YTSEJAM Digest 3914
Today's Topics:
1) DC DT/DP/ELP date?
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
2) Re: 7-string Madness
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
3) Lack of DT Videos etc ... ????
by "Robert O'Doherty" <r.odoherty@mvt.ie>
4) Re: Looking at my photos
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
5) You're no fun....
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
6) Re: DP/ELP/DT
by "Anderson,Brian D" <Brian_Anderson@wb.xerox.com>
7) Kreist...did it again
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
8) Re: 7-string Madness
by Scott Andrews <sha3u@unix.mail.virginia.edu>
9) New Slayer, Iron Maiden, Dave Lee Roth
by K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
10) HoB Shows! -some spoilers-
by "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com>
11) Derek´s sig
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
12) Caught in a mosh
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
13) Re: 7-string Madness
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
14) Re: You're no fun....
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:43:49 -0400
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DC DT/DP/ELP date?
Message-ID: <35619AA5.E1206835@bdm.com>
Anyone hear anymore about the DC date for the DT/Dp/ELP tour? I guess it
is August 12 but I haven't heard anything about tickets or whether it
will be at Nissan or Merriweather...
NP:GTR-King Biscuit Flower Hour
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:01:54 EDT From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: 7-string Madness Message-ID: <3f2301e9.35619ee3@aol.com>
the black and green 7 string Universe is my favorite guitar, when i saw the Lie DT video, and i saw John Petrucci using it, i freaked out!
Rocky
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:35:00 +0100 From: "Robert O'Doherty" <r.odoherty@mvt.ie> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Lack of DT Videos etc ... ???? Message-ID: <61F3B4EC9D23D11181A0006097AD1D731DDE02@skylight.mvt.ie>
Why is it that there is a total lack of DT live albums and videos? I would have thought that East West (are DT still with East-West) would gladly lash out a live video to DT's adoring fans. Live shit is the cheapest form of revenue, no?
Rob.
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:59:22 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Cc: "'Andrew.Unwin@durham.ac.uk'" <Andrew.Unwin@durham.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Looking at my photos Message-ID: <01BD8350.327CBD60@BEtor.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Andrew Unwin asked :
> OK - own up - how many of you looked at my web page (with the > Manchester concert photos on) last week because the uni server > said I had 1810 visitors!!! - but only got one email from an > observer!!
Oops... that would probably be *my* mistake. :)
There's been a link to your webpage on Under A Cyber Moon's "Photos And Artwork" page for the last six days, and UACM gets over 700 visitors a day... Let me know if you want me to remove the link (because of data traffic or something).
:-)
Mark Bredius ____________________________________________________________ Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org * http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: 05-18-1998
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:09:53 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: You're no fun.... Message-ID: <3561AED1.BDB2841D@imap1.asu.edu>
KEZCOM then said: > No disrespect intended, but I hope you are being sarcastic. This is, by far, > the most wrong rant you've ever posted(well, I haven't been around TOO long).
You should see my 7 page rant on the color yellow.
> There is something that most civilized people recognize as personal space. > Unless I invite someone to invade that personal space, they have no right to > be there.
That's a good point. But let's look at something...I said in that post that it was the cavemen doing the heavy, random moshing. I don't run into many cavemen at prog concerts, even if it is progMETAL. Seriously, at all the prog shows I've been to the people attending are actually friendly and approachable.
Before we got into the Jar to see Fates Warning kick our asses this past year, a group of 20-30 or so fans were waiting outside, and we started talking about the different unheard (In America) bands that we've all had to search out for through the internet and friends...well, anyways, we had this whole group of people talking about Angra and Symphony X and Savatage and when the doorman finally said, "Alright, come on in," we pretty much ignored him and continued our discussion. That kinda stuff never happened at the Megadeth or Pantera shows I've been to.
> If I have put in the time and effort to get to the venue early, wait in line, > and rush to the front for a good spot, then I don't expect to be physically > removed from that spot by some pinball people freaks, just because they are of > the attitude that they can enjoy the concert in whatever way they see fit.
