YTSEJAM Digest 3919
Today's Topics:
1) Hey D-man
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
2) 'M' words
by NGA <nga@software-ag.de>
3) I&W the cover band not the cd
by Daniel Nobles <dan_elly@yahoo.com>
4) Lords of Sound
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
5) Let's Get Ready To Rumble
by "Rafaloff, Ryan " <Bimmered@mjet.com>
6) Let's get Ready to Rumble
by "Rafaloff, Ryan " <Bimmered@mjet.com>
7) New stuff from...?
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
8) Re: Tall People - The other side (from the short side)
by Lisa Marie Peterson <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
9) re: Chroma Key news
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
10) tall vs. getting there early
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
11) The REAL issue -no SF Mosh
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
12) RE: tall vs. getting there early
by Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com>
13) DT/ELP/DP tour
by Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca (Lauzon, Gary: IHAB)
14) Re: tall vs. getting there early
by "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com>
15) Re: DT/ELP/DP in Chicago
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
16) Re: DT/HOB
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3915
by Nick Storr <nick_storr@mail.onaustralia.com.au>
18) LA Show
by Richard Warren <rwarren@ixlmemphis.com>
19) HOLY SHIT!
by Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:41:42 EDT
From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hey D-man
Message-ID: <9c34bc1e.3562cf87@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-20 00:23:00 EDT, you write:
<< Anyone know if/when there's a Baltimore or DC DT/DP/ELP show yet? >>
No confirmed dates or times yet, but the official page(I think) has removed
the Baltimore reference, and just says Washington - TBA.
Any chance you'll make it up for Savatage?
Check you later,
Kez
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:14:02 +0100
From: NGA <nga@software-ag.de>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: 'M' words
Message-ID: <01BD8401.EC7D72C0@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
and I thought the English language was famous for its 'F' word! But it =
now
seems that we have two 'M' words here on the list: #etallica, and now
#oshing. The former is still a great live band, and I don't really get =
bothered
by, or care about the other. But what does really piss me off at =
concerts
are all the long-haired headbangers who insist on headbanging either =
right next to me or in front of me while I'm holding a beer. I get their =
revolting
hair tossed into my face and their disgusting dandruff forms a thin skin =
on
my beer. Requests to stop are usually met with glazed eyes and comments
like "cool it, dude, like I'm really into this". What does help though =
is a
carefully placed elbow the next time they swing upwards after a =
particularly
intricate air guitar solo - never fails.
Q: What's 30 yards long, has no pubic hair and screams?
A: The front row at a Hanson concert.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Kamelot - Siege Perilous (promo - a lot of you are =
going
to like this)
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 06:56:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Nobles <dan_elly@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I&W the cover band not the cd
Message-ID: <19980520135602.7395.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com>
Hey gang:
Just to let everyone in the rochester NY area know that the DT cover
band I&W will be playing in Rochester NY on Sat may 23 at the Penny
Arcade. Anyone intersted in going email me privately and maybe we can
meet there or before the show.
Justdan
==
blue pain fades to a point where it doesn't fade.......
it stays........ blue............
Marillion
This strange Engine
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:18:29 -0400
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Lords of Sound
Message-ID: <3562E635.EED4A508@bdm.com>
I'm listening to the Lords of Sound boot cds (great BTW...) right now.
Its weird hearing James go "Kevin Moore on keyboards, and then Kevin
starts into Wait For Sleep.
The liner notes have an interesting description of DT.
"DT-the missing link between thrash and progressive"
NP:DT-Lords of Sound
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Date: Wed, 20 May 98 10:36:12 EST5EDT From: "Rafaloff, Ryan " <Bimmered@mjet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Let's Get Ready To Rumble Message-ID: <199805201436.HAA25518@odin.ax.com>
This has nothing to do with moshing. And moshing should have nothing to do with DT so LETS PLEASE DROP THIS DUMB ASS SUBJECT.
