YTSEJAM Digest 3942
Today's Topics:
1) Voices a great song?
by ujonegr@psf220.lexis-nexis.com (Greg Jones)
2) Mellotron
by Nick Storr <nick_storr@mail.onaustralia.com.au>
3) mellotron again
by Nick Storr <nick_storr@mail.onaustralia.com.au>
4) MSG 's set list, Paris, 26/05/98
by "Volodya" <provibe@club-internet.fr>
5) Thanks
by Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
6) Missing 'jams !?!? / A kick to the head (Portnoy style): BMS, JLMB, NM
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
7) Subscribing (NDTC)
by Josh.Brand@stpaul.com
8) Re: ELP/DP
by "Chris Willenbrock (Volt Computer)" <a-cwill@microsoft.com>
9) setlists for the upcoming tour
by Alex Fraser <afraser@carleton.edu>
10) Re: LTE online chat kicked ass!!!
by Scott Andrews <sha3u@unix.mail.virginia.edu>
11) Re: ELP/DP
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
12) Re: ELP/DP
by KEZCOM@aol.com
13) a faqing quote
by Devs0432@aol.com
14) Re: setlists for the upcoming tour
by Theiban@aol.com
15) MTV Overthrow
by yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net>
16) Re: ELP/DP
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
17) Re: some thoughts of the audience makeup at the dt/elp/dp shows
by jOHN jENS <jjens@darkhorse.triad.net>
18) A Clockwork Orange
by belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
19) Dream Theater in Gothenburg in June??????
by "Silent Woman" <silent_woman@hotmail.com>
20) LTE AOL chat!
by Echomanyyz@aol.com
21) mod chips?
by Alejandro <seedrop@usa.net>
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 07:01:08 -0400
From: ujonegr@psf220.lexis-nexis.com (Greg Jones)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Voices a great song?
Message-ID: <199805291101.HAA10667@psf220.pclprod.meaddata.com>
I can't believe how many of you guys love "Voices".
I read where one of you said that this was DT's most virtuostic (is that
a word?) song?
I couldn't disagree more. Voices has one guitar solo. Beyond that
where's the virtuosity. It has time changes but all DT's songs have
that. My favorite DT songs are ACOS, TTT, Metropolis and Erotomania.
I think that these songs have the most virtuostic playing of DT. And
ACOS and TTT, in addition, have very catchy melodies and hooks required
for a great song.
Just my $.02.
Also, if Mike is reading, I was wondering why, when I saw DT live,
doesn't the Band have cd's and more band paraphanalia for sale? I only
saw a few T-shirts. In addition, I suggest that the sales desk offer LTE
for sale. Also James mention the LTE album on stage. You'd be surprised
at how many DT fans don't know about this album. I didn't know about it
until I did some internet surfing of DT sites. A lot of DT fans don't
belong to this list and don't surf the internet.......
Greg
"Greg's Music Theory Page"
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palladium/6197
On Thu, 28 May 1998, Brian Matthew Hailey wrote:
>
> does anyone know who does the "you know that reality is immaterial... this is not
> reality" vocals on 'voices' (aka: the best dt (if not just the best) song ever
> written)? it doesn't really sound anything like KJL.
>
>
Check the liner notes for Awake - I forget the dude's name that
does it, but it's some rapper or something, or at least that
what his name sounds like.........
-Al
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 22:06:31 +1000
From: Nick Storr <nick_storr@mail.onaustralia.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mellotron
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980529220629.007b9830@mail.onaustralia.com.au>
This is probably out of date by now, so I apologise in advance!
One other mellotron user you MAY have heard of were the Beatles. :)
The intro to Strawberry fields is a cool example. To me, this has always
been the "mellotron sound", despite the fact that it was only one of many
sounds the instrument could be set up to play...
Nick
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 22:12:29 +1000
From: Nick Storr <nick_storr@mail.onaustralia.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: mellotron again
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980529221149.007b7100@mail.onaustralia.com.au>
Oops.
Sorry, the Beatles already got mentioned. That'll teach me to refer to
three day old digests without reading the following ones!
Oh well. I can't have too much sympathy for anyone who doesn't live in
Australia, the land of no Dream Theater concerts....
Nick
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:09:11 +0200
From: "Volodya" <provibe@club-internet.fr>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: MSG 's set list, Paris, 26/05/98
Message-ID: <000201bd8afa$96d8f560$a46d9ec2@default>
Hi there,
Here's the MSG's set list as part of G3 show, Le Zenith, Paris, 26/05/98:
1.In search of peace of mind
2.Assault Attack
3.Another peace of meat
4.Let it roll
5.Captain Nemo
6.Written in the sand
7.Essence
8.Lost Horizons (WITH GARY BARDEN ON VOCALS !!!!!)
