YTSEJAM Digest 3615
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3612
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3614
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
3) Rudess/Morgenstein Project ...questions.
by A P Longley <ap7032@qmw.ac.uk>
4) Re: barre
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
5) Re: barre
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
6) Guitar: February 1998
by "Woolcock" <woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au>
7) DT in Helsinki ***SPOILERS***
by O-P Komonen <op777@mail.surffi.net>
8) Keyboards vs Guitars
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
9) Re: Oops; Laser's Edge promptness?
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
10) Drums and TAMP
by mccurdy@kennametal.ibmmail.com
11) Dt gig in Helsinki, Finland.
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
12) Re: THIS IS NOT ME!
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
13) How do they do that?
by "CP Parnham" <C.P.Parnham-97@student.lboro.ac.uk>
14) Deep Purple and DT (DTC!)
by "Gene Szucs" <EEszucs@worldnet.att.net>
15) 7-string thread...
by K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
16) Re: barre
by eckie@asu.edu
17) "damn producers"
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 05:41:55 EST
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3612
Message-ID: <7cb7114a.34fe8175@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-04 20:02:06 EST, you write:
<< You and your kind make me sick! Oh, and if you want to settle this like a
man (which I doubt you will), you can contact me at any of the following:
Email? ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
Mail? Chris Calabrese
706 East Tower
Ithaca College
953 Danby Rd.
Ithaca, NY 14850
How about the phone? (607) 375-4100
I'll give you directions to here so we can settle it like men!
Take your pick! >>
Deja Vu????
=]
Rocky
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 05:46:20 EST
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3614
Message-ID: <c2fcfdcc.34fe827e@aol.com>
> Piano, IMO is the EASIEST instrument to learn on. All instruments
>are about equally difficult to MASTER, though. Who on this list is
>going to be satisfied playing only Green Day type music? Give me a
>break!
>
ok, i can ALMOST agree that its the easiest to begin to learn on, but i must
say one "instrument" is even easier, drums.
Rocky
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:47:07 +0000
From: A P Longley <ap7032@qmw.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rudess/Morgenstein Project ...questions.
Message-ID: <169AFA26C35@qmwcc5.qmw.ac.uk>
Hi,
I've just heard that Rudess/Morgenstein Project will tour the UK in
April with Dream Theater.
Does anyone have their album, is it worth buying, and do you know if
it is released in the UK?
Thanks,
-
__
Adrian.
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 05:50:02 EST
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: barre
Message-ID: <5b64e34a.34fe835c@aol.com>
>Last time I checked, the only types of chords were open and barre; I don't
>know about anyone else, but I find barre chords to be harder to play well.
>The third and fourth string many times catch in the creases of my finger.
>
>-Brian
>
you gotta roll your index finger to it's side. my roomate had the same problem
when i was teaching him barre chords.
Rocky
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 98 05:04:09 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: barre
Message-ID: <34fe86a84e14002@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of Thu, 5 Mar 1998 03:07:34 -0800 (PST)
from The iban <Theiban@aol.com>:
> you gotta roll your index finger to it's side. my roomate had the same
> problem
> when i was teaching him barre chords.
Yeah, I try that, but then it screws with my other fingering. I have pretty
short fingers, so they don't reach around real well.
-Brian
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:36:11 +1030
From: "Woolcock" <woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au>
To: "YtseJam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Guitar: February 1998
Message-ID: <199803051103.VAA28545@goliath.camtech.com.au>
Hi jammers,
Did anyone see in the Feb. Issue of Guitar, DT mentioned about 25,000
times?
Not only did it have the tab for Burning My Soul, but it also had JP's top
10 favourite CDs (my friend said 'yeah!' to 'Master of Puppets' and my dad
said 'yeah!' to 'Fragile' and 'Led Zeppelin IV').
In the Guitar Reader's Choice Awards:
Best Band: 1st - Dream Theater, 2nd - Metallica (IMO who suck ever since
Load), 3rd - Pantera.
Best Rock Guitarist: 1st - Dimebag Darrell (Pantera), 2nd - OUR John
Petrucci, 3rd - Joe Satriani.
Best Guitar Album: 1st - G3 Live in Concert (my friend would agree with
this), 2nd - Falling Into Infinity (yeah!!), 3rd - ReLoad (oh please).