I think what it comes down to is just who exactly you're seeing. Most of Dream Theater's audience isn't caught stage diving or setting venues ablaze, same with Fates Warning. If you're gonna try to get to the front row of a Pantera or Metallica concert, GOOD FUCKIN' LUCK!
> Face it, if your busy bouncing around like a maniac, you are not giving enough > attention to the performance.
The reason people are bouncing is because they're enjoying the concert experience so much they're losing bodily functions. Pinball people just don't know better to go into the designated caveman regions to do their moshing.
If you're in the "I'll mosh at a concert if I want to" train of thought and you're reading this...please, take this hint: If nobody else is bouncing around or into you, don't start a mosh pit there...especially the areas near the back where people are standing TO AVOID THE GODDAMN PITS (painful memories of a Megadeth show and a 4' woman rush through my head) > You're opinions show the selfishness that ruin the concert experience > for so many of us.
Personally, I don't mosh. I'm tryin' to give a counterpoint argument to Matt's original argument, but I'm not as coherent as Ptacek or even Johnny Lee Middleton most of the time. Oh man...maybe I'M wrong.... It is a tad selfish isn't it? But just how much fun is somebody allowed to have at a concert experience, then? So long as the people bouncing around aren't causing bruises and knife wounds, I haven't had any problem with mosh pits, aside from the rush of bodies collapsing into you trying to avoid them.
> And you're statement "if you don't like it, then move" is just asinine. If
Hey bud, that's the way things work at these shows I've been to. Of course, you can TRY to stop a pit... "Excuse me kind sir...would you please refrain from *thud*...ungha..."
> you don't like the fact that I'm taller than you, than move from behind me, or > get there before me. But don't attempt to move me out of your way with > "moshing". If you don't like my elbow collapsing you larynx, then don't > assault me in a way that begs retaliation.
See, NOW you're talkin'! Violence! Bwahahaha....
> By the way, I LIKE metal. I don't like moshing. Is that so wrong?
Nothin' wrong with that. Is moshing an insult to the band though?
~Eckie is still CAUGHT IN A MOSH!
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 08:49:26 PDT From: "Anderson,Brian D" <Brian_Anderson@wb.xerox.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DP/ELP/DT Message-ID: <20BB61358124657C20BB61358124657C#064#X-WB-0128-MS2.XEROX@SMF>
>Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 08:37:03 -0500 (EST) >From: babs@sgenaa.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia) >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: DP/ELP/DT >Message-ID: <v01510102b186f4033d9a@[137.238.26.12]>
>I caught part of that announcement and got all excited thinking it might be >the Downtown Festival tent - that would be a cool show too (hint, hint).
Do we even have a Downtown Festival tent anymore? DT does need to play here more often though. I mean, we have the fanbase for it . . . we have a DT tribute band here for pete's sake (playing this saturday at the Penny Arcade BTW). I think the problem is radio play though . . . they don't get it here (other than small, college stations). I guess we'll have to start badgering our station here with DT requests. Hopefully DT will remember us when they're planning their next tour. If not for the city, do it for Babs :-) (Oh yeah, we're talkin' 'bout Rochester, NY for those who don't know)
>So Brian, other than checking out women at the Irving show (big wink) how >was the show? > >Babs
Women? What, you mean there were women there? I thought we just determined that women don't like prog :-) The show was great. We showed up around 4:45, and started walking around the block just to look around. We saw Derek in a little shoe shine place getting his big 'ol platform shoes shined. We were gonna stop in and say hi on the way back . . . but he was gone. Mike and JP came out of the bus to go in the club just as we were about to get in line. They were on the other side of the street though, and we missed them. I sold my extra ticket to a guy who had gotten there ahead of us. DT has fans everywhere I tells ya. This guy was from Romania, and had been in NYC for 3 years. I forgot to