YTSEJAM Digest 3927
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Ozrics
by Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net>
2) Re: Fish & DT
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
3) Re: Comments to some jamsters. And ruMOORE'S from KorgX3
by AL <al@isd.net>
4) No New singer
by AL <al@isd.net>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3926
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
6) Derek = fun?
by NGA <nga@software-ag.de>
7) Home sweet home!
by Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <ytsekirby@geocities.com>
8) Floater...
by NGA <nga@software-ag.de>
9) Ozric Tenticles
by Peter <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3926
by Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@mail.geocities.com>
11) About Vai and Vanden Plas
by "Jani Liimatainen" <sirjani@hotmail.com>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3926
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
13) James LaBrie
by Bandit@siscor.bibnal.edu.ar
14) Please send YTSEJAM digest 3924
by Max Arbot <MaxArbot@aol.com>
15) Re: setlist as openers
by Matthew Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
16) DP/ELP Setlist
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
17) =?iso-8859-1?Q?re:_New_topic:=A0_setlist_as_openers?=
by "Kurt Kober" <phobos@net-lynx.com>
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 00:08:25 -0700
From: Rick Audet <ytse@concentric.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Ozrics
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980525000820.00746e00@pop3.concentric.net>
Paul Cashman wrote regarding Ozric Tentacles:
>So it appears this isn't a big tour, alas and damnit. Hmmmm, $550
>minimum for airfare to San Fran and back; I can't QUITE fuckin afford
>it. And believe me, I wish I could. :)
Jammers: who's going to be at that show ? Me, Pam, Charoenkwan... anyone
else ? I think Medeski Martin & Wood are also playing at the Fillmore that
week. Anyone up for that ? WildKoba ? :)
Rick Audet
San Francisco
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 03:29:44 -0400
From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Fish & DT
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980525032944.007aa800@pop3.afn.org>
>um, i love Fish, but i would never want to hear him sing Dream Theater =]
I think it'd rock. Though coming up with DT songs that are angry enough
for Fish when he is the bile-filled Scotsman is sort of hard. Fish could probably
crank out "Just Let Me Breathe," though, and they could follow it with "Mirror/Lie,"
"Space Dye Vest,""LTL," ACOS (non-screaming version) and "Only a Matter of Time."
With an encore of "Fugazi," "Incubus" (a test of JP's emotion-evoking guitar
skills), and "Brother 52." Twould be a great gig.
"It's going to be either me or everyone else I kill,
so pray for my quick suicide." - afn39111@afn.org
This is who I am. -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 03:01:24 -0500
From: AL <al@isd.net>
To: YTSELAND <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Comments to some jamsters. And ruMOORE'S from KorgX3
Message-ID: <35692554.B1A5E94E@isd.net>
>AL forewarned:
>>> Eckie - Put that thing away before you need glasses!
>*taps on shoulder*
>"I'M OVER HERE!"
>~Eckie holsters his piece
Oop's, That was you? Here I thought you were the
troll collecting on past due bridge accounts.
~Al was ignoring the little spud.
Rumor has it, KorgX3 has hired Leonard Nimoy and the
"In Search OF" team locate Kevin Moore's Testicles.
If found, the proceeds from the sale of this valuable memorabilia
will be donated to the Eckie presidential campaign.
And the bidding begins at ?
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist And NO, I did not misspell that!Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 03:10:04 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: YTSELAND <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: No New singer Message-ID: <3569275C.FD1492B4@isd.net>
This thread needs closure, this is how rumors get started. James Labrie is NOT departing from DT. End of story..
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist And NO, I did not misspell that!
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 04:16:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3926 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980525032045.67404A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Mon, 25 May 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> Some things to think about. I'd definitely include "PMU" and "TTT", > which leaves about 25 minutes.
