YTSEJAM Digest 4466
Today's Topics:
1) Re: MMW and jazz/prog
by Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
2) Vai ... I gotta know this!
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
3) More LTE
by Nikki.Brooks@taywood.co.uk
4) BASS Q: Yamaha TRB-6 II
by "Matej Grginic" <izolit@siol.net>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4465
by Pieter.Serruys@hae.hydro.com
6) Jim Page
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4464
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
8) Re: CD Burning
by Vincent LuPone <vgl@syspac.com>
9) Yo yo yo, my college was soooo phat...
by "Earle Jason" <earle_jason@bah.com>
10) Re: DT Shows
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
11) new cds
by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
12) Re: To anyone that has AWAKE TAB book ... and a question for
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
13) re: George Bellas
by AEllis1222@aol.com
14) Attn. Brazilian Jammers: 2nd Brazilian Ytsegathering
by rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito)
15) Mike pics
by "Dario" <ciccio@nf.infotel.it>
16) CDR's
by "Worrall, Patrick" <PATRICK-WORRALL@augustana.edu>
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 01:50:11 -0500
From: Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: MMW and jazz/prog
Message-ID: <3611D4A3.4F44@bellsouth.net>
Well, you could start off by going to some old school jazz, with the
Dave Brubeck Quartet, who really brought some odd time sigs into the
mainstream of jazz(check out Time Out and Time Further Out), you could
also check out some Chick Corea with Return To Forever, I was listening
to their Album Romantic Warrior(with Al Dimeola) and I couldn't help but
see the similarities to prog. Miles Davis after Bitches Brew also did
some of the same type of thing.
Basically, and this is the way I see it...Prog and Jazz are closely
related in that both types are based around alot of
improvisation...however, I see them different a great deal in
instrumentation, song structures, and basic "feel", for example the more
"swinging" feel in jazz. As for rock bands that tend more toward jazz, I
know these may not be prog, but I look at Blood Sweat and Tears,
Chicago(older), Tower of Power, Bruce Hornsby, and the Ben Folds Five as
having a lot of jazz influence. One thing I tend to notice, and I'd
like to see other people's opinion on this, is that for the most part,
guitar-based rock bands tend to not lean towards jazz as much as ones
with keyboards(I play neither, so it's not prejudice...hehe) Also, the
lack of horns(Another Day excluded) in prog is something else. I'd love
to find some stuff with prog bands with some horns, or orchestrations,
or something like that, is there anything like that???
One other thing, Is all of MMW's stuff like this last one?? I listened
to it a bit, and I didn't care too much for it, too much DJ type stuff
in it(record spinning and all) for my taste, I wonder if their other
stuff is better..
With all the talk of Jazz/Prog/Rock lately, I was listening to one of my
favorite Jazz bands the other day, Medeski, Martin and Wood, and I was
thinking about where to draw the line between Jazz and Prog. Some jazz
has so
many of the characteristics of good progressive music (complex beats,
intricate instrument playing). Where do you guys draw the line between
Prog
and Jazz? What groups cross that line every once in a while (either
way)?
-- now playing:Chick Corea Akoustic Band-Alive Geaux Tigers!!!! http://www.angelfire.com/la/qryche/index.html "I Know If I Try, I'll Get Where I'm Going/ Keeping My Eyes On the Sky" -"Some People Fly" by Queensryche------------------------------
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 01:19:37 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Vai ... I gotta know this! Message-ID: <3661E499.B0FCB44B@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:32:03 -0700 > From: Vincent LuPone <vgl@syspac.com> > Subject: Paganini > > Paganini actually wrote about 150 caprices for guitar as well. > One of the caprices was adapted (or so I'm told) to "Eugene's > bag of tricks" by Steve Vai from the movie Crossroads (Ralph > Macchio's character plays it in the movie at the end).
Can PLEASE someone say if the Vai stuff from "Crossrodas" can be found on some kind of release???
How about the "Head cuttin' duel" where this awesome caprice is inlcuded! Will these tracks be included on the new boxset together with other movie music Vai played???
> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:23:01 +0200 > From: "TSM" <tonimaki@dlc.fi> > Subject: Re: Classic music / Pirate CDs 'n stuff > > CyberDuke: > >OK, after a long struggle in your mind you finally got it! Woohoo! > > Hey, gimme a break. It's not easy to be me ;)
Who said it is? :)
> >I was commenting general,and none of my words were poining at you! > Good to know, but you never can be too careful on the 'jam :)
Believe me, I know how you feel! ;)))
> it's only that I'm pissed off 'cause couple of my friends have > their shelves full of copied CDs, about 3 $ each, > and I'm paying 18-24 bucks per cd
Deja vu???
