YTSEJAM digest 3918

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YTSEJAM Digest 3918

Today's Topics:

  1) Forth Worth
by Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
  2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3917
by EVO V <EVOV@aol.com>
  3) LA: HOB- a chick's POV
by SoulShker <SoulShker@aol.com>
  4) LA HOB chick's POV
by SoulShker <SoulShker@aol.com>
  5) Hey Big Swifty!
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
  6) moshing
by cherylcat@earthlink.net
  7) Mosh!!
by Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@mail.geocities.com>
  8) More whining about moshing
by Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@mail.geocities.com>
  9) Tall People - The other side
by Beyond the Mirror <mail@beyondthemirror.com>
10) Kashzilla
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
11) Re: Tall People - The other side
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3917
by Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3917
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
14) JP video in Finland
by Michael Karlsson <o-karmic@jmk.su.se>
15) next Vai
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
16) Re: next Vai
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
17) Moshing: Get away before I hit you with my walker!
by "Suplizio, Jim" <Jim.Suplizio@GSC.GTE.Com>

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:16:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Forth Worth
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980519221418.29574D-100000@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>

hey, anyone going to the Forth Worth Show?
I would like to know if there were tour t shirts on the other venues
across the US and how much were they, if anyone knows please let me know
(Email me privately). we'll be arriving to FT Worth saturday morning, see
ya all at Billy Miners.

thanks a lot

--- Alan Estrada Email: al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:22:10 EDT From: EVO V <EVOV@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3917 Message-ID: <3b239a62.35624c64@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-05-19 23:14:35 EDT, you write:

<< Check into the Rg-7620 before the UV's. The Rg 7 is just as good, it just doesn't have that pyramid shit all over it. My RG 7 plays great. I've had it for three weeks and haven't picked up my Ibanez Jem since and I thought that the Jem was a great guitar (it still is BTW). >>

One of the main reasons I want a UV over the RG is for the pyramid! It adds to the uniqueness of it. Nothing has beat my JEM's so far. I haven't had a guitar come close to it whatsoever.

<<> Andy D > The Next Steve Vai

Ha! I don't believe that for a minute!

Now THATS encouragement. And if you would have read my post about the tag, you'd realize what it actually meant and wouldnt have said anything about it. Andy D The Next Steve Vai

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:28:50 EDT From: SoulShker <SoulShker@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: LA: HOB- a chick's POV Message-ID: <8a847338.35624df3@aol.com>

Hey Jammers:

It's "The Chick with the Burgandy Hair" again...LOL!!!! Okie dokie a Lady Jammer's POv of the HOB shows...

****SPOILER*****

I was on Derek's side of the stage both times but luckily on the rail more towards the center on Monday night so I could see Mike's face...his symbol blocked his antics most of sunday night until he played down center with the 2nd set. He's an ANIMAL...I swear that man has 8 limbs or something. My brother got his stick last night...much to my jealousy. Like ya read from Mike himself...Ray and Bruce came out...we were flipping out. Trevor and I kept looking at each other wondering what else was gonna happen that night. I'm still in Post Dream Theater bliss. Derek's is a rock star 100%...plays with his eyes closed and behind his back and even looks like he's making love to his keyboards at some moments (wicked grin and a purr). He was amazing. He didn't do Nicky Lemons...I was bumned. They were all feeding off the crowd's frenzy on Monday night...it was just amazing. I can't wait until they come to down again!!!!!! >Trevor, Rick, Calvin, (the girl who was by me bost nights who I can't remember your name ) - GREAT meeting you and Trev...hanging at the rail with you rocked. >Charlie: You managed to find me both nights! Wish you would have gotten up there and sang too!!!! >Derek - yes it was me in front. ;-) >Ian, Johnny, and Joey - my ears are still ringing...Fang was great on sunday after the show but wish we would have gotten there sooner.

Be good kids and let the short people in front and don't mosh the gals against the rails! Keep on jammin'!

Celeste ("C.C.") SoulShker@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:33:08 EDT From: SoulShker <SoulShker@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: LA HOB chick's POV Message-ID: <220131e8.35624ef5@aol.com>

Dr Mosh....how could I forget you???? I'm sorry!!!!!

and DOC it was great meeting you too!!!!!! :)

Cel

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:07:59 -0400 From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hey Big Swifty! Message-ID: <199805200407.AAA06540@daffy.cs.wm.edu>

Sorry for the clutter, gang. Mark, I lost your e-mail address. Could you e-mail me please? Thanks.

