YTSEJAM Digest 4302
Today's Topics:
1) Apocalyptica
by "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
2) Re: Fear Factory
by CODY ALLSUP <yoder@home.com>
3) CDEUROPE lists 1986 majesty demo as official DT CD...
by "komoolli@trade.hamkk.fi" <op777@surffi.net>
4) JS vs. Crystal Planet/LiT/FII keys
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
5) RE: First X Band
by Rhys.Jenkins@isma.co.uk
6) In Defense of Crystal Planet - NDTC
by "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net>
7) In Defense Of, Part II...
by Harmon Caldwell <prorangr@arches.uga.edu>
8) Steve Vai
by Rhys.Jenkins@isma.co.uk
9) RE: YTSEJAM digest 4300
by Rhys.Jenkins@isma.co.uk
10) Re: In defense of "Crystal Planet" and "Tyranny"
by Rhys.Jenkins@isma.co.uk
11) Re: Apocalyptica
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
12) Re: LTE2
by Cassiano Pereira Barbosa <cassi.b@uol.com.br>
13) FM radio rules! Seriously!
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
14) Re: Apocalyptica
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
15) Re: recording for posterity
by "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
16) Re: Satriani (self-titled)
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
17) Re: "Stained Glass" - new DT boot of Rotterdam fanclub gig!!
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
18) DT Brazilian MOR concert review
by "Cassiano P. Barbosa" <cassi.b@uol.com.br>
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:20:44 PDT
From: "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Apocalyptica
Message-ID: <19980928072044.3182.qmail@hotmail.com>
Yo! What's the name of the new one? When will it be released?
I agree the first one is a nice novelty to have, but it would be great
to hear these guys do some different stuff!
- Dr. Teeth
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:27:58 -0700
From: CODY ALLSUP <yoder@home.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Fear Factory
Message-ID: <360F3A7E.15C0D365@home.com>
Hey there....
I just wanted to put in a good word for Fear Factory.. I first
noticed this band at Ozzfest, not that they played.. but their video was
played on the big screen in between sets. They sounded mean.. and I
liked that. Anyways, I got the album and it kicks ass! Very heavy,
it grooves and their is some mellow stuff towards the end of the
album. Very good stuff. Pick it up!
later, J
I can only agree here. If ya'll are into some fast ass double kick
drumming get this band. At times it almost sounds inhuman, buts its a
guy doin it. So yeah. Very heavy band, awesome speed and then of
course, the mellow stuff at the end is really cool. What I like is the
heavy guitars with melodic vocals. The singer is much stronger as a
throat damaging "growl" singer, but he pulls off some really rad
sounding vocals. Make sure you get DEmanufacture and not REmanufacture,
cuz REmanufacture is a techno/industrial whatever remix of it all. Its
cool too but if you want the band then its DEmanufacture. Or their new
one came out not to long ago as well which is also awesome. I forget
the name though. But yeah.
Yoder
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:42:37 +0200
From: "komoolli@trade.hamkk.fi" <op777@surffi.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CDEUROPE lists 1986 majesty demo as official DT CD...
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980928134237.00930de0@mail.surffi.net>
yup, went to www.cdeurope.com and did a search of dream theater, first item
listed was 1986 majesty demo OFFICIAL...
so is this really an official CD release ?
op777
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:38:51 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: JS vs. Crystal Planet/LiT/FII keys
Message-ID: <360F754B.3F093D89@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 00:02:45 -0400
> From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
> Subject: In defense of "Crystal Planet"
>
> Two of the best new releases of the year are being slammed. I must speak up.
>
> CyberDuke remarked:
> >Crystal
> >Planet? IMHO, this is far, far worst Satriani albunm. And I really love
> >Satriani and have albums albums! When I first heard the title (Crystal
> >Planet) I thougth "Woow, what can this be, sounds so science-fiction!" I
> >really expected some mind-blowing new sound from Satch. And then ... :(
> >I found NONE stuff in this album that can make me become really into the
> >music. Like a cliche album done according some written Satch
> >compositionary rules. It IS Satch sound but a lousy one.
