YTSEJAM Digest 4301
Today's Topics:
1) Apocalyptica
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
2) DUNE-NDTC
by "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com>
3) Re: Apocalyptica
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
4) Shadow Gallery (cheese?)/ Tyranny mini-review / Dead Winter Dead
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
5) Guillermo de Jesús Beeton Galarza
by Juan Sainz <nauj3@yahoo.com>
6) Fear Factory.
by Inflammabl@aol.com
7) Tempest
by "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com>
8) Scarred
by "Christopher Lancaster" <cal@netease.net>
9) Re: Apocalyptica
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
10) Re: Fear Factory.
by James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com>
11) Royal Hunt's "Moving Target"
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
12) Satriani (self-titled)
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
13) Re: In defense of "Crystal Planet" and "Tyranny"
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
14) Ol' fogie with some questions...
by "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
15) "Stained Glass" - new DT boot of Rotterdam fanclub gig!!
by "Ryan Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:41:50 -0400
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Apocalyptica
Message-ID: <000301bdea78$c7a50de0$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
Hey, does everyone remember that Apocalyptica CD that was a bunch of
metallica songs arranged for 4 cellos? well apparently they have a new cd
out and i'm reviewing it for the radio station i work for and it rocks, i
must say. besides having more metallica songs (fade to black, one (!),
nothing else matters, for whom the bell tolls), it's got some sepultura
songs (chaos a.d. on cello! yess :), a faith no more song (from out of
nowhere), a songs by another band i don't recognize the names of the band
members of (i'm just going by the credits for each song - Domination by d.
abbott, v. abbott, p. anselmo, and r. brown?), and a few originals too. The
originals rock, these guys incorporate different time sigs and stuff and
it's pretty much prog metal on cello. anyways, i like this CD lots more than
the other one, which was a novelty but i wouldn't listen to over and over
again. this one acually sounds cool - their arrangements sound cooler imo,
they use a few effects, like distortion on a brief section of bell tolls,
etc. i'm gonna rip it all to mp3s so i can keep listening to it after i
return the cd :) so yeah. i reccommend you check it out even if you didn't
like the first one. moop!
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:41:57 -0500
From: "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DUNE-NDTC
Message-ID: <199809280055.RAA22987@odin.ax.com>
Last night on the Sci-Fi channel they played all 4 hours of the classic
Dune. Admittedly I haven't seen it in quite a while but I almost jumped
out of my seat when it appeared to me that Patric Stewart's character,
right before Paul's father makes a water pact with the Freeman, that he is
playing a Chapman Stick! Can any of you Dune-a-philes confirm this for me?
Sorry for the lack of DT related content.
Thorin
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:02:23 -0400
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Apocalyptica
Message-ID: <000f01bdea7b$a6e144e0$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
Oh yeah, i'm also reviewing a Savatage "Turns to me" radio single. This
radio station rocks :) the radio edit sorts sucks, tho, as they tend to do.
they cut out 2 minutes worth of cool stuff and turned it into a verse/chorus
kinda thing. so in my review i'm recommending the DJ play the longer version
if he's got the time. We can only hope. moo.
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:48:24 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Shadow Gallery (cheese?)/ Tyranny mini-review / Dead Winter Dead
Message-ID: <360EEAE8.9F51C393@home.com>
Adam Cook wrote:
> | overall atmosphere are totally engaging. The trick to listening to this
> | disc is to let yourself get captured by all those "cheesy" choruses and
> | rock opera lyrics. Suddenly all that cheese turns into beautiful music
> | if you listen to it with the right mindset. The instrumental sections
John Jens replied:
> cheese is cheese is cheese is still just cheese. i suppose listening w/ a
> cheesy mindset, one would expect the cheese and thus when the cheese happens
> it appears less cheesy.
I don't know. Personally I love SG, and think that the storyline of
Tyranny is pretty engaging. Now I just need to take a nice relaxed
listen while reading the lyrics.
I suppose this would be the time for a (very) brief review of Tyranny:
First of all I'd like to say that I haven't listened to it that much yet
(I've gotten alot of CD's recently, including "The Light" by Spock's
Beard, and have been addicted to that one).
First impression: Actually, at first I didn't think "Tyranny" was as
good as the really fantastic "Carved in Stone". Yes, it was heavier
(which is cool), but CiS has some really memorable vocal harmonies and
keyboard parts that really keep my attention!
Second impression: After 3 listens or so, I'm starting to get hooked on
the new disc. Now that I've heard it a bit, some of what was lacking in
the "memorable" department has now surfaced!
