YTSEJAM Digest 3601
Today's Topics:
1) Magna Carta
by Echomanyyz <Echomanyyz@aol.com>
2) Attn DC 'Jammers
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
3) Megadeth
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
4) Winter Rose
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@MAILA.WM.EDU>
5) Oooooops
by K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
6) Plectronimus
by someone@prognosis.com
7) SDV Sheet Music
by Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
8)
by Bernardo Pulgar <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com>
9) To School or not to School?
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
10) To School or not to School (continued)
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
11) LTE release
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
12) Re: To School or not to School
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
13) NEW SNATCHRIANI ROCKS!!!
by Eckie <eckie@asu.edu>
14) Mark M is Cartman
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
15) My first Stratovarius album
by Dominique De Jesus Oliveira <ddjo@mhnet.fr>
16) OpenGL, removing hidden lines, bass guitar, strings, DT
by Sebastjan Videc <sebastjan.videc@uni-mb.si>
17) G3 - '98 European tour
by Yakov Kouznetsov <provibe@club-internet.fr>
18) Ramblings
by "Ollila Marko" <Marko.Ollila@logisware.fi>
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:15:57 EST
From: Echomanyyz <Echomanyyz@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Magna Carta
Message-ID: <378279bf.34fb920f@aol.com>
I was looking at the new release section at www.billboard.com and they said
that Explorers Club: Age of Impact will be released on April 28. Also, Magna
Carta is releasing a CD from a band called "Caliban" on March 10 along with
LTE. Has anyone ever heard of this band?
P.S. If you are looking for Magna Carta CDs in stores, try Tower Records. My
local Tower Records has pretty much all the Magna Carta CDs.
-Ian
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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 00:30:17 -0500
From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Attn DC 'Jammers
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980303003017.006f655c@pop.wam.umd.edu>
Two concerts coming up which may be of interest, both at the Birchmere, in
Alexandria, VA:
04/15 Bruford - Levin Upper Extremeties
04/22 Steve Morse Band
Hopefully, I'll be going to both. If I can scrounge up the dough, anyhow.
Brian "Pauper" Henderson
===========================
Name:
W. Brian Henderson, Esq.
Contact:
hender@wam.umd.edu
ROBOT-CENTRAL:
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/
===========================
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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 00:36:20 -0500
From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Megadeth
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980303003619.006c1548@maila.wm.edu>
Angus53 sayeth:
>I must agree with you that Cryptic Writings is one of their better albums. I
>have the 4 that you mentioned, plus So far so good so what, Rust In Peace,
and
>Peace Sells Whos Bying. Although Rust in Peace is My all time favorite
>Megadeth album, CW is a close second. Very close.
>Later
Yo, I have been hunting after CW for the longest time, I feel so deprived!!
Don't have nearly as much Megadeth as I would wish for. AHHHHH!
-A
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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 00:40:13 -0500
From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@MAILA.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Winter Rose
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980303004012.00714918@maila.wm.edu>
Chuck B sayeth:
>hello all!
>a few jams ago, somebody wrote that kjlb's former band winter rose
>rereleased their album, and gave a short review. I liked what it
>said, and decided to try to find the album.
It's GOOD. A fellow Jammer (you know who you are, God bless you!) sent me
a mix with some of their stuff...I highly recommend it. Great tunes. I am
humming them now.
Hmmmmmmm
later,
Alex
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:56:28 -0500 (EST)
From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Oooooops
Message-ID: <199803030556.AAA18459@camel7.mindspring.com>
>>Concept has split up. Bummer. I love the band, I thought Flow was a kickass
>>CD, the other CDs were cool as hell too. Good songwriters. Singer Khan is
>
>That would be... ConcepTION... :)
Hehehe. Thanks Mosh!
>All guitarists should try playing in the rain once... maybe we'll be rid
>of more of them ego maniacs ;)
If you got those little pignose amps that work with a battery, why not? ;)
As for Age of Impact... I had heard about it but I was under the impression
that this project that Billy Sheehan was talking about was something
completely different. Billy knows way less about the whole thing than people
here in the jam, I guess :-)
Vinnie Poo:
> Ooooh, bad idea :) There's at least 200 guitarists on this list, and
Yeah, but 195 play Ibanez guitars!
