YTSEJAM Digest 3612
Today's Topics:
1) Re: KROCK
by Damon Fibraio <damon74@injersey.com>
2) Re: tendonitus SDTC
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
3) dance of eternity boot
by Damon Fibraio <damon74@injersey.com>
4) Re: Symphony X playing in the US.
by eckie@asu.edu
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3611
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3611
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
7) Re: The Seventh Ascending Pyramid of Apoco - Lips
by Anna & Heike Boedeker <boedeker@netcologne.de>
8) Re: rigs
by Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
9) Fender bad? *boggle*
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
10) Re: Rachtman
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net>
11) Re: Jason Beiler
by AlisOn Wonderland <kym@eagle.cc.ukans.edu>
12) Re: Symphony X playing in the US.
by drkhoe@limbo.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
13) Re: Memphis
by AlisOn Wonderland <kym@eagle.cc.ukans.edu>
14) SV: dt-concert, malmo, sweden
by "Wille Raab" <raab@mail.bip.net>
15) SV: Malmo Setlist, pretty unusual
by "Wille Raab" <raab@mail.bip.net>
16) joke
by Chris Calabrese <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
17) Satch...
by Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:15:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon74@injersey.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: KROCK
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.96.980304171239.27725C-100000@nj5.injersey.com>
What are you talking about? Everytme I turn on krock, I hear that new
ozzie tune that I just don't like. The one that starts out with the crappy
sounding keys. I could do a better keyboard part to that, at least if
you're going to use those chords, get a better sound. Man, I don't know
about Ozzie lately, his greatest hits CD , which I got for xmas, is preety
lousy imho. I used to have all hs albums up through his double live tape
that siad he was going to retire, and lost all my tapes, and haven't
followed since, but I am just really disappointed. KROCK needs to play
different music. Occassionally, I hear Rush, but it's limelight or Tom
Sawyer. And it's so rare, that it isn't even worth mentioning. If anybody
can pull thisstation in, try either 95.9, WRAT, if you live in South
Central Jersey, or 105.5 WDHA, which you can check out in realaudio on the
web at www.wdhafm.com, I think. They have played ynm a few times and sing
the praises of DT.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon74@injersey.com Keyboards, vocals, musical slut I'll play for money. Enquire if interested. "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, but glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, Spirit of Radio, 1980------------------------------
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:08:24 PST From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: tendonitus SDTC Message-ID: <199803042221.OAA18145@ktk6.SMARTT.COM>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 03/04/98 07:20am -0800
Hey,
It's good to see people talking about tendonitus. Playing guitar/bass/whatever isn't all fun and games. It's funny, I'm 22 now (23 this month) and I look back and how stupid I was. I've been playing bass since I was 13 and by the time I was 17, I could play any maiden song I wanted. That sounds great and all and believe me, I was quite aware of that fact, however, I went the wrong way about it.
A few of you have pointed this out before, going the wrong way about playing songs or your techniques or your practice time. I went 8 hours a day for about a year and a half straight. The 8 hours were broken up to accomodate for food, or homework etc...but I made it a point to always do that...that and I had no life at the time :) My biggest mistake, (bass players take note of this) was in my right hand work. I approached the strings from an angle, so my wrist would bend (at about 45 degrees or so, depends really) and I would play like that. You can imagine the strain on the wrist, so, I eventually developed tendonitus. I'm paying for it now but a wrist brace helps big time, same with doing the excercises (if anyone wants to know them, email me)
Playing a flashy style and so forth is great, I mean, it's what captures most peoples attention but don't do it if its going to threaten yourself. Someone pointed out, if it hurts stop (whoever said that, you shoulda been around me years ago).
Anyways, I wonder if JP, MP, or anyone else in the band, except for JLB has had these problems. You'd think they would of have their run-ins with this a few times.
Take care of yer bodies kiddies :)
Mark Smeets/Stranger0/HTML Guild Member/ICQ-#1062196 --------------------------------------- My plan to get rich next year: I'm forming a satanic boy band that will go under the name of Marilyn Hanson. http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/ - personal page http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/megadeth/ - Megadeth F.A.Q.
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:25:13 -0500 (EST) From: Damon Fibraio <damon74@injersey.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: dance of eternity boot Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.96.980304172442.27725E-100000@nj5.injersey.com>
Is there anybody here who can make me a copy of Dance of Eternity? I am curious to hear the version of ACOS on there.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon74@injersey.com Keyboards, vocals, musical slut I'll play for money. Enquire if interested. "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, but glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, Spirit of Radio, 1980
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 15:31:18 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Symphony X playing in the US. Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980304152758.284A-100000@general1.asu.edu>
> >I have some great news for the US fans. Symphony-X is scheduled to play > >at this years Powermad progressive/power metal festival on August 21-23, > >1998 in Baltimore. I'll be there for sure! For more info on this > >festival, check out http://websnet.com/global/.