> Anyway, I have no idea about the quality of Bulgarian pirate cds > but saying that they destroy the laser sounds a bit weird. None > of my friends have this problem. What a pity :)
:)) Yo guys, not necesarilly Bulgarian ones, I just wanna know if generally pirate CDs are the same quality as the original ones? I don't plan converting but I just wanna know! Of course, it would be nice to make copies of some desired but not top priority CDs. HEck, who can think of buying some more Jethro Tull with all this new stuff coming out: LTE, LTE2, AOI, BLS, OIALT, ... :(
> >SO, my question is: Is there any other reason for not buying > >pirate CDs except the moral side? > > You don't get the neat looking booklet :)
Geez, really? I'm talking about the MUSIC! I'm serious for God's sake! :) Tell this to your frined and he'll tell ya: "So stupid punk, you pay 15$ more just for the piece of paper?" Lemme put it more easy to you! :) What if the pirate ones are sold with original liner notes????? :)
C'mon all, just answer the simple question! Oh yeah, add magic word - PLEASE!? :) --
CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:40:08 +0000 From: Nikki.Brooks@taywood.co.uk To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: More LTE Message-ID: <702D3AE4@MHS>
Latest extracts from Tony Levin's site http://www.papabear.com/tlev.htm
ROAD DIARY UPDATE - Nov. 28, Millbrook NY.
We're in the last stages of recording here with Liquid Tension. Had to stop work today for the usual photo session - there's always a band debate about those things - you know you need photos, but somehow the shoot usually ends up disrupting all work for most of the day. (I recall a Crimson day, recording THRAAK in RealWorld Studio 1995, when Robert Fripp refused to allow a photo shoot, saying we'd lose a whole day of recording. The record company insisted, assuring it would only take an hour. We let them schedule the shoot. It took all day.)
Anyway, this one went quickly, and I got some interesting shots during it. We're getting so many L.T.E. shots, we've decided to start a new photo page with thumbnails you can click on to see the full picture with captions. Dream Theater fans will certainly enjoy the photos of their group.
ROAD DIARY UPDATE - Nov. 27, Millbrook, NY
Back in Millbrook Sound with Liquid Tension, having broken for a day to eat (burp) with our families. Album is finally getting finished up - one track to go, and we'll be ready to do fixes and overdubs. Considering some January live dates, for sure one at the NAMM show in L.A.
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:53:29 +0100 From: "Matej Grginic" <izolit@siol.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: BASS Q: Yamaha TRB-6 II Message-ID: <19981130094856.AAA4039@amon.siol.net@siol.net.siol.net>
Hello Jammers (especially the bassplayers),
I'm about to buy myself a Yamaha TRB II 6 string bass. Since the local guitarshops don't have it in stock I'll have to order it and spit out the dough before I try it out. I would GREATLY aprecciate=20 it if anyone who has any kind of experience with this axe, wrote a brief review, just stuff you like and dislike about it.
Sorry for NDTC (well maybe it's remotely connected, cause I'm gonna=20 play DT bass lines on it :-)
Thanx a ton,
Matej,=20 Slovenian jammer=20
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:12:40 +0100 From: Pieter.Serruys@hae.hydro.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4465 Message-ID: <412566CC.00382F84.00@osla28smtp.hda.hydro.com>
Hello Ytsejammers,
Just a quick question. In the JP guitar solo on OiaL, he plays a couple of classical pieces (I think). I was able to recognize the Flight of the Bumblebee ( even with my limited knowledge of classical stuff ) , but before that he plays something else which sounds a bit like
<ASCII sound clip> daa daa daa daa daa daa daaaaa da da da daa daa da da da daaaaa ..
Does anyone know what piece this is and maybe who composed it ?
I saw Paganini mentioned in one of the last Jams. He wrote some cool licks, this dude. Imagine that with some delay and a bit of distortion !! Oh, that would be Yngwie, wouldn't it.
Pieter
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:42:30 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Jim Page Message-ID: <199811301042.MAA28904@xyz.estcard.ee>
John "My sig is 18 lines long and that's a lot" DiBella:
> Jimmy Page - Sounds like a 2 year old with a broken arm
I'm sure that Steve Vai person would ferociously disagree, let alone dozens of other guitar players out there right now. I rather doubt rock music would be the same without him.
========================================================================= Raivo Hool office raitz@estcard.ee ICQ 19980975 private raitz@ircnet.ee Windows NT administrator static (+372) 6 711 450 Estonian Card Center of Banks motion (+372) 51 43 567 =========================================================================
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:10:04 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4464 Message-ID: <199811301110.NAA29695@xyz.estcard.ee>
]From: "TSM" <tonimaki@dlc.fi>
> >SO, my question is: Is there any other reason for not buying pirate CDs > >except the moral side? > You don't get the neat looking booklet :)
Try this: rip an original CD. Then burn an audio CD from the wav-files that you got. Then extract the audio data from the CD you yourself burned. Write another CD from the wav-files. Etc. After doing this 4 times, I'm not so sure you'd even understand what band is playing. Three words: jitter and CRC.