I wouldn't include TTT. When they do it at their own shows, they have the audience participate in singing the chorus. That's fine if the majority of people are familiar with the song. But if we're going under the assumption that most people at the DP/ELP/DT shows aren't too familiar with DT, then I would advise skipping TTT. There's nothing worse than expecting the audience to sing along and they don't. I saw this happen to Stepehn Pearcy's post-RATT band Arcade when they opened up for Bon Jovi. I felt really bad for them. Pity is not a selling point.
As for my own suggestions, I'd probably go with:
NM Lie BMS TSM (electric version) JLMB PMU Metropolis ACOS VII
Here's my rationale:
NM- LiTS is a much better opener, but it's too damn long. I'm going under the assumption that DT will have an hour to play. In the 12 minutes of LitS, the could play two or three other songs. It sucks but that's life. Anyway, NM would be a cool opener. It goes through a bunch of different moods, yet it's still accessible.
Lie- Opening slots are a good way to not only have people hear what you're currently doing, but to give them a glimpse into your back catalog as well. And at least in the US, Lie was the biggest single off Awake (to my knowledge...if CiAW did better, let me know and I'll revise my proposed set list). Plus, it's a good head-banger.
BMS- A single off the current album and another one that audience is likely to be familar with. Another good head-banger as well.
TSM- Well, you can't head-bang forever. This would provide a change of pace for the show, demonstrating DT's ability to write catchy, melodic songs as well as heavier ones. If ELP is as light as people on here are saying (don't know myself, haven't heard them), then this might appeal to their fans. I chose the electric version simply because it will make the transition between the two easier. I'm picturing something along the lines of what they did at the Birch Hill show a couple years back, where at the end of "Scarred" Mike went into this drum beat that serves as the transition into TSM. It would work well coming out of BMS. If not TSM, then an electric version of "Hollow Years" would work well here too.
JLMB- If anybody nodded off during TSM (or HY), this one will wake them right back up. It may not be a single, but it's heavy and, most importantly, it's current.
PMU- What DT show would be complete without their biggest single to date? I thought about this as an opener (ala "Waking Up The World" tour) and that might not be a bad idea. But if not as an opener, then definitely towards the end. This one has got to have a few people singing along.
Metropolis- Even if people haven't liked what they've heard so far, this one has to impress them on a purely technical level. It shows DT's "prog" side. The version they did at the Fix '96 shows is probably longer, but it would make for a good transition into.....
ACOS VII- I'm picturing them going straight into this after Metropolis. It not only exposes people to the ACOS album, but serves as an absolutely killer way to round off the evening.
I haven't timed this out or anything, but I'm pretty sure this would fit into the alotted time. We've got 3 from FII, 1 from ACOS, 2 from Awake, and 2 from I&W (their most popular album). Basically the main idea behind the set list I presented is to hit the people hard, hit them fast, and put your most accessible foot forward all at the same time. And always leave them wanting more. Sure, it doesn't demonstrate all the facets of Dream Theater. But it does touch on some of them and should be enough to wet people's appettites. After all, I had only heard PMU when I bought I&W. I had no idea that they were capable of songs like WFS, "Surrounded," " LSOAD," "HY," "AL," or "TAMP" at the time. It was a pleasant surprise, to say the least. Any comments?
Richie
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 10:25:57 +0100 From: NGA <nga@software-ag.de> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Derek = fun? Message-ID: <01BD87C7.824789D0@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
sounds like the concerts in the States are going really well and are also a lot of fun for both the band and the fans. Could it be that this increased 'fun factor' is due to Derek now being a fully integrated and accepted member of the band? The first time I saw the band (on the Images And Words tour), everybody - with the possible exception of Mike - was very serious, and most of the fans were apparently music theory students who just stood there with open mouths, drooling but not smiling. The next time I saw the boys was the Awake tour, where Derek was tucked away in the corner of the stage, playing music that he hadn't written. Then came the big change when they did the European shows in early 97. People started smiling and laughing, both on the stage and in front of it. And now the current tour - Derek dressed up like a 70s dog's dinner, over-the-top stage accessories (lava lamps, TVs, shaggy carpets), and suddenly lots of fun for everybody, drum stick juggling, instruments are exchanged, Nicky Lemons is born and dies, great cover songs AND some of the best Dream Theatre performances ever. Anybody else think like this?