Ahhhhh shiznit. If it wasn't so close to the beginnin' of the semester I'd consider headbangin' my way out east to catch that. Poop.
And how much longer can you possibly debate what kind of strokes are better? Egad! Play the damn geetar already! }:^3)>
~Eckie has his own kinda dick....er...pick stroking technique (it goes CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK BOOM CHICKIE BOOM CHICKIE BOOM!)
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:33:19 EST From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3611 Message-ID: <6d61f931.34fdd6b1@aol.com>
<< > I don't know that that's true. I thinka lot of pianists are self-taught > because the instrument is so easy to play. You hit a key, you get a note. I > think anyone who was around a piano at all growing up has at least a > rudimentary knowledge of how to play. >> i play piano and guitar, for about 12 years now, guitar is harder in some aspects, but with guitar if you want to play in C# you just move all your positions up one fret, and thats all the trouble you have, in piano its differnt, the notes are the same, but some scales are awkward to play, and to keep 2 different rhythms with each hand is more awkward. i think most pianists could probably play drums pretty well because of this
Rocky
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:38:44 EST From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3611 Message-ID: <5b63bd34.34fdd7f6@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-04 17:23:56 EST, the Rickster wrote:
<< >> (c). Where and when have they played shows ? > >I have some great news for the US fans. Symphony-X is scheduled to play >at this years Powermad progressive/power metal festival on August 21-23, >1998 in Baltimore. I'll be there for sure! For more info on this >festival, check out http://websnet.com/global/. >>
kickass, i'll definately go, if i can get other people to go with me.. everyone can come stay at my place i live in Baltimore =]
Rocky
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 23:44:54 +0100 From: Anna & Heike Boedeker <boedeker@netcologne.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: The Seventh Ascending Pyramid of Apoco - Lips Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980304234454.007df3f0@mail.netcologne.de>
Chris:
> I have never said that I consider economy picking to be inferior. >Only that it has its own problems (like Alternate picking) and since >MOST of my favorite players alternate pick, I'd rather not take my >chances. If you went to MI and never heard anyone knock economy >picking, then it must be a new era over there. I have friends and >former teachers who went to MI and I was told all kinds of stories >about people bashing other players for minor things like this. > As for it being cheating, I don't share this belief, but I've heard >and read interviews from many players who say it's "cheating" to >economy pick... and as I said, the only possible reason I can come up >with for this, is that those players think you should have to do the >same amount of work as they did to reach their speeds. Having done >both, I absolutely believe it is harder to alternate pick than >economy pick. Doesn't make one wrong and one right.
Thanks for posting this... I at times was on the verge of believing that we were discussing which technique was more like "politically correct"... :-)
The more interesting question is which are the drawbacks of a technique that at first sight seems so incomparably more *elegant*. Same still applies for "raking" on bass 'acourse. Funny thing, btw, is that this is roughly equivalent to how to go when bowing (an upright, a cello, whatever). What you do is what you get. No cheating possible. :-)
In another context you mentioned mental problems... I think this might be a clue, though I not too convinced yet that "simply practising enough" will help to overcome the physiological default that it is easier to control two movements of shorter duration than one of a slightly (as it's meant to provide greater speed) longer duration.
A different issue, though, is whether people just liked the specific articulation better. That was more of a matter of taste then. Or, in the ideal world one employed both techniques w/out ever getting confused. :-)
Another problem that had been raised was how deep to dig in... I personally stubbornly prefer to dig in quite a lot (resp. vary for a wider dynamic range's sake) just b/c I like the sound better (you betcha the setup of my "tools" is accordingly...). I've had endless senseless merely ideological (yeah!!) debates on this way back at school b/c everyone else recommended to play as light as a feather w/ only minimal movements. Though I agree on the fact that one should play w/ the wrist instead of the arm, alone for health reasons, but it also doesn't give you more speed or more strength. If the latter is your problem rather try Wiener Schnitzel and Loewenbraeu. :-)
Cheers,
Heike
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 18:10:56 -0500 From: Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: rigs Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980304181056.0069e140@scott.skidmore.edu>
>Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:41:32 -0800 (PST) >From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> >Subject: Re: Fender? >>>'81 Fender Precision Special w/maple fretboard and a rock maple body and >>>loaded with EMG P&J's and brass hardware. >><snip> >>>Playing it is like swinging a Caddy through the slalom, but it sounds like >>>a million bucks. Take that, you Ibanez cheaters! :) >> >>hahah!! Everybody laugh and point, he plays a fender!!! HAHAHAHAH!!!!!! >> > >hahahaha... you play a Fender and I play a Memphis... >hahaha..ha...ahaha... what's everybody looking at? > >Yeah, so I'm cheap -- it was my friends, and I don't mind the tone. ^_^ > >--Matt >
Actually this raises some questions and things I've been meaning to ask some of the guitar pros out there. I'm like no way near a pro, so I've got some important questions. Feel free to e-mail me privately on this, since it's NDTC.
