YTSEJAM Digest 3864
Today's Topics:
1) how did i get into DT?
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
2) "You asked for it, so go fuck yourself." (c) 1998 Brian Hayden.
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
3) Re: Is DT selling out?
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org>
4) is dt selling out?
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
5) To Mike Portnoy
by Rob Jurado <Jurado@worldnet.att.net>
6) Re: Spock's Beard Episode
by Rob Jurado <Jurado@worldnet.att.net>
7) Re: Is DT selling out?
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
8) Ytse- Suicide.
by Eric S P Barker <EBarker@NBCI.Net>
9) Re: Spock's Beard Episode
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
10) Derek
by Beyond the Mirror <mail@beyondthemirror.com>
11) Re: "You asked for it, so go fuck yourself." (c) 1998 Brian Hayden.
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
12) Re: Derek
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
13) Re: Derek
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
14) Re: But glittering prizes and endless compromises . . .
by "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 15:05:09 -0400
From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: how did i get into DT?
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980508150509.007b2100@pop3.afn.org>
Unlike most of the other people, it wasn't PMU, though that was the first song by
DT I heard. For me it was Fates Warning. Well, before Fates it was the Ryche, and
everyone on Screaming in Digital was raving about Fates, so I got Parallels and No
Exit when I saw them, and moved to a.r-n-r.metal.progressive and this was 92 so
everyone was talking about this fantastic album called Images and Words.
DT was not what I was expecting. Their songs weren't as coherent as Fates or QR,
but I&W made me a rather incoherent guy. Now I think Close to the Edge is tame.
-=-
"I went outside to get a life, but everything was closed up tight."
--------------------==== Broken via True Love ====-------------------
http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 Butcher, Rape, Smash to Pieces
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Date: Fri, 8 May 98 14:20:14 -0500
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, seroussi@algonet.se
Subject: "You asked for it, so go fuck yourself." (c) 1998 Brian Hayden.
Message-ID: <35535aed4cbb009@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <35531342.B61792D6@algonet.se>
from ytsejam@ax.com:
> I'm forwarding here a short email conversation I have had with Mike
> Portnoy around two weeks ago.
First mistake, pigfucker. Self-explanitory.
"Am I an asshole since I didn't grovel before mike and because I don't worship
the ground he walks upon?"
So, do these shows of bravado and individuality get you laid? I hope so, because
it's sure not making you any friends. It'd really be shame if you made a fool of
yourself for absolutely nothing.
"Just to clarify: I don't expect DT to do anything to satisfy me, it would have
just been nice if MP would have answered my questions."
Followed by:
"And make your hands dirty with some real work would be so bad? Must you live
off your art?"
So, you don't expect him to do anything to satisfy you. Just give up his living
and start cleaning toilets or something in order to keep doing what *you* think
his art should be.
Second mistake, pigfucker.
"Bottom line is: DT would do what they want no matter what I'll do"
I almost had a heart attack here. I wasn't expecting anything halfway reasonable
based on that first paragraph. To bad you followed it with...
"I would keep on skipping many songs on FII and not force myself to like them."
The fact that you felt compelled to point this out shows that you think the rest
of us are lemmings, incapable of any thought other than dog-like loyalty. Guess
what? If I wanted to know my mind, I wouldn't ask you, bitch. There's stuff on
every album here and there that I don't like. So the fuck what? Ooooo, now that
I've coolly set myself apart from the crowd maybe I can share some of the
babe-fest that's heading your way.
"What's the target of this post? Create discussion, I guess - this is a
discussion group. Discuss, then."
Seems to me your point was to show how cooooool you are because you're not a
lemming like the rest of us. Can you do me a favor? What's that? "Yes, sir, I'd
be happy too." Good! Get bent, goatboy!
"Take Dan Swan for example. He works in his own study as a sound engineer
and..."