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: Fu Manchu - The Action Is Go
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 03:41:01 -0500 From: Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <ytsekirby@geocities.com> To: We have assumed control <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Home sweet home! Message-ID: <35692E9D.57DD@geocities.com>
Hey, all! Just wanted you guys to know that Ken and I made it back home to Houston safe and sound after tonight's (last night's?) San Antonio show. In a word: unbelievable! I'm way too tired and a little too emotional to give too many details right now, but I'll post a full setlist and tell you guys about what the guys did and how I got recognized in a HUGE crowd by MP! More after I get about 12 hours of much-needed rest. :) -- Nicole Stachowicz McWatters : Kirby on irc.dreamt.org Technical Writer and Dream Theater Nut! ytsekirby@geocities.com -- http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 12:00:14 +0100 From: NGA <nga@software-ag.de> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Floater... Message-ID: <01BD87D4.ADFDCD70@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
sorry about posting twice in one day, but I just heard of an album that I think I should know more about. The band in question is Floater and the album is called 'Angels In The Flesh And Devils In The Bone'. It is described as "if Pink Floyd crashed headlong into Tool, it would sound a lot like this", which sounds weird enough for me to want to check it out. Any information from anybody, especially from Oregon jammers (where Floater seem to come from). All information gratefully received.
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: Beaver - The Difference Engine
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 12:56:50 +0200 From: Peter <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ozric Tenticles Message-ID: <35694E72.A3234932@speed.eik.bme.hu>
> >Someone on the list mentioned Ozric Tenticles playing in SF. Does anyone > >know if they are on tour right now? > > ]From what I know they do not have any date on their webpage right now. I > found out about he SF show from the local newspaper. Please keep your eye > open or contact the possible venue in your area to see if they can get > Ozric to play there. It might not be a big venue though.
They will play on this Sunday (31st of May) 100 kms from here, in Austria. So they're in Europe now. I hope it will be a great show.
Cheers, Peter
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 07:06:49 -0400 From: Haje Jan Kamps <hajejan@mail.geocities.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3926 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980525070639.007f2c40@mail.geocities.com>
Andy mentioned:
>]From a unix based system how do you get on irc? And is irc accessible >from the web?
Find out if you have BitchX or Ircii installed (Preferrably BitchX) If not, do a websearch for BitchX and go ahead and install it. Because I haven't had access to my unix accout for a while, ergo haven't used or installed any new BX versions, I can't tell you where to find it.
IMHO, BX is the best IRC client out there (yea.. better then mIrc, Ircle and Pirch)
Haje +---------------------+ | Haje Jan Kamps | +-------------------+---------------------+ | http://home.sol.no/~lrovers/haje/ | +-----------------------------------------+ | Adesso che ho perso la vista, | | ci vedo meglio e di piu | +-----------------------------------------+ | Careful what you wish | | you may regret it | | Careful what you wish | | You just might get it | | -metallica : King Nothing | +-----------------------------------------+
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 04:23:22 PDT From: "Jani Liimatainen" <sirjani@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: About Vai and Vanden Plas Message-ID: <19980525112322.12364.qmail@hotmail.com>
Joe Wrote:
>1. With all the Steve Vai talk on the 'jam lately, it's about time I >pick up something by him. What's a good CD to start off with? >note-- >I did see Vai live in '96 with the G3 tour..... he was good, but I >wasn't familiar at all with his music.