First off: my set-up is.... Ibanez American Master (custom RG...essentially a JPM without the Picasso) from 91 or so, Peavey KB100 amp (keyboard amp, yes, I know), Boss Metal Zone pedal, <DEAD> Crybaby wah pedal
Well, I HATE my Floyd Rose bridge. Basically, the bridge was set up poorly, and now it's pretty dead. I am planning on getting either a new floating FR or maybe something else...I do use the trem occasionally, and I'd still like one, but FR's are such a pain in the ass.... Anyone have any suggestions?
This summer my plans are to work with someone to build a cabinet (hee hee...I have connections with professional audio system builders). I'm going to be putting a nice head in with an effects processor and a shit ton of speakers. Now...I'm really stupid, but I know I'm going to need a footswitch for this crap, but I have no clue how they work with the effects processor and stuff. Aside from that, anyone have any suggestions for amp/processor brands?
The wah...yeah...my crybaby died...it crackles. Anyway, I was thinking of getting an optical wah...what are people's favored wah pedals? (I'm looking for one that allows volume/wah, probably)
Well, I guess that's my long-winded list of DUH questions. Remember I'm a chick guitarist who has taught herself, so no one talks to me about guitars....
Thanks in advance to any kind soul who takes it into his (or her) heart to bitchslap me out of ignorance.
Erica
Erica Bonomi, ebonomi@skidmore.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Deedlit or Deedo on irc.dreamt.org 2112 emergency: pootersox@bonomi.connix.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.skidmore.edu/~ebonomi/ Check here for the mp3 of the week! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 18:08:31 -0500 From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net> To: Keeper of the Seven Ytses <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fender bad? *boggle* Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980304180831.0069dc68@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Vince remarked: >hahah!! Everybody laugh and point, he plays a fender!!! HAHAHAHAH!!!!!! >;)~
Hm. Let's see, how many of the following play or played Fenders?
Eric Clapton Joe Stump Eric Johnson Stevie Ray Vaughan Yngwie Malmsteen (oh no, not him again) :)
Anyone? Anyone? Oh, that's right -- it's all of them, innit?
:)
Ta, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired, gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals Currently playing: Scorpions -- "Pure Instinct"
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 18:05:51 -0500 From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Rachtman Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980304180551.006f0f58@postoffice.ptd.net>
Glenn wrote: >Come to think of it, Rikki should have stuck to >what he supposedly known best...Running his bar versus his mouth. He didn't >do his homework on many an interview.
I just remember watching the DT interview in '94, when he uttered the following (among other shtuff): "Uh, so what's with the long songs, guys?" and "So I heard you got rid of your keyboardist?"
Homework?! ;)
L8r, Brian
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:01:15 -0600 (CST) From: AlisOn Wonderland <kym@eagle.cc.ukans.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Jason Beiler Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95q.980304175733.12055B-100000@eagle.cc.ukans.edu>
> Does Jason Bieler's solo album sound like the last 2 kick albums...i was > looking at getting it but I was afraid that he may have gone experimental > on me.(not that that's a bad thing)
I have worshipped Beiler since the debut days, so I'll buy it as soon as I can find it (I've been way disconnected and didn't realize that he had a solo album out!) and let you all know.
-=AlisOn Wonderland=-
```'''```'''```'''```'''```'''```''' "Let us examine the road by which the fault has passed" - Victor Hugo, Les Miserables '''```'''```'''```''```'''```'''```'
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:05:12 -0800 From: drkhoe@limbo.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Symphony X playing in the US. Message-ID: <199803050005.QAA11689@limbo.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Rick Audet said: > >This just in from the Symphony X mailing list: > >>> (c). Where and when have they played shows ? >> >>I have some great news for the US fans. Symphony-X is scheduled to play >>at this years Powermad progressive/power metal festival on August 21-23, >>1998 in Baltimore. I'll be there for sure! For more info on this >>festival, check out http://websnet.com/global/. > >Rick Audet
That remains to be seen...