>
> It is Satch's *trademark* sound, that tone and style that is uniquely his.
> And it's this trademark tone which sounds so muffled and washed out on "Joe
> Satriani". That's why I like "JS" less, and why I love "Crystal Planet" so
> much; every note of every song just screams out that it's Satriani playing
> from the get-go.
Yeah, might be true, but I just think that we shouldn't spit on JS just
because it's a little different than his usual style. That would be
quite narrow-minded (NO, I don't call anybody narrow-minded, don't get
upset :)
> >While Joe Satriani album [SNIP]
> >sound SO joyful, isn't it? There's some happy mood floating
> >all aorund this album! :) Definitely an album with which you can tap,
> >sing, snap fingers, shout, jump ... :) It's just ... moody!
>
> I find this interesting, since most of the people I've played the disc for
> say (and I agree) that it's much cooler in tone than most of Joe's work,
> with less instrumental fire and more smooth mellow groove. Less upbeat.
Depends from which side you see it. If someone expects fireworks in the
manner of Malmsteen, Friedman or Vai in his craziest moments - no way
he's gonna like it!
But isn't it wrong to expect from Satch and any other guitarist to SHRED
LIKE HELL on every second of his stuff? JS album emphasize much more on
the melody and mood itself. But also he shreds on many of the songs.
But don't look for "Surfing with the Alien part II" songs here!
> Nothing wrong with that, o'course; it's just different and definitely not
> Joe's "normal" approach to a song.
OK, but we agree that by itself it's not wrong, right? :)
> Opinions differ, of course. Your mileage may vary.
Yeah, I think this is the main reason! :) As Joe DeAngelo said, if you
like blues and has that kind of background - this is PERFECT album!
Maybe tougher for only loud guitars fans.
Conclusion: We just CAN'T expect everybody to like and listen the same
music we do! :)
Differences makes the world interesting.
> From: Steven Zebrowski <szebro1@ds1.GL.UMBC.EDU>
>
> >Not because Derek isn't as good as
> >Kevin (hit me in the face...), but because the songs don't call for
> >it. The solo in Burning my Soul is good, but it's the only one on
> >the CD. There's no Metropolis, no UAGM, no songs that call for
> >keyboard liquidation.
>
> What constitutes a song that calls for keyboards or "keyboard liquidation?"
> (What is keyboard liquidation anyway?) I'm sure that a song like New
> Millenium would sound a lot more different without keys than UaGM or
> Metropolis would. Those songs could survive without the keyboards. New
> Millenium couldn't.
Agreed! Some songs on FII can't be imagined without keys. Actually
keyboards are making the whole mood on the album. Even someone might say
(not me) that FII has too much keys effects 'n sounds.
But I wouldn't go that far to say that UAGM and Metropolis would sound
same without keys! No WAY! ;)
> From: NikBrooks@aol.com
> Subject: DT Live in Tokyo
>
> Cyberduke said:
> > What do ya mean "Mike made a good job"? What's concretely his
> > share in it?
>
> I believe the silly bits in between, like Abbey Road for example.
Yep, that "Abbey Road" things was COOL! :)
I also wish to do the same one day and take picture of me doing it! :)
> From: NikBrooks@aol.com
> Subject: LTE2
>
> I believe Mark bredius said that LTE2 will have the same line-up as LTE1:
>
> Tony Levin
> John Petrucci
> Mike Portnoy
> Jordan Rudess
Yep, it's true! He posted about another project including Portnoy.
Later,
CyberDuke
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:05:41 +0100
From: Rhys.Jenkins@isma.co.uk
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: First X Band
Message-ID: <411074BB57ECD0119E090060974B1F843831A5@email-server.isma.co.uk>
Hiya,
Interesting discussion about groups using X in their names. I'm sure
that Madam(me ?) X preceded all of the aforementioned groups. They
probably aren't wothy of discussion or inclusion though because they
were crap.