mention, that big annoying chic also said she had seen DT 20 times in the NYC area . . . yet she only heard about DT after Awake came out. Now . . . I'd have to check the record, but I don't think DT has played 20 shows in the NYC area since then. Sad . . . soo sad. She also tried to copy down the Jams address off my sweatshirt . . . but she spelled it wrong, and I wasn't about to tell her she screwed it up. Oh yeah the show . . . well, I recommend to everyone that's going to these shows to do what my friend and I did. We took lots of Advil before and during the show, and I had my friend run and buy a couple bottles of water as soon as we got in. Therefore, my feet and back didn't hurt . . . and I wasn't longing for all those bottles of water James had up on stage . . . like I have it the past. (It always killed me when he started sprayin' his water all over Mike and everyone . . . while I'm standing there dying of thirst) Maybe DT will have to borrow one of Ozzy's water canon thingy's. Anyways, show was great . . . the two guest drummers sucked. I didn't get to hear Ytsejam, but that's ok. I think Mike's dad was watching from backstage. It sounds like, from other reviews, that they're using the same setlist, and stage antics (like playing catch with drumsticks and the like) at all the shows. That's about it . . . great show as always. I'm just glad I don't live in Australia . . . otherwise I'd never get to have such an experience :-)
-Brian Anderson
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:15:02 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Kreist...did it again Message-ID: <3561B006.B4E3B699@imap1.asu.edu>
Okay...when I said I don't mosh, I forgot a keyword.... "ANYMOOOOOOOOOOOOORE!" Boy after saying "I've moshed at a couple concerts," and then saying I don't mosh, I'd look like a real cheeseball wouldn't I?
~Eckie thinks all the 'tage fans in the crowd get that referrence
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:23:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Andrews <sha3u@unix.mail.virginia.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: 7-string Madness Message-ID: <199805191623.MAA100628@node2.unix.Virginia.EDU>
According to The iban: > > > the black and green 7 string Universe is my favorite guitar, when i saw the > Lie DT video, and i saw John Petrucci using it, i freaked out!
the black and green one was the only Universe they were still making in 93 and 94 when petrucci asked Ibanez for a 7 string. it's certainly a cool guitar, i just don't like the lime green.
i don't know about what he plays live, but in my Ibanez 7 string promo video he is playing a beautiful blue sunburst, one pickup custom Ibanez 7 string.
i have an extra copy of this Ibanez 7th Heaven promo video, it's a half hour long with interviews and playing and live/music video clips of Petrucci, vai, and the guys from Fear Factory, Limp Bizkit, and Korn [idiots]. if anyone is interested in buying or trading for it, make me an offer.
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:28:40 -0400 (EDT) From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New Slayer, Iron Maiden, Dave Lee Roth Message-ID: <199805191628.MAA31806@dewdrop2.mindspring.com>
I was browsing through hardradio.com and checking out the new releases, so here it goes...
Slayer/Stain of Mind: I think it's a pretty cool tune, even through my tiny computer speakers it rocked. I can imagine blasting this song and jumping up and down my living room. Kickass. <><><><
The DLR Band/Slam Dunk: It's 1982 all over again (at least in Dave's mind). He can't quite reach that squeal anymore, but that doesn't keep him from trying. All in all, some real cool guitar playing and that classic party early VH spirit. Not too bad. <><><>
Iron Maiden/The Angel and The Gambler: This has no appeal to me whatsoever. This sounds like bad 70s music. The verse sounds like early Kiss. I always thought I don't like the "new" Maiden because of Blaze, but I now realize that the songwriting has gone down the drain as well. And pleeeeease stop repeating that annoying chorus!!!! <>
Too bad they don't have prog music samples there.
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:39:11 -0700 From: "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: HoB Shows! -some spoilers- Message-ID: <199805191638.QAA13720@lainet1.lainet.com>
Hey everyone...