9.Attack of the mad Axeman (WITH GARY BARDEN)
10.Bijou Pleasurette
11.Positive Forward
12.Armed & Ready (WITH GARY BARDEN)
I don't know if they played with Gary Barden in other cities; if someone
knows please let me know.
Best Regards,
Volodya of OPEN ALL NIGHT RECORDS.
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:27:20 -0500
From: Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
To: Ytsejam Digest <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Thanks
Message-ID: <356EC5C7.171DE84B@ix.netcom.com>
Thanks to everybody that helped me out with King Crimson. I ended
up getting In the Court of the Crimson King and Thrakattack. In the
Court is awesome, and I think Thrakattack is ok, but it'll need to grow
on me. The only thing I don't like about In the Court is the last 9
minutes of Moonchild, the first 3 minutes are cool, but that last 9 is
pointless, at least imo. The song In the Court is just simply awesome.
Lord Mutilo
jsj@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:54:58 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Missing 'jams !?!? / A kick to the head (Portnoy style): BMS, JLMB, NM
Message-ID: <356ECC42.4094494D@home.com>
I just got Ytsejam 3941 today....... the last one I got before that was
3937 on Wednesday night!
Could somebody PLEEEEASE send me 3938, 3939, and 3940?
It would be greatly appreciated!
On another note, the other week I was listening to FII and all of a
sudden Burning My Soul kicked me square in the head. I mean, I've
always thought the song was "good but not great" but then all of a
sudden on one particular listen it just hits me how much this song kicks
ass. It has a pretty awesome mix of heaviness and great keys. Plus the
voice-box is pretty cool. Oh, and the beginning rules too.
The same thing happened to me with JLMB, except that I really didn't
like this song much at all before. One day I just started appreciating
it. Also New Millenium is another tune that I like MUCH MORE now than
originally.
Maybe it has something to do with Mike P.'s more straightforward lyrical
style? You don't see it coming then ................ WHAM!
Thanks,
- Joe DeAngelo
taking some Advil
(thanks alot Mike) ;-D
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:55:03 -0500
From: Josh.Brand@stpaul.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Subscribing (NDTC)
Message-ID: <86256613.005187F8.00@astplh99.stpaul.com>
Anybody out there in ack mode who gets this right away, could you
please mail me and tell me how to subscribe? I want to get the 'jam at
work, but I can't get on the 'net from here to go to the site, and it's
been so long since I joined that I forgot how. Thanks and sorry about the
waste of bandwidth...
Odelay,
Josh
-- In the discman: A Change of Seasons --
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:34:07 -0700
From: "Chris Willenbrock (Volt Computer)" <a-cwill@microsoft.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: ELP/DP
Message-ID: <12DC14B0590AD111AF9300805F68891701C1C65A@lch-02-msg.dns.microsoft.com>
> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:08:04 -0400
> From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: Re: ELP/DP
> Personally, I think a well-placed cover might rule here. I'm thinking
> "21st Century Schizoid Man," with Greggy Lake doing a bit of guest
> vocal action.
Quick question...
I heard another band (Forbidden) do a cover of this song and I never knew
who the original songwriters were. Which band originally did "21st Century
Schizoid Man"?
As far as them covering the tune...I'm having a hard time seeing that. I
can't picture them doing well with this tune. But hey, anything's possible
with DT, I guess.
Chris
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:41:31 +0000
From: Alex Fraser <afraser@carleton.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: setlists for the upcoming tour
Message-ID: <01IXLPNW1EJC8ZDVRW@carleton.edu>
Ok, since MP posted on this I've been thinking...
How about having the fans write the setlists for this tour? I mean
heck, if Portnoy can't please everyone why not let Joe Schmoe Average
Fan take the blame? We could have the fans in the area of each show
collaborate and come up with a list of songs they'd like to hear...
I mean heck, I've written the setlist for a band I'm not in before.
It's not so hard. :)
What do you think, sirs?
Tongue firmly in cheek,
id
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:58:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scott Andrews <sha3u@unix.mail.virginia.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: LTE online chat kicked ass!!!