Last time I checked, Boy Genius, Mike Portnoy et al. are musicians, not
engineers. But hey, I'm not a first name ignorantly-hack-on-his-life basis with
Mr. Portnoy like you are, so maybe you know more about this side of his life
than me.
"Nice way to avoid the questions posed in the rest of the letter..."
Nice way to badger somebody after your point gets shot to hell. I didn't see any
unanswered questions there, Mental Wonder. Of course, he didn't give any
responses in his last letter...but then, he answered all those comments earlier
on. As a judge with some balls would say, "Asked and answered, biotch. Move the
fuck on."
To quote the immortal Dave Mustaine: "Last mistake." Jesus says go straight to
hell, Pigfucker, do not pass Go because that $200 could get you either a year of
'Net access, which the world doesn't need, or a cheap hooker, and the world
*really* doesn't need any chance of your genes living past your brain-dead waste
of space self.
Oh yeah....Happy birthday Carol!
-Brian
"Some things are expensive because people are passionate about them. Look at
guitars. People will pay thousands of dollars for them. But then look at Jolly
Ranchers. Nobody is passionate about Jolly Ranchers. Sure, they're good, but
nobody's gonna slam a $100 bill down on the counter for 'em. "
Coleridge on IRC Web: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hayd0029
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:22:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Is DT selling out?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980508151630.992A-100000@infinite.wezl.org>
BRAVO John!!! Well Said! Selling out isn't a matter of record sales, it's
a matter of mind. The guys in DT are always willing to help us as fans,
and appreciate everything we do for them...an example is Mike offering to
put banners from fans up in his home recording studio...what a tribute to
us as fans!!! In their case the only possible way for them to sell out
would be to just up and say "fuck the fans," quit talking to us after
shows, make cheesey shit like Hanson or the Spice girls (no offense to
the many hanson and spice goons fans on the Ytsejam
<coughcoughDrMoshcoughcough>) and make a shitty motion picture film,
followed with action figures or dolls or something like that (god
forbid!). I'd say DT is VERY far from this...even though an action figure
of Mike P that transforms into an octopus would kinda kick ass :)
^ According to the circle of fifths, and the order of sharps and flats: ^
^ If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sigs) ^
^ (i.e. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major ^
^ would have 4 sharps. ^
^ Eric Moegling: Manager for "Lifting Shadows Off A Ring" ^
^ and "Progressive Genius" ^
^ The Dream theater and Progressive Metal WebRings ^
^ HOMEPAGE - http://www.wezl.org/NuGgeTMaN or http://www.wezl.org/lift ^
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 15:30:36 -0400
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: is dt selling out?
Message-ID: <199805081930.PAA08126@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
I think a quote from New Millennium is in order:
Living out a constant deja vu
Please be patient, we will get to you
Just have some faith and you can see it through
But faith don't pay the rent that's overdue
All that's glittering is turning blue
What they want from me, ain't got a clue
Swallow pride before it swallows you
Don't dare bite the hand that's starving you
-mp
I think that answers that question.
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 12:33:37 -0700
From: Rob Jurado <Jurado@worldnet.att.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: To Mike Portnoy
Message-ID: <35535E11.3D490BDC@worldnet.att.net>
Dear Mike,
I'm posting this thing on the jam so as not to invade your personal
e-mail, but
I have a request for the L.A. House of Blues show on May 17.
Please, oh please, play "Scarred"!!!!!! I don't know if you guys ever
play that
anymore, but I sure hope so.
-Rob
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 12:47:18 -0700
From: Rob Jurado <Jurado@worldnet.att.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Spock's Beard Episode
Message-ID: <35536145.796EBE60@worldnet.att.net>
ytsejam@ax.com wrote: ------------------------------
> From: OmegaMusic <OmegaMusic@aol.com>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: Re: spocks beard
>
> I think the reference is to the episode in which there is an alternate
> universe and the Star Trek crew have evil twins in this universe. In the
> alternate universe, Spock has a beard.
