YTSEJAM Digest 4376
Today's Topics:
1) United we stand...again
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
2) Re: Phish
by schnapster@juno.com (Dale R Newberry)
3) DMB/Shadow Gallery/NDTC
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
4) Open reply to Manuel
by "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
5) Demo mp3
by Sbu <sbu@mailbox.ro>
6) OIALT
by "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
7) Topic links
by "Einar B. Gilberg" <einarg@colargol.idb.hist.no>
8) Re: Open reply to Manuel
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
9) Check out Gamma Ray & Angra LIVE soundfiles in MP3 format
by "Volodya" <oanrec@club-internet.fr>
10) Re: Mike Mangini, EVENT news
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
11) Re: college towns....
by "Josh Walkowicz" <jpwalkowicz@freh-03.freh.purdue.edu>
12) Drum clinic Denver 11/21
by "Patrick Sebel" <patrick@aowserver.phys.tue.nl>
13) 5YiaL in the UK
by "Mousie Mouse" <mousiem@hotmail.com>
14) King's X & GC in Phoenix tonight
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
15) Angra rip-off?
by "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com>
16) hi
by "Jerry" <jerry@mail.icongrp.com>
17) DMB, Greg Howard, and the Stick
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
18) Re: Topic links and other things
by jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net>
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 02:47:20 -0500
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: United we stand...again
Message-ID: <3636CC08.AF2A56D2@wezl.org>
I was checkin' out Creed's webpage a while ago, and stumbled upon a link
to Rolling Stone magazines poll for best band and stuff like that...once
again, it's a fill-in the blank type of poll, and kinda like the "Hank
the angry, drunken dwarf" thing, the more people put the same thing, the
more likely that group/person/whatever will win. You get the idea! Check
out the link below, and cast your vote, I'm sure there's enough
dedicated fans here to open someone's eyes at Rolling Stone.
http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/magazine/text/rspoll9.html?afl=rsn
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 01:35:45 -0600
From: schnapster@juno.com (Dale R Newberry)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Phish
Message-ID: <19981028.015523.3302.0.schnapster@juno.com>
>whoa! somebody has issues. i must say that it sucks that your stores
>don't have the video; however, this particular dream-theater-loving
hippie
>who thinks phish are a pretty damn good prog band (now THERE'S a
statement
>that will get some flames thrown! :) might suggest that you take your
>disappointment out on someone else; i mean, i'd be pretty psyched to
>live in a town of 30,000 hippies over say 30,000 fans of rap or country.
but
>hey, whatever makes you feel better, that's what's important. oh, and
>congratulations on your perfect mastery of the use of the word 'fuck'.
> a great achievement. :)
I mgiht get a few falmes myself, but I want to second that a little bit.
One of my roomamtes and I went to a Phish listening party earlier
tonight. While one of the songs (don't know off hand which one since I
don't have the new album yet) was playing, he made a copmment to me that
it sounded like they (the drummer ion particular) must have been
listening to some Rush lately. It sounded quite a bit more aggressive
(the drumming) than normal. And yes, I dig Phish (and many other "jam
bands") quite a little bit.
However, I also currently live in a college town with 30,000
(exaggeration, of course :) hippies, and I found two copies of the video
at one of the local (i.e. smaller) stores just down the road (the guy at
the store also asked me if I had the CD yet). Needless to say, I picked
one up (the store is Now Hear This in Columbia, MO if anyone's curious).
I also did just get confirmation that my OIAL order has been shipped, so
it should arrive in a few days. A little later than I had hoped, but I
think I can deal with it :).
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:23:21 -0800
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: DMB/Shadow Gallery/NDTC
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981028002321.008987a0@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
>It wasn't Tim Reynolds by any chance, was it? This guy plays some of the
>guitars on Dave's albums and also does tours with just him and Dave playing
>acoustic. He's an incredible guitarist who's playing is completely
>undefinable, genre-wise. But if its not Tim, I'm out of guesses. What songs
>did he play Stick on? Curious Me.
Yeah, that sounds right. I really wasnt paying attention, but he played a
bitching solo right before charging into...arg, its so hard to try to
remember with SG - Tyranny blasting in the background...Lemme turn it down :)
Now that I think about it, he pretty much played the CS throughout the
show. So that would mean all the standards like Too Much, Ants Marching,
So Much To Say (the previous three, if you were wondering, completely stole
the show), and others off the new album like Dont Drink The Water and Stay.
