YTSEJAM Digest 3836
Today's Topics:
1) Need help with after show etiquette!
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
2) Re: Rush stuff
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
3) BASS
by Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
4) Re: van halen
by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
5) DT in Philly and Sony Playstation
by drussell29@juno.com (Daniel C Russell)
6) My Dilemma
by "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
7)
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
8) New e-mail address
by Carol Hayne <Carol@relayerdesigns.com>
9) female guitarists
by Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
10) Re: Load and Re Load
by Joseph Bissonnette <jabisson@students.wisc.edu>
11) VOTE FOR DREAM THEATER
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
12) In fact...
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
13) Fates bootleg for sale !!!
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
14) Re: Rush stuff
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3831
by "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
16) Re: writing credits
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
17) CINCI SHOW
by David Hatlee <dhatlee@dhpc.com>
18) Re: DT in Philly and Sony Playstation
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 10:17:58 EDT
From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Need help with after show etiquette!
Message-ID: <f027bc7d.354dce17@aol.com>
Hello more experienced 'Jammers,
I will be attempting to interface with OFB members after the Daytona's show
tomorrow night. What is the best way to go about this, without being a
jerk/nuisance/a-hole/etc.?
This is a sincere question, and I would appreciate genuine responses. Just
want a couple of sigs, and pictures, if possible, with the guys. Thank you
for your kind consideration, and please be nice to others. :~)
Kez
P.S. First show of the return to the states. Any guesses on set changes?
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 11:01:55 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Rush stuff
Message-ID: <199805041501.LAA20945@ren.cs.wm.edu>
Mauricio Martinez Villarreal graced my inbox with:
> Anybody knows why in hell Neil Peart is never credited to write some of
> the music for sung-Rush songs? I think it's maybe an arrangement they
> made up when they were starting.....because i dont think that Lifeson and
> Lee tell Peart what to do all the time....Peart wouldnt be Peart on drums
> if that was true.
It's not a matter of Ged and Alex "telling Neil what to do." It's
simply the way they write. Ged and Alex go into one room and write
music. Neil goes into another room with a small drumkit (I guess to
fuck around on to battle writer's block) and writes lyrics. Then they
get together and put it all together.
> Check out some VH tabs, do you really think that everybody in VH had some
> musical input in songs like Eruption or 316? Don't think so!
No, that was a deal the band made early on, so that they could all
share in the royalties.
Finals suck!
-d
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 20:00:29 +0400
From: Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: BASS
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980504200029.00936cc0@messagebox.com>
Well, as far as this thread gows, let me add some humble thoughts...
Someone mentioned before that playing fast is important, I must admit taht
I do not agree with it completely. No, I don't mean that one should always
play whole notes or something like that, but sometimes the bassline just
becomes more emotionous (is that the right word?) when it doesn't even
include fast passages all over the neck. Listen to some Yes (I can't
remember the names of the songs) and you'll get what I mean, or PF (early)
- that's just awesome.
Another thing is the pick -to use it or not? Somebody said taht he would
fire the bassist if he only starts playing with a pick, but, hey, it must
be admitted that if you're gonna play some Metallica-linke crap you'll most
definetely need a pick. With the guitarist in my band I have got just the
opposite problem - he forces me to use a pick, cause when i play with my
fingers I can play more notes per second than he does and that starts to
bother him. :-)
As it goes to choosing the instrument, I must say that I am very surprised
taht a man who once tried bass can forget about it and start playing
something else. For me BASS is just the right thing - this was the
instrument I started with, I don't know why - there was some magic about
it. And let all the darn guitarists who say that playing the bass is easier
f*ck off - playing bass is not easier at all!!! For those interested - I
also play the guitar, the keys and the drums a bit. But I only started
paying these instruments in order to be able to explain my ideas to other
band-mates.
