YTSEJAM Digest 4791
Today's Topics:
1) Queensryche - Progressive?
by Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
2) Re: Erotomania
by "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
3) CDR, Michael Romeo, WFS
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
4) Re: LtL/WfS similarity? No way!
by Alexandre Lymberopoulos <lymber@iname.com>
5) DT-covers on OIAL
by Adrian79@aol.com
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4790
by Chris Jerolamon <ckj@UDel.Edu>
7) Re: OIALT
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
8) Re: Queensryche
by MentalHunk@aol.com
9) re: Queensryche
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
10) erotomaniacal definitions
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
11) Re: FII demo petition
by Calvin6S@aol.com
12) Marillion
by Compadre32@aol.com
13) cd burners
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
14) DT In Korea???
by MTeiper@aol.com
15) Re: Queensryche
by Junesryche@aol.com
16) Burning, Learning to Wait for SLeep
by Chris Oates <coates@objectivity.com>
17) Re: Marillion
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
18) queensryche
by "Newtz Brian J." <NEWTZBJ1@GCC.EDU>
19) Re: Terry Bozzio
by Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
20) petition / 'Ryche prog?
by JamesAhab@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 15:44:39 -0400
From: Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Queensryche - Progressive?
Message-ID: <4.2.0.32.19990407153216.00a6e620@pop.mindspring.com>
At 12:05 PM 4/7/99 -0700, Andy Putman wrote:
>). They seem more like a straight
>ahead metal band, though with some progressive elements. Oh well, I'll
>probably be crucified for this, and certainly it should be taken with a
>grain of salt -- the only albums I've heard are Mindcrime, Empire, and
>Promised Land (which seems to me like their best work among the three).
I agree wholeheartedly with this. I've never understood why Queensryche is
considered a "progressive" metal band. It all goes back to the
"progressive" definition. My definition includes weird time sigs, long
songs, nonstandard song structure (not usually
verse-chorus-verse-chorus-etc), and long instrumentals. QR doesn't really
fill any of these. They have generally short songs, are generally in 4,
almost always use verse-chorus-verse-etc, and have very few instrumental
passages other than what you'd see in any other song with a guitar
solo. This isn't to say I don't like QR - they're one of my favorites
(tho' I've been turned off lately by their really shoddy performance at the
last show I attended, but...).
However, some people lean more towards the definition of prog which
stresses constantly changing your sound from record to record, era to
era. This is fine, and this would fit QR, but then you'd have to include
bands like Pearl Jam and other bands who's albums have no progressive
concepts whatsoever but change their sound regularly.
Alot of fanatics on the QR Usenet group seem to think that since QR changes
their sound from album to album (in general) and that they have more or
less intelligent lyrics that they're automatically a "progressive" metal
band. Do they change sounds? Yes. Do they have good
lyrics? Usually. Are they a progressive metal band because of these
traits? Not even close.
Again let me stress that I really like QR, but they're (at least imo) a
straight ahead metal/rock band with more talent than usual.
Take care all... Check out the new live DT mp3s at my webpage...
Adam
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:40:07 -0400
From: "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Erotomania
Message-ID: <005501be812e$70cb4140$32aa889e@guest3382>
Erotomania is NOT in my dictionary in and of itself, but its two parts
are:
Eroto- sexual desire
Mania- excessive or unreasonable enthusiasm; obsession
Erotomania, therefore, means obsession with sexual desire
It is pronounced more or less just as it looks, like "erotic-mania",
almost.
regards,
Josh Calkin:
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----- Original Message -----
]From: <HeiNouSX@aol.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 10:11 PM
Subject: Erotomania
>
> What does Erotomania mean? And how does everyone pronounce it?
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:49:47 -0500
From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: CDR, Michael Romeo, WFS
Message-ID: <000701be812f$cc1f4540$1a809c83@madstation>
> From: MentalHunk@aol.com
> Subject: Another Cd-r question
This happened to a friend, and I think he solved it by changing CD
software.
> Michael Romeo appeared....i can=B4t remember on what issue of what=20
> mag......but he looked thinner.....and with poofier hair...the 80=B4s way!
