YTSEJAM Digest 3620
Today's Topics:
1) Drums
by mccurdy@kennametal.ibmmail.com
2) EMJ
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
3) Re: CD-RW
by Jim Suplizio <jim.suplizio@GSC.GTE.com>
4) FYI
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
5) LIE on VH-1 Europe
by "CP Parnham" <C.P.Parnham-97@student.lboro.ac.uk>
6) New Satch / FII / Stuff
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
7) Yes - the vocals are painful.
by "Robert O'Doherty" <r.odoherty@mvt.ie>
8) YTSEJAM digest 3619 (yup, that's the subject)
by Coop42 <Coop42@aol.com>
9) Re: LtL
by "Joshua B. Wingell" <wingell@alctrz.ENET.dec.com>
10) Led Zep orchestrally, Anna Lee live
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
11) Oh no
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
12) Re: Yes - the vocals are painful.
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
13) Re: Oh no
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
14) DT clinic pictures
by calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro)
15) Ytsejam Fantasy Baseball League (fwd)
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
16) picks and strings
by ALI ABBAS <a.abbas@lancaster.ac.uk>
17) Re: Led Zep orchestrally
by Sharan Volin <sharan@pobox.com>
18) Re: Ytsedigest 3619
by ALI ABBAS <a.abbas@lancaster.ac.uk>
19) Raise the Knife
by Matthew Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 07:16:29 EST
From: mccurdy@kennametal.ibmmail.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Drums
Message-ID: <199803061217.EAA19828@odin.ax.com>
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In Guitar/Keyboard Jam =C43616, Greg wrote:
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>Sabian cymbals he doesnt use Zildijan I know one cause one I met mike
>portnoy and i read his Modern Drummer interview
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It is true that MP plays only Sabian cymbals, but Shawn play most=
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Zildjian's. My apology if I confused anyone, but I thought that it was
apparent that I was listing the equipment that I used :) And I wonder wh=
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everyone makes fun of drummers...?
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Back to your regularly scheduled Guitar vs. Keyboard discussion.
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See-ya,
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 04:37:54 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: EMJ Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-980306123754Z-29305@ms.Kallback.com>
>(in the vein of Emerson, Moore and Johansson) Now THERE'S a supergroup I'd like to see! Trevor >
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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 08:07:59 -0500 From: Jim Suplizio <jim.suplizio@GSC.GTE.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: CD-RW Message-ID: <34FFF52F.3C19@GSC.GTE.com>
Please respond to me off the list. I just purchased a CD-RW and I was wondering if anyone would be willing to answer some questions. I'm having a few problems.
Jim
-- "We are all books of blood, as soon as we're open we're red" --Clive Barker
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 05:16:36 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'DT'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FYI Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-980306131636Z-29324@ms.Kallback.com>
Knights of the Round has Altura-Mercy and Bozzio,Levins, Stevens-Black Light Symphony on sale for $9.99 each.
I looked around MBahr's page and couldn't find the page with all the descriptions of all the DT boots. Is it gone? Trevor
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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 13:48:33 +0000 From: "CP Parnham" <C.P.Parnham-97@student.lboro.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: LIE on VH-1 Europe Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980306134833.0090d920@student-mailin.lboro.ac.uk>
Hello EUROPEAN 'Jammers! It's a bit late to post this but Lie will be the very first video on The Friday Night Rock Show on VH-! for Europe only (Sorry, my across-the-Atlantic friends!). I just thought I'd mention that...By the way, it starts at 12 midnight (UK time!). See ya, Chris Parnham ICQ# 5714076 IRC: Insania
_________________________________________________________________________ Please check out my local Rock band STORMWATCH at <http://www.vinyltap.co.uk/storm.html> They're gonna be BIG!!!
When autumn leaves are falling, When twilight's here at last, When time seems never ending, When present turns to past, When hopes are all we live for, When eyes are closed at night, When happiness forever is When dream and day unite.....