Trivia huh ;-)
Cheers,
Rhys
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:21:50 -0500
From: "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: In Defense of Crystal Planet - NDTC
Message-ID: <01bdeada$9199fc80$d6dc1a93@cmustard.swt.edu>
Ahoy,
I don't post that often, and I usually let threads go their way, but I
wanted to put in my vote for Joe Satriani's 'Crystal Planet'. There's some different
stuff on here like Ceremony and Psycho Monkey, but I liked both after listening to
them a few times. As far as my favorites, there's Up In the Sky (which Satch opened
with here in Houston... a good choice for an opener) which just kicks you in the ass,
House Full of Bullets, a great heavy blues track with some great licks, and plenty of
others that would take too much time to mention here. Besides, the song Time is
completely bad ass... jazzy in parts, heavy in parts, with a dash of Flying In a Blue
Dream at the end. I love this disc, just like I love the self-title. If you don't
already have it and are wondering whether or not to get it with all of the opinions
floating around (mine included now), just go ahead and grab it. I think it absolutely
kicks ass and really shows Joe doing some different sounds with the same great
songwriting and soloing talent that you know him by.
- Capt. Wolfric Tugmutton / Mark tugmutton@toast.net
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:41:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Harmon Caldwell <prorangr@arches.uga.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: In Defense Of, Part II...
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980928082436.15836B-100000@archa14.cc.uga.edu>
Upon reading recent comments on Angra's Fireworks and the latest from
Shadow Gallery- Tyranny I found myself wondering. Although I don't know
yet if Fireworks will stand the test of time, upon my first month of
listenings and on my intial listen I find it to be, by far, my favorite.
I realize this is my opinion and others don't have the same one, but the
reasons I've read for not liking it aren't that it's not a solid disc. The
reasons seem to be: it doesn't sound like Holy Land and that they've
changed their sound. Well if they put out another album which sounds like
HL then it would have been bashed for sounding the same. It looks like a
Catch 22 situation to me. It seems we're all so quick to find the flaws
in the albums, that we don't enjoy what's there...maybe we're all just
spoiled.
In regards to Tyranny, I'll admit this album did take a couple of listens
to fully get into, but to say and sterotype this entire album as "cheesy"
is simply ludicrous. Maybe I'm just way off base, but I don't find Shadow
Gallery cheesy at all, especially after I had to endure DT's "Take Away my
Pain" off Falling Into Infinity. Sure, Shadow Gallery is not for
everybody, but like Phil said, just because it doesn't do anything for you
doesn't mean it should be completely dismissed as garbage.
So far, these two albums (and the new Helloween) are my favorites of the
year and I highly recommend all of them to anybody. Sorry if I went on
too long, but I just wanted to get that off my chest. Sometimes I wonder
why we say we like this music when the latest releases are bashed for
sounding a little different. Of course, if they were the same, people
would complain too. go figure....
-Harmon
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:55:56 +0100
From: Rhys.Jenkins@isma.co.uk
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Steve Vai
Message-ID: <411074BB57ECD0119E090060974B1F843831B3@email-server.isma.co.uk>
Hiya,
all this rattling on about being complete wrt Steve's work, and you've
all missed out his brief excursion with P.I.L. (Public Image Limited -
the album that 'This Is Not A Love Song" came off). Sure, his
involovement wasn't absolute, but I believe he collaborated song writing
with Johnny Lydon and also played on a few tracks. Correct me if I'm
wrong.
Cheers,
Rhys
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:05:04 +0100
From: Rhys.Jenkins@isma.co.uk
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4300
Message-ID: <411074BB57ECD0119E090060974B1F843831B6@email-server.isma.co.uk>
Hiya,
cyberduke mentions adopting global standards for modern technologies. It
would be great for us consumers, but the comapnies involved won't have
anything to do with it. Take the case of DVD. Great new technology, but
to prevent people hunting around on the internet say to get the best buy
for a title, which may be cheaper in another country or continent, they
have added their zoning hardware which makes titles from different
geographical regions incompatible, thus making sure that a British
consumer must buy title X in Europe at the prices dictated by the local
cartels, ensuring their profit margins are maintained, when the price in
Asia or America for title X is 20% cheaper.