Started my summer job this week, which essentially means no time to read e-mail. If anything important's going on, someone let me know.

Oh, and my sweet, kind roommate turned off the long distance service when she moved out. (Thank Ged I'm moving Friday.) So, from now until the weekend, I can't call anyone. If you've been trying to get to me (Syrinx), call after about 9:00 pm or so, or just wait till Saturday.

Anyone know if/when there's a Baltimore or DC DT/DP/ELP show yet?

Brian Henderson: E-mail me. I have a tape for you.

People I owe tapes: Sorry for the continued delay. I'll get to everything Sunday, while I unpack in the new place (yay!).

That's it for now. -d

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:08:57 -0700 From: cherylcat@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: moshing Message-ID: <35625759.35B70731@earthlink.net>

Standing at a whopping 5'1" and weighing in at 110 lbs, I must say I avoid mosh pits like the plague. If I am attending a Sepultura show, I will make sure I stay far, far away from the pit area. If I'm at a show where I don't expect a pit, I'll most likely try to be near the front. (Being short has MANY disadvantages). All I say is, to you moshers, it would be nice if you showed a little respect for your neighbor who is standing 3 inches away from you.............not everyone likes to participate.

rockercat

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:13:45 -0400 From: Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@mail.geocities.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mosh!! Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980520001219.007d5520@mail.geocities.com>

Someone typed the following on their little keyboard: >I have little tolerance for rudeness or ignorance. >Common fucking courtesy, folks.

Hmm.. *Analyses the above sentences*

"I have little tolerance for rudeness" ... "Common Fucking Courtesy"

I don't get it.. He doesn't like people who are rude.. and uses one of the most well spiced words in the english vocabulary to prove his point.. Hmm.. I guess his self tolerance is higher then the tolerance for other people :)

Then over to the moshing... Okay.. I have to admit that I can't see myself headbanging and jumping up and down like an insane maniac to a Dream Theater tune.. Scuse me, but the music sorta doesn't quite fit in.. I mean, when we talk about Grunge, o-tay... Or bands like Pantera, megadeth and other heavy stuff..

But I can't see why others can't jump up and down.. I mean.. If moshing makes your experience of a concert any better, after all, moshing like a maniac for about fourty five minutes sure gets your pulserate going, and that at least creates a little outlet for the adrenaline rush that you are bound to have when listening to DT.

Mosh on, my fellow moshdudes.. I know I will.. But to Dream Theater? Nah.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:25:12 -0400 From: Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@mail.geocities.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: More whining about moshing Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980520002303.007d63d0@mail.geocities.com>

>OK, here's an idea. If you guys want to mosh to Dream Theater, >here's what you do: >Get a bunch of guys over, put a DT CD in your stereo <snip>

Aaah.. Now I got it all clear.. First I go to the local pawn shop and see if they got any 30" speakers for sale, and preferrably a thousand watts amp, and a high quality CD player... Silently pray that you can get all that for under $200, And then I rig it all in my living room, start a moshpit, and everybody gets knocked out by jumping frantically into the quick rotating ceiling fan...

I don't think so.

The big point of a concert is that you get the "wall" of sound going... I mean.. C'mon.. Why do you go? yea.. It is an experience to see your fave band.. I admit that gladly.. But hey, the volume, and the people really getting into the music around you is the ATMOSPHERE (sp?)...

I personally think that seing the guys beat up the poor drums, rip apart the poor guitars and smash the synths is 49% of the fun.. 50% is the fans and the "vibes" that get going.. The last 1% is whatever you do after the concert (Hmm.. Not elaborating on that one)

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:33:44 -0500 From: Beyond the Mirror <mail@beyondthemirror.com> To: "'YJ Digest'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tall People - The other side Message-ID: <01BD837E.C12B4BC0.mail@beyondthemirror.com>

Well, I AM 6' 6" and 250 pounds, so here's my side of the story:-)