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Shane Woolcock - woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au
WWW - http://rampage.ml.org/sector1/~samah/
"Still awake, I continue to move along,
Cultivating my own nonsense" - DT
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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 14:27:09 +0200
From: O-P Komonen <op777@mail.surffi.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT in Helsinki ***SPOILERS***
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980305142709.006d3668@hlti.fi>
***SPOILERS***
***SPOILERS***
***SPOILERS***
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OK... I think the gig was pretty much like the few previous gigs in Europe,
with one exception I think. James did an accapella version of some
Supertramp song.. dunno what, cuz I relly don't know much about that band.
The lyrics had something to do with lovers, ocean and boats :)
other than that, the gig was of course FRIGGIN' AWESOME, some other jammers
will prolly post a better review thatn me, so I'll just leave it there.
P.S. If some of you guys saw a guy running to Portnoy and talking a bit
with him when he was walking past the line when we were waiting to get in,
that guy was me :)
op777
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Olli-Pekka Komonen snail:Kutojantie 2, 13720 Parola, Finland
e-mail: opk@hlti.fi phn:+358-3-6715036 cell:+358-400-498 266
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"YOUTAKEMYLIFEANDI'LLTAKEYOURSTOO!!!" -Kevin Moore
"Very positive message" -James LaBrie
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 04:28:27 -0800
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Keyboards vs Guitars
Message-ID: <01BD47F3.2CB24EB0.aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
I don't wanna start this thread, so I'm not gonna jump in and defend Damon,
even tho I think he is mostly right. I will, however, offer up my
experience on the issue. I've read a great many interviews and such with
"famous" "musicians" in "bands" and I noticed a pattern over the years.
Guitarist: "Well, I picked up the guitar three years ago, taught myself
using the "teach yourself Heavy Metal Guitar in 21 Days" book, and look at
me now, I'm famous and rich. I don't know what a major scale is, but I get
laid by a diefferent woman evry night! Isn't it great!?"
Keyboardist (if they have one): "Well, I've been playing since I was 3
years old. I've taken private lessons since then. I was winning state
championships in classical piano by age 15. Now, Not only do I not get to
write any of the lyrics or music, the band makes me play nothing but pads,
I don't even appear in the band photo, I get an "also featuring" credit
instead of being listed as a full member, and when we tour, I get to play
off-stage so no one sees me! Isn't it great!?"
Now, this is a lot of why I got into prog. Keyboardists have NO respect in
the mainstream rock/heavy music world. I went out and bought I&W the first
time I heard PMU on the radio because it was the first metal song I'd ever
heard that didn't have the keys turned down so low that you could barely
hear them, and Kev was actually playing something INTERESTING.
Yes, I'm a bitter keyboardist, and so is Damon. Anyone who says that they
are a rock guitarist immediately has "cool" stamped in the minds of random
strangers whom they meet. A rock keyboardist immediately has the word
"geek" stamped in.
Luckily, I've found a group of people (well, helped to form a group of
people) who want to do heavy, slightly proggy, cool music that have
prominent keyboards, so I'm happy with that, but it is a tough world out
there for us Tinklers of Ivory.
Rant off. I now return you to your regularly scheduled BafuJam.
~Chris
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:20:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
To: Under a Glass Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Oops; Laser's Edge promptness?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980305091438.19125A-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Madsman remarked:
> I accidentally quoted part of Phil's message without responding to
> it. A mistake I will rectify through my response to Vin.
C'mon, Chris, you know you just wanted an EOJ. And got it. Geez, even you
Ackers want those EOJs....:)
On an unrelated note, how quickly does the Laser's Edge send stuff out
usually? I placed a 6-disc order with 'em what seems like two-three weeks
ago and haven't seen or heard anything. Of course, I *could* just call Ken
Golden and ask him what's up, but I'd rather not bother him if someone
here tells me that two-three weeks is normal.
Joe Satriani rulez (just your Daily Reminder to BUY "CRYSTAL PLANET".
NOW).