This is for the Trinity owners out there. Is the "Let's Get Ready to Rumble" patch which was on one of Derek's Trinity's a stock sound? I would guess not, but I was just wondering. I have a O1Wfd and I really want to go upgrade to the SILVER. :)
Later,
-Raf- ================================= "Sometimes, the anguish we survive, And the mysteries we nurture, Are the fabrics of our lives..." Lines in the Sand - Dream Theater =================================
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Date: Wed, 20 May 98 11:00:14 EST5EDT From: "Rafaloff, Ryan " <Bimmered@mjet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Let's get Ready to Rumble Message-ID: <199805201500.IAA26257@odin.ax.com>
This has nothing to do with moshing...and moshing should have nothing to do with DT so LETS PLEASE DROP THIS DUMB ASS SUBJECT.
Here's one for the Trinity owners. Is the "let's get ready to rumble" patch which is on one of Derek's Trinity's a stock sound. I doubted it was, but I was just wondering. I currently have an O1Wfd, but am looking to upgrade to something SILVER :)
Later,
-Raf-
================================= "Sometimes, the anguish we survive, And the mysteries we nurture, Are the fabrics of our lives..." Lines in the Sand - Dream Theater =================================
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:26:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net> To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New stuff from...? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980520111844.3322A-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
I'm looking for a couple new releases that I've heard discussed here, but since I'm trying to save for a Korg Trinity, I don't have oodles to spend on imports. Can anybody let me know on the status of release in the U.S. for the following:
Therion -- Vovin Yngwie -- Concerto for Electric Guitar and Orchestra Blind Guardian -- Nightfall in Middle-Earth
Thanks to anybody who has info. Email or post here if you think everyone else wants to know too. :)
Ta, Phil
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:28:44 -0700 From: Lisa Marie Peterson <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Tall People - The other side (from the short side) Message-ID: <3562F6AB.229F4B47@pacbell.net>
Beyond the Mirror wrote: > > Well, I AM 6' 6" and 250 pounds, so here's my side of the story:-) > > I understand that I'm at a tremendous advantage at any concert where people > are standing but I don't like to flaunt it, nor be unfair, nor piss anyone > off. But, am I happy hanging out at the back of a room of a general > admission show? Heck no, <snip>
You shouldn't have to either!
I'm 5'4", and most people tower over me at a concert. At the DT show in SF, I was about 8-10 rows back, and was standing behind Chris Oates throughout most of the show, he's about 5'9", and I would like to add that he DID graciously offer the spot in front of him to me (thanks Chris <grin>) however, I declined. It wouldn't have made any difference anyway, considering the person in front of HIM was even taller. It's ridiculous to expect someone to give up their spot for someone else just because they happen to be tall... if it's so damn important for short people to be in front then they should get there earlier!
Lisa Marie ytsegirl@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/ytsegirl _____________________________________ THOUGHTS - Spock's Beard Mailing List http://www.dreamt.org/spocksbeard _____________________________________
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:09:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Chroma Key news Message-ID: <19980520160925.7950.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com>
As of 5/20, the news on Chroma Key is:
>the chroma key-album will be released on June 22nd >and will be available everywhere by then. > >massacre rec.
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:15:20 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: tall vs. getting there early Message-ID: <01IX97T2HZJG00075N@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
Date sent: 20-MAY-1998 12:00:45
>Their "every attempt to be able to see the show" should have been thought >of before the show starts, by getting there early, standing in line, etc
I don't know about that. I had this argument right after the Irving show, too. My viewpoint is that it's unfair for a short guy to have to get to the show earlier then the tall guy, just to enjoy the same thing. Ok, if the tall guy goes out of his way to get a good space, fine, this is america, he gets to keep it. But how about this: At that particular show, I was in the balcony where there were about 10 people behind one tall guy who stood stone still and eclipsed us all. Now, there was a wheelchaired person at the balcony and this tall guy might have been with him, in which case there's no problem. but I don't think so. I think in this case, the tall guy should have noticed that we couldn't see shit behind him. If he'd let us in front of him, it wouldn't have a *bit* of difference because it was all the balcony anyway! Just a little courtesy, a little lookin' out for your fellow man, that'd be nice. I'd do it for you.
There were also two 7 footers near, but not at, the front, who didn't move at all. I don't believe they even changed facial expression.