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:09:28 -0500 From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New Satch / FII / Stuff Message-ID: <5FF8E39ABAB3D111A4E100600808ACE5020E2D@HAMSXHA2>
Yeah, I have a new email address. Sue me. :)
I bought the new Satriani last night. Honestly, even though I *love* the man, and think he's one of the most talented musicians ever, this album is terribly disappointing. The only songs that grabbed me were 'Raspberry Jam Delta-V' and 'Ceremony' - other than that, nothing really stood out at me as being the Satch that I know and love. Maybe it's his sound that's turning me off of him (his sound, IMO, is really bad), or maybe it's the fact that the songs just kinda wander aimlessly without making a point... I don't know. I'm just disappointed that I didn't get, I think, my money's worth on this album.
You know what DID impress me about it, though? Jeff Campitelli. Man, he's awesome. What a good sound they got for him.
And you know what else? I think the reason that I think FII is the best thing that DT has ever put out is the fact that they now can groove. I mean, they've found ---> THE GROOVE <---. What? An example, you ask? Listen to the bass and drums in Derek's solo in ToT. I was blasting this the other day and I was just thinking to myself, "Man. NONE of their other albums have this! This is friggin' insane!!" Every band should learn to be this good. Any thoughts?
MASSACHUSETTS / NEW ENGLAND JAMMERS:
Joe Satriani will be at the Tower Burlington Store on March 22nd at 3:00 PM (it is a Sunday). He'll be doing the autograph thing, and you can enter to win one of his guitars (it's black and hanging on the wall, and it actually looks pretty good in the display there). The place will probably be packed to the gills with people, but hey - it'll be a good time nonetheless. Anyone who's met Satch knows that he's a super nice guy (I partied with him once), and it's worth meeting him.
Me, I'm gonna ask him to sign my G3, "To Nick. Yours, Mr. Clean" :)
Nicholas Giannotti giannottin@hanscom.af.mil "Anyone who believes in psychokineses, please raise my right hand."
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:18:36 -0000 From: "Robert O'Doherty" <r.odoherty@mvt.ie> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Yes - the vocals are painful. Message-ID: <61F3B4EC9D23D11181A0006097AD1D73126588@skylight.mvt.ie>
Brief thoughts...
I bought Yes' Drama about 6 months ago having heard all about their progressive roots and technical ability. The music is brillient but the vocals... dear God the vocals are rotten. Chris Squire is a class bassists; I regularly play along to that album from beginning to end but the vocals.....
Anyway, I got a copy of Hightlights - ok music, a bit airy-fairy but the vocals are brutal.
Yesterday, I bought Magna Carta's Tales of Yesterday. This is alot better. All the magic of their music with passable vocals. Robert Berry's "Roundabout" is excellent. I didn't like Shadow Gallerys cover; the vocals were probably accuratley recreated but it hurt me to listen to them - the music was excellent though.
Is this a common complaint of Yes' music?
Rob.
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:26:07 EST From: Coop42 <Coop42@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 3619 (yup, that's the subject) Message-ID: <72dcc1ee.35000781@aol.com>
Now THAT was a nice digest! The Japanese HY single, the MP & JP clinics, the show in Helsinki and some other talk about Dream Theater related topics. Thanks to everyone who contributed.
Can you tell I'm not a musician? ;-)
Take Care, Andreas Berger
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 98 09:29:04 EST From: "Joshua B. Wingell" <wingell@alctrz.ENET.dec.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: LtL Message-ID: <9803061429.AA25567@us7rmc.bb.dec.com>
>>Here's the setlist from the malmo show, it's pretty unusual
>>LtL > >Thank you lord, thou hast blessed us, DT has played LtL live on this tour. >Maybe that means Ill get to see it when the come around to the west coast. >I would be able to die happily then. > >Jon
You said it, man. Despite it being an awesome show (and me grabbing a Petrucci pick :), I was so disappointed when they didn't play LtL in Rochester, NY on their I&W tour. WFS and LtL are my 2 favorite Dream Theater songs, if you can really call them 2 distinct songs. Take the Time is probably right behind those 2.