The guest bits:
First and foremost, LaBrie's guest spot on "Tyranny" is way too short,
but it is still one of the coolest parts on the CD. D.C. Cooper is (of
course) really fantastic (isn't he always?). Laura Jaeger (who is this
person?) is actually rather cool too.
Overall: Excellent progmetal disc with pretty heavy guitar, great keys,
a cool concept storyline, and some nice guest spots. Pick this one up!
> anyone wanna buy/trade my Savatage Dead Winter Dead?
Do you consider this one cheesy as well?
If so, *WOW* - because this is one of my all-time favorite CD's (top
ten), and I think the story is amazing. Also the emotion on this disc
is unbelievable. I damn near cry when I hear "This is the Time(1990)",
and "This Isn't What We Meant" (among others!) --------ZAK
RULES-------
BTW...... I'm not trying to be a dick. You're certainly entitled to
your opinion.
--- Joe D. jdeangelo@home.com Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723)
------------------------------------------------------------------------- Heaven must be more than this / When angels waken with a kiss Sacred hearts won't take the pain / But mine will never be the same He stands before the window / His shadow slowly fading from the wall And from an ivory tower hears her call / "Let the light surround you"
- Dream Theater, from "Surrounded" (lyrics by Kevin Moore) -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:48:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Juan Sainz <nauj3@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Guillermo de Jesús Beeton Galarza Message-ID: <19980928014849.25736.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com>
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:04:07 EDT From: Inflammabl@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fear Factory. Message-ID: <534447d9.360eee97@aol.com>
Hey there.... I just wanted to put in a good word for Fear Factory.. I first noticed this band at Ozzfest, not that they played.. but their video was played on the big screen in between sets. They sounded mean.. and I liked that. Anyways, I got the album and it kicks ass! Very heavy, it grooves and their is some mellow stuff towards the end of the album. Very good stuff. Pick it up! later, J
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:38:33 -0400 From: "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com> To: "The Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tempest Message-ID: <199809280244.TAA24021@odin.ax.com>
>On the other hand I have to recommend to everyone not to get Tempest's >"Turn of the Wheel." In the Magna Carta catalog they made it sound pretty >cool. "Celtic and Norwegian traditional music w/ progressive R&R. >Intensity is Tempest's trademark." Well folks that couldn't be further >from the truth. What it really sounds like is straight Celtic folk music >raped to the point that it sounds like modern commercial bullshit. As far >as the prog-rock thing goes, I found no evidence of it hear. Intensity?!?
>I have had more intensity taking a shit than this record claims to have >musically.
Man, why is it that anyone who mentions Tempest on here it is always that "they suck". I was lucky enough to pick up both of their CDs for $4 each at Powermad. I think both of these CDs are pretty cool. "raped to the point that it sounds like modern commercial bullshit"? I don't think so... Let me have a try at it.. Celtic music with modern influences... Call it Celtic rock. A little along the lines of Tull, but not really. Personally, I think that they are misplaced on Magna Carta, tho. This isn't for everyone. If you want a taste of them, get the Tull tribute, which the members are on.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Birzer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music "The Longshot" but glittering prizes and endless compromises ICQ#13068879 shatter the illusion of integrity." longshot@pressroom.com Rush - The Spirit Of Radio --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:59:49 -0700 From: "Christopher Lancaster" <cal@netease.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Scarred Message-ID: <001001bdea9c$d2bad7e0$385c18d0@oemcomputer>
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I am new to the jam and this might have been talked about a while ago so = forgive me if I am too late to the discussion. But when Awake was first = released a friend and I noticed that the gutiar on scarred at 5:30 on a = cd player sounds an awful lot like the theme music to the game show = Wheel of Fortune. Anyone else noticed this. -Chris
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:20:39 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Apocalyptica Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980928001926.21127A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, TheCowGod wrote:
> nowhere), a songs by another band i don't recognize the names of the band > members of (i'm just going by the credits for each song - Domination by d. > abbott, v. abbott, p. anselmo, and r. brown?), and a few originals too.
It's a Pantera song, from the album "Cowboys from Hell".
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:28:11 -0700 From: James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Fear Factory. Message-ID: <005901bdea90$070c9fe0$86a4d6d0@multimedia>
> They sounded mean.. and I liked that. Anyways, >I got the album and it kicks ass! Very heavy, it grooves and their is some >mellow stuff towards the end of the album. Very good stuff. Pick it up!
I agree. I'm surprised this Disc hasn't been mentioned on the Jam that much. The production is awesome. Best 'Thrash' CD of '98 Imo.
peace, --james-- www.jamesthorpe.com mail@jamesthorpe.com
"Hang on to the fever that burns inside of you. Don't look for lost treasure, won't find it here."
