YTSEJAM Digest 3597
Today's Topics:
1) Guitars
by "Simon Mitternacht" <rel96dim@student2.lu.se>
2) re : Savatage
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
3) Metal Tour!
by YtseJim <YtseJim@DreamT.org>
4) sorry state of record stores
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
5) Lessons vs. No Lessons
by Shawn Carroll <carrolls@psi.com>
6) Fates Warning-Inside Out
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
7) Re: Picks
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
8) Because I say so, that's why!
by Emporer of Earth <skooc@earthlink.net>
9) Re: 10 $ for each cd mastered
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
10) Sega and JP?
by Craig Maloney <craig@ic.net>
11) look look a subject
by "Matt Halloran" <imemnok@hurricane.gnt.net>
12) Just say NO ! (to medleys)
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
13) Re: Picking
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
14) dunlop jazz III's
by Chris Bowsman <cbowsma@pop3.utoledo.edu>
15) Where to find LTE?
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3596
by "Matt Halloran" <imemnok@hurricane.gnt.net>
17) a curious coincidence for all you shreadheads
by Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
18) Too many notes
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:51:35 +0100
From: "Simon Mitternacht" <rel96dim@student2.lu.se>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Guitars
Message-ID: <9803021944.AA29414@nomina.lu.se>
>by the way...is there anybody out there besides me who
>does NOT play an ibanez guitar?
I don't, I play a Charvel guitar, I bought it used so I don't know the
exact model, but it's black (what else) and has one active humbucker and
two passive singlecoils... And, as I mentioned in my JP clinic review, it's
signed by John Petrucci :=)
Sorry for wasting bandwidth...
Simon Mitternacht
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/1233/
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 21:09:22 -0800
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re : Savatage
Message-ID: <34FB9082.5647@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
Savatage have recorded thei concert in Cologne(Koeln)/Germany and will
release this concert as live album and video later this year.
I've got this informnation from an intreview with Jon.
In think the album will be released world wide, simce Jon didn't say anthing
about Europe or Japan.
NP : Empty Tremor - 1995 Demo (Apocolokyntosys 1st demo session)
Arash
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:11:32 -0500
From: YtseJim <YtseJim@DreamT.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Metal Tour!
Message-ID: <34FB1273.76FAD74@DreamT.org>
I just heard on the radio of a pretty cool tour this summer....
Iron Maiden / Dio / WASP / Yngwie Malmsteen
It is supposed to be a huge show, going back to the old days.
It's gonna be interesting to say the least.
~YtseJim
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:20:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: sorry state of record stores
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980302151429.2177D-100000@bdmserver>
I went into Best Buy yesterday. That place has turned into a complete
dump. cd's were all out of order and all over the place. They had no cds
that I wanted (surprise surprise). So I went over to Borders which was
next door. They had a cd I wanted but I'm not paying 16.99 for a new cd.
It is sad to say but I forsee the demise of the record store and the rise
of the online cd store. Why is i that only new "popular" cds are onsale
anymore while new "unpopular" cds are not?
NP:Royal Hunt-Paradox (bought online)
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:28:02 -0500
From: Shawn Carroll <carrolls@psi.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lessons vs. No Lessons
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980302152801.0096a5f0@p3.herndon.psi.com>
Great stuff on the guitar threads...
I picked up an older Charvel about 4 or five months ago and I have been
teaching myself how to play power chords, but I am getting sick of myself
sounding like crap.
Can all the axe meisters state opinions on whether they took lessons, or
just taught themselves and stuck with it?
I have the Petrucci vid, but that stuff just makes me not want to play
anymore, as I can't even comprehend how he is doing what he's doing. Thanks,
Shawn
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:32:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fates Warning-Inside Out
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980302153130.2177E-100000@bdmserver>
I was looking around cdnow.com and it says Inside Out is being released
by Metal Blade on March 24, 1998. It also has a listing for Inside Out '94.
Anyone have any idea what this new release is?
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 13:40:45 -0700
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Picks
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980302134043.00713ffc@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 11:36 AM 3/2/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>To continue with the 'annoying to keyboardists and drummers' guitar thred,
>just a question about Dunlop Jazz IIIs. Are they metal or plastic, and if
>they're plastic, how thick are they, and how much give is there?