Get "Passion and Warfare",it's THE Steve Vai album.I think he really hasn't made another album as good as that.The latest,"Fire Garden", is also great,but doesn't quite match up with "Passion and Warfare". If youd like to hear "the next DT singer",then you should get "Sex and Religion",altough I think this is the worst album Vai has made:) 3. I've been inspired :-) by LaBrie's Vanden Plas shirt (he's wearing it in the Motown show pics I had developed today) to check them out. Could someone tell me what they're like, and which CD to start with?
Well,I think I read somewhere that altough they've been around for quite a long time,they've only made two albums so far.I haven't heard their first one,but I bought "The God Thing" about month ago. It's pretty good,but I don't like their singer that much.He's not bad, he just has a weird voice.Can't really describe it.They have nice songs,most of them,after all.They're not as technical as DT,but not sloppy either.I don't know why,but they do bore me a bit...On a scale of 4-10,I'd give it 8...
I haven't heard QR,so I won't say anything about them.I've been thinking of getting Operation:Mindcrime.Is it any good? Timo Tolkki from Stratovarius listed O:M in his top ten albums in a Finnish music magazine,so I guess it is...Comments?
~Jani~
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 07:28:25 EDT From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3926 Message-ID: <7a5688ed.356955da@aol.com>
<< what songs should DT play while they're opening for ELP and Deep Purple? >>
This can be a very interesting thread. Well right away I can't imagine DT NOT playing - Voices, Lines in the Sand, and Metropolis. To me each of those songs represents the BEST of each of the respective albums. They all have the necessary highs and lows.
Songs to avoid - TAMP, HY, TSM - if you are gonna play a ballad - play Another Day or Space Dye Vest (but I doubt SDV is a reality)
okay here it goes start off with the intro to Mirror actually go up to the verse and the double time part after the verse repeat the verse again (cuz I love the drums on the second verse) and then at the end of the second verse Take the Time that should account for about 15 minutes (I ain't gonna time it)
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Date: 25 May 1998 08:42:28 GMT -0300 From: Bandit@siscor.bibnal.edu.ar To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: James LaBrie Message-ID: <199805251144.EAA17006@odin.ax.com>
Hi YtseJammers
It's for me new, that stuff about firing LaBrie, and in my opinion I'm still furious because Kevin Moore was quiting a few years ago.
And about the singers, I don't know what they're looking for, because they've fired Dominici who was singing right, only because he was old?
Bye!
PD: Please forgive my english
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 10:58:54 EDT From: Max Arbot <MaxArbot@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Please send YTSEJAM digest 3924 Message-ID: <9ec75381.35698731@aol.com>
Hey, I missed #3924 and I really wanted to read it. Could someone please send it to me? MaxArbot@aol.com Thanks.
[eriC] <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/MaxArbot/index.html">THE DREAM THEATER http://members.aol.com/MaxArbot/index.html>
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 11:21:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: setlist as openers Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980525110039.53600A-100000@archa13.cc.uga.edu>
On Mon, 25 May 1998 Paul Cashman wrote: > > -- They'll be opening before an audience that will likely be older > and a bit less "metal" than us freeks at a regular headlining show. > This is a pretty tough call: DP rocks pretty hard, but ELP are > generally a lot softer. It'll be a mixed bag, but I'd be more > inclined toward softer songs, with a few well-spaced wake-up calls. > :) (But see below regarding heckling.....)
