YTSEJAM Digest 3624
Today's Topics:
1)
by Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
2) DT BOOTS!
by Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
3) JP's Sound
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
4) Re: Drama
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
5) Re: Drama
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
6) Anna Lee
by "Salvatore" <hondaa@iol.it>
7) Yngwie's Concerto album REVIEW
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
8) Re: DT BOOTS!
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
9) Old Message: Detailed Review of new DT songs - Part I
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3623
by Tom Baddley <tbaddley@ontheair.com>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3623: My take on YES
by Bezerk01 <Bezerk01@aol.com>
12) CiA9IGT <-> NM
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
13) satch
by Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:55:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.980307135448.2473C-100000@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
Could someone please send me Mike Bahr's email address....I downloaded
his Advanced DT Bootguide and I am interesed in purchasing some. Thanks!!!!
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:57:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT BOOTS!
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.980307135540.2473D-100000@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
I just got back from my local underground record store and saw a record
made in Italy. It was a Dream Theater album entitled "Lords of Sound"
it is awesome to say the least....has anyone else seen this???? I have
this cd if anyone is interesed in a possible trade. Let me know....Later
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Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 14:00:24 -0500
From: Dave <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: JP's Sound
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980307140024.0068cde4@ee.net>
> group -- but I don't think that Petrucci has quite developed his own sound
> yet. He's damn close, though.
Call me crazy, but I beg to differ. I know JP the second I hear
him. He has incredible control over his bends and vibrato, and
unique approach to making his solo's "peak" and "creschendo".
I also find his 16th & 32nd note quick runs to have a trademark
feel and "punch", with a picking and finger roll technique like
no other.
I guess to me sometimes a guitarists sound is not solely due
to their tone, but also their technique. Being somewhat of a
guitarist myself, I guess maybe it's easy for me to pick up on
the details, but JP has a distinct sound to my ears.
Regards,
buster
http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/
http://www.dhpc.com/wdadu/
http://www.dhpc.com/buster.wav
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:27:10 -0700
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Drama
Message-ID: <v01540b00b12741ba88ae@[205.134.227.63]>
stain <afn39111@afn.org> wrote;
>Regarding the vocals on Yes's DRAMA. Well, part of the reason they don't
>stand up as well is it's not Jon Anderson, but Geoff Downes.
Not Geoff Downes, it was Trever Horn from Art of Noise.
Take care,
AE
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:29:16 -0700
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Drama
Message-ID: <v01540b02b1274251ac4c@[205.134.227.193]>
stain <afn39111@afn.org> wrote;
>Ok, someone punch me for being stupid. Geoff Downes does keys on Drama.
>Trevor Horn does vocals.
I did not see your second post. Sorry about the repeat, Stain.
AE
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 20:23:55 +0100
From: "Salvatore" <hondaa@iol.it>
To: <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
Cc: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Anna Lee
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bye....
elisabetta.
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Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 21:04:34 -0800
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yngwie's Concerto album REVIEW
Message-ID: <350226E2.19ED@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
I'm waiting for this album since more than 3 years !!!
YNGWIE JOHHAN MALMSTEEN
CONCERTO SUITE FOR ELECTRIC GUITAR AND ORCHESTRA IN E FLAT MINOR OPUS I :
MILLENIUM
1)Icarus Dream Fanfare
2)Cavalino Rampante
3)Fugue
4)Preulde To April
5)Toccata
6)Andante
7)Sarabande
8)Allegro
9)Adagio
10)Vivace
11)Presto Vivace
12)Finale
Wow. I love this album. It's something very special.
If you put the guitar down, you would swear it's Bach, Mozart or Paganini.
Just beautiful melodies. A full Ochestra on the one side and Yngwie on the
other side.
During the 12 tracks, you can hear some kind of Yngwie's "best of" melodies.
The intro from "Fire And Ice" or the kick ass classic part in Vengeance.
In my opinion, this album is a must for all guitar player (I'm not one of them)
and all Classic fans.
The album is only release in Japan yet. There are 2 different versions.
One is for Rock fans. This one is released by Pony Canyon and it has a
very cool bocklet, a mini poster of the Orchestra and the jewel case is bigger
than the normal international size.
The other version is for classic fans. It's released by Pony Classics and it
has a diffrent cover and artwork. A typical Classical style.
This version is a 24 bit recording.
