YTSEJAM Digest 4300
Today's Topics:
1) In defense of "Crystal Planet" and "Tyranny"
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4299
by Steven Zebrowski <szebro1@ds1.GL.UMBC.EDU>
3) Reviews
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
4) asdf
by "Xavi Temporal" <tropiman@sumi.es>
5) Steve Vai
by NikBrooks@aol.com
6) Steve Vai
by NikBrooks@aol.com
7) DT Live in Tokyo
by NikBrooks@aol.com
8) LTE2
by NikBrooks@aol.com
9) Hey guys, look what I got! Marcel Coenen and I have a common
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
10) Live In Tokio
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
11) ya might want to check this out
by Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
12) Re: Hey guys, look what I got!
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
13) Re: FREEBIRD!!!!
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
14) A look in the future!
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
15) CRADLE OF FILTH in NYC!!!!!!!!
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
16) Re: CRADLE OF FILTH in NYC!!!!!!!!
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
17) Christmas CD -96
by "Sami Poimala" <spoimala@silmu.st.jyu.fi>
18) Keyboard "tabs"
by "Sami Poimala" <spoimala@silmu.st.jyu.fi>
19) New Galactic Cowboys and Shadow Gallery
by alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 00:02:45 -0400
From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: In defense of "Crystal Planet" and "Tyranny"
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980927000245.006878a0@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids.....
Two of the best new releases of the year are being slammed. I must speak up.
CyberDuke remarked:
>Crystal
>Planet? IMHO, this is far, far worst Satriani albunm. And I really love
>Satriani and have albums albums! When I first heard the title (Crystal
>Planet) I thougth "Woow, what can this be, sounds so science-fiction!" I
>really expected some mind-blowing new sound from Satch. And then ... :(
>I found NONE stuff in this album that can make me become really into the
>music. Like a cliche album done according some written Satch
>compositionary rules. It IS Satch sound but a lousy one.
It is Satch's *trademark* sound, that tone and style that is uniquely his.
And it's this trademark tone which sounds so muffled and washed out on "Joe
Satriani". That's why I like "JS" less, and why I love "Crystal Planet" so
much; every note of every song just screams out that it's Satriani playing
from the get-go.
>While Joe Satriani album [ SNIP ]
>sound SO joyful, isn't it? There's some happy mood floating
>all aorund this album! :) Definitely an album with which you can tap,
>sing, snap fingers, shout, jump ... :) It's just ... moody!
I find this interesting, since most of the people I've played the disc for
say (and I agree) that it's much cooler in tone than most of Joe's work,
with less instrumental fire and more smooth mellow groove. Less upbeat.
Nothing wrong with that, o'course; it's just different and definitely not
Joe's "normal" approach to a song.
Opinions differ, of course. Your mileage may vary.
Case in point: the remarks below from John J., regarding Shadow Gallery's
"Tyranny":
>i concur. the instrumental parts are listenable, even good. i'm sorry. i have
>taste. i can't get past the lyircs and vocals.
I could make a cheap shot and say "yeah, poor taste", but instead I'll just
remark again that opinions differ. What burns me about this remark is that
you're assuming that because YOU don't like something, it doesn't have any
merit. Bullshit. It just doesn't have any merit *for you*.
>anyone wanna buy/trade my Savatage Dead Winter Dead?
Somebody take him up on the offer. I hate to see *another* good album go
unappreciated.
Ta,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter
"Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who
no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired,
gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals
Currently playing: Jonas Kvarnstrom and Stefan Schramm -- "Pacific Blue"
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 01:13:02 -0400
From: Steven Zebrowski <szebro1@ds1.GL.UMBC.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4299
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980927011302.0079a3a0@pop.gl.umbc.edu>
>Not because Derek isn't as good as
>Kevin (hit me in the face...), but because the songs don't call for
>it. The solo in Burning my Soul is good, but it's the only one on
>the CD. There's no Metropolis, no UAGM, no songs that call for
>keyboard liquidation.
What constitutes a song that calls for keyboards or "keyboard liquidation?"
(What is keyboard liquidation anyway?) I'm sure that a song like New
Millenium would sound a lot more different without keys than UaGM or
Metropolis would. Those songs could survive without the keyboards. New
Millenium couldn't.