I heard a rumor that Dave Matthews was a major heroin addict...Is there any
truth to this?
Oh, and for DTC, Im waiting (not so) patiently for my OiaLT.
And the beginning of track 3 of SG - Tyranny sounds just like Cliffhanger
from their CiS album. Great stuff though.
Cheers.
Jon
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:55:41 +0100
From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Open reply to Manuel
Message-ID: <01be0250$bd6318a0$2fa1bd9d@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
in digest #4371 somebody called Manuel (over)reacted to my
"confession" that I had decided to buy the new My Dying Bride album
rather than Dream Theater's new live offering. This apparently
saddened him - why? I am not obliged to buy everything that the band
and their record label put out (this applies to all bands, of course, and
not just to Dream Theater). Perhaps it's because I'm older (40), but I
just can't relate to this "we've got to support the band" attitude. If I
like
it, I'll buy it, otherwise the album stays in the shop. Am I a fan, Manuel
asks? Yes, I would consider myself a fan - I immensly enjoy the albeit
rare occasions on which a Dream Theater CD makes it into my
stereo, and Dream Theater is without doubt one of the best live
acts I've seen in 27 years of concert-going. Meeting the guys and
having a few beers with them has added to my enjoyment of their
live performances. Fan enough for you, Manuel? Or do you want me
to buy the forthcoming 78 minute CD of Mike Portnoy farting 12th
notes on the shitter after having eaten a Bombay Vindaloo? To sum up, the
band will get my support if I like what they are doing, but I don't
owe them a living. Dream Theater won't last for ever - who will you
support then?
Are Enchant really the opener for Spock's Beard? Bad news - I guess
I'll just have to go to the show on Sunday late.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Anathema - Alternative 4
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:28:13 +0200
From: Sbu <sbu@mailbox.ro>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Demo mp3
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981028112813.0079ca70@box.mailbox.ro>
Hi.
Did anyone know an Internet address where I can find "TAMP Demo", "John
Petrucci-Purple Rain" or "DT with Steve Howe" in mp3 format ?
Can anyone record this tracks or other bootlegs on a tape and send it to me
?
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 02:17:23 PST
From: "Max Verran" <maxverran@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net, NIXB4@aol.com
Subject: OIALT
Message-ID: <19981028101724.2956.qmail@hotmail.com>
WOO-HOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MULTI-FRIGGING-PASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DREAM THEATER RULES!
I didn't know anyone didn't like Darek's playing!
He's the MAN!
And I don't hear a SINGLE note from James that doesn't sound good. So
what's the problem with him? So they're not all the SAME notes. Hello!
They change things around a bit. It sounds GREAT!
John's solo just goes on and on! Fastest guitar on Earth!
And MIKE... KICK AFRICAN ASS! You sound better here then on LTE!
Mike Portnoy is the God of Drums!
Well, New Millennium isn't on it and almost nothing from WDADU (which I
like more than IAW and Awake, and I'm constantly surprised at how
underrated it is), but what would they remove? Well, maybe Caught in a
Web... and there's no Majesty symbol on the front.
I actually like the outline font on UACM better, guys. But most of you
don't seem to agree...
Oh well, big deal. Fact is this is the best music in the world.
I know already that this is my favorite album - EVER!
DT OiaLT is the new Champion!
And they got all the power and stuff from the albums!
LATM doesn't quite have the full, thick Metropolis sound. Still rules,
but THIS ONE DOES!
And whatever that is at the end of TTT, it rules too.
..and what's that stuff at the VERY end?
Getting the video very soon...
DREAM FUCKING THEATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I pledge allegiance to the band
Of DREAM FUCKING THEATER!
...
PEACE!!!
-maX
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:13:13 +0100
From: "Einar B. Gilberg" <einarg@colargol.idb.hist.no>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Topic links
Message-ID: <36370A59.ACB70D08@colargol.idb.hist.no>
I have an idea for improving (?) the ytsejam mailing list, and possible
all mailing lists. I don't know whether all sees it as an improvement,
but it's worth a try to post this idea anyways. Wouldn't it be cool to
have hotlinks on the topics? This way we don't have to scroll pass the
stuff we don't want to read just to read one single topic. Just click on
the topic and we're forwarded to that topic. That shouldn't be too much
of a problem to incorporate in the mailingscript. One argument against
this proposal that I can think of would be that it would be a mess for
the browsers that don't have html-capabilities. But this could be solved
by having two versions of the list. One without html and one with..
