YTSEJAM Digest 3621
Today's Topics:
1) economy picking
by Jonathan Robertson <s1028419@umsl.edu>
2) Re: Raise the Knife
by eckie@asu.edu
3) Where can I get the black pics?
by "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US>
4) Re: Yes vocals...
by Steve Chew <schew@tis.com>
5) DT gig, stuff
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
6) Crystal Planet, Jon Anderson, trademark sound
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3620
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
8) Myung Bass Video!
by "JEFFREY T CLINE" <JCLINE@toltec.astate.edu>
9) Working Man ? WTF ?
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
10) re: Yes - the vocals are painful.
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3616
by Angellaa <Angellaa@aol.com>
12) Bass on FII
by "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
13) Re: Yes - the vocals are painful.
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
14) Picks and Strings
by someone@prognosis.com
15) Yes - the vocals are NOT painful!
by "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
16) Re: Alternica on MTV March 21st (fwd)
by Der Herr Bodinger <bodinger@rocketmail.com>
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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 11:16:13 -0600
From: Jonathan Robertson <s1028419@umsl.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: economy picking
Message-ID: <35002F5D.6374@umsl.edu>
I'm still not convinced about that economy picking thing. For example,
how would play something like this
--15--12----12----------
---------15----15--12---
or the end of innocence faded
-----------------------------------------------------
---------------------5--9------------8--12--8---------
--------------------------8--11--8--------------------
--9--6---6--9---6--9--------------9----------12--9---
-------7------7-------------------------------------10
-------------------------------------------------------
or a simple pattern like this
---------9-------9-------9-------9
---7--10---7--10---7--10---7--10----
without using alternate picking. I just don't think you could get the
same
kind of speed.
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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 10:52:47 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Raise the Knife
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980306104705.2779A-100000@general1.asu.edu>
On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Matthew Smith inquired:
> I've asked and asked in different places but never received an answer as
> to what "Raise the Knife" sounds like. Hopefully some ytse-jammers can
> help my curiosity. Thanks!
Well, the copy I have off of Precious Things, it fades in with Petrucci
pickin' some harmonics as he's slidin' up the neck, so imagine his guitar
goin',
plink Plink PLink PLINK, DA DUNT DAAAAA DADUNT DA crunch crunch duh duh DA
and it's not too long before the drums kick in with
badiloom BAH, boom chickachick, boom boom chickalachick....
and then the keyboard go over that riff with
Ding, dingding doodily ding badoom bah, DING, dingding doodily ding
badoom bah...
then Petrucci goes into this really greasy solo and well...I'm sure
somebody out there's got this puppy in mp3...if not, I have an mp3
producer and the CD...so mebbe I could make one for ya?
~Eckie knows diddly
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:59:01 -0600
From: "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Where can I get the black pics?
Message-ID: <41303F74D60DD111B56500609778A79C11EDE6@chipola.cc.fl.us>
All of the recent discussions about pics lately brought a startling
revelation: there are black Jazz III pics. I've only found the red
ones (through mail order...Musician's Friend). None of the local stores
seem to carry them.
Does anybody know where I can order (through mail) to get the black Jazz
III pics? Is there much difference between the black and red?
Feel free to email since this really isn't Dream Theater content.
Thanks for any help!
The MadTabber
bvaughn@snowhill.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:13:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Steve Chew <schew@tis.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Yes vocals...
Message-ID: <199803061813.NAA19019@clipper.hq.tis.com>
>
>> I bought Yes' Drama about 6 months ago having heard all about their
>> progressive roots and technical ability. The music is brillient but the
>> vocals... dear God the vocals are rotten. Chris Squire is a class
>> bassists; I regularly play along to that album from beginning to end but
>> the vocals.....
>
> Hey, I'm trying to get into Yes also, and I agree that the worst
>part about it are Jon Anderson's vocals and the vocal harmonies. I don't
>know exactly what is the point that makes it very hard to get into, but I
>think that the falsettos are the main reason.
>
> But I keep wondering, because I like a lot of music that has
>falsettos...
>
> I really, really prefer those wicked, weird instrumental passages.
>The weirder, the better. :-))) Yeah!
>
> But I think that J. Anderson's vocals can get more and more
>acceptable with some listens, but I definitely think you won't end up
>loving his vocals -- only accepting them.
>
Oh geez, can I weep now? I absolutely love Jon Anderson's vocals...