And the main point - what makes a bassist good. As I said it's not
necessarily speed, though it's important as well. IMO the thing that makes
a bass player good is when he can figure out what type of a bassline a
certain songs requires - it can be the funky shredding or the simple
quarter-noted bassline, or a melodic bassline in the vein of Geddy Lee, or
some Jaco-like shredding, or guitar dubbing lines like JM does.
In this connection I can just praise Stu Hamm - the man knows what he
should play!!! His solo albums feature extremely technical lines, but when
he starts playing with the shredders like Satch or Marty Friedman he knows
his place as well - just simple lines. In this case his work with SyVy
stands out - it features both - excellent rhythm section and some tap-work
(like in Blue Powder).
Ahh... Just can't wait to hear what he did with Frank Gambale on their new
project...
..Bash me for using a pick sometimes now... :-)
Pete
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 18:40:00 +0200
From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: van halen
Message-ID: <354DEF60.E37CF89D@stones.com>
>I agree 100%, the Sydney gig was awesome, the best gig I have seen.
>Gary was great and won me over, both as a frontman and singer surprised
>me with how good he was.
>
>graham
With graham u never know ;) It might be sarcasm hehe
(joke bud, don`t jump all over me)
One question, I heard they played their older material
mostly so far on this tour. What did they play from VHIII?
How did it sound live?
See yah,
Mat
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:26:07 -0400
From: drussell29@juno.com (Daniel C Russell)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT in Philly and Sony Playstation
Message-ID: <19980504.132608.6574.0.drussell29@juno.com>
Two quick questions here. If anyone knows please replay to me in private
Who is opening in Philly on the 9th of May?
What Sony game did John Petrucci do the music for???
Thanks,
Dan
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:22:06 -0500
From: "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My Dilemma
Message-ID: <l03102800b173a7ef2066@[128.83.251.139]>
I've got a problem here. I get my DT tix for San Antonio in the mail on
saturday, and that same day my parents say that we might be going out to CA
to visit my brother and his wife (it's memorial day weekend). The trip
isn't set in stone yet (i think) so I might not have a problem if we end up
not going anyway.
There's no way I'm going to miss DT if i can help it, but I haven't
seen my brother since Thanksgiving, and they've moved into a new house in a
new town and it's a big ol' deal, and a trip would be great before summer
school starts but I can't miss DT, especially with the tickets in my hands.
But either way, I'm going to feel bad for missing the one I missed...
James C. Shields
Undergraduate
University of Texas at Austin
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So forever hold the dreams within our hearts
Through Nature's inflexible grace
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"Learning to Live"
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:41:33 -0400
From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <v01540b00b173aabc470c@[128.197.7.55]>
>I thought the song selection was horrible. I expected them to
>concentrate on III stuff
I haven't seen the MTV special yet, so I don't know which songs
were cut out, but the complete set list for the Sydney show had five songs
from the new album (not including "Dirty Water Dog" which appears to have
been dropped, at least temporarily). Definitely not a lot, but it's not
too poorly represented. I hope that "Once," at least, is played on the
upcoming US dates, especially since AVH mentioned that in an interview
regarding stage visuals.
>And why only one Van Hagar song? What the fuck? They're
>practically ignoring 11 years of great music. And it's not like Gary can't
>pull them off. He sounded awesome on "Why Can't This Be Love." How about
>"Dreams," or "When It's Love?"
Both of those songs were played at the concert. I guess they
weren't broadcast.
As an aside, I'm surprised how impressed/satisfied with the "new
Van Halen" most of you seem to be, especially compared with those on the
alt.music.van-halen newsgroup.
>Hey Jeff, you should check your albums:
Is this somebody actually responding to something I posted? I
can't believe it.
>Eddie Van Halen doesn't write much? That's a first!!!
>Same for Nuno, Perry, Page and May!!!
>They are or were not the dictators in their band, but they sure wrote a
>great deal of music for their bands.
Gee, I wasn't being sarcastic, was I? I was DEAD SERIOUS. It
looks like someone needs to pay more attention to the context of what I was
responding to.
>The most democratic band being
>Queen as every member of the band had hits with songs they had written.