> He hadn=B4t formed SX yet.......
Guitar Player, and I believe he HAD already formed SX.
> From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
> Subject: LtL/WfS similarity? No way!
> Uh. Thanks for pointing this out. I would never have heard it after
> listening to the version on I&W 4,000 times.
>
> <sarcasm off>
>
> This has to be the most obvious track to track link in all of DT. Of
> course we have all heard it.
For 10 points what other DT song repeats that WFS theme intentionally
(probably) or not?
- Chris
PS. Some of you should actually READ the jam. I've seen 4 questions in as
many jams, each which had been previously answered within the 2 prior
digests. Rather irritating.
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:58:27 -0300
From: Alexandre Lymberopoulos <lymber@iname.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: LtL/WfS similarity? No way!
Message-ID: <19990407165827.A29175@iname.com>
On Apr 07 1999, Jon Kretschmer wrote:
>
> >From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
>
> >I didn't see it mentioned, but having all kind of freaks on the jam, I'm
> >sure I'm not the only one who noticed it ! :)
> >On LtL, DT play the main theme of "Wait For Sleep" for a moment!
>
> Uh. Thanks for pointing this out. I would never have heard it after
> listening to the version on I&W 4,000 times.
>
> <sarcasm off>
>
> This has to be the most obvious track to track link in all of DT. Of
> course we have all heard it.
>
> Jon
>
It appears in JLMB too... Maybe this is the lick of the band, the only
one... :-)
[]s, Alexandre.
no signature.
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:54:43 EDT
From: Adrian79@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: DT-covers on OIAL
Message-ID: <e1360bdc.243d1203@aol.com>
CyberDuke wrote:
>Is this the whole list of songs DT covered on OIALT?
>Cupid's Dead, Enter Sandman, Freebird, Have a Cigar, Moby Dick
>I think someone said Derek plays part of Plat Opus (sp?) from Platypus
>(which I don't have yet)! True? Which part is it?
Plat Opus is the first part of the Sherinian solo before he enters a LITS
part.
Additionally Petrucci picks up to songs in his solo namely: Paradigm Shift
and Flight of the Bumblebee.
There are also the one or other well known tunes picked up e.g. Voices=Star
Wars Soundtrack, Petrucci Solo=Tarantella...
I hope this answered your question. By the way, Paradigm Shift and Flight of
the Bumblebee are also mentioned in the OIAL booklet.
Adrian
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 16:35:24 -0700
From: Chris Jerolamon <ckj@UDel.Edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4790
Message-ID: <370BEBBC.1F20@udel.edu>
Oh well, I'll
> probably be crucified for this, and certainly it should be taken with a
> grain of salt -- the only albums I've heard are Mindcrime, Empire, and
> Promised Land (which seems to me like their best work among the three).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm so glad someone finally wrote this so I knew I wasn't the only one!
I've got Rage to Order, O:M, Empire, and Promised Land, and as I listen
to them in order, each one seems to get more mature. Prior to PL, all
their work, although very enjoyable, seemed to me as being very
one-dimensional; all the songs were roughly the same tempo, same feel,
same structure, but PL had some more unusual stuff. It's a shame they
regressed with their most recent work. I wouldn't recommend PL as a
starting point (I think Empire is the easiest to get into), but for me
it has the most lasting value after 40 or so listens.
-- *Chris Jerolamon* ********************************* * If you choose not to decide, * * you still have made a choice * * ...Rush * *********************************------------------------------
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:37:27 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: OIALT Message-ID: <001601be8136$75d282e0$0201010a@chuck>
>On LtL, DT play the main theme of "Wait For Sleep" for a moment!
Actually, they replay a section of Just Let Me Breathe only a little slower. Listen to the JLMB solo and compare.
*snicker* -- KorgX3 wishes DT would finally make a studio version Wait For Sleep.