This currently happens with CDs except that the technology hasn't been
sabotaged yet. And some people like me have realised it's cheaper to
order from America (including p&p etc) than to buy in the UK.
Just a view on globalisation and market forces ;-)
Cheers,
Rhys
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:14:40 +0100
From: Rhys.Jenkins@isma.co.uk
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: In defense of "Crystal Planet" and "Tyranny"
Message-ID: <411074BB57ECD0119E090060974B1F843831BB@email-server.isma.co.uk>
Hiya,
just adding weight to the '"Crystal Planet" is Joe Satriani's worst
album for a long time' argument. I'm a big Satch fan and was extremely
disappointed with it. It seems monotonous in that there aren't as many
mood swings or tonal changes which were a trademark of earlier efforts.
Cheers,
Rhys
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:38:56 -0400
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Apocalyptica
Message-ID: <001a01bdeaed$b924fe40$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
>Yo! What's the name of the new one? When will it be released?
>I agree the first one is a nice novelty to have, but it would be great
>to hear these guys do some different stuff!
the new one is called "Inquisition Symphony" and i really dunno if it's out
or not, they just handed the CD to me at the radio station and said "review
this." :) check CDNow, they might have it. Moo.
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:49:40 -0300
From: Cassiano Pereira Barbosa <cassi.b@uol.com.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: LTE2
Message-ID: <360FA204.16C5043C@uol.com.br>
NikBrooks@aol.com wrote:
>
> I believe Mark bredius said that LTE2 will have the same line-up as LTE1:
>
> Tony Levin
> John Petrucci
> Mike Portnoy
> Jordan Rudess
Yes, it will. As Mike Portnoy said once, this line-up *is* the Liquid
Tension Experiment.
[]'s
Cassiano
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:09:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FM radio rules! Seriously!
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980928105651.52672E-100000@archa7.cc.uga.edu>
Supwitchall--
Man, I'm so happy about something that's going down here in Athens,
Georgia. The biggest rock radio station around--WPUP 103.7--is playing
some really good stuff. To make a long story short, they recently hired a
DJ named Kris Harris. He used to have a TV show here in town called "30
Minutes of Rock." It was a great show. That show got me into Fates
Warning, in fact (he played the Monument vid). Well, now that he's a DJ,
he's got his own weekly show also called "30 Minutes of Rock," which lasts
for three hours primetime Friday nights. In addition to a great weekly
Manditory Metallica segment and normal stuff like Megadeth and
Queensryche and such, he's recently played Labrynth, Hammerfall (Legacy
of Kings--awesome), Symphony X, and...drum roll...the entire "A Pleasant
Shade of Gray" by Fates Warning. It was bloody awesome. This is much
different than, for instance, the progmetal show a friend of mine headed
up on our campus radio station last year; this is THE rock station in our
area; a hugely popular mainstream rock station! A lot of people listen to
this mutha! And what's more, Mr. Harris has just been promoted to the
head music guy of the entire station. We're suddenly hearing a lot more
Megadeth, etc. during the day. That's just so cool to me. Maybe there is
hope after all!!!!!!!
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"Symphony X is the musical equivalent of the Hammer of God."
-Joe DeAngelo
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:31:12 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Apocalyptica
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980928133042.24697B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Dave Peterson wrote:
> Yo! What's the name of the new one? When will it be released?
> I agree the first one is a nice novelty to have, but it would be great
> to hear these guys do some different stuff!
It was already released some time ago. It's called "Inquisition
Symphony".
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:34:10 -0400 From: "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: recording for posterity Message-ID: <199809281627.MAA08999@bajor.ici.net>
> > But for the future humanity definitely must find a way to globalize > things, make them according one single standard. Otherwise we can't talk > about unification, right?
Unification is not going to happen, no matter how many starry-eyed fortune tellers predict it will. It goes against to much of human nature. Take us for example - what would the reaction of most people on this list be if someone predicted that all music fans would get together and Bush fans would happily listen to DT's music and vice versa. Hell, a lot of people on this list *don't* want DT to become successful because they like having them as "their little secret". I'm not saying that that mentality is necessarily bad, but it is a serious roadblock to unifying anything.