>Dude, this may be the case, but I'm willing to bet that this will NEVER
>happen. Legalize Marijuana OR sign a progmetal band to a major label.
>
>Anyone wanna bet which will happen first?
I believe Angra could be signed to a major label. Didn't DT get a big ass
budget to record in the same studio Aerosmith just recorded right before,
with the most sought-after producer of the last year or so?
>Smoke 'em if ya got 'em!
>--KorgX3
I always thought KorgX3 was one of the funniest guys in here, but now he
just topped himself :-)
NP: Gary Willis - No Sweat. The guy is INSANE. I think I'm gonna rip the
frets off one of my basses :-)
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:24:49 +0000
From: someone@prognosis.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Plectronimus
Message-ID: <199803030622.WAA01753@odin.ax.com>
> From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
> Subject: Take that p and rotate it 180 degrees!
ROFLMAO You would come up with that, Chuck!
> From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
> Maybe it's because I don't play guitar, but to me, the fast runs you point
> out here are the buildups, and the actual "punch" comes on the held note
> that comes at the end of each one of those runs.
Indeed this is different from a musician's point of view, because
the last note of the fast lick is the sustained note that you refer
to. Just because you're going to hold it for longer doesn't mean you
don't have to get to it just as fast. If you look at it from the
perspective of an instrument playing "lines," the fast lick ends
after the first slow note. But I guess even from your standpoint,
the build up is more important than the release. You can't pee in a
cup if you don't stock up some juice. :)
> And, though it may be blasphemous to say so, I think on portions of this
> song the "ambient" music (the bass, keys, and "noises" in the back) plays
> more of a role in establishing the emotional level of the song than the
> lead does, and at least one of those times is during a shred run.
Oh, no dude, I absolutely have to agree with you. A lot of guys
might not, but I don't want anyone to get the impression that all I
listen to is the guitar part. If that was the case, how could I
listen to classical music, or trance music? I tend to focus on the
melody until I understand it, and then focus on the background until
I understand it, and then FINALLY I look at the big picture. Of
course, sometimes the melody is in the chord progression, so
sometimes I HAVE to look at the background first.
> run. Plus, the method of Steve Morse ( I call it economy picking) is much
> more...well, economical to your right hand, as you are not moving about so much and
> can get a lot more done with a minimal movement.
Because you're been at it for longer than I have, and because I love
your playing, I will assume that I'm wrong on this, but I could have
SWORN... I would have sworn on my prototype Universe, that Steve
Morse is absolutely strict alternate picking. I've been to 3 Morse
concerts and 3 clinics, and seen his videos and have all of his non
Dregs albums (and several of the Dregs albums) and from interviews
and everything else, I was lead to believe it's all strictly
alternate picking (Zero Economy picking). In fact, the editor's
notes in the transcription to Tumeni Notes says "This sounds like
sweep picking, but it's actually all alternate picked" or something
to that effect... and if he alternate picks 1 note per string
passages, I find it unlikely that he'd use economy techniques when
they're not necessary.
Also, when you watch his right hand, don't you see all that
movement? He has a bad position for picking, that prevents him (in
his own words at the most recent clinic) from reaching speeds that
some other shredders reach, but gives him a great deal of help when
doing the one note per string stuff where he has to bounce around a
lot.
Brett Garsed, Joe Stump, Frank Gambale, Greg Howe, and
numerous other supershredders use economy forms (along with alternate
picking) but I didn't think that Morse did. I guess the easy way to
find out will be on the next tour or the next clinic!
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass."
- Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 98 1:30:12 EST
From: Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: SDV Sheet Music
Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.5.888906612.chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
Hello, could someone tell me where I could find the sheet music for Wait for
Sleep and Space Dye Vest. I am a novice keyboard player determined to learn
these songs. It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 22:37:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Bernardo Pulgar <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <19980303063704.6179.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com>
Hi. Is anyone from this list going to be at the Australian Formula 1
Grand Prix in Melbourne this weekend (from 5th. to 8th of March)? If
anyone goes, we could meet. I'm going to be at the Senna Stand, very
close to curve # 16.
This is my 1st. Grand Prix EVER - YESSSSSSSSS! I hope
McLaren-Mercedes wins ;)
Cheers!
BP
No Signature!
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 02:22:08 EST
From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: To School or not to School?
Message-ID: <3261e403.34fbafa2@aol.com>
Eckie <eckie@asu.edu> said:
>The best help I've found is from your own personal research, pick out what
>elements of guitar facsinate you
I agree 100%. There is so much information out there that if you are
motivated enough to find it (you almost have to be the Unabomber in a shack
not to find it) you can teach yourself. If your a lazy guy, you better help
you are just very, very gifted at guitar. I have seen guitarist that are very
lazy, but can still play very well. So, I would say just teach yourself, but
don't take anything as a RULE. If you struggle with it for weeks on end, it
may not be right for you (or you aren't trying hard enough). Eckie has
probably not only advanced incredibly in the two years he has been playing
guitar, but sounds very mature on guitar technique philosophy as well.
Eckie then states:
>Hanging out with local talents (I mean guitarists who play something other
than
>Nirvana and Blink 666), jamming with them, and learning from them.
That is part two of getting good. Playing out (or atleast out of your
bedroom) is very motivating. Nothing is a greater motivator than the fear of
possibly blowing chunks in front of other guitarist you respect. Trust me, it
makes it a lot easier to practice that extra hour if you are going to play
with some musician's the next day.
I did go to MI, so I did pay for lessons (so to speak). But I would have to
say that I learned more from jamming with other players and going to the media
library and checking out everything of interest than I did by going to the
classes. So it was more that I was in a place where it is hard not to be
musical that helped me.
If you decide to go for lessons, be aware: There are a lot of teachers out
there taht suck at guitar but can teach very well. There are also a lot of
teachers that are shredders, but have absolutely no apptitude to teach. I
have gone to teachers that I would consider a joke as a guitar technician but
taught me a great deal.
But if you are motivated enough, just do it yourself.
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 02:46:04 EST
From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: To School or not to School (continued)
Message-ID: <ae7786a5.34fbb53e@aol.com>
Oh, one thing you should go to school for is music theory, which has
absolutely nothing to do with guitar technique. And remember:
Great Technique + Master of Music Theory does not equal Great Songwriting.
They are all very separate aspects of a musician and one has very little to do
with the other, except to combine them. Of course songwriting is can be
learned to some degree, but that is more crafting what you already have. If
you don't have the ability to write songs from the beginning, you should
probably check into being a Studio Musician or fill out the McDonald's
Application right now. Of course, songwriting is the biggest variable as to
far as what is considered good. But if you don't like your songs, odds are
other people don't like it either.
Back to Music Theory. Learn at a College (or Junior College). Learn it
twice. Once from the Classical aspect, and once from the Jazz aspect. You'll
be surprised how different these two can be. And both have great information.
BUT NEVER LEARN FROM A GUITARIST! I'm sure there are some guitarist that can
teach it, but they are definitely a minority of guitarists. And Music theory
isn't naming scales and triads (or chords). It isn't songwriting. And it
sure isn't just matching up patterns on a guitar neck. Real music theory has
nothing to do with a particular instrument. Don't even apply music theory to
the guitar right away (well apply it, but don't limit it to the guitar). One
thing you will learn is that by the time you get to advanced music theory, it
almost seems like a big crock to learn in the first place. Advanced music
theory can basically explain EVERYTHING as an acceptable form of music. And
you start to wonder why you learned theory if it basically ends up stating
ANYTHING you play is within the rules of Music Theory. That is when you have
to realize Music Theory has nothing to do with RULES. It is THEORY. Can you
go your whole life without even knowing the simplest of music theory? Most
definitely. Do you need Music Theory? Not necessarily. So why even worry
about Music Theory? Because it races your mind through endless amounts of
possibilites that you may have never thought of if you didn't learn Music
Theory.