NP : Yngwie's Concerto ;-)
Arash
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:56:13 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: DT BOOTS!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980307175442.18519A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, Dan wrote:
> I just got back from my local underground record store and saw a record
> made in Italy. It was a Dream Theater album entitled "Lords of Sound"
> it is awesome to say the least....has anyone else seen this???? I have
> this cd if anyone is interesed in a possible trade. Let me know....Later
Check out the following URL with my opinion and setlist on this
bootleg: <http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/lordsofsound.html>.
[]s back to my compiler (project of this semester), Roger...
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 19:11:31 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Old Message: Detailed Review of new DT songs - Part I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.980307190707.20216A-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
Hi.
Someone was asking a while ago what did "Raise the Knife" sound like and we got some funny responses, but nothing serious. Here is a pair of messages that Pat G. sent almost one year ago about some songs from "Falling into Infinity", the "new" Dream Theater album.
I think that it is quite interesting to see what we were discussing a sometime ago, from other perspectives.
[]s, The Nostalgic...
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:35:38 -0700 (PDT) ]From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Detailed Review of new DT songs - Part I
[I tried sending this once, but Ytsejam told me it was too long. I thought she was different, but she's just like all the other girls. ;) ]
Ok, someone was asking about the new DT material several jams back. Instead of doing the typical 'this song roqued nadz' and 'this song sucked', I'm give you an actual song by song breakdown...
Any and all misspelings are a figmunt of your imaginasion.
- Burning My Soul -
This song is my favorite of the new ones I have heard. It's an Awake type heavy song. The song starts with a nice clean guitar sound (on the keys). James comes in with some low range vocals for a measure. Then Mike comes in with a funky off-beat snare pattern, and the song starts rocking. There is a constant groove riff going with John and John, while Derek does some ambient chords in the background. As the bridge approaches, Derek changes momentarily to an evil sounding patch and plays over a different riff. The guitar and keys build to the chorus, which has a TTT kind of catchiness to it. "Twisting, Turning... something something random mumbling... Living, Learning... The passion keeps on Burning My Soul!" After the second chorus, they do a cool stop, and go into an instrumental part. This part is slow at first, with a pulsing bass line, and John and Derek playing over it. After a while, John launches into a faster solo, which builds until Mike comes in again with that snare pattern. I couldn't name an odd time signature if it bit me in the ass, but I can tell that this isn't in 4/4. James comes back in with the chorus again, and the melody changes as he repeats 'Burnin my soul' - very cool.
- Peruvian Skies -
This song probably ranks second from what I have heard so far. It starts off with a slow Alice in Chains style groove, joined by a militaryesque (just making up words as I go - get used to it) drum beat from Mike. The vocals are mostly mid range, with a pleasing melody. When the chorus comes in, the style seems to change to something *very* similar to some Pink Floyd stuff. The lyrics are pretty cool here - inspired by a story of child abuse, I believe. I can't always make out what James is saying, but what I can follow sounds cool. After the second chorus, James goes into a cool soaring vocal part... "Dead of the night / night after day / tell me her secrets / won't take them awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay" This is followed by an instrumental section with some heavier guitar sounds and odd beats from Mike. There's a pretty cool dual key/guitar section in here too. This section is ended with an odd timed downward scale, back into the chorus, followed by the 'main theme' lead out.
- Lines in the Sand -
This one is long and complex, and varies a lot. It starts off with a cool piano peice from Derek, followed by a reverb key patch that he solos over. Those who have heard this part will probably know what I mean when I say I was expecting Clint Eastwood to pop up somewhere. :) After a short while, Mike comes in with a short slow solo, and then the band joins in with Mike drumming his heart out, John laying down the bass base, John playing a cool flowing guitar rythm, and Derek soloing. The majority of the song is laid back, but filled with hidden complexity in fills and small changes. James' vocals are right on, another kick ass melody and once again cool lyrics... "Sometimes... build castles in the air / and the fantasies you're seeking / are the crosses you bear." and the chorus "Swept away with the tide / [something] holes in my hand / crown of thorns at my side / drawing Lines in the Sand" (appologies to those sick of the religion thread) The second verse is underlayed with an even cooler sounding guitar/bass riff than the first. Mike solos again for a bit over a laid back guitar part, and then everything calms down a little. Mike just uses a hi hat while Derek and John solo (separately), then comes in with some more drumming, but still lets D/J take the lead. Derek wrote a lot of this song, and it shows. James comes back in again for a short bridge, then it's out to another instrumental section, where Derek takes the lead with a jazzy key solo. This instrumental bridges into the final chorus, where James eloquently sings "baptized aaaaa hooooaaaa taaaaa seems aaaah thaaaaa impoooortaaaant... I like to draw lines in the sand... aaaahh taaa eeeen hhooowwwaaa taaa seeeem aaaaaaaahh thaaaa important... I like drawing lines in the sand." :) The goove throughout this song is similar in style to the feel of 6:00.