So two nites are gone at the House of Blues here in Los Angeles. Sunday nite, the guys were incredible. I was really impressed with the tone of everything, and they way they slid from song to another. Although I didn't like the teases they kept throwing at (I felt like I was getting stroked, then bitten, stroked, then bitten...) the crowd the whole nite, the set list was awesome.
After Sunday nite, I decided I was gonna go again Monday. Boy, am I glad I did. The set list itself was enough reason to go, but something happened to me beyond seeing Dream Theater... ("John, what ever could go beyond seeing Dream Theater aside from getting laid at the concert while they're playing?") Well, I happened to be standing by the bar near the backstage door... Wooo! There was Ray Alder! Oh my god! I shit a thousand bricks in two seconds and headed over to talk to him. Now, a lot you may not realize what this means to me. As a vocalist, meeting Ray Alder is so high up there on events in my life. I realize he's at all the LA DT shows, and you can meet him after Fates shows, but I stood there and talked to him for about 15 minutes. Talked to him about our band, and vocal lessons, and the Europe shows (which he says were awesome. The live CDs are going to kick ass according to Ray. He and Jim are really pushing to have them out this summer.) Oh my god! So he went back stage, and did Pull Me Under with the guys. Really amazing...
So I'm walking around with this adrenaline high and found Dino wandering around. We watched the show for a while, and the guys leave the stage for the first time. Derek comes and starts Perfect Strangers... Dino and I are like, "cool..." then James comes out and says, "We have a very special guest tonite. Someone who has influenced all of us so very much in our career. Everyone give it up for BRUCE DICKINSON!" Dino and I just looked at each other, then rushed the stage.
Bruce did Perfect Strangers with the guys... And if I remember right, Aces High, (correct me if I'm wrong on this one...) Oh man, what a nite. They closed with the normal Metropolis/LTL/Crimson Sunrise medley.
I didn't come off my adrenaline high until 4:30 this morning everyone... I'm dead tired, but my God... two nights of ecstacy...
I got to meet up with a lot of folks at the show... Namely Rick 'Why does everyone know my last name?' Audet, Jack, and of course the Doc himself (who came both Sunday and Monday dressed a drop dead gorgeous blond in a flaming red dress and the illustrious 'do me now!' spiked shoes)
Take care everyone,
sp00L
and if anger is the ending of the thing that weve become for the mother and the father and the sister and the son through the shallow without wanting realization to mistake through the ugliness the open all the things we cant replace i will control
- moist, creature
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:43:36 PDT From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Derek´s sig Message-ID: <19980519164336.25056.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Derek's signature looks more like a seismograph impersonation than a >name.
Yeah but if you watch it from different angles you can actually see a D in there! :-)
-Ville-
P.S.King Crimson:"Live In Japan"-video kicks royal butt!Get it.NOW!
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Date: Tue, 19 May 98 11:52:09 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Caught in a mosh Message-ID: <3561b8b71980002@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
Okay, Kez, you just don't get it man.
Granted: it is rude for somebody to start a mosh in the midst of people who don't want it.
Having said that, you have no right to tell people that they can't mosh. You can call it asinine, but as eckie said, if you don't like it, move. How can you say that your mode of enjoying a concert is more correct than theirs? As long as you can stand somewhere to avoid them, we can all get along.
And I think you're mixing up two seperate phenomenon here....
"If you don't like the fact that I'm taller than you, than move from behind me, or get there before me. But don't attempt to move me out of your way with 'moshing'."
You're confusing the people who are actually moshing, and the people who are trying to crush into the front row. The mosh pit is generally a few rows of people away from the stage, for the simple fact that the first few rows are too packed in to move.
Now, you may be the only gracious concert-going tall person I've ever heard of. "Move from behind me"? That's what people try to do, but most tall assholes who get in the front won't let anyone get in front of them, which is where the problem starts. That's when you get people trying to force their way up, because some seven foot tall dude in front of them is fighting their every attempt to be able to actually see the show.
"There is something that most civilized people recognize as personal space. Unless I invite someone to invade that personal space, they have no right to be there."