The goal of Music Theory is to learn it to the point where you don't use it.
It just helps you discover yourself. And you can always learn more Music
Theory. BUT DON'T LEARN IT FROM A GUITARIST. Most guitarist idea of what
music theory is is just plain pathetic. It is funny that some may consider
themselves masters of theory because they can point out something that is
OUTSIDE the scale or key. That is PURE BULLSHIT. If you are limiting
yourself to playing in the seven modes and a few of the off shoots (harmonic
and melodic minor (and the modes givein off by these two minors), chromatic,
atonal, dimished, altered, etc.) you missed the whole point to begin with.
All though, Music Theory is the least important of the big three. Songwriting
first, Technique Second, and Music Theory last. Oh yeah, tone after technique
and before theory. I can deal with bad tone before I can deal with bad
technique.
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 02:51:08 EST
From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LTE release
Message-ID: <86f1700b.34fbb66f@aol.com>
I sent in a check to Magna Carta in the middle of February, and received it on
February 28th. No connections, just a regular customer. I also have Shadow
Gallery and Age of Impact already paid for with them. This is how I am sure I
will get it as soon as it is available. I bet if you call Magna Carta and
give them a credit card number, you can get it very quickly. I have such a
hard time finding Magna Carta releases, I just do it all by mail order now.
It sure beats driving to 5 music stores just to find one of the four CD's I
was looking for.
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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 01:07:04 -0700
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: To School or not to School
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980303010703.006eec80@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 12:01 AM 3/3/98 -0800, you wrote:
>And you can always learn more Music
>Theory. BUT DON'T LEARN IT FROM A GUITARIST.
Funny, the person who taught me music theory had a masters degree in
guitar performance and she was a student of Andres Segovia. She taught me
music theory quite well, and she's a guitarist. But that could never
happen, right Calvin? 'Cause guitarists don't know shit, right? heheh :)
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 01:17:50 -0700
From: Eckie <eckie@asu.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: NEW SNATCHRIANI ROCKS!!!
Message-ID: <34FBBCAD.69E512BD@imap1.asu.edu>
HEEEEE'S BAAAAAAACK! It's good to see he's not in the blue period
anymore, 'n he's back to ROCK 'N FUCKIN' ROLL BABY!!! Oh 'n all that
guitar talk goin' on about melody and theory and style...well, buy this
album an' basically listen to what a master jedi of shred can do, even
with a Marshall. >;)
I've only listened through it once as I type this (actually haven't even
gotten to the last track yet) and I gotta say it's different than the
other stuff he's done...it's laid back yet it's jumping around yet
it's...well, buy it and understand. I love it. Joe knows diddly.
I'd say it's harkening back to more of the Extremist in overall style 'n
composition, but it has elements of Time Machine and the blues album as
well. It's not as balls-to-the-walls shred as Surfing was, and I can't
compare it to Flying (no vocals on Crystal Planet) ;) but goddAMN God
gave this dude a hellafied understanding of melody!
Satch is god.
and Korg is hysterical.
~Eckie doesn't even NEED a dick!
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 01:03:35 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Mark M is Cartman
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-980303090335Z-19915@ms.Kallback.com>
>From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
>PS - I have met Mark in person and he seems really cool. Good
>looking, young and has a lot of hair too. Probably really popular with
>the women jammers !!
Dude, you totally sound like Cartman at his tea-party on the last South
Park! :)
>
>
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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 10:09:01 +0100
From: Dominique De Jesus Oliveira <ddjo@mhnet.fr>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My first Stratovarius album
Message-ID: <199803030903.KAA23863@mail.mhnet.fr>
Hye,
I've read here, lot and good opinions about Stratovarius.
Then this Week-end I bought the last album "Visions".
It was a great idea , it's exellent.
Now, I would buy another album. Can somebody tell me which one?