Ta,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal)
Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
Currently playing: Angra -- "Angels Cry"
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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 09:49:36 EST
From: mccurdy@kennametal.ibmmail.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Drums and TAMP
Message-ID: <199803051450.GAA05946@odin.ax.com>
--- Received from HQ02MEMO.TC6NSMM MCCURDY, SHAWN 03-05-98 09:48
Figured I'd jump on the "Equipment" bandwagon
Drum Kit: TAMA Artstar Custom (Color: British Racing Green)
Bass Drum: 22"
Toms: 10", 12", 13", 14"
Floor Tom: 16"
Toca Mini Timbales
8" and 10"
Cymbals: Zildjian
6" Zil Bel 17" A Thin Crash
6" A Splash 18" Z Med Custom Crash
8" A Custom Splash 18" Z Rock Crash
10" Edge Flash Splash 18" Z Custom China
10" A Custom Splash 19" Z Med Custom Crash
14" Mini-China 20" A China Boy-High
14" Z Custom Hi-Hats 20" Z Heavy Power Ride
Sabian
10" HH China Kang (Mounted on top of 10" Edge Flash Splash)
Other Noise Makers:
LP studio Bar Chimes, LP Vibra Slap, LP Jam Block,
LP Ridge Rider Cowbell, LP Cyclops Tambourine
Hardware: TAMA Drum Rack and TAMA HT520 Drum Throne
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On the semi-recent debate of TAMP:
I would have to agree that the Demo version of TAMP is much better
than the FII version. It seems much more full of emotion and more
powerful, not to mention longer with the additional verse. It has been
playing in my stereo and in my head for about a week now since my
grandfather passed away on Sunday. It's been somewhat of a comfort.
See-ya,
Shawn
"I'm learning to survive, without you in my life,
till you come knocking at my door."
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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 06:52:30 PST
From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dt gig in Helsinki, Finland.
Message-ID: <19980305145233.24513.qmail@hotmail.com>
I have know seen the greatest band on earth live.I could now die as a
happy man. :-)
Vanden Plas was the opening band.I liked them.Especially the drummer
he was very creative.
But on to DT!What could I say?Phenomenal?MInd Blowing?Definitely!!!
They started with Lines in the sand.I was air drumming during the whole
song and Mike noticed it and pointed at me(more on that later).:-) Next
was Burning my soul.My neck still hurts from moshing.Voices
followed.Absolutely...FUCKING GREAT!I canīt remember the exact order of
the following songs.But they played:Peruvian skies, Hollow Years(with
Mike on the little four piece kit)New Millenium, Pull me under, Puppies
on Acid, Lie,Ytsejam with fasten your seatbelts and
drumsolo.Metropolis/LtL/?/fortune in lies, Darkest of winters, Carpe
Diem(I think), JLMB
During the drumsolo I experienced the climax of my musical career.I
got to play a tom with Mike Portnoy.I guess that air-drumming payed off!
:-) And whatīs more, Mike was impressed about my playing!(to finnish
jammers,I was the second guy who played, not the first one.)I got to
keep the sticks and later got him to sign one of them.Derek and John P.
Did their usual soloīs, and James sang one song with only him in the
stage.He said it was his solo singing debute.I canīt remember the song
title.
Iīm sure they played other songs that I mentioned but I canīt remember
them.
After the show we hanged outside their tourbus and waited for the guys
to show up.They came one by one.First came Derek.He said(an exact
quote):you Finns are a bunch of crazy motherfuckers! :-)He started to
laugh when someone asked him:Is mr.PornToy coming out soon?
Next came James.He was very kind but obviously tired.Then came John M.
That day he was definitely the silent man.Very kind and modest.
We had to wait atleast half an hour before Portnoy and Petrucci came
out.I thanked Portnoy for letting me play the tom with him.He said that
I played good and signed his signature and wrote: good job!-above his
signature. :-) Didnīt get to chat with Petrucci because he was already
on his way to the tourbus when I tapped on his shoulder and asked him to
sign my album cover.
Overall, this has been one of the best experiences in my life.I met
only one jammer there while I was waiting outside to get in to the
place.didnīt get your name, sorry.You were a cool guy to chat with.
-Vilzu-
P.S.Someone mentioned that Vanden Plas played Super Mario Bros. in their
tourbus.That must be their favorite game since they did the same thing
in here. :-)
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:04:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: THIS IS NOT ME!
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980305100319.18408B-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Chris Calabrese wrote:
>
> EVERYONE! I DID NOT WRITE THIS! WHOEVER IT IS, IS FUCKING WITH ME. IT
> WAS NOT FROM MY EMAIL ADDRESS IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE.
>
whoever it is signed his name on the bottom of the post.....
*sigh*
you wouldn't happen to be a DJ for K-Rock here in NY, would you?
-Al
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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 15:29:08 +0000
From: "CP Parnham" <C.P.Parnham-97@student.lboro.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: How do they do that?
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980305152908.0091c480@student-mailin.lboro.ac.uk>
Hello,
Why do I keep reading about setlists for DT's European concerts? In 6
weeks time I'm going to be at one myself and the last thing I want to be
doing is writing down the setlist and timing each song! How come you guys
have got the time to do that sort of thing??? Didn't you go there JUST to
enjoy yourself by seeing the band?