For me, three reasons stand out why I mostly avoid pirate and self-made CDs. The royalties, the booklet and THE SOUND. It's actually pretty easy to tell shit from shinola, if you're not deaf as a birch stump.
Raitz, about to get two latest Bozzio solo works and the works from Spock's Beard
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 05:30:03 -0700 From: Vincent LuPone <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: CD Burning Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981130053001.006a40c8@postoffice.syspac.com>
Raitz wrote: >Try this: rip an original CD. Then burn an audio CD from the wav-files >that you got. Then extract the audio data from the CD you yourself burned. >Write another CD from the wav-files. Etc. After doing this 4 times, I'm >not so sure you'd even understand what band is playing. Three words: >jitter and CRC.
Or get that new CD Burner from Phillips, hook up your regular CD player directly to it, and never lose sound quality.
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 07:41:33 -0500 From: "Earle Jason" <earle_jason@bah.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Yo yo yo, my college was soooo phat... Message-ID: <3662927D.8DFF651F@bah.com>
> Also, due to [Paganini's]frightening displays of virtuosity and strange, lanky > physique, Paganini was often thought to be in league with the devil (or > something to that effect). Very cool.... :) > > Czech-ya, > > Luke.
Actually, I think it had more to do with the fact that he was prone to biting the heads off of live bats during his performances. I love P-dawg's work, but I found it very humorous in college - my alma mater (Grove City, in PA) is so anal, it would make 17th century Puritans pucker their asses. Anyways, when we had to study modern music, the professor didn't bother to hide her disdain for all things electric and/or modern, with maybe the exception of Michael Card (one, two, three, POWER VOMIT). She was absolutely amazed with my boy Nicholo though. I just sat there shaking my head, thinking about how if she was born 2 hundred years ago, she'd be the first in line labeling him as being in league with the devil.
I wore my Ozzy "revenge of the dove" T-shirt to class every time the opportunity arose. For those of you not familiar, it's the one where the dove bites HIS head off. Hot damn, it's great to be the only Marine in a school full of pussies.
-Looooeeeeeeeee, Corporal type.
Any other Grove City Ytsejammers out there? (Yeah right...)
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 05:47:48 PST From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: DT Shows Message-ID: <19981130134748.29078.qmail@hotmail.com>
Where are they going to be playing out here? I don't know of any shows, except MP clinics, but even that I think is only one on the east coast. Hmmm ...
Mike
>Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:04:50 -0800 (PST) >Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com >From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: DT Shows > > >Greetings to all those in Ytseland. > >I'll keep this brief. >I'm thinking of heading out east (I'm from Detroit) to check out some >(read: as many as possible!) of the late December DT shows. I'd like to >get together and hang out with some Jammers, both as far as going to the >shows, and just generally hanging out/fucking around. I mean, I don't >know anybody out there, and I don't feel like heading way out there to >be bored out of my mind with nothing to do (except catch the shows, of >course). > >So if anybody is interested in getting together at all, please E-Mail me >as soon as possible so that I can figure out what the deal is, and if >I'm gonna go (I need to decide ASAP.... if I do go, I need to make work >arrangements in the very near future). > >Also, if anybody could tell me a bit about the proximity between the >shows, and where would be a good "centrally located" place to stay to >catch the maximum amount of shows - any info would be appreciated. > >By the way, is there any big "Ytsegathering" planned or anything? > > >Thanks, I hope to hear from some of you, > >- Joe D. > jdeangelo@home.com > Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723), and IRC > >************************************************************************** >Just another Sunday morning / Seen my diary on the newsstand >Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand / It's a shame no one is praying >'Cause these voices in my heard keep sayin'... / "Love, just don't stare >Reveal the Word when you're supposed to" >- Dream Theater "Voices" (lyrics by John Petrucci) >************************************************************************** >
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:31:39 -0500 From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: new cds Message-ID: <3662BA5B.91E08108@trw.com>
Rush-Different Stages: $17 for a 3 disc set. Enough said.... These discs are great quality.
Kansas-King Biscuit Flower Hour:From 1989 I think with Steve Morse on guitar. I guess it was from the In the Spirit of Things tour. A decent live disc. Never realized that album is a concept album.
NP:Skid Row-Slave to the Grind -- |----------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email: Pat.Daugherty@trw.com | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | |----------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:41:56 -0600 (CST) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: To anyone that has AWAKE TAB book ... and a question for Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.981130094003.25922A@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
The japanese AWAKE band score book omitted "The Mirror" for some reason,=20 so, i think there=B4s no full band score for that song.....
