economy picking thread: I've always played linear
runs with alternate picking. Any sweeping is done when I'm actually sweep
picking. Yeah, okay, it does take a while for that speed to increase, and
that 'running round the car to shut the door' thing to pull tight, but you
never lose it once you get it, as long as you practice. But then, if your
economy picking sounds as good as the next guy's alternate picking, why
change?
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:32:43 EST From: Angus53 <Angus53@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3595 Message-ID: <83a9a3a9.34fb095d@aol.com>
I don't think it is possible to list the ten albums that would be in our CD players if there was no DT. After thinking about it a little more, I came to some bigtime conclusions. If there was no DT, life as we know it, would cease to exist. If there was no DT, then the bands that influenced DT must not have existed either. Cause if they did, DT would have been influenced and therefore created. For all we know, this DTless world (mad and insane as it might be) might not even have CDs. They could still be stuck listening to 8-track. And we all know that you can't listen to DT on 8-track. I think that I have finally lost my fuckin mind!
My brain is fried, I need some shade! later
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:39:30 +0000 From: "CP Parnham" <C.P.Parnham-97@student.lboro.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: To James Colberg Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980302193930.00915cb0@student-mailin.lboro.ac.uk>
Hello everyone, and in particular, James, I agree totally with your letter to "eMpTyV" and I remember a time (My pale virgin mind..watched the crimson sunrise....(Sorry, that happens sometimes..)) when I chatted to some Americans and I said "Ha! We still have Headbangers Ball here in the UK and you don't!!!" and they said "It was great until they put Into The Pit on it!" then they shut it down completely. Anyway, the same eventually happened to Headbanger's Ball over here too and now there's MTV UK and MTV Europe as two separate things, and they NEVER play anything good (let alone DT!!!) on H'sB replacement show "SuperRock" because it's a load of bollocks. I envy the Europeans (Aren't I European living in England???) if they have Headbanger's Ball and MTV UK doesn't.... Some statistics: I know long-hair isn't necessarily a sure sign of a Rock fan but out of 120 first year Design students I'm the ONLY male with long hair! Can you believe that!!!!!????? Also, out of 160 students living in the accommodation where I live there's only TWO others who long hair. What has the world come to??? Chris "Insania" Parnham ICQ#: 5714076
_________________________________________________________________________ Please check out my local Rock band STORMWATCH at <http://www.vinyltap.co.uk/storm.html> They're gonna be BIG!!!
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