- Take Away My Pain -
I can tell you this is not the song I was expecting. When I heard that John's father died, and later that he wrote this in memory of him, I figured it would be a 'down' song a la SDV. What it turned out to be is a surprisingly upbeat and (not surprisingly) guitar driven song. It starts with soft acoustic guitar, and James singing in a mid-high range. Then the band comes in, with a very upbeat sound, high major chords, simple drum beats, and soaring vocals (which James kicks ass with on this song). Lyrically this is a very powerful song as well... "Take away my pain... leave the cold outside... please don't let it rain... I stumble on my pride... take away the pain... I'm not frightened anymore... [something] at me tonight... I'm tired of this fight... Soon I'll be knocking at your door." During the second verse, John does some subtle soloing, and does even more of it after the second chorus. The guitar work in here is great... There's a lot of soloing going on, and in the final verse, after James sings "Staring at the paper through my tears," John does a prebend that another jammer described as "the closest I've ever heard a guitar come to crying." Very moving song. And you can make out 99% of what James is singing!
- Just Let Me Breathe -
This song starts off with a very fast, almost tribal drum rythm and moves into a quick instrumental intro with lots of wah guitar and key work. James come in, singing in a what almost seems to be a rap style - very fast, more talking than singing. This is 'the MTV song' in more ways than one... it's a bit more 'commercial' than the other material, but it also seems to deal with the music industry and selling out and stuff like that. It's pretty critical, and unless I heard James wrong, they actually mention something about MTV in it. After the first verse and chorus, it goes into a fast paced instrumental section, with tons of complex sounds all coming at you at once. Also, Derek revives the WFS/LtL riff in this song during this instrumental part, and the outro. It moves back into the final verse/chorus, to the short outro, and ends. This song never slows down, it's fast paced all the way through. Quite different from anything they have done before.
- Raise the Knife (w/o vocals) -
This song is another long one... something like 12 minutes. I haven't heard the vocals version, or seen the lyrics yet, but I have heard the whole instrumental version, as well as the shorter instrumental it was based on from the Home For the Holiday Shows... It starts off with a cool guitar progression and off beat drums, joined by some jazzy piano. [Note: by off beat, I mean that Mike isn't accenting the normal beats you would accent; not that he screwed up] JP does some short jazz soloing, and the song rolls into a slower (I assume vocal) section with an almost pulsing guitar/bass line, and some cool drum work by Mike. It picks up pace for a bit (pre chorus? Chorus?) and back down to the slower pace, then builds more steadily with impressive drumming and and some cool distortion/wah effects from John. There's a short Van Halenish guitar part, flowing into an upbeat soloing section, and back into the 'theme' of the song some more. Then it goes into an instrumental section with ambient keys and Extremeish guitar and complex drumwork, and Derek starts a key underlay that for some reason reminds me of the soundtrack from one of the Conan movies - cool as hell... It builds to another upbeat part which blends back into the main theme. Then the shit hits the fan. JP starts this kick ass heavy riff in some odd time I can't recognize that just rips... Mike's doing some crazy drum work, and then everyone falls back into a groove while Mike does this 8/8, 8/9, 8/8, 8/7 drum pattern (ok, so I can pick up *some* odd time sigs). JP slowly starts building over the drum pattern while Derek and John dual on the rythm. There's a short break and it comes back into another major chord upbeat guitar/key section, building towards the end of the song; I would assume that James is sneaking in the final verse here. This song all around whups ass.
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Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:34:35 -0700 From: Tom Baddley <tbaddley@ontheair.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3623 Message-ID: <001b01bd4a19$4bdaa4e0$360637a6@ibm.net.tbaddley>
> Okay, so I've read all the Jams I missed, and there's been some discussion > about the Japan HY. Sorry about my post in the last Jam then... my bad. > Thanks, Graham, for the review. So now my question is: how is CDNow to deal > with? I checked them out, and they have it for like $17.99. They're pretty > reputable, as far as I know. Any comments?