'This Time Around' --Dali's Dilemma-- Manifesto for Futurism
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:53:01 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Royal Hunt's "Moving Target" Message-ID: <360F081D.916C890E@home.com>
> All I can say is "WOW!" I just got Royal Hunt's Moving Target album. Damn > this is some of the best shit I have heard in quite a while. This is one > of the best neo-classical/prog-metal albums to come out in what seems like > forever.
Actually, although "Moving Target" has just been re-released here, it's not their latest CD. Their most recent release, "Paradox" is even better (believe it or not)!
--
- Joe D. jdeangelo@home.com Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723)
------------------------------------------------------------------------- Heaven must be more than this / When angels waken with a kiss Sacred hearts won't take the pain / But mine will never be the same He stands before the window / His shadow slowly fading from the wall And from an ivory tower hears her call / "Let the light surround you"
- Dream Theater, from "Surrounded" (lyrics by Kevin Moore) -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:01:11 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>, CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> Subject: Satriani (self-titled) Message-ID: <360F0A07.24796C4B@home.com>
I (while being kinda bummed 'cause of wimmin'-problems, and consequently listening to lots of blues) wrote:
> > I'm sitting here listening to Joe Satriani (s/t) for first time > > in quite a while. For God's sake, I had ONLY remembered hearing > > all the negative comments about this disc, and had completely > > forgotton what a phenomenal blues CD this is!
Cyberduke responded: > Wooohooo! Finally someone who defends this album! :) > I TOTALLY agree buddy! ;)
Okay...... so that's officially TWO of us who love it....... and 1398 who hate it!? ;-)
> I dig blues and I'm proud to say it. BLUES RULZ! :)
No doubt.
> And finally, no flame war intended, I just support Joe. ;)
And I thank you sir!
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- Joe D. jdeangelo@home.com Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723)
------------------------------------------------------------------------- Heaven must be more than this / When angels waken with a kiss Sacred hearts won't take the pain / But mine will never be the same He stands before the window / His shadow slowly fading from the wall And from an ivory tower hears her call / "Let the light surround you"
- Dream Theater, from "Surrounded" (lyrics by Kevin Moore) -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:46:44 -0500 From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: In defense of "Crystal Planet" and "Tyranny" Message-ID: <199809280546.AAA24600@mail.busprod.com>
>Greetings ye 'jamanoids..... > >Two of the best new releases of the year are being slammed. I must speak up. > >CyberDuke remarked: >>Crystal >>Planet? IMHO, this is far, far worst Satriani albunm.... >> Like a cliche album done according some written Satch >>compositionary rules. It IS Satch sound but a lousy one.
yea... I would have to agree... I'll just wait for the next one, hope its just a slump.
>Case in point: the remarks below from John J., regarding Shadow Gallery's >"Tyranny": >>i concur. the instrumental parts are listenable, even good. i'm sorry. i have >>taste. i can't get past the lyircs and vocals.
You have DIFFERENT taste...
and I agree... bleeeeeck!!!
>I could make a cheap shot and say "yeah, poor taste", but instead I'll just >remark again that opinions differ. What burns me about this remark is that >you're assuming that because YOU don't like something, it doesn't have any >merit. Bullshit. It just doesn't have any merit *for you*.
true... and some people think those "pissing calvin" stickers is "expression", I say tacky... live and let people embarrass themselves I say.
>>anyone wanna buy/trade my Savatage Dead Winter Dead?
Trade you my copy of Carved in Stone? call it even? :-)
>Somebody take him up on the offer. I hate to see *another* good album go >unappreciated.
I just wanted to pipe in and say that I'm with the original poster (John J) and that he's not just some pocket radical that is so far removed from any "normal" opinion. I personally think that shadow gallery sounds like a heavy metal Celine Dion... uuuuugghhhh, that's not a good thing mind you... The jam has been a little hit and miss as far as recommendations go sometimes. I think that just kinda shows a polarity between people with different backgrounds that meet at Dream Theater's music. I'm in the camp that finds groups like Savatage and Shadow Gallery boring... so sue me.
Personally I think Spock's Beard "The Kindness of Strangers" wins the "kicked my ass the hardest award" for most pleasant suprise. The Light was ok... this is awesome!!! Second runner up... LTE, oh baby.....
take care you fiends!
bruce (bforst@busprod.com)
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:19:27 PDT From: "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ol' fogie with some questions... Message-ID: <19980928061927.12834.qmail@hotmail.com>
What's up guys? I haven't been on the list in a LONG time and now I'm back! Thank God for companies that provide free internet access! ROCK!