Funny that you started this thread since I was planning on starting it myself :) Hmmm......well, I don't think that they should necessarily concentrate on more softer songs because of that audience. Now we're all hoping DT gains many new fans from this tour, but I for one think any converted DT fans should become DT fans due to their being exposed to an honest, well-rounded cross-section of DT's music. I don't think they should "over-promote" the softer songs, just like I don't think they should play nothing but heavy songs or nothing but proggy songs. Mix it all up, keep it somewhat even. "This is what Dream Theater entails, take it or leave it." Agreed about PMU. Burning My Soul should be in there too, as well as Hollow Years. *At least* one prog-fest song, whether it be Lines in the Sand or something older. Perfect Strangers by Nightmare Cinema? :) I don't know, maybe I'll sit down and come up with my "perfect setlist" so to speak, if I have time. I just think it would be quite low-class of DT to try to "sell" themselves to another audience by underplaying *any* aspect of their music. Keep it honest; if they want to like DT, they can like DT for what DT really is, like all of us do. Heck, I really think they should just play ACOS and Metropolis 2; there's your freakin' hour. :)
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 12:19:25 -0400 From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com> To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DP/ELP Setlist Message-ID: <CB366B2843EBD111AA9600104B6A9EF0018B4D@wak-mail2.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
OK, nice thread to start. Here's my offering with a blow-by-blow explanation on why they were selected.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Medley (Met, LtL, ACOS). I remember my first DT show when they started with Metropolis. Simply fucking amazing. Really grabbed me by the bajnoobies. Since this will probably be the first go-around for many in the audience, why not ?? And, since the middle of Metropolis may not go over well with some, why not do the medley that they have been doing this tour ?? I know, I *hate* medleys (sorry MP), but WTF ?? Great opener that ends with a climax.
Puppies/TtT/Freebird. Someone said that "They'll be opening before an audience that will likely be older and a bit less "metal" than us freaks at a regular headlining show." I dont agree. Your elders can rock your cradle !! Crank it up with Puppies, play TtT and end with an excerpt of a song that many in "that generation" can identify with. Will help the audience connect with the band.
Lines in the Sand. Why ?? Because it would change moods a bit (at least at the beginning). And, it's arguably the best song that they have ever written.
Surrounded. I dont really know why, but I think that it would fit. A little more mainstream than the other songs.
Peruvian Skies. Another new song with multiple moods. And it segues well into PMU.
Pull Me Under. They're (hehehehe) signature song. And despite the fact that they have to play it at every show that they will ever play, I still dont mind hearing it. I just hope that James doesn't continue to let the audience sing the chorus. It may not work in this setting.
SUMMARY. About 60 minutes, give or take. Elements that will allow a relatively new audience to connect with the band. I know. Basically blowing off WDADU and Awake completely but in 60 minutes you have to cut corners.
The big question that I have is that since they are scarce on time, what will become of the traditional beginning of Rooster/Clockworks ?? I bet that it *has* to go. It just wont be the same.
Later, Mark Metzger mmetzger@comversens.com
PS - Smart money says that they wont cover Perfect Strangers ..... ;)
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 13:03:39 -0400 From: "Kurt Kober" <phobos@net-lynx.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?re:_New_topic:=A0_setlist_as_openers?= Message-ID: <01bd87ff$102c7080$dcf689ce@phobos.net-lynx.com>
> "Surrounded"? Schweeeet, but there are those quieter parts that would > just beg some idiot drunk to start yelling at Our Guys.
I don’t know…DT shouldn’t be tailoring their set list to rowdy drunks. I think anything DT plays would be rather well received. The sheer musicianship is gonna blow people away, especially if they can keep up the standards of this tour. I haven’t read a single post in recent weeks where someone said this wasn’t the best DT has ever sounded.
Hell, we’re talking about ELP fans here. It’s not like DT is opening for Blind Melon.
One side note about heckling…the only DT opening act I ever saw that didn’t deserve a little heckling was Echolyn. Even if you didn’t like the music, at least it had a distinctive style and was SOLID. Big Wreck was the absolute worst opener I ever saw. The only thing that made it bearable to me was the guy in the corner screaming, “YOU SUCK!”
I'd think an ELP fan would be happy to see an opening act like Dream Theater, a relatively young band that still cares about making great music and not just coppin’ a ‘tude.
So what do I think they'll play? Lines in the Sand seems like an obvious choice, for one. And JP HAS to play Flight of the Bumblebee at every concert he ever does for the rest of his life and beyond--because if I never see that again, I'll be devastated.
My two cents this has been. KK
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