YTSEJAM Digest 3929
Today's Topics:
1) Vai, Ryche cd's and Devin Townsend
by EVO V <EVOV@aol.com>
2) Re: DP/ELP Setlist
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
3) steve vai question and where's richard warren?
by Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
4) re: setlists / NC
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
5) New Dt singer and stuff...
by "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
6) Re: This thread SUCKS!
by "Jeff Hochberg" <jeffhochberg@hotmail.com>
7) grrrr
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
8) Re: Derek = fun?
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@umdnj.edu>
9) Re: Fates Video, DT Set List on DP Tour
by MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com>
10) Spelling stuph, Nightmare Cinema
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
11) Selling out?
by Bunny1682 <Bunny1682@aol.com>
12) Temporarily....
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
13) Re: Selling out?
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
14) new CRIMSON GLORY Kicks Ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by "ELV" <cyclone@securenet.net>
15) What to play
by WhoFooldU <WhoFooldU@aol.com>
16) Fwd: Live Bonus Tracks
by DR1029 <DR1029@aol.com>
17) Waldrock festival
by Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu>
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 16:34:12 EDT
From: EVO V <EVOV@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Vai, Ryche cd's and Devin Townsend
Message-ID: <432311a.3569d5c5@aol.com>
Everytime someone asks what Vai cd to buy, I make a list, every one of his
cd's has been different from the other, here we go....
Flexable-(If you can find it), is VERY Zappa-esque, pretty werid, not really
something you'd want to get if you want some really great guitar stuff, its
more zany and insane.
Passion And Warfare-Some say its his best ever and no guitar album will ever
be able to top it. Its simply amazing. I've never heard such great guitar
sounds in my life. Its fairly shred happy, some songs comical. Overall its an
extremely hard cd to play straight through with your guitar and get every riff
down the right way. Its very layered, very deep, there's a lot going on. All
instrumental, with some blurbs.
Sex And Relgion-Some say its the worst he's ever recorded. Mainly because of
Devin Townsend's vocals, it was placing highly talented musicians in a group
and making them sound mediocre. Great guitar lines, worth buying just for the
last song, "Rescue Me Or Bury Me".
Alien Love Secrets-My personal favorite. Only 7 songs, but each one is simply
amazing. No overdubs except one song, "Kill The Guy With The Ball", which he
doubled the rythm guitar and that was it. This cd mixes the craziness of
Flexable, dramatacies of Passion and Warfare, and the beautiful guitar work of
Sex and Relgion and P&W mixed together.
Fire Garden-In a word-Amazing. Steve steps up as lead vocalist for all the
vocal songs, ( 6 vocal songs, 7 including "When I was A Little Boy" hehe). 18
songs, very melody orientated. This is more down to earth, easy to swallow
typa record.
There it is for Vai cd's. For Ryche cd's, I think Operation:Mindcrime is
fairly progressive sounding. The vocals are amazing, as always with Geoff.
Ok, Devin Townsend, man, am I long winded or something? I cant shut
up today. Devin is an outstanding vocalist, though some may disagree. He more
of screems to hit those high notes, and it takes a while to get used to. It
can be annoying and just plain noisy, but its good for what he does. I dont
think he'd sound too good in DT unless they were playing stuff that was
constantly based aruond "Burning My Soul" all the time.
It'd be different. Ok, my fingers are tired, time to play
some more guitar. See ya
Andy D
The Next Steve Vai
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 16:46:45 -0400
From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DP/ELP Setlist
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980525164645.007a7570@pop3.afn.org>
>never seem to notice. They will, though at a concert when they want to see
>Brand X band come out, though.
Brand X isn't playing with DT, are they? Now that would be a concert to die for.
"It's going to be either me or everyone else I kill,
so pray for my quick suicide." - afn39111@afn.org
This is who I am. -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 17:27:43 EDT
From: Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: steve vai question and where's richard warren?
Message-ID: <bd620e81.3569e250@aol.com>
2 questions here:
1) anyone know where i can find the steve vai 10 hour workout? it was
published in one of the guitar magazines back in 1990, and i'm hoping that
someone might still have them or know someone who might have them up on a
webpage or something. ANY help would be appreciated.
2) richard warren, are you still out there? i've been looking for you, and
know not where you are. if you get this (or if you're not him, but know where
to find him), please email me.
wild koba
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david y. kobayashi
new york law school
thrak75@aol.com
"i'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints." -on the wall at
tripwire's
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 18:13:05 -0400
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: setlists / NC
Message-ID: <3569ECF1.FBEEBA3D@ici.net>
> Wise money says they'll come out and do a huge dual band cover of Perfect
> Strangers with Deep Purple. I dunno.