-The Doc
-- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: drkhoe@gmsnet.com #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:07:36 -0600 (CST) From: AlisOn Wonderland <kym@eagle.cc.ukans.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Memphis Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95q.980304180529.12055C-100000@eagle.cc.ukans.edu>
Don't knock the Memphis. My first was a Memphis and after new pick ups and tuning pegs, my baby so elite. New pickups aren't too expensive. Is it a full scale? It's the only 3/4 I still have from when I was a kid.
-=AlisOn=-
```'''```'''```'''```'''```'''```''' "Let us examine the road by which the fault has passed" - Victor Hugo, Les Miserables '''```'''```'''```''```'''```'''```'
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 01:23:06 +0100 From: "Wille Raab" <raab@mail.bip.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: SV: dt-concert, malmo, sweden Message-ID: <025423027000538MAIL1@mail.bip.net>
> DT in Malmo, Sweden
DT in Stockholm, Sweden.. :-)
> The whole thing got off with Vanden Plaas. Kinda cool, pity you couldn't
Do you know if they're the ones who played in Sthlm too? I think they (sthlm nissarna =) were great, totally wonderfull! :-)
> The percussionist was looking absolutely insane
Sounds like them , yes.. =)
> They played for... to tell you the truth, I have no idea. I lost track of > time and space the same time they started off by playing Take the Time. It > was absolutely fabulous. If you ask me, the show went flawless.
Same thing in Stockholm.. I've been too a lot of consert, both small and BIG, and I must say that this was the greatest yet. By far, that is...
Maybe a little more "direct contact" with the audience would be nice.. but... Whoaaaa! :-) 1999? I'll be there... Sooner? I'll be there! Right now, I'm looking forward to the next Iron Maiden tour, and Hultsfred -98 (Black Sabbath.. Havn't seen them yet!!)
> Best of all, afterwards, we got to meet THE band... Well, almost THE (...) > Anyway, I got my poster signed and shook hands with the four of them. Most > excellent... Still I wonder, where did Petrucci go ?
gnurflgh! :-)
// Moose
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 01:26:18 +0100 From: "Wille Raab" <raab@mail.bip.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: SV: Malmo Setlist, pretty unusual Message-ID: <025f03227000538MAIL1@mail.bip.net>
> Here's the setlist from the malmo show, it's pretty unusual
Anyone who can tell me the setlist from Sthlm? I were there, but as allways - I don't remember when they played what...
> Encore medley: > Metropolis > LtL > The Crimson Sunset > Fortune In Lies
They played this... Ended the thing with only a few seconds from the begining of Fortune In Lies, that was ... nice..... :-)
// Moose
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 19:37:51 -0500 From: Chris Calabrese <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: joke Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980304193749.006f97c4@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
cbowsma@pop3.utoledo.edu wrote:
>i used to date this girl, and one day i came home, and she had her bags >packed and was about to leave. i asked her, "Why are you leaving?" She >replied, "I heard you were a pedophile." and i responded, "Wow...thats a >pretty big word for an 8 year old."
You are one sick motherfucker! I know this list is a forum for all walks of life, but in my opinion this list is no place for fucking child molestors who date 8 year old girls!! You think you're pretty big over the Internet, eh? Well I've got news for you, asshole! I just got off the phone with the University of Toledo, and the police there, and they're launching a FUCKING investigation! And if that fails, I'll find where you live and personally shove your head up your ass and feed you to the cops like a dunkin' fuckin' donut!
You and your kind make me sick! Oh, and if you want to settle this like a man (which I doubt you will), you can contact me at any of the following:
Email? ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu Mail? Chris Calabrese 706 East Tower Ithaca College 953 Danby Rd. Ithaca, NY 14850 How about the phone? (607) 375-4100 I'll give you directions to here so we can settle it like men!
Take your pick!
** Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> **
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 19:41:31 -0500 From: Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Satch... Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980304194123.006f97c4@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Got the new Satch today... I wasn't really planning on getting it (I'm so much looking forward to LTE, and was disappointed by his last album), but I heard some good reviews here the past couple of days, and was near an HMV so on a whim I went and picked it up.
Well, I'm sure glad I did! I'm only halfway through the CD right now, and it's definitely the best Satch I've heard (I also have Surfing, The Extremist, and Flying)! Can't wait for LTE.
** Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> **
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