What right to *you* have to get into *their* space and tell them how to use it, even if that space is a mosh? Once again, if you don't like it, stay the hell out.
"If you don't like my elbow collapsing you larynx, then don't assault me in a way that begs retaliation."
And if you would stay out of the way, then there wouldn't be a problem to begin with, would there? It's called compromise. Moshers, as long as they are not seeking you out and injuring you, have just as much right to enjoy the concert in their way as you do.
-Brian, who enjoys an occasional mosh but wouldn't do it at a DT show
"You've got to believe in someone, asking me who is right, asking me who to follow...don't ask me, I don't know." - Ozzy Coleridge on IRC Web: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hayd0029
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:53:17 EDT From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: 7-string Madness Message-ID: <3714049c.3561b8fe@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-19 12:48:55 EDT, you write:
<< the black and green one was the only Universe they were still making in 93 and 94 when petrucci asked Ibanez for a 7 string. it's certainly a cool guitar, i just don't like the lime green. >>
yea, I suppose he was using that on the video because ibanez didn't make his custom one yet, and that was the only 7string available.
>> i don't know about what he plays live, but in my Ibanez 7 string promo video he is playing a beautiful blue sunburst, one pickup custom Ibanez 7 string. >>
well, everytime i saw him live, he uses a white 7-string, it looks pretty bad (good bad), but i prefer the vai series looks.
>>i have an extra copy of this Ibanez 7th Heaven promo video, it's a half hour long with interviews and playing and live/music video clips of Petrucci, vai, and the guys from Fear Factory, Limp Bizkit, and Korn [idiots]. if anyone is interested in buying or trading for it, make me an offer. <<
i am very interested in it, unfortunately, i have no bootlegs or anything at all.. actually i do have the DT concert that was in tokyo on myungs birthday on the Awake tour, but you probably already have that.
Rocky
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:14:21 EDT From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com> To: eckie@imap1.asu.edu Cc: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: You're no fun.... Message-ID: <92683b4c.3561bdee@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-19 12:28:18 EDT, you write:
<< That's a good point. But let's look at something...I said in that post that it was the cavemen doing the heavy, random moshing. I don't run into many cavemen at prog concerts, even if it is progMETAL. Seriously, at all the prog shows I've been to the people attending are actually friendly and approachable. >>
Eckie,
I just wanted to thank you for the civilized response. It does my heart good to have a nice, non-flame debate like that.
<<The reason people are bouncing is because they're enjoying the concert experience so much they're losing bodily functions.>>
I would RATHER they pee on my leg than push me out of the way. ;~)
<<If you're in the "I'll mosh at a concert if I want to" train of thought and you're reading this...please, take this hint: If nobody else is bouncing around or into you, don't start a mosh pit there.>>
Perfectly put.
<<Personally, I don't mosh.>>
Me either.
<<I'm tryin' to give a counterpoint argument to Matt's original argument, but I'm not as coherent as Ptacek or even Johnny Lee Middleton most of the time. Oh man...maybe I'M wrong.... It is a tad selfish isn't it? But just how much fun is somebody allowed to have at a concert experience, then? So long as the people bouncing around aren't causing bruises and knife wounds, I haven't had any problem with mosh pits, aside from the rush of bodies collapsing into you trying to avoid them.>>
And I was just giving an old man's opinion. Do leg cramps count, from holding up myself and two others? Actually, I've been fortunate to not be caught in a real mosh, just major pushing to the front by people that didn't feel like waiting in line to get up front. THAT'S what pissed me off. I spent 80% of the show just trying to remain upright, and trying to keep the smaller persons in front of me from dying. And I DID get bruises from that!
<<See, NOW you're talkin'! Violence! Bwahahaha....>>
It always ends up that way, huh? I almost lost control and hurt the Pinball Guy at Daytona's, but why should I get thrown out? Damn, now I want another show........
Ytse on (but NO moshing!) Kez
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