Message-ID: <199805291558.LAA68740@node2.unix.Virginia.EDU>
According to JKorby1973@aol.com:
>
>
> Very cool time chattin with the LTE guys. Mike and John answered a few of
> my questions. One of which was that I asked John what DiMarzios he uses in his
> 7-strings.....HE DIDN'T KNOW!!! Probably stock Universe pickups. Mike also
there are 3 possibilities - the stock Universe pickups are
DiMarzio Blaze IIs, like the green Vai pickups in the black
Universe in the Lie video. the new RG 7 strings have a
different pickup, not a Blaze II [even though the Ibanez web
site and other sites mistakenly say it is the Blaze II], a tech
at DiMarzio told me it's wound a little hotter, and i've read
that it may be based on the Breed (?) pickups that are a new
Vai design. the third possibility is that DiMarzio made a
custom 7 version of whatever john uses in the JPM - Air Norton?
- and Ibanez stuck it in his custom 7's
-- scott andrews biophysics research sha3u@virginia.edu chemistry department ****************************************************************** --- http://www.people.virginia.edu/~sha3u --- info & CD reviews | Ibanez | soundclips of of major & underground | 7 string | my prog-thrash progressive/thrash metal | guitar info | metal band ATAXIA ****************************************************************** "metal isn't dead, it just smells funny." -Zappa paraphrase------------------------------
Date: Fri, 29 May 98 09:17:23 -0700 From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: ELP/DP Message-ID: <199805291618.JAA10123@network-services.uoregon.edu>
>I heard another band (Forbidden) do a cover of this song and I never knew >who the original songwriters were. Which band originally did "21st Century >Schizoid Man"?
It was originally done by King Crimson. As far as not seeing them doing it...Greg Lake was the original vocalist for KC when they first did that song. I think it would be great :) though his voice has changed a tad over the years.
Andrew
+-------------------------------------------------------+ |Andrew Embler : .<>. aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu .<>.| |W e b s i t e : http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~aembler/ | +-------------------------------------------------------+ Well, you know people, I'd rather have my own game show than enough votes to become president. -FZ
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:31:51 EDT From: KEZCOM@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: ELP/DP Message-ID: <999b3d60.356ee2f9@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-29 11:53:40 EDT, you write:
<< > Personally, I think a well-placed cover might rule here. I'm thinking > "21st Century Schizoid Man," with Greggy Lake doing a bit of guest > vocal action. Quick question... I heard another band (Forbidden) do a cover of this song and I never knew who the original songwriters were. Which band originally did "21st Century Schizoid Man"? >>
April Wine also covered this song. Not a bad job, either, IMHO.
Kez
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:10:04 EDT From: Devs0432@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: a faqing quote Message-ID: <e3a636a.356eebed@aol.com>
<< words, which I THINK go like this..."oh that this too, too so that flesh will melt." I was in a hurry to get back to the chat, so I closed the IM screen before I could write down the words exactly. If I'm wrong, let me know. >>
Um, #1) Faq!!
and #2) "Oh that this too too solid flesh would melt."
But it's all good.
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:08:02 EDT From: Theiban@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: setlists for the upcoming tour Message-ID: <cc9b78e7.356edd63@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-29 12:04:22 EDT, you write:
<< How about having the fans write the setlists for this tour? I mean heck, if Portnoy can't please everyone why not let Joe Schmoe Average Fan take the blame? We could have the fans in the area of each show collaborate and come up with a list of songs they'd like to hear... I mean heck, I've written the setlist for a band I'm not in before. It's not so hard. :) >>
haha good one. i think that would result in many riots. you would get all the I&W prog heads fighting with the Awake moshers (uhoh used the M word), fighting with the ACoS 2 hour song lovers, fighting with the FII mainstream- wanna-hear-ers (is that a word?). but yea i agree with you, hell if the band can't please the fans, what the hell are the fans fans for? are they fans of themselves? or fans of the band?
Rocky dream theater fan
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:36:11 -0500 From: yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MTV Overthrow Message-ID: <199805291836.LAA05849@denmark.it.earthlink.net>
just get me the email addrs and the selection to request. i'll just send `em a bunch of emails everyday until someone posts that they've aired DT. if there's a specific time of day, or, day of the week that this needs to be done, please let us know.
izzzzz
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:06:07 -0800 From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: ELP/DP Message-ID: <v01540b05b194c4b29af7@[205.134.227.133]>
"earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org> wrote:
>Isn't that all ELP is? Keith Emerson is all about overplaying.
Yup, he really IS. He even laid down on the stang and put the hammon organ on top of his chest and played it backward. It's very a powerful thing to do for over 50 years old musician.