I'm kind of hoping this happens too. I always think it shows a nice
"mutual respect" thing when things like this happen. The ultimate would
be to have like a Prog G3 thing happening where ALL the members of ALL
the bands come out to play a couple cover tunes at the end. :)
> My idea would be to have them just be themselves. There's no reason for
> lie to these guys and trick them into buying albums by playing the most
> mainstream stuff, because most of DT's stuff isn't mainstream.
That's why I say, put a few long songs in the set. They're not exactly
opening up for a mainstream act, now are they? It's not like DP fans
haven't heard a few long songs in their day(s). :) I think DT is a goo
opening act for DP, so there's no reason for them to have to be
something they're not. Play the prog - I bet they don't scare anyone
away.
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> Then they announced that that was the FINAL PERFORMACE of Nightmare
> Cinema ever! That's it! No more! Of course, they left the possiblity
> open that they might have a reunion "in a couple of years."
Grrr......UNFAIR!!!! I never go to see it. :)
Oh well...
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 16:44:43 PDT From: "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New Dt singer and stuff... Message-ID: <19980525234443.27198.qmail@hotmail.com>
There are plenty of substitute singers that people have come up with; but I gotta say, the more singers i see posted, the more I pray for James not to live the band. Example: >PS: Sammy Hagar would probably take the job:-)
Jeez, thats scary!!!
Ernesto The Next ...(whoever is good at any instrument)
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 17:08:26 PDT From: "Jeff Hochberg" <jeffhochberg@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: This thread SUCKS! Message-ID: <19980526000826.1487.qmail@hotmail.com>
Yep, this thread is getting a more than a little old...
> Nobody's able to replace James - ever!
That statement pretty much wraps it up. The only way I could picture DT without James would be without a vocalist, period. If not James then all-instrumental.
Lying bleeding in the dark,
Jeff
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 20:17:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: grrrr Message-ID: <13674.2494.479827.96092@wicked.stigmata.org>
KorgX3 writes:
> well start a discussion on who's gonna replace Skadz as > Ytse-Moderator.
I vote for Damon. It would drive him totally insane to have to hear his text to speech translator read him back 5 billion bounce messages :)
This starts a discussion and EVERYONE gets unsubbed.
Your loving and caring moderator, Skadz
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 20:41:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@umdnj.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Derek = fun? Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980525203943.21028A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Mon, 25 May 1998, NGA wrote:
> > Hi all > > sounds like the concerts in the States are going really well and are also > a lot of fun for both the band and the fans. Could it be that this increased > 'fun factor' is due to Derek now being a fully integrated and accepted member > of the band? The first time I saw the band (on the Images And Words tour),
I agree totally. Derek definitely has had an impact on their stage presence and overall relaxed, fun attitude on tour.
You have to add the fact that the band has been together for long time now (save Derek), and it's just a matter of tour experience, etc. as well.
-Al
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 20:45:08 EDT From: MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Fates Video, DT Set List on DP Tour Message-ID: <2092f30f.356a1096@aol.com>
Hi Jammerz -
Rocky wrote: > what FW video? it is professionally done? can i buy it somewhere?
I don't know if anyone responded to this yet, but yes, it is a professionally recorded video of an entire performance of "A Pleasant Shade Of Gray" along with some conceptual stuff. It was released by Metal Blade, and it's excellent! I had a hard time finding it, but it IS out there. Keep an eye out - it rules! I hope this helps.
Now then... thank god that the New Singer thread has slowed. That was annoying as shit. Anyway, I think this new thread is a great one, so here goes:
I agree that TTT should NOT be included due to the "audience participation singing the chorus" reason someone gave before. As much as I think it would be great to play it with the Freebird ending to give the fans something to remember and relate to, I don't know if James has EVER sang the chorus live. (Has it happened and I just don't know about it?) It would be a difficult chorus to hit night in and night out, I think. As far as the vibe of what to play, I think that the band may want to shy away from the "ballad" type stuff, with the exception of maybe TSM electric. Deep Purple (from what I've heard) is primarily into groove-based songs, and ELP (from what I've heard) is into the proggy stuff. DT may want to stick to those styles to cater to the other bands' fans.
Anyway, this is what I've come up with so far for a set list: ACOS 1 & 2 JLMB Peruvian Skies LITS PMU Metropolis LTL ACOS 7
I know it's not perfect because I've ignored Awake entirely. I think Lie would fit nicely, but at what expense? I also like BMS and maybe HK before LITS. Damn, there just isn't enough time! :-)
But, I think that my set list combines the groove "ballz and chunk" tunes with the proggy ones pretty well. Keep the suggestions coming, this is cool!
- Matt T.
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 20:49:43 -0400 From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Spelling stuph, Nightmare Cinema Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980525204943.006929f8@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
[eriC] remarked: >Secondly, I totally and whole-heartedly agree with our fellow Ytsejammer, Neil >Gallop (nga@software-ag.de), however, he has sinned in the eyes of DT >followers. Neil, ask John Petrucci how DT is spelled, and he'll tell you that >it is NOT Dream Theatre...it's Dream TheatER...