Steve Z
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 01:13:34 +1000
From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Reviews
Message-ID: <360BB31E.A15BF6B2@sydney.net>
Yep I am back from the dead, I am sure you all missed my flames and
opinions, so hear goes with a recent batch of new music :)
ANGRA 'Fireworks'
The long awaited follow up to 'Holy Land', I had very high expectations
of this. Sadly as much as I want to, I can't put this anywhere near
Angra's previous 2 releases. The songs are all well written and played
what lets it down for me is the truly awful production.
The sound and songs are quite different from 'HL', but I feel that
Angra are capable of much batter than this. Surprisingly the Japanese
only bonus track is by far the best song and sounds better than the
other 10 songs.
My rating 7/10
LABYRINTH 'Return To Heaven Denied'
Italian power metalists deliver the most unexpected brilliant
2nd album. Nothing new or original, just a superb all round CD.
Power metal with a touch of prog throw in, superbly played, great lead
guitar. New vocalist a more than capable replacement for Fabio Leon, who
is now with Rhapsody. I describe them as a similar sort of band to
Stratovarius, lots of uptempo songs, but with a touch more prog.
My rating 9.5/10
ENCHANT 'Break'
Back with their 4th album, Enchant deliver an album similar in style
to 'Wounded', but with a heavier, slightly more rawer sound this time.
Ted Leonerd is 'singing' more this time. If you have any of the bands
other albums, you know what to expect.
Sadly I believe that the band are still with a label in the USA
so this at the moment is only available on the InsideOut label in
Europe.
My rating 9/10
ROYAL HUNT 'Paradox - Closing The Chapter' CD/Video
This is basically a live version of the 'Paradox' album released in
Japan only as a CD/Video boxed set. Exact same tracks as the studio
album, this was recorded on the Japanese tour. The video is superbly
shot, the sound as you would expect from Royal Hunt is awesome. An added
bonus is the two female backing vocalists are very cute :)
My rating 10/10
Graham
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 11:57:09 +0200
From: "Xavi Temporal" <tropiman@sumi.es>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: asdf
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 06:13:57 EDT
From: NikBrooks@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Steve Vai
Message-ID: <cf3ac9e3.360e0fe5@aol.com>
In a message dated 9/26/98 11:01:31PM, you write:
>> Don't think so!!! His previous bands include Frank Zappa and Alcatraz
>(with
>> Graham Bonnet where he replaced the departing Malmsteen).
>>
>> Anyone else????
>>
>> N
>
>Vai has NEVER been in Savatage, the bands he was in are Zappa, Alcatraz,
>David Lee Roth and Whitesnake,
Well I thought everyone would have known he was in those two (DLR and
Whitesnake), but yeah I suppose they should be added to the list for the sake
of being complete!
I suppose we should really mention Vai also, with Devin Townsend on vox (a
rather good guitarist himself).
N
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 06:13:56 EDT
From: NikBrooks@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Steve Vai
Message-ID: <850e873b.360e0fe4@aol.com>
In a message dated 9/26/98 11:01:31PM, you write:
>> Don't think so!!! His previous bands include Frank Zappa and Alcatraz
>(with
>> Graham Bonnet where he replaced the departing Malmsteen).
>>
>> Anyone else????
>>
>> N
>
>Vai has NEVER been in Savatage, the bands he was in are Zappa, Alcatraz,
>David Lee Roth and Whitesnake,
Well I thought everyone would have known he was in those two (DLR and
Whitesnake), but yeah I suppose they should be added to the list for the sake
of being complete!
I suppose we should really mention Vai also, with Devin Townsend on vox (a
rather good guitarist himself).
N
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 06:28:00 EDT
From: NikBrooks@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Live in Tokyo
Message-ID: <cd3aea4f.360e1330@aol.com>
> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 05:16:17 EDT
> From: NikBrooks@aol.com
> Subject: DT Live in Tokyo Video
>
> Well worth searching out. Go for it cos it's very funny in places. Hope the
> new live video is as good. Mike Portnoy certainly made a good job of Tokyo
> ....
>
> N
Cyberduke said:
What do ya mean "Mike made a good job"? What's concretely his share in
it?