>Personally, I think a well-placed cover might rule here. I'm thinking >"21st Century Schizoid Man," with Greggy Lake doing a bit of guest >vocal action.
Greg Lake always do the "21st Century Schizoid Man" at the ELP show. Last ELP show I saw, Lake did this song during the encore. I hope he won't leave the band again.
Regards, AE
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:29:44 -0500 (CDT) From: jOHN jENS <jjens@darkhorse.triad.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: some thoughts of the audience makeup at the dt/elp/dp shows Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980529141709.11587B-100000@darkhorse.triad.net>
On Wed, 27 May 1998, Damon Fibraio wrote:
| Let's think of this. Examine the fans of deep purple and elp. Both bands | are late 60s/early 70s fare. ELP is heavily progressive. DP really | isn't. Either way, your audience is going to consist largely of people | in their 30s and 40s, with some 20s mixed in such as us ytsejammers. The | elp factin is going to love the prog stuff. The DP faction is going to | love the harder stuff. This is the perfect venue for DT to play in. The | proggy stuff will hit the elp fans while the sheer power of dt will hit | the dp fans. If done right, we can win a lot fo fans over. Let's see. --
taking this into account, i think that the females in the audience can be broken down into 2 groups: the first will wear heavy makeup, a la "groupies" and 80's glam (massive amounts of shadow and liner, caked on bases, rouge that is incredibly bright, et cetera). the second group will sport the more "down-to-earth" look, with natural colours and much, much lighter application (various shades from browns to blacks), some so light that one cannot tell if they are wearing any at all.
as for the males -- save the handful of oddballs who'll have painted nails, or lipstick, maybe some eyeliner -- most will be makeup-free (unless they've recently kissed their gf/wife/SO and haven't wiped off the residuum).
learn to swim...
-- jOHN jENS + jjens@shell.webzone.net + www2.webzone.net/~jjens
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:59:40 -0500 (EST) From: belhai <belhai@drew.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: A Clockwork Orange Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980529165831.543188098B-100000@drew.edu>
Do any of you guys know who composed the theme to the song that DT used as the opener on the FII tour? This song is just too cool.
Thanks, Brandon
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:26:00 PDT From: "Silent Woman" <silent_woman@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dream Theater in Gothenburg in June?????? Message-ID: <19980529222600.29379.qmail@hotmail.com>
Somone on Blind Guardian mailinglist told me that there was a rumor that Dream Theater were coming to Gothenburg to do a gig late June.....
If someone knows if this is true please notify me. It would mean so much to me....please please please !!
Sara Jansson metal_sorceress@hotmail.com
IMPORTANT !!
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:28:27 EDT From: Echomanyyz@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: LTE AOL chat! Message-ID: <4361ca87.356f449c@aol.com>
The chat was very cool.
All the guys from LTE were there. It was supposed to be about LTE, but it seemed to be more about Dream Theater. There were about 40 people in the chatroom. The hosts eventually turned "chat protocol" off so everyone could ask questions/comments at will. DT is going to record a couple shows in Europe for a live album. They are still trying get their record company into letting them make a video (maybe we should start a petition..hehe). They seemed to be avoiding the numerous questions about Metropolis part 2. All MP said was M2 is definately crazy. Derek eventually decided to join chat. He is very funny. Derek brought up the idea of a LTE/Platapus tour in October. Everyone thought is was a really good idea. Derek said that if he and Jordan Rudess were to do a keyboard competition, Jordan should be penalized by 3 fingers (I would have to agree. Rudess is a maniac). They were discussing which band (Platapus or LTE) would open and which would be the headliner. Derek said Platapus should open so he could meet girls afterwards. This tour was just an idea so it probably won't actually happen. Charlie Dominici even joined the chat for awhile. JP's favorite song to play live is Metropolis. MP's favorite song to play live is his drum solo. MP is really into Radiohead, and he likes the Chroma Key album a lot. That's all I can think of right now. The chat will be available for download soon at the Nightclub.
-Ian
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:00:28 -0500 From: Alejandro <seedrop@usa.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: mod chips? Message-ID: <356F4C1C.3EF9@usa.net>
Jim wrote: > I remember a while back people were posting about > Sony playstations and someone had mentioned Mod > chips. A guy I work with burns Mod chips for > playstations and does instillations and all that happy > stuff. I had him install one in my playstation and I've > never had a problem.
for those of you with playstations and CD-R's, GET MOD CHIPS! THEY WORK! sincerely... Alejandro 'seedrop' Paredes Monterrey, NL. México ICQ# 4187487
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