Thicker than a quarter and NO give. Anyone on here really like the Jazz
picks? I've always been a Dunlop Tortex 1.0 mm fan, but I've never gotten
into the jazz picks. They seem like they'd improve accuracy in shredding,
but they also are harder to get used to with the really fast rhythms in metal.
Laterz!
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:48:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Emporer of Earth <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Because I say so, that's why!
Message-ID: <199803022048.MAA00372@sweden.it.earthlink.net>
>I don't know if it's because my musical tastes have changed, or because
>I've been exposed to so much more good music lately, or some combination
>of factors. But frankly, I've never heard much "emotion" in YM's solos,
>and I think it's because of the time efeect I mentioned above.
It's because Yngwie SUCKS! I saw this has been about 2 years ago when
he was opening for W.A.S.P. (yes, opening for Blackie and the boys) and
any respect I had for the "Legend in his own mind" left me. He knows
only two speeds, really fast and blinding. Sometimes I really get into
a good shredding solo, but there's times when emotion has to rule and
not the ego. That to me is why Yngwie sucks so bad, he's so into impressing
himself with how fast he is that he loses all emotion. Of course, these
are *not* opinions, they are proven facts.
>During Billy Sheehan's clinic, he mentioned that he just finished a
>recording with Terry Bozzio and "some members of Dream Theater".
I've also heard rumors he might play with David Lee Roth on his "Hey,
I'm not dead, I just sound like I am" tour. There is also talk that
he may take Michael Anthony's job in Van Halen because Mikey has lost
80% of his brain to Jack Daniels and has a hard time remembering how
to actually "play" the bass instead of just throwing it around the
stage.
>This news broadcast has been brought you by KillMary...
I'd like "Useless shit that means nothing to me" for $500, Alex." ;-)
>I have almost 500 cd.......and I buy about 10 cd at week...........
I'd like "big fucking deal" for $300, Alex.
>Chris P. remarked:
Answer: This guy can go on for hours and say absolutely nothing.
Question: Who is Chris Ptacek?" }:->
That bastard Jeff Falk wrote:
>look at what I might have in a ten-disc changer right now:
/me covers his eyes then peeks through his fingers
>The Beach Boys: _The Pet Sounds Sessions_ bonus disc
Pet Sounds is one of the greatest albums of all time. Even Paul
McCartney said The Beatles were blown away when they heard it.
>Billy Joel: Songs in the Attic
Classic Billy Joel! The progsnobs may scoff at this but us fans of
*all* styles of music tip our hats at this live masterpiece.
>Megadeth: Cryptic Writings
The *BEST* album of 1997, period.
>Yes: Going for the One
Awesome!
>Genesis: Duke
Genesis' last great album
>Bruce Springsteen: Born to Run
Classic disc, can't go wrong with this one.
>Queen: Jazz
The best band of all-time with the best singer in the
history of the world! One of my favorite Queen albums.
>This is just because I live in England, and anything that isn't used by
>those Oasis twats, you can't get a hold of.
>If there was no DT, life as we know it, would cease to exist. If
>there was no DT, then the bands that influenced DT must not have
>existed either. Cause if they did, DT would have been influenced and
>therefore created. For all we know, this DTless world (mad and insane as it
>might be) might not even have CDs. They could still be stuck listening to
>8-track. And we all know that you can't listen to DT on 8-track. I think
>that I have finally lost my fuckin mind!
So what you're saying is that if the Spice Girls didn't exist then music
would never have been created? Man, you gotta lay off the Crack! ;-)
On the subject of Headbanger's Ball in the USA, two reasons why it
don't exist: 1) Rikki Rachtman; 2) Lonn Friend.
Glad I could clear that up!
Scott
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:54:37 -0500
From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: dream@pronet.it
Subject: Re: 10 $ for each cd mastered
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980302155437.006f46f8@pop.wam.umd.edu>
>From: David Di Tivoli <dream@pronet.it>
>Subject: 10 $ for each cd mastered
>I have almost 500 cd.......and I buy about 10 cd at week...........
Made me think. And when I think, I look about for info to back up what I'm
thinkin'. For instance, this bit of text found on your webpage:
>If you want a copy of one of those cd,let me know.