I am listening to Crystal Planet right now. You guys were right, Satch is back! :-) He was great when I saw him on the G3 tour, even if his guitar did blind me! :-) Btw, according to the person at Newburry Comics where my roommate and I bought our tickets, we got the last 2 seats in the house at their Boston show! She might have been kidding, but its still a cool thing to brag about ;-)
With all the cool music suggestions lately, I have had to make a ytse-recommended music list.
Hey, any idea why Working Man is listed as $35.99 on CDNOW? Is it a 2 CD set, or just out of print?
Josh
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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 08:42:25 -0600 From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Led Zep orchestrally, Anna Lee live Message-ID: <35000B51.7A90@auburn.net>
I'm visiting my grandmother in Jacksonville, Florida, in 2 weeks, and she's invited me to go see the Jax symphony with her. I said "Yes" very emphatically. Then she told me that they are doing Led Zeppelin. Has anyone here seen or heard this done before? I've been a Zep fan for years, but....
I'm in the minority, being that I actually like Anna Lee. It's great to see that they've played it live recently. Here's to hoping they'll do it when they get back to the states this summer. And maybe Nightmare Cinema can do "Burn" instead of "Perfect Strangers." I can already hear James singing "All I hear...BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!"
:)
Mark Peters swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:55:49 -0500 (EST) From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net> To: Under a Glass Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Oh no Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980306095209.27683A-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Mike Z. remarked: > My name is Mike (newcomer). I don't know if anyone know anything about > Empty Tremor, a new prog band.
Oh no, not another one....isn't Arash enough? :) :)
Just kidding. Welcome to the 'Jam, Mike.
> Anyway here is a part of an e-mail I > got from them, it might interest some of you.
Most of the people on this list have already gotten this via email, no doubt. I saw at least five other ytsejammers (that I recognized) on the list of recipients when I got it myself.
Ta, Phil
===================================================================== Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal) Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach Currently playing: Steve Morse Band -- "Coast to Coast"
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:17:44 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Yes - the vocals are painful. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980306121149.10756F-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Robert O'Doherty wrote:
> I bought Yes' Drama about 6 months ago having heard all about their > progressive roots and technical ability. The music is brillient but the > vocals... dear God the vocals are rotten. Chris Squire is a class > bassists; I regularly play along to that album from beginning to end but > the vocals.....
Hey, I'm trying to get into Yes also, and I agree that the worst part about it are Jon Anderson's vocals and the vocal harmonies. I don't know exactly what is the point that makes it very hard to get into, but I think that the falsettos are the main reason.
But I keep wondering, because I like a lot of music that has falsettos...
I really, really prefer those wicked, weird instrumental passages. The weirder, the better. :-))) Yeah!
But I think that J. Anderson's vocals can get more and more acceptable with some listens, but I definitely think you won't end up loving his vocals -- only accepting them.
> Yesterday, I bought Magna Carta's Tales of Yesterday. This is alot > better. All the magic of their music with passable vocals. Robert > Berry's "Roundabout" is excellent. I didn't like Shadow Gallerys cover; > the vocals were probably accuratley recreated but it hurt me to listen > to them - the music was excellent though.
Oh, sorry for the ignorance, but is this a tribute to Yes (that's what I understand from this paragraph)???
> Is this a common complaint of Yes' music?
Don't know if it's common, but I also suffer with this...
> Rob.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:22:33 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Oh no Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980306122000.10756G-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Phil Carter wrote:
> Currently playing: Steve Morse Band -- "Coast to Coast"
Wow, man!
I listened to this album only once and was completely blown away by the music! Really incredible stuff, with that "Petrucci Sound" (of course, I know that Petrucci has borrowed a lot of elements from Steve Morse, but hey, everyone makes comparison to already known elements and that was the first time I heard Steve Morse:-) ).