You must not have been around very long. Neil Gallop is a longtime member of the list and he knows what the fuck he's talking about. The misspelling was probably for one of these reasons:
1) it was intentional to see how many people he could get a rise out of 2) it was accidental because he hasn't had enough sleep 3) he was being a weird Brit again
'Fess up, Neil. Which one? :)
Nicole then graced us with a kickass review of a DT show which, unfortunately, included the following: >Then they announced that that was the FINAL PERFORMACE of Nightmare >Cinema ever! That's it! No more! Of course, they left the possiblity >open that they might have a reunion "in a couple of years."
*uncontrollable swearing* Matt S., thanks even more for that tape I just borrowed from you; now at least I have Nightmare Cinema in _some_ format.
*more swearing*
Ta, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired, gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals Currently playing: Joe Satriani -- "Crystal Planet"
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:59:42 EDT From: Bunny1682 <Bunny1682@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Selling out? Message-ID: <87229f7a.356a220f@aol.com>
Hi everyone, I'm one of them new Falling Into Infinity fans who totally, completely fell in love with DT without listening to any of their other albums. I signed onto this mailing list a couple weeks ago, and at that time, everyone was talking about DT selling out. Well, today, I went out and got Images and Words......and what the hell? I'm sorry to say this to all the long-time DT fans, but I personally think that DT is better now than they were back in '92. All that moaning about DT selling out is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, unless "selling out" actually means growing as musicians. I'm not saying that I didn't like I&M; but the fact is, they're jamming a lot harder now. Sorry if this subject's a bit out-dated. Oh well.
Jenny
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:53:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Temporarily.... Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980525214722.26094A-100000@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
Just wanted to say thanks to all the Texas jammers who Alan and i met at the Carvan of Dreams show in FW...especially to Chad Allen Klunck and Nicole/Kirby for being very helpful and all that stuff..... We loved the show....and we hate pigeons....Alan hates pigeons really.....well, i m going to unsub for like 1 month till i get my damn computer back....see ya later guys!
Mauricio
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:52:17 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Selling out? Message-ID: <01bd8859$acf13e00$240d84d0@korgx3>
>I'm one of them new Falling Into Infinity fans who totally, completely fell in >love with DT without listening to any of their other albums <snipped> >about DT selling out. Well, today, I went out and got Images and >Words......and what the hell? I'm sorry to say this to all the long-time DT <snipped>
BAHAHAHAHAH!!!! I don't think any of us anticipated this! This is cool though. I'm glad to see DT is reaching out to a broader fanbase and now we can have the Rush style debates as to what is better, Pre Moving Pictures or Signals and beyond, only with DT!
Welcome to the list, keep all feet in fingers in the cart all all tiems, please don't stand up, and if you catch on fire, please hug the person sitting next to you. --KorgX3
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 00:05:43 -0400 From: "ELV" <cyclone@securenet.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: new CRIMSON GLORY Kicks Ass!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <001301bd885b$8fab4690$694fcdcd@elvnt>
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Go here and download the new Crimson Glory demo:
http://www.prtc.net/~midnight/real.htm
The song is called "There Is No God". The new vocalist is just as good as Midnight! Be ready to be blown away, once more. It sounds alot like Transcendence/CG self titled. Your wishes came true, Crimson Glory is back!
Elv
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 00:06:30 EDT From: WhoFooldU <WhoFooldU@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: What to play Message-ID: <892e293d.356a3fc7@aol.com>
here another one for the what DT should play for thier opening slot on the DP/ELP tour.
Lits YNM LSoaD TTT BMS HY PMU
It clocks right around 56 minutes or so. Enough for a great one hour introduction into DT. I'd hate to have to see OFB play for only 45 minutes.
My 2 pennies.
Glenn
p.s. Any jammers in the DC/Springfield going to the Union show at Jaxx on June 6??
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 00:08:43 EDT From: DR1029 <DR1029@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fwd: Live Bonus Tracks Message-ID: <6d022770.356a404d@aol.com>
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]From: DR1029 <DR1029@aol.com> Return-path: <DR1029@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Live Bonus Tracks Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 19:57:28 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
Hello,
I am not yet a member of the ytsejam but I was told that would can get some pretty good trades here. So I thought I would give it a try....I was wondering if anyone has all of the live bonus tracks that are played prior to the shows on the current tour?? I think they include, Speak To Me, Raise the Knife, Where are you Now, Cover My Eyes, etc. Please email me in private and let me know....I can either trade, pay cash, or some other form of trading....thank you.
Big D
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 00:09:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Waldrock festival Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.980526000703.21673A-100000@river.it.gvsu.edu>
I just saw the lineup for the Waldrock festival on UACM, and as a US resident, it's a good bet that I won't be there, but I saw that DT is headlining over Marilyn Manson. How fucking cool is that? Never in America though.
-C#
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