I've been ordering from CDNow for a year or so. They've never ganked me. I particularly like to use them for advance ordering. If you don't mind paying a little extra money for FedX shipping, they will ship a new release on the Monday before its Tuesday release date. I'll receive my LTE from them on Tuesday a.m. (Thanks to the wonderful female jammer who put the LTE excerpt MP3 for us to hear...makes me even more anxious!)
The only time I've had a problem was last week, when somehow their computer cancelled my Ty Tabor - Moonflower Lane order on Monday and immediately re-entered my order. This bumped my delivery date back one day (Wednesday), but CDNow credited my account for the FedX delivery charge (after I sent them a email complaining about the screwup), and shipped it FedX on Tuesday. This is the only on-line CD store that I've used, but I've never had a reason to look around for another. They are doing advance orders for Fates' APSoG video (release: March 24 @ $12.99) right now.
BTW Ty's ML is a really great CD. Alan Doss does a super job on drums, and Ben Huggins and Monty Colvin drop by to do backing harmonies on one song, Another Day (no relation to OFB's AD). Ty's son, Josh (french horn) and Atomic Opera's Frank Hart (cello) play some dissonent sounding parts added to Hollow Eyes, a song previously recorded on Ty's 1st solo release Naomi's Solar Pumpkin. This is NOT progressive music, but wonderful pop tunes from an excellent guitarist and songwriter. Lyrically, these are some of the best songs I've heard from Ty.
Thanks to all who recommended the new Satch. I was severely dissappointed last year with his self-titled CD. This is back to the old Satch that I remember and love. Now if Vai will get back into the studio!
Tom Baddley
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:53:36 EST From: Bezerk01 <Bezerk01@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3623: My take on YES Message-ID: <4814463e.3501cff2@aol.com>
Unfortunately for me, my only experience with Yes was extremely disappointing. A friend and I took in a show during the "Talk" tour. After listening to Yes for many years, we were both excited by the prospects of finally seeing them live. The show was definitely not what I expected, Jon Anderson sounded fine vocally (I just can't not think of him as this little fairy creature), but the band had a keyboard player concealed underneath the stage, and Tony Kaye (I think that was the keyboard player at the time) was very uninspiring on the stage. It appeared that Anderson and Trevor Rabin didn't see eye to eye and overall, the was unimpressive to say the least. Maybe if I had seen the original lineup, it would have been better. The other complaint I had was the high ticket price ($30+?).
Aaron
------- "But don't cut your losses too soon, Because you will only be cutting your throat" - Dream Theater
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:55:54 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: shadow@devnull.cc.missouri.edu Subject: CiA9IGT <-> NM Message-ID: <199803072255.RAA27900@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
> From: Pat Griffin <shadow@devnull.cc.missouri.edu> > Subject: LTW / CiANITG / NM > > > anyone notice a small similarity to Caught In Alice's Nine Inch Garden > > Tool? > > Hey, Mike, how could you notice the similarity between that clip and > CiANITG, and *not* (I'm assuming since you didn't mention) notice > that that section from CiANITG was almost exactly transplanted into > the beginning of New Millenium on FII? Give it a listen, it's > practically the same...
Yeah... definatly noticed that the first time I heard NM (actually, I always start singing "silence, disguised I watch you" to myself every time I hear that part of NM). Just going for the first source of the clip as my ref point, although I guess more people would know the NM reference instead.
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:10:56 -0800 (PST) From: Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: satch Message-ID: <19980308001056.20696.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com>
> "House Full of Bullets" (track #2) should settle in anyone's mind what exactly > set Joe apart from Steve Vai and Eric Johnson on those I-IV-V blues jams > during the encores of the first G3 tour. Listen to this song and try to
hmmm, funny you say that. When i hear those solos i always think the following:
Eric Johnson: he knows the blues. Its a natural part of his style. He might do a lot of fast playing, but everything sounds like it 'belongs' there.
Steve Vai: he knows he *can't* play the blues, so he just does what he know how to do.
Satch: errr, sounds like *me* playing the blues. (which isnt exactly a compliment, if you catch my drift)
But i do agree that Crystal Planet kicks much ass. The title track really rocks hard.
Ern
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