If any of you wish to reply to this then feel free but I don't mean
anything offensive by it. It was just an observation, nothing more. :-)
Chris Parnham
ICQ#: 5714076
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Please check out my local Rock band STORMWATCH at
<http://www.vinyltap.co.uk/storm.html> They're gonna be BIG!!!
When autumn leaves are falling, When twilight's here at last,
When time seems never ending, When present turns to past,
When hopes are all we live for, When eyes are closed at night,
When happiness forever is When dream and day unite.....
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:09:54 -0500
From: "Gene Szucs" <EEszucs@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Deep Purple and DT (DTC!)
Message-ID: <01bd4851$22816c60$0100007f@localhost>
I don't know if anyone's reported this or not, but Deep Purple and DT are
expected to tour the US together August 1 through Sep. 15, according to Hard
Radio. Sounds interesting, Steve Morse and JP on the same night!
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:43:11 -0500 (EST)
From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 7-string thread...
Message-ID: <199803051643.LAA02129@camel14.mindspring.com>
Hey, if you guys have problems with the sound of the Ibanez Universe, I
think I know an alternative that could be pretty cool. I just saw that
Alembic makes a baritone guitar, which is strung B to B instead of E to E.
The guitar has a 28 inch scale, which should make those lows much more
powerful, and it should sound like a REAL baritone guitar. I have no idea
what stores carry those guitars though - our local stores sell Alembic stuff
but they don't have the guitars. If I hadn't switched over to bass, I would
DEFINITELY check one of these out. If one of you ever makes it big, you
could order a 2-neck guitar with one neck being baritone and the other
standard tuning. Now that would rock :-)
I am pleased with the sound of my 7-string. I think the chucky neck and the
bigger body compensate a bit for the "flat" response pickups, adding some
warmth and wood tone to the sound. It definitely sounds more "organic" to my
ears than most Ibanez 6-strings, especially the ones with the real thin
necks (those sound almost like plastic with pickups to me). One thing that
might change the sound of mine is that I got it already pretty beaten up,
with some parts where the painting is gone and the wood is showing. I should
probably take the whole painting off and put some lacquer finish to see if
it sweetens the sound further...
Does anybody here own one of those new Marshall JCM 2000 amps? I'm really
curious as to how those sound...
Later!
Christian.
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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 09:44:13 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: barre
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980305094128.5937B-100000@general3.asu.edu>
On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Brian Hayden was quick to retort:
> > you gotta roll your index finger to it's side. my roomate had the same
> > problem
> > when i was teaching him barre chords.
>
> Yeah, I try that, but then it screws with my other fingering. I have pretty
> short fingers, so they don't reach around real well.
Ah c'mone ya pussy! I think I have the smallest fingers in the world
(heck, half the chicks I meet have bigger hands than I do) 'n I can barre
just fine 'n dandy. >:) Get some blood circulatin' in those digits 'n
stretch, then try playing. Do like Petrucci does. Massaaaaage. It
really does work wonders.
~Eckie, the ever so relaxed guitar wanker
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:49:43 +0100
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: "damn producers"
Message-ID: <01BD4860.B7874DC0@KEhleyr.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Loren wrote :
> I'M PISSED OFF!!!!
>
> Now I know what happens when damn producers, who don't know SHIT about
> music, do to songs when they get they're greedy little paws on them!
> I nearly cried after hearing the REAL TAMP. How could Mr. Shirley take
> that song and utterly destroy it? I mean, I could see it if he changed
> a couple of things here and there, but he ripped it APART! It's not
> even the same song.
1. Do you really think Dream Theater has this little to say about
what goes on with their work ? It's always easy to blame the
producer, rather than to face up to the fact that your favourite
band just made some musical decisions you don't agree with.
2. Dream Theater seems very happy with Kevin Shirley's work on FII.
Just check out some interviews. Not one bad word about Kevin in
any of them. David Prater on the other hand...
3. They let Kevin Shirley mix "Liquid Tension Experiment" too.
That should tell you something, shouldn't it ?
> And how could they leave songs like STM, TWiUTB, and CME???
Well, after 78:18 minutes they kinda ran out of space on the CD.
Shit happens. :-)
> I think STM is one of the best songs out of the FII sessions.
Didn't do much for me.
Mark Bredius
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Dream Theater - "Under A Cyber Moon" http://www.prognosis.com/dream/
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