Basically the problem isn't so much with tall guys at the front, it's with tall guys right in front of *me*. If you move back a little, the angle isn't as steep and you can see a little better, but then you're bound to end up behind some other tall guy if you do that too much.
The ideal solution would be to show up with really kickin' platform shoes or something, but I always forget to bring mine.
What would be cool is if they'd step the floor, or at least angle it. That would help a little. Alternatively, I'm considering the purchase of rappelling(sp?) equipment and a grappling hook so I can just hang from the ceiling.
josh
............................................................ Joshua Rasiel mailto: rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu Check out Another Page at www.j51.com/~mrasiel. Hot Diggity!
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:25:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The REAL issue -no SF Mosh Message-ID: <19980520162545.6852.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com>
This is my only post on the moshing thread, and I'd just like to remind everyone how this started.
I was right in the middle of it at the SF show. The original issue (and complaint) was not about moshing. What really happened was 3 large, drunken, smelly fellows decided to rush the front of the stage at the start of the show. (They started from the bar at the back of the hall.) This was a case of pushing, jumping on, and generally attacking everyone who had been standing there for an hour. Several less large patrons followed suit after the example was set. Of course this kind of stage rush ripples through the whole crowd.
There was no MOSH! What they did may have gotten them killed at a Slayer show! The complaint has nothing to do with moshing! I've been in the middle of many pits at hardcore shows, and have never seen this kind of rudeness.
My point - The original complaint really had nothing to do with moshing. The debate about the freedom of moshing really doesn't apply to the original problem. And hopefully the debate is all moshed out now.
my .02, BH
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:31:41 -0700 From: Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: tall vs. getting there early Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980520093141.00b279a0@mail.legato.com>
Josh suggested:
<The ideal solution would be to show up with really kickin' platform shoes or something, but I always forget to bring mine. >
Hey that's a neat idea BUT.... I wore my famous platform sneakers to the show which added another 3 inches to my 5'5" height and dammit I was still too short AND...oh my ged my feet were killing me after the show. In fact they still hurt and these were rubber soles and padded shoes. Good thing I didn't wear my 5 inch platforms, altho they make great weapons for kicking moshers in the shin! Since I had to stand so long at the show I think the next time I'll wear my nice purple fuzzy slippers so at least my feet won't hurt. Hey I won't be able to see...but I won't be in pain either!
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:34:43 -0400 From: Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca (Lauzon, Gary: IHAB) To: ytsejam@ax.com ('DT') Subject: DT/ELP/DP tour Message-ID: <1998May20.122331.1255.2428613@msmail.ic.gc.ca>
Hello jammers
Pardon my ignorance but I was wondering apprx how much time does each of these bands have on stage. DP will proly have more cuz its their show but what about DT and.. ELP! 45 minutes.. an hour? Just curious if someone might have some sort of idea..!?!
Looking fwd to the MTL show on August 18!! (dont have to go to TO like I did last Fall)
Gary
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:44:12 -0700 From: "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: tall vs. getting there early Message-ID: <199805201643.QAA28296@lainet1.lainet.com>
At the 2nd nite at the HoB, I arrived just before FotM finished their set. I got 4th row back. Not bad. I'm not a extremely tall guy. I stand at 6' even, and rarely get called shorty. ;) The dude in front of me was a couple inches taller. No big deal, I scoot to the side a little, and I've got a perfect view. About half way through the show, this really tall guy about 6'5" or so, decides he wants the spot -in front- of me. He tried squeezing in. I said, "Hey man, spot's taken. Sorry!" He said, "Dude, let me through!" I was like, "Man, I was here how long ago and got this spot, and you want to get in front of me and block -my- view? Get real!" He copped an attitude with me a went off.
If Mr. Audet, who got front and center that nite, happened to have been 7'5" and was blocking the view of James' knee-caps the entire show, who would have objected to him blocking James' knees the whole show? (My point is, he showed up early to get the spot, the man deserves the spot. Even if I can't see James' knees...)
-sp00L
down by the railway siding in our secret world, we were colliding in all the places we were hiding love what was it we were thinking of?