Anyway, I'm a little green this year in terms of being up-to-date with my prog knowledge, so please allow me to ask a question or two for the panel...
1. Is Devin Townsend's CD "Ocean Machine" Progressive in any way? Extensive reviews are welcome!
2. Liquid Tension Experiment has proven to be one of the year's most surprising pickups! And now I hear of LTE2??? When is this jewel scheduled to be done/released???
3. What's the latest on future DT releases? Is Metropolis 2 any closer to being a reality? I've heard that a live album is next? True?
4. Where can I get "Raise the Knife" in CD form? Or if it's on the web, where?
5. I got a Prog/Death Metal sampler from the ytsejam a couple years back (shouldn't we do this again? So many great bands I heard from those samplers!!!) and promptly lost it. But I remember being engaged by a band called Dark Tranquility. The song was "A Bolt of Blazing Gold" and I think the album was "Skydancer". At least I THINK I've got the right song. It stuck out to me because of the contrast of the male death-metal singer and female melodic vocals as well. The two polar opposites led to quite the sonic experience! I've done a little research though, and found that only a male vocalist is mentioned for that album (and that band). Does she only appear as a guest on one or two songs? Do I have the wrong band? Am I nutzo?
Well, that's about it for now! I suddenly have work to do! Later guys!
-Dr. Teeth
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:50:27 -0500 From: "Ryan Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: "Stained Glass" - new DT boot of Rotterdam fanclub gig!! Message-ID: <001301bdeaad$9192ca00$79eb490c@dwhit>
Scarred Records is proud to announce "Stained Glass". It has, in its entirety, the Dutch "unplugged" fanclub gig that DT performed this past June.
The sound quality, I kid you not, approaches soundboard quality (it's an audience boot recorded directly in front of the speakers). It's just fantastic. The sound quality by itself places it among one of the best DT boots ever. It's the special nature of the show that propels it to stellar status. =)
The show was also recorded by Kevin Shirley, and the talk before the show was that parts of it were to show up on the upcoming live album. Since then the band has decided to make the live album consist purely of the three-hour Paris gig it did soon after. Parts of this Rotterdam unplugged show will undoubtedly show up on the video and this year's fanclub CD.
The tracklist is: Intro / Speak to Me / Lifting Shadows off a Dream (new intro) / Hey You (Pink Floyd) / The Silent Man (electric version) / To Live Forever / Cover My Eyes / Another Day (w/ soprano sax) / Take Away My Pain (w/ alto sax) / Wait for Sleep / Mean Street (excerpt) / Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (Elton John) / Eve / Anna Lee / Carpe Diem / Hollow Years / Paradigm Shift (excerpt) / The Way it Used to Be / Bad (U2) / Peruvian Skies (w/ Have a Cigar and Enter Sandman excerpts) / The Silent Man (electric version) - take two / Trial of Tears
I made a quickie sampler MP3 of bits and pieces of some various songs. Here it is: http://www.geocities.com/soho/2236/rotsamp.mp3 The sound quality of the final product will be MUCH better than this MP3. I'll not go into many details, but the MP3 was constructed from two analog gens (hence the hiss) and is also subject to information loss in the conversion to the MP3 format. The final CD product I release will be an exact digital clone of the master DAT. This means no hiss and no clipping.. just pure ecstasy. =)
A quickie review of the show: Amazing. =) I haven't been able to stop listening to this show for the past few weeks now (in the car, before I go to sleep, while I eat, etc.). James' singing is extremely top-notch, and he gives me chills when he's hitting the high notes on both takes of The Silent Man (electric version). The atmosphere is extremely relaxed. Lots of joking around, etc. JP does a very cool intro as Mike's daughter Melody makes an entrance. There's a cool new outro at the end of To Live Forever (great to hear that one live again) and a spiffy new intro to LSoaD.
I'm going all out on production of this boot. I'm even enlisting the help of a pro designer who helped design part of the "Awake" liner. It'll have a multi-page, magazine-quality insert and painted discs (not stick-on labels). Nothing but the best for the best. =)
I'm not releasing this title until at least after the official live album is released, possibly even a couple weeks after that. I will be opening for pre-orders in about two weeks or so, so stay tuned to my website for further information about all that.
Also, the URL for my page is changing. Please update your bookmarks. Nick Bogovich is graciously hosting my site now (thank goodness no more Geocities). We will also be teaming up for future projects down the line, so stay tuned for those as well. =)
Take care, everybody! Ryan Whitaker Scarred Records http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/scarred
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