I believe the silly bits in between, like standing outside the condom shop and
Abbey Road for example. Don't want to give too much away because it will
spoil the enjoyment of those who are about to watch!
He also says in the message to the web site that he actually gets a director's
credit in the NEW video although he didn't get one last time.
Hope that clarifies things.
N
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 06:28:05 EDT
From: NikBrooks@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LTE2
Message-ID: <d33bf2cf.360e1335@aol.com>
I believe Mark bredius said that LTE2 will have the same line-up as LTE1:
Tony Levin
John Petrucci
Mike Portnoy
Jordan Rudess
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 12:45:30 +0200 (CEST)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Majesty <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Hey guys, look what I got! Marcel Coenen and I have a common
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.03.9809271242520.17096-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
This is what i got in reply to my post about Eternity X. Is there a way
that a list manager (Skadz??) could unsub this sucker, looks like he's
going to flame everybody who dares writing a message to the Jam.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:06:39 -0500 (CDT)
]From: GUILLERMO DE JESUBEETON GALARZA <al602348@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Eternity X and other X'es
dumbass bithc!
straight edge is the only x that counts, if you
dont buy it, go ask your mom, or your mothers mom, or your
lesbsis!!
On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Peter Geerts wrote:
> Well, they're a band, they have some albums, of which The Edge is
> definitaly worth checking out... They call themselves 'Beyond
> Progressive', although I think it's dumb when a band tries to categorize
> themselves... To call yourself BEYOND Progressive sounds a bit arrogant
> too, although The Edge still is a fine effort.
>
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 13:12:42 +0200 (CEST)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Majesty <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Live In Tokio
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.03.9809271311150.17641-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
Hey guys/gals, is there a way/place to obtain LiT through the internet? I
tried all my local cd stores but they all said it was sold out, or they
couldn't get it or something like that...
Tnx
Zaphod
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ICQ: 13122636
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Voorzitter JVS Orion Mechelen
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 08:04:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ya might want to check this out
Message-ID: <19980927150409.28566.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com>
http://www.cyberimagen.com/panamarock/index.htm
The band: Equinox. They're the first panamanian prog band to put out a
CD. I saw 'em live once, and they had a Rush/Floyd/Kansas thing
going. Havent heard the cd though. They have a sample of one the
songs there..please, check it out:)
Ern
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 11:44:26 EDT
From: DragynLMC3@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: skadz@dreamt.org
Subject: Re: Hey guys, look what I got!
Message-ID: <3daea566.360e5d5a@aol.com>
Zaphod mentions this guy:
GUILLERMO DE JESUBEETON GALARZA <al602348@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
and I must agree with him. I posted a question a while back and this fucknut
started sending me emails insulting me and shit. Really ticked me off but i
figured it wasn't worth mentioning but it seems I was not the only one he has
harassed. Can anyone contact Skadz? (i dont remember his email address.)
thanks in advance!
~Lisa
DragynLMC3@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/dragynlmc3/DragynsLair.html
~Credendo Vides~ By Believing, One Sees
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 14:51:28 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: FREEBIRD!!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980927144645.18364B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, CyberDuke wrote:
> Andrenaline in its purest forms.
Well, I just came back from the "Monsters of Rock" festival here
in Sao Paulo, where Dream Theater, Manowarghhhh, Savatage, Megadeth and
Slayer played (Slayer was the headliner).
If you wanted adrenaline, there was a lot of it being distributed
gratis during the the show of Slayer. Man, I really couldn't believe when
the guys played "Raining Blood".
My neck hurts a lot right now. :-( But it was good. :-)
Oh, and Dream Theater changed the setlist for their show here. If
you wanna know, just ask me.
[]s, Roger
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:16:46 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A look in the future! Message-ID: <360E9D2E.58B8C032@mol.com.mk>
Here's an interesting thought. (NDTC, sorry)
What is the best way to archive some stuff, keep it for the future????
Seen from perspective of distant future, or at least 20, 30 years later. For example - music: You REALLY wanna keep something and you decide, let's say, transforming some music into MP3s and put it on few CD-ROMs. Sound quality - perfect, text included in word doc., txt etc... = the history is recorded!