I understand that I'm at a tremendous advantage at any concert where people are standing but I don't like to flaunt it, nor be unfair, nor piss anyone off. But, am I happy hanging out at the back of a room of a general admission show? Heck no, I want to get close to the action as much as anyone else. I can't control how tall I am any more than the rest of you. As a result I tend to do a lot of slouching when I know that there are shorter people behind me and I usually leave the venue with a backache - alas, knowing that my personal sacrifice was most likely unappreciated ;~(

You can hate me because I'm beautiful, Just don't hate me because I'm tall :-) Josh Becker josh@beyondthemirror.com http://www.beyondthemirror.com

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 01:36:01 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Kashzilla Message-ID: <01IX8LELLFMA0005TP@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>

Date sent: 20-MAY-1998 01:19:18

"AAAAAARGHHH! RAPING! *RAPING* THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN! PUFF...MUST... DIIIIIEEEE!"

These were the final words heard from what had been the Hoyts Cinema on Rt.3 in Plattsburgh, NY, where, as we understand it, a young man by the name of Joshua Rasiel appears to have gone postal, mysteriously, after watching a sneak preview of the movie Godzilla.

As of now, no survivors have been found in the wreckage, except for some fat, old, stupid, moronic, pickup driving, Ames shopping, trailer park inhabiting, "Family Matters" watching guy named Cletus.

And back to you in the station, Dick.

............................................................ Joshua Rasiel mailto: rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu Check out Another Page at www.j51.com/~mrasiel. Hot Diggity!

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:44:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Tall People - The other side Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980519224151.7720B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>

On Tue, 19 May 1998, Beyond the Mirror wrote:

>anyone else. I can't control how tall I am any more than the rest of you.

You *can't*? Gee, maybe I am the only one who can control the length of his body at will, stretching like a rubber-band around the crowds. At least I get to wear a cool uniform (It has a 4 on it, not an X) and hang out with equally cool people... aww, ferget it... (sob) I want to be normal!

DT Content: The reason nobody saw Nicky Lemons was prolly because, according to a "press release" earlier in last week or so, it was mentioned that Nicky wouldn't be appearing at any of the rest of the tour, siting "contempt for prog" as the main reason... take that however you will.

--Matt (the other one)

--------------------------------------------------------------------- "I stayed up all night playing poker with tarot cards. I got a full house and four people died." -- Steven Wright ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 02:38:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3917 Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.980520022902.15860A-100000@river.it.gvsu.edu>

> From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>

> would make eye contact with whoever it was, and shake my head, and I > wouldn't be hit again, although I am 6'3" and 200 lbs. with long black > hair with a goatee(sometimes) and have been told I look like a cousin of > Satan, maybe that's why. The only time I have ever had to resort to any

Oh my god, we may be separated at birth. I match your description perfectly, I've even got the Satan thing before. Eerie, eerie indeed. A cool imagine for my band, but hell on the social life. Oy.

> From: Portnoy420 <Portnoy420@aol.com>

> The good news for everybody...... > The entire show was recorded by Westwood One for a possible radio broadcast > sometime in the future!! So you all may be in for a treat!!

Kick ass!!! Hey Mike, while on the topic of live recording, any chance we get some info about the possible upcoming live video?

-C#

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 02:46:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3917 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980520024151.85158A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>

On Tue, 19 May 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > Show #2 - 5/18/98 > Lines In The Sand > Burning My Soul > Take The Time (w/ Freebird, Hot For Teacher, Moby Dick & YYZ) > Anna Lee (2nd drum kit) > Speak To Me (2nd drum kit) > (keyboard solo) > A Crack in The Mirror > Puppies on Acid (The Mirror) > Just Let Me Breathe > Lie > Peruvian Skies (w/ Have A Cigar & Enter Sandman) > (guitar solo w/ Paradigm Shift, It's a Small World & Flight of the Bumblebee) > Pull Me Under (w/ Ray Alder of Fates Warning) > Scarred > ACOS 4 > Ytse Jam > (drum solo w/ Audience Participation & Reign in Blood) > New Millennium > encore: > Perfect Strangers, The Trooper & bits of The Prisoner, Where Eagles Dare, > Run To The Hills & Killers (w/ Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden) > (medley) > Metropolis Pt.1 > Learning To Live > ACOS 7 > >Oh my God!!!! This may be the perfect set list, even w/o the guests. If this does go on the air, you can be damn sure I'll be recording it. Actually, I take that back. Through in "Surrounded" and it would be the perfect show. But this comes DAMN close.