. . . which is one of the things I love about Queen.
>You need to tell me how many credits has Joey Kramer in Aerosmith whole
>career.
I _need_ to? How about you tell me why you missed my obvious
point? Well, I think there's about four. Too little, but he did have one
before Whitford and Hamilton did.
Jeff Falk
jefffalk@bu.edu
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 18:42:18 +0100
From: Carol Hayne <Carol@relayerdesigns.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New e-mail address
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980504184218.010e5b40@relayerdesigns.com>
Hello,
Sorry for taking up "list space", but I've lost the original subscribe
notice...(!)
I have a new e-mail address - could YTSEJAM digests be sent there now, or
could someone give me the correct contact address...sorry about this!
(Old address Carol@RelDesigns.demon.co.uk)
NEW ADDRESS is Carol@RelayerDesigns.com
Thanks!
Carol Hayne
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 14:05:11 -0400
From: Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: female guitarists
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980504140511.006a51fc@scott.skidmore.edu>
Well, if you check out Braindance (www.iuma.com has info on them), their
female guitarist, Vora Vor, is awesome! She's very jazz-based in her
playing, and she's fast, clean, creative, and talented. If you want a less
complex female guitarist/band, check out Drain s.t.h. Flavia is a good
guitarist--very solid, although she doesn't solo much. Veruca Salt's solos
are decent, but not very creative (basically repeating the main musical
theme with some variations).
On another related note, I just got my new bridge installed (wilkinson),
and it's really sweet. I've been having fun learning tons of new material.
Hopefully, as it seems to be doing, my playing will grow as a result....
Anyone have any recommendations on places I can learn some speed exercises?
Anyway, sorry I'm so behind...trying to study for finals and write a
25-page paper....
Erica
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 13:30:58 -0500
From: Joseph Bissonnette <jabisson@students.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Load and Re Load
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980504133056.00749c88@scott>
>> Don't get me wrong, I'm not real thrilled with the direction
>> Metallica has taken, but at least they're changing and not just putting
>> out black album after black album.
>
>released...and it was. Load is an abortion, after hearing all the crap that
>Jason
>and Kirk contributed greatly to the album I was figuring that maybe _they_
>were
>the ones who wimped out until I read the liner...like lesbians, Kirk and
>Jason simply
>didn't do dick on that album. The whole thing was basically dominated be
>James and
>Lars. Then re-Load came out...I'm still kicking myself in the ass for
>actually spending
>money on that one. I guess all good things come to an end but I just kind of
>wish that
>Metallica had simply stopped or at least kept up the momentum from their
>earlier works.
I hate to have my first post to the list be on the Metallica topic, but
there seems to be a common misconception in all of these posts regarding
Load and ReLoad. The assumption seems to be that since they've done two
albums of this less than sterling material, this is their new style
forever. Actually Load and Reload are more or less one album. They were
recorded in the same session, and rather than releasing a double album they
split it up and released two seperate albums. I don't know why, maybe
there was more money it for them or something. Like the general says in Dr
Strangelove, I don't think it's quite fair to condemn the whole program
because of a single slip up. And am I the only one who found it amusing
that after saying how glad he was that Metallica is changing James followed
it up by saying he was going to a Metallica concert because he wanted to
hear their old stuff? Anyhow I think I'll give Metallica one more shot
before I give up on them.
Joe
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:55:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: VOTE FOR DREAM THEATER
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.980504145341.25253B-100000@thunder>
Hey everybody, go to the following address and submit your votes!
http://www.radiofree.com/mus-poll/results.shtml
:)
-Ponte
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:10:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: In fact...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.980504150841.25253C-100000@thunder>
Let our voices be heard.. put the following link on your web sites to
direct fellow fans to vote.. so that they may know the progressive rock is
NOT dead!!!!
www.radiofree.com
-ponte
PS... Dream Theater in three days... I AM PSYCHED!!!!
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 21:19:50 -0700
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fates bootleg for sale !!!