>I sell for 8 $ or 12 milalire each copy.
Correct me if I'm wrong about the deal here, but you're referring to the
duplication and sale of currently available official-release CDs, right?
Isn't that not only illegal, but immoral?
(This ain't a bootleg question either. I have no problem with bootlegs.)
Suggestion, do away with the above deal, or, at least, make it less public.
Brian "Brian Henderson" Henderson
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:07:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Craig Maloney <craig@ic.net>
To: YtseJam List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Sega and JP?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980302160630.19951A-100000@contraption>
I've heard some talk about JP doing some Sega songs. Which ones?
Thanks!
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:11:55 -0400 From: "Matt Halloran" <imemnok@hurricane.gnt.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: look look a subject Message-ID: <199803022116.PAA07250@hurricane.gnt.net>
Does anyone out there know where i can get a copy of any Shawn Lane work? I tried to get powers of ten a few years ago but it was out of print.
Speaking of Shredders anyone ever hear Neil Zaza? i got a Shrapnel compilation CD a few years back and he had a song on there, it was a remake of an old Jazz ditty, can't remember which one, But anyways he pulled off some incredible sweeps in this tune. Then i saw him live with Bobby rock's clinic and he did some shredding nothing major but shredding nonetheless...only problem he had about as much feel as a sack of soggy turnips.
wow did i read correctly another Ani Difranco fan on here....killer
Can anyone reccomend some good Flamenco guitar players for me. I really need to beef up my flamenco collection since i don't have any that shouldn't be to hard.
"Your Mom's Carpet is a Boodledang." Ahmet Zappa
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:26:06 -0500 From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com> To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Just say NO ! (to medleys) Message-ID: <603838AE6912D111A2B80000C07F4C9F0122BCB3@carrier.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
>> They ended the show with playing parts of Met, LtL and >> The Crimson Sunset all mixed into one song. Very nice.
Uuuuuuuuuggggggghhhhhhh !! No. No. No. No. I really hope that this ceases and resists to exist. I really hate medleys and would much rather hear one of Met or LtL in its entirety instead of this stuff. Or, one of these songs with something added (ala Dance of Eternity's LtL).
I can see the viscous path right now. Remember how Genesis used to end concerts with Dance on a Volcano and Los Endos back-to-back (in their entirety) ?? What became of that. A MEDLEY of mush headed up by Mr. Earth-Wind-and-Phil making a clown of himself in front of four musicians. Maybe a 2 minute excerpt of something like The Musical Box, The Knife or Firth of Fifth thrown in just to tease you. This is what medleys seem to become, which is to me, a compromise in integrity. Please guys, dont fall into this trap. Medleys blow for jelly rolls !!
Put away your top ten lists and vote now for KILLING MEDLEYS !!
Later, Name Withheld
PS - No thanks to Warren T. Asswipe for taking swipes at that Mark person. I have met Mark in person and he seems really cool. Good looking, young and has a lot of hair too. Probably really popular with the women jammers !!
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:49:02 -0600 (CST) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Picking Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980302153101.40532B-100000@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
I m sure that the G3 guys (Vai, Satch and EJ) are not the fastest pickers around....Maybe Paul Gilbert, Joe Stump and some other top notch shredders can play faster than them, but i think that most of the shredders (and i mean shredders, like Gilbert,Stump, Impelliteri, KOtzen, etc.) dont have a very defined style, like Vai or EVH. Plus, i think that it is harder to play "Blue Powder", almost copying it, than playing a Paul Gilbert solo, that might just require speed, stamina, and a good rythm. My point is, that most of the shredders (most, not all) play their solos with a "linear" approach, whereas some guy like the G3 gang, play very emotional solos, ripping very fast passages rather than just a burst of speed, and not limiting themselves to playing notes in standard groupings, maybe not because they want to, but that might be more difficult to replicate than a faster linear sextuplet passage. Plus, a little bit of sloppinness here and there sounds cool in some Rush, Van Halen and EJ records. (not necessarily "sloppy", but some really minor noticeable errors thoughout fast passages) Even Yngwie has some of these.
Mauricio P.S hope you can get through my confusing english and dont misunderstand me.