Anyways.. as of now, there are plenty of links on the mailinglist.
Well.. just a suggestion. :)
Best regards,
Einar
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:33:27 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Open reply to Manuel Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9810280932200.1071-100000@jaca>
On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Neil Gallop wrote:
> Dream Theater won't last for ever - who will you support then?
Opeth, of course. :-)
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:41:14 +0100 From: "Volodya" <oanrec@club-internet.fr> To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Check out Gamma Ray & Angra LIVE soundfiles in MP3 format Message-ID: <000801be0267$ddec71e0$0d6c9ec2@default>
Hello everyone,
We have updated our page [link is below] and you're welcome to check out three new releases: Gamma Ray / Iron Savior "Hansen out in France", Carolina IV "Baptism of Fire" and Virgin Steele "Thy Majesty of Steele". There, a part from scanned images and track-listings, you will find the following soundfiles in MP3 format:
Gamma Ray : "Beyond the Black Hole" and "Future World" (excerpts) Iron Savior : "Watcher in the Sky" [excerpt] Angra : "Flight of Icarus" (Iron Maiden), "Manowar" (Manowar) and "Speedy" (pre-Fireworks version with slightly different lyrics) [excerpts]
Virgin Steele soundfile will be added soon.
I hope you enjoy our new material and I count on hearing from you soon.
Best regards, Volodya.
........................................................................... ................ OPEN ALL NIGHT [ OAN ] RECORDS Check out some Dream Theater live samples in MP3 Format: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/9326/oan.htm e-mail: oanrec@club-internet.fr ICQ number: 19517742 ........................................................................... .................
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:47:09 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: yts <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Mike Mangini, EVENT news Message-ID: <3637124D.1D70@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Matt wrote:
> Mangini played on an Annihilator album, not sure of the title (Waking up the > World or some shit, I forget, and last I talked to Mike (He was at a show to > see my Drum teacher Dave Dicenso) He is all set to do Steve Vai's next album, > I believe he did some stuff with Mike Keneally, but I cant say if it is on a > record or not.
> Mike is the most INSANE drummer ever known to man...If you havent seen him > live or in clinic, holy shit, the man rocks...
Just curious, Matt, if you had a chance to talk Mike about his opinion of Dave's drumming. Dave impresses me everytime I see him with Finn, and he just re-arranged my jaw when he played live alongside Morse/Larue with basically no rehearsal (except the soundcheck, I guess :)
> BTW, My name is Matt, I'm a drummer from Boston, in a band called EVENT, check > us out at www.mysticfishook.com
Do what he says......NOW!!!! ;)
I recommend their disc. Plenty of shred, plenty of prog, hopefully enough variety to satisfy even the finnickiest of jammers, plenty of that ever-illusive Berklee guarantee, plenty of emotion, plenty of skanky swing ho beeeyotches hanging outside the gigs :) I have the older disc (when they were called Mystic Fishook) and the production was quite good, especially considering they did it themselves with homebrew equipment!
Regards, Jon
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:57:49 EST From: "Josh Walkowicz" <jpwalkowicz@freh-03.freh.purdue.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: college towns.... Message-ID: <15B3AC654F9@freh-03.freh.purdue.edu>
> this fucking blows....I live in a town where there are 30,000 college > students and there are 2 or 3 record stores within miles of here and > none of them have videos...and I just called one of them and I asked if > they have the new Dream Theater video and their response was, "We don't > have it, cuz who would want to buy that???" WELL FUCK YOU! Excuse me > for not running to all the stores today for the new Phish CD like every > other fucking hippie in this town.
Amazing isn't it? I had to go to three cd stores before I found it, and only one guy in the first two had even heard of dream theater. And I live in a college town also....maybe that is the problem.
Josh jpwalkowicz@physfac.purdue.edu
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:02:48 MET-2DST From: "Patrick Sebel" <patrick@aowserver.phys.tue.nl> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Drum clinic Denver 11/21 Message-ID: <46B59783913@aowserver.phys.tue.nl>
Hello everybody,
I am from the Netherlands and I will be in Boulder, Co for 2 weeks in november and I read that there is a Drum clinic of Mike Portnoy in Denver that week (saterday 21), so I'm very interested in going there. Can anybody give me some information on it (do I need to buy tickets, what time does it start, end).