>
> Gonz
>
> From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: Re: spocks beard
> >
> >I think the reference is to the episode in which there is an alternate
> >universe and the Star Trek crew have evil twins in this universe. In the
> >alternate universe, Spock has a beard.
> >
> >Gonz
>
> Oh, okay. Why didn't I think of that?
>
> ;o)
>
> Lisa Marie
I believe that what we're talking about here is the episode entitled "Mirror Mirror".
All time great episode with the barbarous Spock to serve as a conduit for change
and enlightenment in his alternate Federation culture.
-Rob
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 15:53:24 -0400
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Is DT selling out?
Message-ID: <199805081953.PAA06809@al.cs.wm.edu>
NuGgeTMaN didn't really want to suggest:
> forbid!). I'd say DT is VERY far from this...even though an action figure
> of Mike P that transforms into an octopus would kinda kick ass :)
Nononono, you must think in terms of marketing, and pushing the current
products. How about an action figure of John M that turns into a platypus? :)
Finals suck!
-d
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cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates
d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed
http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:08:30 -0600
From: Eric S P Barker <EBarker@NBCI.Net>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ytse- Suicide.
Message-ID: <01BD7A8A.C8779E80@OC4.JanAlan.Com>
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Well, now that Seroussi has committed Ytse-Suicide, I am just waiting =
for his brilliant and enlightening reply. The one that changes all of =
our minds to conform to his precious sense of reality.
So Seroussi what color is the vehicle that you drive? You have to be =
kidding me, you totally SOLD OUT. Don' t you know that there are 12.23 =
million vehicles of that same color. Well you are probably saying "I =
like that color", Then I think that you have just answered your own =
questions that you so rudely threw at Mr Portnoy.
It was way out of line confronting MP with your personal BS. So next =
time, out of Respect just keep your mouth shut......
Eric from Denver.
P.S. Mr. Portnoy and DT, as long as you create music that you are =
happy with, I am sure that I will enjoy it. My faith is put into the =
fact that I trust your musical talents, of which I enjoy very much.
Keep up the Excellent work and I totally agree that Family comes first.
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 13:17:14 -0700
From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Spock's Beard Episode
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980508131709.00c576cc@postoffice.pacbell.net>
>> Oh, okay. Why didn't I think of that?
>> ;o)
>>
>> Lisa Marie
>
>I believe that what we're talking about here is the episode entitled
"Mirror Mirror".
>All time great episode with the barbarous Spock to serve as a conduit for
change
>and enlightenment in his alternate Federation culture.
I think you missed my sarcasm... guess I need some lessons from Graham. ;o)
As Trevor Hoit knows all too well, I've already beaten this topic into the
ground.
Next!
Lisa Marie
ytsegirl@pacbell.net
http://home.pacbell.net/ytsegirl
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THOUGHTS - Spock's Beard Mailing List
http://www.dreamt.org/spocksbeard
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:29:14 -0500
From: Beyond the Mirror <mail@beyondthemirror.com>
To: "'YJ Digest'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Derek
Message-ID: <01BD7A96.106CF0E0.mail@beyondthemirror.com>
In YJD 3861 <lerxst@wam.umd.edu> posted...
>>>>>>>Gonna... talk to Derek about his new gear. :)
>:) good luck, dude. derek's about as likely to talk to you as john
myung
>is to break out into an acapella version of "o solo mia" in the middle
>of a show (what!!??). he's certainly got a different attitude than MP
when
>it comes to the fans.
I'd like to get some more input on this point. Personally, I met Dream
Theater in Madison, WI last November as a member of the local stage crew.
John M, John P, James and Mike were all very nice and extremely
approachable. However, if you were to ask any of the twenty or so local
people who were in the theater before and during sound check (myself
included), they would all tell you that Derek was a complete asshole! (I
could go into detail if you want.) As a keyboard player myself, who admires
Derek's playing, I was quite disappointed.