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 16:54:52 -0500 From: Chris Bowsman <cbowsma@pop3.utoledo.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: dunlop jazz III's Message-ID: <34FB2AAC.B15715CA@pop3.utoledo.edu>
Dunlop Jazz III picks are black plastic, and probably about 1.5 mm thick. i don't know exactly, so this is just a guess. they are pretty small, too, so you get absolutely no give in them. i used to use these, until i found how much i like Dunlop Green Tortex picks (.88mm)
chris
by the way...does anybody but me think that Big Wreck is about one of the best bands to come out in the past several years?
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:49:51 -0500 (EST) From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Where to find LTE? Message-ID: <199803022149.QAA29562@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Does anyone know where we are gonna be able to get Liquid Tension when it comes out? Mall stores (doubt it)? Super stores (Best Buy/Tower)? Mail order?
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:53:08 -0400 From: "Matt Halloran" <imemnok@hurricane.gnt.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3596 Message-ID: <199803022158.PAA12293@hurricane.gnt.net>
> Well, I'm a non-guitar player, but I must admit - I'm enjoying this thread. > I must need a nap or something. > > > Anyhoo, the speed of a player > >is no good if the passage just sucks Hanson through a straw. My point? > >I dunno. But I do know that I feel a TON more emotion out of Satriani's > >solos than I do with Micheal Romeo's. > > My impression has always been (in an abstract sense): There is a minimum > time period in music during which emotion can be imparted to a note. I > don't know exactly what the duration is, but if you put more than one note > into that duration, then you are essentially "splitting" the emotional > impact over the multiple notes, and dulling their impact. Watch guitarists > live sometime. Generally, when they are shredding, they are looking at the > guitar or looking at the audience, but generally, they don't look like > they're "feeling" the music, just playing it. But watch that same player > when he gets to the legato passage in that shred solo, and you'll see > emotion begin to ooze out. (I know it's a generalization, but it's been > true for almost every band I've seen
_ The Problem i have always had about the theory that playing fast means that you are playing with less feel is that, If in you heart you feel 32nd notes coming out in a long fluid passage, then that passage is going to be oozing with feel. Conversely if you feel just one long sustained note and play that then it will also be imparted with your emotion. Now just saying that slowing things down imparts greater emotion is a popular myth. Take for example a guitarist who has taken for truth that myth, now this guitarist has let his technique lapse because he feels that slow means better. The problem arises when this guitarists is jamming along and he hears those fast passages should be in his music. He has not developed his technique so he is unable to play with the emotion he feels, so he has to play a slower passage that he doesn't necessarily feel. Now does that give it more emotion just because it is slower? i don't think so Feel comes in many different shapes and flavors so to categorize it in anyway is selfdefeating. _____________________________________________________________ > > "Oh I don't know, I'm all mixed up."
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:32:11 -0800 (PST) From: Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: a curious coincidence for all you shreadheads Message-ID: <19980302223211.14081.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com>
I was browsing through the Guitar Player magazines here in the Berklee library (they have 'em all the way back to the 60's for christ's sake) and i found something very interesting in the Feb 83 issue, with Zappa on the cover. First theree's a rather lengthy interview with a young-still-working-for-zappa-hasnt-even-made-his-studio-yet Steve Vai. And then, in Mike Varney's well known Spotlight column is none other than the Swede himself (and still living in Sweden) Yngwie J Malmsteem.
And as if that weren,t enough, right on the next page to Yngwie is a 15 year old, exremely dweeby looking, Flying V-totin' PAUL GILBERT.
who'd a thunk it? Ern
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:10:49 EST From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Too many notes Message-ID: <e295db75.34fb3c7b@aol.com>
Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> wrote >There is a minimum time period in music during which emotion can be imparted to >a note. I don't know exactly what the duration is, but if you put more than one >note into that duration, then you are essentially "splitting" the emotional >impact over the multiple notes, and dulling their impact.
You make me want to watch the movie Amadeus again. Especially the part where the king tells wolfie that there are too many notes. Just take a few out. Wolfie responds that there are exactly the amount of notes required, no more, no less. (I'm paraphrasing from memory here). Then the other brown nosers of the king's court jump in to support the king's notion, at which time wolfie asks which notes he would like taken out (sarcasm, seems to go unnoticed here!)
Do you have traces to the royal blood line?
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