Message-ID: <354E9366.3799@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
I've bought some extra copies of a Fates bootleg from 1989 called "Through Different Eyes"
I need only 1, so I can sell 2 copys.
I've paid for 1 CD 35 DM, so I will sell 1 copy for 20 $ + 4 $ for postage.
Here is the tracklisting :
1)Intro
2)Fata Morgana
3)Part Of The Machine
4)Silent Cries
5)Static Acts
6)Through Different Eyes
7)The Apparation
8)Damnation
9)Exodus
10)Time Long Past
11)Nothing Left To Say
12)The Ivory Gate Of Dreams
Total time : 77 min !!!!
The quality is ok for a bootleg (I would give it: B)
Mail me privatly, if you are interested.
NP : Queen - The Miracle
Arash
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:30:33 -0500
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: "A Logic-Proof Shell" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Rush stuff
Message-ID: <000701bd779b$7dde5180$4dc95bd1@emc.caribe.net>
>From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
>Subject: Rush stuff
>
>made up when they were starting.....because i dont think that Lifeson and
>Lee tell Peart what to do all the time....Peart wouldnt be Peart on drums
>if that was true.
Hehe, i can just see it. Lifeson telling Peart, "it's easy. you just do a
triple stroke roll down the octobahns and then do a cool little
paradiddle-diddle thingie on the toms. Good, you got it. Now, gimme a
pataflafla on the snare followed by a cool RRLL double bass roll with a
triple ratamacue on the snare, and there you go. You have yourself a solo."
:) Moo.
--Dan McCormack dmc@dreamt.org http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 12:31:32 PDT From: "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3831 Message-ID: <19980504193134.21443.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Date: 03 May 1998 12:40:00 +0100 >From: christoph@ds.domino.de (Christoph Bauer) >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: Sound of ACOS >Since I listened to ACOS the first time, I wondered why it sounds =20 >comletely different to all the other DT Stuff. Especially the Drums and >the Guitars. Am I alone with this opinion? If I'm not, does anybody >know whether they used other drums or amps or just settings? Or is it >just the mix?
My opinion is that every DT album has a different sound... But, if this is what you wanted to know, yes MP uses Mapex drums and a piccolo snare in ACOS (Am I right Mike?). That may be the "difference".
Ernesto
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:36:02 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: writing credits Message-ID: <001001bd779c$44b8b0c0$4dc95bd1@emc.caribe.net>
>From: Fabrice Dray <truddy@club-internet.fr> >Subject: writing credits > >Hey Jeff, you should check your albums: >Eddie Van Halen doesn't write much? That's a first!!! >Same for Nuno, Perry, Page and May!!!
oh, here they come. i'll be selling asbestos suits for only $49.95, e-mail me at dmc@dreamt.org if you're interested. Moo.
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 15:59:29 -0400 From: David Hatlee <dhatlee@dhpc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CINCI SHOW Message-ID: <199805041956.PAA26027@promail1.ee.net>
Im coming down from Columbus for the show Cinci show and looking for a hotel close to Annies concert hall or whatever the hell this place is the I'm going to.
Can anyone from Cincinnati tell me if there are any hotels NEAR Annies?
Any response is very much appreciated, thanks! Dave dhatlee@dhpc.com
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 16:18:44 EDT From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT in Philly and Sony Playstation Message-ID: <8d11647e.354e22a5@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-04 14:21:27 EDT, you write:
<< Two quick questions here. If anyone knows please replay to me in private Who is opening in Philly on the 9th of May? What Sony game did John Petrucci do the music for??? Thanks, Dan >>
I believe Full On the Mouth is opening for this whole leg of the tour(might be wrong, though). Go to www.fullonthemouth.com for the stuff.
The game was called Necromonicon, and you can download the MP3's from a site that is linked to UACM. Go here: http://www.prognosis.com/dream/main.htm and then link to Sounds, and then to Tom Feiner's DT page.
Hope this helps, Kez
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