I have to admit though that when I first heard them they kind of turned me
off. But, after listening to more Yes I came to love his vocals--and they're
especially powerful live. His voice fits the Yes music amazingly well
(IMHO) and takes it to new heights.
Just FYI, Jon Anderson's vocals are *not* falsetto. That's his
natural voice--it's just very high pitched. Also, Jon did not sing on
Drama so the vocals on that album are a bit different than on the other
Yes albums.
Give it some time. Try their albums like "Fragile" or "Close to
the Edge" or if you like newer style stuff, "90125" or "Keys to Ascension 2".
Jon Anderson's vocals aren't for everyone, but I think that if you give
them some more time, you'll come to enjoy them.
Steve
P.S. I do also enjoy the covers of the Yes tunes on "Tales from Yesterday",
especially the Robert Berry cover of "Roundabout".
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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 10:36:19 PST
From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT gig, stuff
Message-ID: <19980306183619.28685.qmail@hotmail.com>
Although James said at the end of their gig that they´ll be playing in
Finland again in next year, I chatted with Portnoy after the show and he
said that they´ll play here again this summer. :-)
This has probably been posted before but it can´t hurt to say it
again:John M. said after the gig that Metropolis pt.2 will be on their
next album, not as an EP.
-Vilzu-
"Johnny go go, I am, Johnny go go, I am , Johnny go go, I am fishface"
Mike Portnoy at his clinic in Helsinki.
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:38:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
To: Under a Glass Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Crystal Planet, Jon Anderson, trademark sound
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980306131550.29616G-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Nick G told us:
> I bought the new Satriani last night. Honestly, even though I *love* the
> man, and think he's one of the most talented musicians ever, this album is
> terribly disappointing. The only songs that grabbed me were 'Raspberry Jam
> Delta-V' and 'Ceremony' - other than that, nothing really stood out at me as
> being the Satch that I know and love. Maybe it's his sound that's turning me
> off of him (his sound, IMO, is really bad)
I find this interesting because this is the main complaint I had with the
"Joe Satriani" album. "Crystal Planet" is so much better in that respect,
because Joe's trademark tone just blasts at you in every song. Listen to
the emotion and feel of "Love Thing" or the pure wailing shred of
"Ceremony" or the heavy groove of "Up in the Sky" -- it's all purely,
uniquely Satch.
>, or maybe it's the fact that the
> songs just kinda wander aimlessly without making a point...
Are you *sure* you didn't pick up the self-titled disc by mistake? :) :)
Rogerio remarked:
> But I think that J. Anderson's vocals can get more and more
> acceptable with some listens, but I definitely think you won't end up
> loving his vocals -- only accepting them.
*Bzzt*. Thank you for playing. I do happen to love Anderson's vocals -- he
puts a lot of feel and passion into them, IMHO.
Rogerio also commended me on my choice of music :)
> > Currently playing: Steve Morse Band -- "Coast to Coast"
>
> I listened to this album only once and was completely blown away
> by the music! Really incredible stuff, with that "Petrucci Sound" (of
> course, I know that Petrucci has borrowed a lot of elements from Steve
> Morse, but hey, everyone makes comparison to already known elements and
> that was the first time I heard Steve Morse:-) ).
That's also kind of funny, because I think that Morse is one of the few
players out there with a fingerprint sound that is absolutely and
completely his own. I also include Satch, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Eric
Johnson, Steve Vai, Eddie Van Halen, Joe Perry and Tony MacAlpine in this
group -- but I don't think that Petrucci has quite developed his own sound
yet. He's damn close, though.
> From: Matthew Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
Cool, another Athens ytsejammer. And a Metallica fan...oops, I said the
M-word. :)
Ta,
Phil
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Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
Currently playing: Rush -- "Hemispheres"
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 98 10:50:18 -0800
From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3620
Message-ID: <199803061848.KAA18054@network-services.uoregon.edu>
>> I bought Yes' Drama about 6 months ago having heard all about their
>> progressive roots and technical ability. The music is brillient but the
>> vocals... dear God the vocals are rotten. Chris Squire is a class
>> bassists; I regularly play along to that album from beginning to end but
>> the vocals.....
>
> Hey, I'm trying to get into Yes also, and I agree that the worst
>part about it are Jon Anderson's vocals and the vocal harmonies. I don't
>know exactly what is the point that makes it very hard to get into, but I
>think that the falsettos are the main reason.
Now...just a few clarifications, but they've probably been dealt with.