I'd like to know if Derek has a bad reputation in general or if we just
caught him on a bad day - so I'm asking Jammers to contribute their
personal Derek stories - the good :-) the bad :-( and the ugly :-o
(Well, not TOO personal of course.)
Curious,
Josh Becker
josh@beyondthemirror.com
http://www.beyondthemirror.com
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:30:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: "You asked for it, so go fuck yourself." (c) 1998 Brian Hayden.
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980508162835.28926B-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Fri, 8 May 1998, Brian Hayden wrote:
> First mistake, pigfucker. Self-explanitory.
>
<etc., etc.>
man, and I thought *I* was having a bad day! :)
then he finishes it with.....
>
> Oh yeah....Happy birthday Carol!
>
> -Brian
>
This is why I love the Ytsejam, folx. I rest my case.
Happy B-day, Carol.
-Al
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 16:43:45 -0400
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Derek
Message-ID: <199805082043.QAA07310@al.cs.wm.edu>
> I'd like to know if Derek has a bad reputation in general or if we just
> caught him on a bad day - so I'm asking Jammers to contribute their
> personal Derek stories - the good :-) the bad :-( and the ugly :-o
Derek and I were stuck in this elevator one time, and...
> (Well, not TOO personal of course.)
Oh. Sorry. The couple of occasions I've had to hang backstage with Derek
after a show have been nothing but positive -- in particular, that night when
the whole freakin' list seemed to be backstage at Bitch Hell in December of
95. In my personal experience (and maybe I was just there on the wrong
nights, who knows?) Derek's post-show appearances have been less common lately. But he's never been anything other than a total gentleman when I've been lucky
enough to hang out with him. His birthday jamfest in the summer of '96 comes
to mind. Those that were there can confirm that he, JP, MP, Greg Smith, Al
Pitrelli, and the other luminaries that were there (the memories fade...) were
all as nice as could be. It's an especially nice surprise when Derek comes
out to the bar after a show to have a beer and hang out with whoever's there.
Your mileage, of course, may vary.
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cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates
d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed
http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:51:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Derek
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980508164936.7165B-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
I met Derek once, when he first started touring with DT,
at the Birch Hil after the show. He seemed like a really
cool guy - extremely cool, actually, hanging and talking
wiht me and my drunken friend for a good 15 minutes or so,
joking around and all. I thought he was absolutely great.
Chances are he may have changed since then, but I talked
to him, I thought he was perfectly fine, behind MP as the
coolest one that night.
-Al
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:07:03 -0800
From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: But glittering prizes and endless compromises . . .
Message-ID: <199805082107.OAA21098@baygate.bayarea.net>
Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se> wrote:
> I'm forwarding here a short email conversation I have had with Mike
> Portnoy around two weeks ago. You be the judge: is DT losing its
> musical integrity in search for money? Am I an asshole since I didn't
> grovel before mike and because I don't worship the ground he walks
> upon?
First off, I agree 100% with the people who have pointed out how
uncool it is to make a private conversation public like that. Isn't
that one of the things that pissed us off so much about "Mr. HazeX"?
Second, I think you made quite a leap going from a discussion about
whether it's OK for DT to play some gigs as an opening band, to a
discussion about what kind of music they record.
Third, your argument about holding down a day job while still making
music just doesn't hold water. Sure, I know lots of musicians that
have day jobs, and some of them are mind-bogglingly good at their
instruments. But I don't know a single one of them who has a
nationally (much less internationally) distributed CD, nor do I know
any of them who play gigs all over the country. Heck, most of them
never play gigs more than 50 miles away from where they live. If you
want to see Dream Theater take day jobs so that they can have
complete artistic freedom, then you can say goodbye to their tours of
the U.S., Europe, Japan, South America, etc. You can also say
goodbye to being able to walk into your local music store and pick up
their newest CD. Is that really what you want?
Paul
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Paul Humm
humm@levy.com
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