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 11:34:22 -0500 From: calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT clinic pictures Message-ID: <3501770E.996C604B@caribe.net>
Can anyone either repost or email me the URL for the DT clinic pics ??
ThanX!!
mailto:calfaro@caribe.net
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:48:00 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ytsejam Fantasy Baseball League (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980306104749.8600K-100000@bdmserver>
Subject: Ytsejam Fantasy Baseball League
I've started up the Ytsejam Fantasy Baseball League
to join go to: http://games-espn.sportszone.com/flb/promo/
buy a team then join a group with: groupname: Ytsejam Fantasy Baseball password: majesty
It is a one time fee of $30 to play (its less if you are an espn subscriber, or do Fantasy honey or basketball). After that all roster moves, waivers, free agents, trades dont cost anything extra. Everything is automated.
a few of us did it last year so don't miss your chance. I think there is a 10 team limit for the league so join up soon. The draft is March 28.
any questions, email me.
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:49:43 +0000 (GMT) From: ALI ABBAS <a.abbas@lancaster.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: picks and strings Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980306152615.24916A-100000@unixb.lancs.ac.uk>
hiya guys, just a short note for Rob re:ytsedigest 3618. My lead guitarist plays a Yamaha Pacifica and basically uses 0.010s most of the time (also used D'Addario 0.008s while jamming etc.). As far as picks go, they're just the big Dunlap stubbies (I'm sorry I don't know the size). He's basically into a lot of shredding and we are a guitar-based band. Some of the covers we did may give you a better picture of the kind of stuff he plays with the combo above:
1)Stressfest (Morse) 2)For the Love of God (Vai) 3)UaGM (DT) 4)Black Magic (Reb Beach)
However, after seeing a lot of bands I basically feel that you can get the best results out of the stuff you're really used to. It's probably a good idea to stick to your original combo (which, btw, sounds good to me) and build on it unless you can find a big difference with another one. But hey, I'm a guitar illiterate and there's no shortage of axemeisters on the jam who can give you the best possible advice. I look forward to seeing their ideas. Just sharing, @66@$
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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 10:56:05 -0500 From: Sharan Volin <sharan@pobox.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Led Zep orchestrally Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980306105605.00833530@mail.dm.net>
At 06:56 AM 3/6/98 -0800, you wrote: > >I'm visiting my grandmother in Jacksonville, Florida, in 2 weeks, and >she's invited me to go see the Jax symphony with her. I said "Yes" very >emphatically. Then she told me that they are doing Led Zeppelin. Has >anyone here seen or heard this done before? I've been a Zep fan for >years, but.... > If this is on March 20, Randy Jackson from Zebra will be playing with them. I see him live a lot here on Long Island (he's local) both with Zebra and solo (acoustic), and he's a very talented singer and guitarist, and does a DAMN good job of covering Led Zeppelin!:) It should be an interesting show!
BTW, if you want more information, the official Zebra web page is http://www.thedoor.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- Sharan Volin sharan@pobox.com http://pobox.com/~sharan Musicians Online: http://pobox.com/~sharan/musiconline/ Local Rock: http://pobox.com/~localrock/localrock.html -------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:01:46 +0000 (GMT) From: ALI ABBAS <a.abbas@lancaster.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Ytsedigest 3619 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980306155421.24916B-100000@unixb.lancs.ac.uk>
Graham Borland wrote: >The easiest instrument to learn is the microphone. You just make noises into it.
You, sir, are a cad and a ruffian. I truly resent that remark and challenge thee (slap! slap! of leather gloves on yer mug) to a joust where I shall well and truly baste thee. Has anyone perchance espied a copy of that verily cool recording 'Crystal Planet' in UK stores? See ya later, @66@$
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:18:08 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Raise the Knife Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980306121618.89532A-100000@archa12.cc.uga.edu>
Hey all-- I've asked and asked in different places but never received an answer as to what "Raise the Knife" sounds like. Hopefully some ytse-jammers can help my curiosity. Thanks!
Matt Smith ktulu@arches.uga.edu
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