Richie

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:54:41 +0200 From: Michael Karlsson <o-karmic@jmk.su.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: JP video in Finland Message-ID: <v03020900b1883c52183d@[130.237.155.55]>

Jani Liimatainen wanted to know where he can get the JP instruction video in Finland. I don't have it, but I know that Fazer Music in Aleksanterinkatu in Helsinki has had it in store for a long time. Last time I saw it was maybe a month ago or so. Try there!

Michael

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:01:09 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: next Vai Message-ID: <199805200801.LAA02080@xyz.estcard.ee>

]From: "Todd Beachler" <sonicprod@earthlink.net>

> > Andy D > > The Next Steve Vai > Ha! I don't believe that for a minute!

I've been silently wondering, why not? The guy started off younger than Vai (or Petrucci) and if he keeps it up, who knows what he can do? Rowan Robertson was 17 when he played with Dio on "Lock Up The Wolves" and he was playing some really, really sick stuff. Secret? He started playing at the age of 5 and kept up with it. So don't dismiss the statement so easily, even if it sounds too pompous.

Jam related, isn't it? :-)

Raivo Hool NT administrator, Estonian Card Center of Banks

e-mail: raitz@estcard.ee Office: (+372) 6 711 416 GSM: (+372) 51 43 567

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 01:34:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: next Vai Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980520013250.29166A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>

On Wed, 20 May 1998, Raivo Hool wrote:

> >]From: "Todd Beachler" <sonicprod@earthlink.net> > >> > Andy D >> > The Next Steve Vai >> Ha! I don't believe that for a minute! > >I've been silently wondering, why not? The guy started off younger than >Vai (or Petrucci) and if he keeps it up, who knows what he can do? Rowan >Robertson was 17 when he played with Dio on "Lock Up The Wolves" and he >was playing some really, really sick stuff. Secret? He started playing at >the age of 5 and kept up with it. So don't dismiss the statement so >easily, even if it sounds too pompous.

Plus, he's proven to be in e-mail contact with the real Steve Vai, so, who knows? Maybe the title has already been bestowed, and he's just waiting for the retirement of this generation's Steve Vai... ^_^

> >Jam related, isn't it? :-) >

As much as my post is... ^_^ ..Prolly more so. ^_^ >Raivo Hool >NT administrator, >Estonian Card Center of Banks > >e-mail: raitz@estcard.ee >Office: (+372) 6 711 416 >GSM: (+372) 51 43 567 >

--Matt

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 07:30:24 -0400 From: "Suplizio, Jim" <Jim.Suplizio@GSC.GTE.Com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Moshing: Get away before I hit you with my walker! Message-ID: <C5B7060FE2DCD011A8730060B01A6244322D26@mail.rtp.gtegsc.com>

I have to laugh reading all the posts about moshing. I have to agree that moshing really doesn't belong at a DT or FW show (at least not FW after PS). When metal first started getting popular (or emerging from the underground) most shows had about 40-60 people (in Rochester, NY). It was basically the same people at every show and we had at modicum of unwritten etiquette. Moshing was friendly, violent fun where the object was to blow off steam while at the same time getting completely into the band. People did not intentionally try to hurt people (the pit looked a lot like a pinball machine with 20 pinballs in it). If someone fell the people in the immediate area helped them up, if someone stage dove then people caught them (well, there were a _few_ accidents). The reason for this was we felt lucky that club owners were having metal bands play, now everyone has the 'FUCK EVERYONE BUT MYSELF' attitude and that big oaf of a jock dildo only comes to the concert to see how many noses he can break. (Just look at the idiots in the pit at any Metallica concert in the past 8 years "you bumped into me so when you're not looking I'll bust your face") What makes things even sadder is when a kid gets hurt (from his own stupidity or someone else's) and the club gets closed down because he or his family sues the place because, well because that's what the greedy bastards in America call a winning lottery ticket. As far as 'personal space' goes at a concert...keep dreaming. As far as etiquette goes define some here and have the people start following it at a concert. People tend to learn by example if the _whole_ crowd does one thing others will tend to follow like lemmings.

Jim

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