Mauricio
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:42:29 EST From: AEllis1222@aol.com To: mattb@mbay.net, ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: George Bellas Message-ID: <e0c0e0fb.3662bce5@aol.com>
Bummer! You bought the wrong CD! "Turn" is not a good CD. George made a major leap with his next one "Mind Over Matter". Its a major improvement. Better songs, more guitar synths. Man, just plain better. Give it a try before you give up on George.
~~Art
www.joestump.com
<<<Greetings, I just recently got ahold of George Bellas' Turn of the Melenium. Though I enjoy Yngwie, I thought he had mastered the art of tasteless shred. I was wrong. Bellas can out-play Yngwie in terms of technique, and he does it every note of the CD. It's utterly BORING!!!!!!!!! Yes, it's awesome shred, but to me, there's no emotion at all. Should anyone still like to get ahold of this CD, I'll part with it for a measely $5. Be well. Matt B>>>
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:38:55 -0500 From: rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito) To: rbrito-ytsebr@ime.usp.br Cc: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Attn. Brazilian Jammers: 2nd Brazilian Ytsegathering Message-ID: <PRvY2MlyZQ6a092yn@ime.usp.br>
Hi, All. This is an informative message aimed at the Brazilian members of the Ytsejam and YtseBR mailing lists (please, send any replies to <rbrito-ytsebr@ime.usp.br> or to my personal address). Here follows some information about the event.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 - O que e' a YtseBR? R.: A YtseBR e' uma lista nacional de discussoes sobre o Dream Theater e assuntos relacionados, muito semelhante `a Ytsejam. O idioma oficial e' o Portugues, mas mensagens ocasionais enviadas em Ingles tambem sao aceitas.
2 - O que e' o Ytsegathering? R.: O Ytsegathering e' um encontro dos membros da lista, cujo objetivo e' o de tentar aproximar ainda mais os fas da banda e evitar que as pessoas tenham um contato frio unica e exclusivamente por meio de correio eletronico. Todos sao convidados a participar do Ytsegathering.
3 - Tudo bem. Agora que eu ja' sei o que e' o Ytsegathering, quando vai ocorrer um? R.: O primeiro Ytsegathering da YtseBR ocorreu em 29 de agosto de 1998. O proximo Ytsegathering ocorrera' em 12 de dezembro de 98 e contaremos com sua presenca (veja maiores detalhes abaixo). A organizacao do evento :-) esta' decidindo realizar um Ytsegathering a cada 3 ou 4 meses por ano (aproximadamente).
4 - Certo. Agora, quais sao os dados completos sobre o Ytsegathering? R.: Ainda bem que voce^ perguntou. Aqui estao eles:
* Evento: 2o. Ytsegathering * Data : 12/12/98 (sabado) * Local : Galeria do Rock, 1o. Andar, em frente `a Hellion. Rua 24 de maio, 62. * Hora : a partir das 14h
5 - Sou de fora de Sao Paulo. Posso comparecer ao encontro? R.: Certamente. Outras pessoas tambem farao o mesmo. Por exemplo, temos membros do Rio de Janeiro que comparecerao. Estaremos divulgando um FAQ com explicacoes detalhadas de como chegar ao encontro em <http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ytsebr/> a partir de 3 de Dezembro.
6 - Gostei da iniciativa e gostaria de fazer parte da YtseBR. O que devo fazer? R.: Muito simples. Siga a receita de 2 passos que esta' listada abaixo:
* mande uma mensagem vazia para rbrito-ytsebr-request@ime.usp.br; * voce^ recebera' uma mensagem de resposta contendo algumas informacoes sobre a lista. Leia-as com atencao e envie uma nova mensagem ao endereco la' designado. Pronto! Voce^ ja' esta' inscrito na lista para participar de nossas discussoes. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Thank you very much for your time, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - Personal homepage: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ rbrito@ime.usp.br - Undergraduate Computer Science Student =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:50:14 +0100 From: "Dario" <ciccio@nf.infotel.it> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Mike pics Message-ID: <m0zkYJf-002F6KC@by>
Hi, I'm a young fan of Mike Portnoy, and I've subscribed myself right now. I can't find nice photos of my idol, so ,please, send me every picture you can.
DARIO
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:36:15 -0600 From: "Worrall, Patrick" <PATRICK-WORRALL@augustana.edu> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: CDR's Message-ID: <030B6A16275AD211928500A0C95EB693F915D5@loki.augustana.edu>
Sorry About this.
I need to find out about which type of CDR is generally the best. What about Maxell CD-R74's?
Please respond to my personal email rather than the jam.
-Pat
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