Thanks for your suggestions.
Dom
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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 10:22:55 +0100
From: Sebastjan Videc <sebastjan.videc@uni-mb.si>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: OpenGL, removing hidden lines, bass guitar, strings, DT
Message-ID: <34FBCBEF.C6D535B9@uni-mb.si>
Hi all geeks!!!
After a long time I've decided to ask some questions!
Is anyone familiar with removing hidden lines(using OpenGL).
I have a scene with wire cube and am doing some rotation, and need to
hide some lines.
As for bass guitar. I play Ibanez(what else) SG 800 purple
colored, and it's an eye breaker under lights. Anyway, tried some
Fenders and Yamahas, and must say that Fenders(old ones, not new)
are quite cool, except that I like Ibanez a little better(looks).
Also played RBX Yamahas and TRB, and RBX is the worst, while 5 and 6
string TRB's are mucho mucho enjoyable.
What strings are you guys using? I'm using Dean Markley
Blue Steel. Great brilliance and also bottom.
As I understand DT are touring in Germany. What are the ticket
prices? If anyone is willing to answer, please do!
Let light surround you all
Sebastjan
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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 10:38:16 +0100
From: Yakov Kouznetsov <provibe@club-internet.fr>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: G3 - '98 European tour
Message-ID: <331A9C08.2F31@club-internet.fr>
Hi, there!
Going to a local record store was a big mistake. '98 G3 concert
is announced (at least here, in Paris) on the 26th of May and when I saw
who's featured on the bill I could barely stand on my feet. A special
guest will be Patrick Rondat, and three headliners will be : ULI JON
ROTH, MICHEAL SHENKER and JOE SATRIANI. Damn, what could be better! When
Think of the alltogether jam !!!
Let guitar rule the world! Take care. Jacob.
provibe@club-internet.fr
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Date: 3 Mar 98 11:42:39 +0200
From: "Ollila Marko" <Marko.Ollila@logisware.fi>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ramblings
Message-ID: <0021BC77080000010103EB875F042E@mail.logisware.fi>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Ryan Good wrote:
>>Supposedly Angra is coming out with an album this year... and rumor has it
>>they're talking to a big label here in the U.S. (ie: not MC, or Noise, or
>>Massacre, or Metal Blade, we're talking label the size of Elektra).
>Dude, this may be the case, but I'm willing to bet that this will NEVER
>happen. Legalize Marijuana OR sign a progmetal band to a major label.
>Anyone wanna bet which will happen first?
Watch it, I may even take you up on that bet. The thing is that Angra
isn't generally regarded as a "prog metal band". Okay, now some of you
go like, "shit, Mape's pigeonholing things again", but generally Angra
is categorized as power metal. Now, if you take a little glance at what
for instance Nuclear Blast, which is a relatively big metal label, is
doing at the moment...they are signing POWER METAL BANDS. Hammerfall has
sold better than most of the other new NB signings and they have already
released another traditional power metal release from a German band called
Primal Fear with an ex-Gamma Ray singer Ralf Scheepers and some other
European power metal household names. More is on the way, they have also
signed Pegasuz, an Australian power metal combo. The exactly same thing is
going on at Century Media, Noise and other European metal labels.
SPV/NextStop's Rhapsody have sold well, Hammerfall has sold even better,
Stratovarius sells well. Face it dude, the eighties metal (in the European
sense of the word, not Poison, Ratt etc.) like it or not, is coming back...
Music industry revolves in eternal loop. Late 70s and early eighties were
the times os disco and punk rock. The last ten years have fed us an endless
variety of techno/dance stuff (comparison:disco) and also neo-punk
crap like (Green Day, NoFX, Rancid etc.) and NYHC (Sick of it All etc.),
which I pesonally also regard as a subgenre of punk. Early eighties, not the
least by the influence of Iron Maiden, Saxon and Judas Priest saw the rising
of the second wave of heavy metal. Now the cycle is closing again. Raise the
axes, it's our time. It's the time for MMMMMMMETAL. :)
_Mape_
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