> Do you think that in year 2020 all homes will have music players on > which you can play your present (let's say) "Awake" CD??? The question > expands on all possible information storage devices/keepers: RealAudio, > WAVs, DOCs, HTMLs... you name it!
Well, can you still find a turntable or an 8-track player if you needed one? Thise are both technologies that were at a peak 20-30 years ago, and are almost obsolete now, but you can still find them. Hell, most (if not all) IBM PC's still have ISA slots in them, and they were in the first PC's in 1981. The technology may change over the years, but I think as long as there is an overlap between the old and the new (and a way to connect them together), you'll never have to worry about obsolete media.
__Pat Sullivan________________ Email: psull@just-like.nu WWW: http://www.just-like.nu ICQ: 2049374
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:14:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Satriani (self-titled) Message-ID: <199809281714.NAA25754@optical.mindstorm.com>
A thousand monkeys in Joe DeAngelo's basement typed:
> Okay...... so that's officially TWO of us who love it....... and 1398 > who hate it!? ;-)
Call it three. I love Satch's self-titled album. Maybe it's because I'm not a guitar player, but I don't enjoy Satch or Vai or Petrucci or Van Halen or any of the others for the noodly bits - I enjoy them because they all really know how to craft a song. And I gotta say that some of those songs on the Satch album really stick in your head. Cool #9, If, and You're My World come to mind immediately.
Everyone else should give this album another listen. There's some really good stuff on it. -d
P.S. Tyranny kicks a whole lot of ass, too. A more detailed review will follow if I ever get around to it.
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:19:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: "Stained Glass" - new DT boot of Rotterdam fanclub gig!! Message-ID: <199809281719.NAA25872@optical.mindstorm.com>
A thousand monkeys in Ryan Whitaker's basement typed:
> Scarred Records is proud to announce "Stained Glass". It has, in its > entirety, the Dutch "unplugged" fanclub gig that DT performed this past > June.
Remember when people who got their hands on this kind of thing used to start a tape tree? *sigh*
d-man still trades. http://www.dreamt.org/d-man/live-stuff.html
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:30:09 -0300 From: "Cassiano P. Barbosa" <cassi.b@uol.com.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT Brazilian MOR concert review Message-ID: <360FC7A1.621FE3E7@uol.com.br>
Hi there...
Well, as I was too tired to post a review of DT's Monsters of Rock concert yesterday, so I'm doing it (sort of :) now:
The concert was awesome, they probably chose their all-time heaviest set-list, with almost all the seven-string songs. Check-out the set-list:
ACOS I ACOS II Puppies On Acid Just Let Me Breathe Under A Glass Moon Peruvian Skies (w/ Have A Cigar e Enter Sandman in the middle) Pull Me Under Caught In A Web Lie Metropolis Part 1
Highlights of the evening: - People singing all the lyrics, parts and *trying* to sing the UAGM guitar solo... :) - A new shuffle part before the words "Beneath a summer sky..." in UAGM. I don't know if they were already doing this before, but I loved it. - Mike's mistake on UAGM. :)
Well, I think that's it. I was a little disappointed 'cause the set-list didn't contain anything too different from last year's concerts, but that's OK.
On other notes, I also had the pleasure to talk to Mr. Mike Portnoy on friday (I actually had a drink with him :) and he told me some cool stuff about his new material and their brazilian concert:
- They chose a heavier setlist to sort of match the other bands that were playing on that night, like Megadeth and Slayer.
- LTE 2 will be done in about 10 days (or else it would be a triple CD! :). They want to remain the same "fresh" and natural sound of the first record, and there may be another improvised jam in the vein of "Three Minute Warning" .
- His new, yet untitled project with members from Marill10n, Spock's Beard and Fates Warning will be more song oriented, with vocals, opposed to the more "shredding" (his words) concept of LTE.
[]'s Cassiano
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