- peter gabriel, secret world
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:34:15 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT/ELP/DP in Chicago Message-ID: <199805210433.VAA03942@odin.ax.com>
> I know it's a little early, but is anyone tentatively planning to go see > the Purple/DT show in Tinley Park? I'd really like to go if ticket prices > are reasonable and I don't have to be anywhere that day. Just wondering. Good chance I'll be there since, yet again, I haven't seen anything even remotely resembling a St. Louis date. Are tickets on sale for that show yet?
Dale R> Newberry drnewb@spiff.net
"By the time they had dimished from 50 to 8, the other dwarves began to suspect 'Hungry.'" -Gary Larson
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:48:25 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT/HOB Message-ID: <199805210446.VAA04079@odin.ax.com>
> Anyways... so... like John said... the HoB show Monday night... about a 3 > hour set... and fucking BRUCE DICKINSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn, I'd have to have a smoke and a cold shower after that one. Wow, sounds like it was a blast.
Dale R. Newberry drnewb@spiff.net
"By the time they had dimished from 50 to 8, the other dwarves began to suspect 'Hungry.'" -Gary Larson
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:37:19 +1000 From: Nick Storr <nick_storr@mail.onaustralia.com.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3915 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980521153638.007b0230@mail.onaustralia.com.au>
>>Cool! Only make mine a Z1 :) > >Gift. Horse. Mouth.
Foot. Mouth.
Sorry if I caused any offense here, none was intended!
>Fer God's sake, he'd *give* us a Trinity *each*!!! >That's like turning down a Mustang 'cause your fav car's really a BMW >Z3... lame... ^_^
Well.., now that you mention it... ;)
And it's not a _Real_ situation you realise... Of course I'd never turn down a trinity (or a Mustang!). I simply meant to say, in a light hearted manner, that I liked the Z1! And you can't blame me for that. It's a VERY noce synth.
Nick
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:45:04 -0500 From: Richard Warren <rwarren@ixlmemphis.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: LA Show Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980521004447.00766b48@popmail.ixlmemphis.com>
OK, I've seen the set list for the 2nd night HOB in LA show. I want a copy!! Did anyone record it? I have plenty to trade.
later,
Richard rwarren@ixlmemphis.com
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 02:10:18 -0400 From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: HOLY SHIT! Message-ID: <3563C54A.8E16B788@ic3.ithaca.edu>
>Show #2 - 5/18/98 >Lines In The Sand >Burning My Soul >Take The Time (w/ Freebird, Hot For Teacher, Moby Dick & YYZ) >Anna Lee (2nd drum kit) >Speak To Me (2nd drum kit) >(keyboard solo) >A Crack in The Mirror >Puppies on Acid (The Mirror) >Just Let Me Breathe >Lie >Peruvian Skies (w/ Have A Cigar & Enter Sandman) >(guitar solo w/ Paradigm Shift, It's a Small World & Flight of the Bumblebee) >Pull Me Under (w/ Ray Alder of Fates Warning) >Scarred >ACOS 4 >Ytse Jam >(drum solo w/ Audience Participation & Reign in Blood) >New Millennium >encore: >Perfect Strangers, The Trooper & bits of The Prisoner, Where Eagles Dare, >Run To The Hills & Killers (w/ Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden) >(medley) >Metropolis Pt.1 >Learning To Live >ACOS 7 > > >I have to say that this 2nd show goes down in the Dream Theater history books >as one of the coolest of ALL TIME!!! >The good news for everybody...... >The entire show was recorded by Westwood One for a possible radio broadcast >sometime in the future!! So you all may be in for a treat!!
HOLY SHIT! What an awesome show! If anyone has it, I'm up for some trades. I have a good deal of OLD King Crimson, if anyone's interested.
Damn....Iron Maiden is up there with DT for me and I almost shit my pants when I saw that setlist! DAMN!
Chris
-- Between the iron gates of fate, The seeds of time were sown, And watered by the deeds of those Who know and who are known; Knowledge is a deadly friend When no one sets the rules. The fate of all mankind I see Is in the hands of fools.
- King Crimson
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