Drama does _not_ have Jon Anderson on it...and it's the only Yes album
that _doesn't_ have Anderson, so buy something else before judging Yes.
They take awhile to get into. I would recommend buying the album
"Fragile" or "Close to the Edge" (CTTE for the real prog fans) Chris
Squire _is_ great. The album "The Yes Album" is also great...but it
doesn't feature Rick Wakeman, so, be that as it may. If you like live
material, buy "Yessongs," which is a great 2CD set. Oh...and by the way,
I'm almost positive that Jon Anderson _doesn't_ use falsetto. His voice
is naturally that way :) Scary! Actually, I really like his voice, but it
does take time to get into. Just some thoughts.
Andrew
+-------------------------------------------+
Andrew Embler - aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu
http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~aembler/
+-------------------------------------------+
Random Frank Zappa Quote:
"Jazz is not dead...it just smells funny."
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:08:55 CST
From: "JEFFREY T CLINE" <JCLINE@toltec.astate.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Myung Bass Video!
Message-ID: <22CC52A4BC7@TOLTEC.astate.edu>
Hey fellow jammers. I am a bass player in a Progressive Metal
band named Immortal Soul. John Myung is without a doubt one of my
biggest influences. So obviously when I heard that he had an
instructional video coming out I was thrilled. I've called several
mail order companies and no one seems to have it. If anyone owns this
video please e-mail me personaly at jcline@toltec.astate.edu and let
me know what this video is like and where you got it from. Thanks,
.
Jeff Cline
jcline@toltec.astate.edu
www.immortalsoul.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:01:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Working Man ? WTF ?
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980306135807.24389B-100000@voyager.cris.com>
Joshua B. Wingell wrote:
> Hey, any idea why Working Man is listed as $35.99 on CDNOW? Is it a
> 2 CD set, or just out of print?
Looks like you found yourself an import verion on Bullet Proof Records,
whatever that's all about. Interestingly, CDUniverse has the domestic
version (US) for $12.93 and a UK version on Sequel Records for a whopping
$36.95. It's a single CD and is still in print (I assume) to answer your
question.
Rick Audet
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:53:45 -0700
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Yes - the vocals are painful.
Message-ID: <v01540b03b125f60338f4@[205.134.227.235]>
"Robert O'Doherty" <r.odoherty@mvt.ie> wrote;
>I bought Yes' Drama about 6 months ago having heard all about their
>progressive roots and technical ability. The music is brillient but the
>vocals... dear God the vocals are rotten. Chris Squire is a class
>bassists; I regularly play along to that album from beginning to end but
>the vocals....
Drama is the only album that does not have Jon Anderson. Trever Horn (Art
Of Noise) does all vocals and Chris Squire does the backing vocals. Horn is
not that bad but you may get used to Jon Anderson's trademark for Yes.
>Yesterday, I bought Magna Carta's Tales of Yesterday. This is alot
>better. All the magic of their music with passable vocals. Robert
>Berry's "Roundabout" is excellent. I didn't like Shadow Gallerys cover;
>the vocals were probably accuratley recreated but it hurt me to listen
>to them - the music was excellent though.
A lot better than Drama or a lot better than Yes?
>Is this a common complaint of Yes' music?
I would not think so.
Take care,
AE
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:49:10 EST
From: Angellaa <Angellaa@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3616
Message-ID: <c2017e9d.35005338@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-05 16:05:39 EST, you write:
<<
And anybody who lives their lives according to the names other people
give 'em immediately goes "BA A A A A A AH" whenever a nearby electric sheer
is turned on. Kevin Moore's cool. Ask any female Dream Theater
fan. Derek Sherinian..well, he needs some work, but he could be just as
cool, if not cooler }:^). I have a lot of respect for anybody who can
play well on any instrument and convey whatever emotions effectively, and
you should too! :) I've even heard some damn fine bagpipe work that
made me a little teary eyed.
>>
i totally agree with you
Angella
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:49:58 -0800
From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bass on FII
Message-ID: <199803061951.LAA20676@baygate.bayarea.net>
> Bass - This is a hard one. The worst is definitely WDADU (did he use a pick
> on this one?), but that is the case with most of the instruments on that
> album. FII has some good bass sounds, but so does Awake and IAW. I would
> have to research this one a bit more.