But the question is will the future technology be able to read all this stuff and have the ability to edit them. I know that one of the biggest problems in the fast progress of computer technology is making the new stuff compatible with the older ones. Otherwise much money is wasted. Similar to the problem of US standard of video signal. I heard that it's definitely weaker than European but replacing all your VCRs would cost ALOT and so it just stays the same (don't know for sure, don't jump in my trout for this!)
But for the future humanity definitely must find a way to globalize things, make them according one single standard. Otherwise we can't talk about unification, right?
Do you think that in year 2020 all homes will have music players on which you can play your present (let's say) "Awake" CD??? The question expands on all possible information storage devices/keepers: RealAudio, WAVs, DOCs, HTMLs... you name it!
I sincerely expect interesting thoughts/comments on this one! Don't let me down. :)
CyberDuke
NP: The Who - Best Of
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 15:30:47 -0400 From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: CRADLE OF FILTH in NYC!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <360E9267.30F656CB@earthlink.net>
Satan's comin' to town kiddies.......
CRADLE OF FILTH US TOUR DATES 10/14 - Maritime Hall, San Francisco CA 10/16 - Variety Arts Center, Los Angeles CA 10/18 - Riviera Theater, Chicago IL 10/20 - Tramp's, New York NY
At least now I can see their full set (since I left them halfway through at Wacken to see the amazing CHILDREN OF BODOM!!)
Be there with yer' corpsepaint on!!!!
cheers, Carlo (Fates)
NP: PSYCHTOIC WALTZ "Bleeding" -- "When you know that your time is close at hand maybe then you'll begin to understand Life down here is just a strange illusion."
--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:29:35 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: CRADLE OF FILTH in NYC!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980927172838.18878A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, Carlo D'Angelo wrote:
> Satan's comin' to town kiddies....... > > CRADLE OF FILTH US TOUR DATES (...) > --IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
BTW, did you listen their cover of Iron Maiden's HBTN? It's interesting, to say the least.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:35:04 +0300 From: "Sami Poimala" <spoimala@silmu.st.jyu.fi> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Christmas CD -96 Message-ID: <001201bdd9d5$d440a630$6ebfea82@spnet.ainola.jyu.fi>
Hi!
Anyone willing to sell / trade / copy / anything DT Christmas CD 96?
Sami
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:38:41 +0300 From: "Sami Poimala" <spoimala@silmu.st.jyu.fi> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Keyboard "tabs" Message-ID: <001401bdd9d6$55b891f0$6ebfea82@spnet.ainola.jyu.fi>
There are many places sites full of guitar and bass tabs, but where in the hell are all keyboard tabs? Am I the only keyboard player who can't listen Kevin's / Derek's chords and solos exactly or what?
Anyway, if anyone has well-made notes for keyboard (or is willing to have a "tabbing project" like ACOS but for keys) let me know!
Sami
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:51:58 -0300 From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1) To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New Galactic Cowboys and Shadow Gallery Message-ID: <01bdea69$6ec34ac0$2e4692cc@alexis1>
Here' s some quick comments about these two new CDs I got:
Galactic Cowboys "At the End of the Day" Well, I must say that I am dissapointed with this latest effort. I think it is a step down from the very good THTBB. For some reason, after all the hype on the jam, I tought this one would compare in style to SIYF, but it's not even close. The one it compares to the most is MF, but I like MF better. Every single song is in 4/4 (I know, there don't have to be time changes for it to be cool, but I expected some prog elements), and it's just more of the same thing. The songs are not as catchy (yet) as in previous albums, and none of them compare to songs like "Evil Twin" or "Trip on Love". There are some good songs and it's listenable, but I have to say that the variety factor has gone way down.
Shadow Gallery "Tyranny" This one, opposite to the last one, really impressed me. This CD is amazing. As many have said, if you liked Carved in Stone, you will definitely love this one. BTW, no one has mentioned (at least I haven't seen it mentioned) that James Labrie does a few lines on one song, and he sounds great. I wish he would have sung all throughout the song like D.C. Cooper did (I love this guy's voice. Does he sound this good on Royal Hunt?), but that's fine. To any of you who have their doubts about this one, give it a try, you won't regret it.
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