Is may be someone from Boulder going there who can give me a ride ? This would be appreciated very much.
Please e-mail me privatly, as I might miss the message in the ytsejam.
Thanx, Patrick Sebel
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 05:36:29 PST From: "Mousie Mouse" <mousiem@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: 5YiaL in the UK Message-ID: <19981028133629.1735.qmail@hotmail.com>
Two things:
1) I hate all of you who live in DT friendly countries and have therefore been able to get your 5YiaL vids already - unlike moi!
And 2) Does anybody know where to hold of the aforementioned video on this small Isle of ours?
PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mousie ;)
PS: I agree with MP, Dickmunch is a top word and should be used more frequently in everyday conversation.
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:38:02 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: King's X & GC in Phoenix tonight Message-ID: <36372C4A.EF4F4ECE@goodnet.com>
Hey, see all you YtseCats at the show... well, maybe not <21 crowd since the Mason Pit requires all underagers to remain in a cage on the side of the stage (that really bites)...
-- ~Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> <ICQ # 2070538> "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<<
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:08:51 -0500 From: "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com> To: "The Jam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Angra rip-off? Message-ID: <000901be028d$41069fb0$905d64c7@jbirzer_dev.idshq.com>
>3) Jeremy's choice 2 and 3 don't match Kevin's choice 2 and 3. "Holy Live" >is not the same as "Holy Land", and "Freedom Call" is not the same as "Live >Acoustic at FNAC". Plus, the double-CD version of "Holy Land" has the bonus >track "Queen of the Night" (one of the best on the disc IMHO), which has >not been released on any other CD to the best of my knowledge.
First, he's comparing Holy Live to Holy Live. Read it again. "Freedom Call" has both "Queen of the Night" and the Acoustic tracks, along with their cover of "Painkiller" from the Priest tribute album. It is a good deal. Just trying to clarify.
No one has mentioned this on here, but CD-Now is offering 30% off imports. Getting my copy of "Fireworks" from them.....
Jason Birzer The Longshot
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:59:30 -0600 From: "Jerry" <jerry@mail.icongrp.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: hi Message-ID: <000501be028b$f5c09020$02b596ce@jupiter>
just coming aboard. i look forward to this list. jerry
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:40:14 -0500 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: DMB, Greg Howard, and the Stick Message-ID: <4.1.19981028113157.00a2a590@po7.mit.edu>
The guy's name is Greg Howard, and he plays Stick on The Dreaming Tree on DMB's latest album, Before These Crowded Streets.
Occasionally, he has made guest appearances at a few DMB shows and played Stick for them.
If you want a URL to his site, here it is: (I got this from www.dmband.com - i'm not sure if it works) http://webhitstats.rlc.net/ss?click&dmband&35814dbb
-bogie
>Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:44:24 -0500 >From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net> >To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> >Subject: DMB and the Stick >Message-ID: <19981028044705.CSWO1127@239157822worldnet.att.net>
>Hello, >>I went to the Dave Matthews Band concert tonight, and >>apparently they have hired a guy to play Chapman Stick. Either that or >>they just brought him in for the concert, but the guy can play. I didn't >>catch his name, >It wasn't Tim Reynolds by any chance, was it? This guy plays some of the >guitars on Dave's albums and also does tours with just him and Dave playing >acoustic. He's an incredible guitarist who's playing is completely >undefinable, genre-wise. But if its not Tim, I'm out of guesses. What songs >did he play Stick on? Curious Me.
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:19:44 -0600 (CST) From: jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Topic links and other things Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.981028111326.20896A-100000@darkhorse.triad.net>
On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Einar B. Gilberg wrote: | |I have an idea for improving (?) the ytsejam mailing list, and possible |all mailing lists. I don't know whether all sees it as an improvement, |but it's worth a try to post this idea anyways. Wouldn't it be cool to |have hotlinks on the topics? This way we don't have to scroll pass the
i just talked to Skadz and he said he'd get right on it, including a version that works w/ text mailers :) he's da man.
other things: i'm waiting for my copy of OIAL to appear. any minute now. yeah, right.
i did receive the new Bass Player dec issue with what has to be *the* shortest column i've ever seen. i know JM is the silent man IRL, but on paper too? oh well, he still rox.
-- john jens + jjens@webzone.net + http://www2.webzone.net/~jjens
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