Even though you're talking more about tone than about the mix, I have
to jump in here and say that I think that FII is the first full
length DT album on which the bass is mixed properly. As much as I
love Images & Words, you really have to strain to hear the bass
through most of the album. Awake is a little better, but the bass is
still a bit too far back in the mix for my tastes. WDADU also has
the bass mixed a bit low. But on FII, the bass is right where it
should be. It is loud enough in the mix to be easily heard, but not
so loud as to dominate over the other instruments. The very first
time I listened to Falling Into Infinity, I said to myself "finally,
a Dream Theater album where you can really hear John Myung play!"
Also, I like the tone of John Myung's bass on FII a lot better than
on previous albums (and I think that it is a tone that has more of a
tendency to stand out, which would partially explain why the bass is
easier to hear on FII). Overall, I think that the mix on FII is the
best of any DT album. My only complaint is that I would like the
keys to be louder in places.
(I didn't comment on A Change of Seasons here because I haven't
listened to it in a while.)
-Paul
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humm@levy.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:56:38 -0700
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Yes - the vocals are painful.
Message-ID: <v01540b04b125f6f170bd@[205.134.227.235]>
Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> wrote;
>> I bought Yes' Drama about 6 months ago having heard all about their
>> progressive roots and technical ability. The music is brillient but the
>> vocals... dear God the vocals are rotten. Chris Squire is a class
>> bassists; I regularly play along to that album from beginning to end but
>> the vocals.....
>
> Hey, I'm trying to get into Yes also, and I agree that the worst
>part about it are Jon Anderson's vocals and the vocal harmonies. I don't
>know exactly what is the point that makes it very hard to get into, but I
>think that the falsettos are the main reason.
You may have to check again that Drama DOES NOT have Jon Anderson on
vocals, Roger.
Take care,
AE
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:08:01 +0000
From: someone@prognosis.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Picks and Strings
Message-ID: <199803062005.MAA25181@odin.ax.com>
> From: ALI ABBAS <a.abbas@lancaster.ac.uk>
> Subject: picks and strings
Most shredders use heavy/extra heavy picks, because they give you
more control (You control the dynamics by the pressure you use,
instead of by the flexibility of the pick). I use Fender Extra Heavy
because they're cheap, decent, and readily available just about
anywhere (and I don't much like little picks).
You can shred on any strings. I use .009's on my 6 string with the
tremolo, and .010's on my 7 string (on which I don't use the trem).
Todd Duane uses heavy strings and shreds at lunatic speeds on a
Fender Telecaster, just to scare people. It all depends on how much
you work at it.
Oh... and I think I found a common lick that forces even economy
pickers to alternate pick... but I'll discuss that with Cal, later.
It's not monumental, and we've beaten the dead horse out of that shit
already. :)
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass."
- Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:06:33 -0800
From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yes - the vocals are NOT painful!
Message-ID: <199803062008.MAA27111@baygate.bayarea.net>
> I bought Yes' Drama about 6 months ago having heard all about their
> progressive roots and technical ability. The music is brillient but the
> vocals... dear God the vocals are rotten. Chris Squire is a class
> bassists; I regularly play along to that album from beginning to end but
> the vocals.....
Well, you know what you did, don't you? You went out and bought the
one and only Yes album that does not feature the amazing vocal
talents of Jon Anderson. I strongly recommend that you listen to The
Yes Album, Fragile, Close to the Edge, Relayer, or Going for the One,
and then re-evaluate your opinion.
-Paul
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humm@levy.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:44:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Der Herr Bodinger <bodinger@rocketmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Alternica on MTV March 21st (fwd)
Message-ID: <19980306204428.25788.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com>
---Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi, there...
>
> This is some information about "that" band (below my signature).
> Some of you may be interested, some of you may not.
>
> If you are interested and end up taping this, I'd really love to
> get a HiFi videotape of this show... If you're interested in getting
> something from me, let me know and we can surely work out a trade.
>
>
> []s, Roger...
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:56:07 -0500 (EST)
> ]From: Jeff Holland <jeholla2@vt.edu>
> Subject: 'alternica' on MTV March 21st
>
> Just saw this on the MetClub website in the "MetNews" section:
>
>
> *90 minute live show on MTV, March 21st.
> *Show will be shot in the Bay area during Metallica's rehearsal for
the
> upcoming
> Pacific Rim tour.
> *Show will air at 10 pm EST and again at 10 pm PST.
>
sorry, roger, I just have to say that i wouldn't want to waste a tape
that could be better used to record pro wrestling...
an alternica show, plus it's on eMpTyV...as if i needed more reason
not to record it...hee hee...
this alternica bashing brought to you by chuck...
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