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:14:29 EDT From: MentalHunk@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Queensryche Message-ID: <de88aa8d.243d16a5@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-04-07 15:07:05 EDT, you write:
<< They seem more like a straight ahead metal band, though with some progressive elements. Oh well, I'll probably be crucified for this, and certainly it should be taken with a grain of salt -- the only albums I've heard are Mindcrime, Empire, and Promised Land (which seems to me like their best work among the three). >>
No crucification here, but I suggest you listen to the first three albums (counting the EP) and then make a decision....You'll hear more "prog" elements in them.... I of course am a huge DT fan and most other fans of both bands, like me, like Queensryche's earlier works better....Give them a listen (why you don't like Mindcrime is beyond me...it rules)
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:57:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: Queensryche Message-ID: <19990407205734.23785.rocketmail@web119.yahoomail.com>
On the subject of Queensryche:
> It's kinda hard for me to accurately describe what they sound like, > because it's pretty subjective, but I'd say if you take some of the > edge off of Dream Theater, and stick in Geoff Tate's more whiny (but still > good) voice, and throw in just a little bit of Meatloafish melodrama > (especially on "Suite Sister Mary")
Melodrama? Geoff "Captain Kirk" Tate? No way!
> I don't know, Queensryche doesn't move me much. They seem far less > progressive than Dream Theater
Hmmm... What does "progressive" mean again? ;o)
It's incredible how much Queensryche sounds just like all of those other "progressive metal" bands out there today...
my $.02, BH
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 14:01:35 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: erotomaniacal definitions Message-ID: <19990407210135.86611.qmail@hotmail.com>
> What does Erotomania mean? And how does everyone pronounce it?
it's broken up in three segments, basically, "ero", "tom", and "ania", and when you get it down to its component parts, it becomes painfully obvious that the song is a homoerotic fantasy about some guy name Tom's ass....
or you could check the FAQ partha
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:14:10 EDT From: Calvin6S@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: FII demo petition Message-ID: <e5bfa7d.243d24a2@aol.com>
> I > personally would like to see these songs released. Is anyone interested in > getting a petition going to see if the band would put these songs on an EP > and make them available to the fan club?
I definitely want a crack at getting the studio quality FII unreleased demos, but signing a petition might be disrespectful to the band. I would phrase it as a "plea from the fans" more than a "petition". I'm sure Mike Portnoy is already well aware of the fan's desire for these songs. I'd just let Portnoy and the gang decide if they want to release the songs without pestering them. Maybe Portnoy and the guys want to release it through the fan club but the record company won't allow it. Maybe you should ask Portnoy himself if a "plea from the fans" would help the situation? If they are cool with it - I'd be glad to sign.
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:14:48 EDT From: Compadre32@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Marillion Message-ID: <f0855b6c.243d24c8@aol.com>
One quickie for yall.......what is the correct way to pronounce Marillion??,=20 i say it one way, but this guy at some music store got all pissy and said it=20 was pronounced in a different way. Just let me know if you get to it. ~=A7toner~
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:31:55 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: cd burners Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C960564980934B@messaging>
Well, I think you answered your own question... :)
Get a Yamaha - I just got one (4x4x16 - great for the money) - no frisbees yet!
Seriously, though, what software are you using?
<<<<< I am at a total loss as to why the Disc-at-Once option is corrupting the audio, even at 1x and 2x write speeds. FYI, I'm using a Acer (AOpen) 6x2x2 CDRW. >>>>>
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:06:08 EDT From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: DT In Korea??? Message-ID: <e02eebca.243d3ee0@aol.com>
Okay, I searched all over UACM, and for the life of me, I can't find any mention of DT playing in Korea in June. I did a search on the site and everything. Where can this info be found?
Thx... Matt T.
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:23:07 EDT From: Junesryche@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Queensryche Message-ID: <71329fe1.243d42db@aol.com>
In a message dated 4/7/99 2:07:18 PM Central Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< Oh well, I'll probably be crucified for this, and certainly it should be taken with a grain of salt -- the only albums I've heard are Mindcrime, Empire, and Promised Land (which seems to me like their best work among the three). -Andy Putman >>
I have to kinda laugh ... alot of the 'Ryche fans I've talked to have said Empire is the best or Mindcrime ... but never Promised Land ... does this mean we're biased??? ... LOL
Personally ... I like all their stuff ... different songs/albums for different reasons ... I think that's why I like them so much ... as with DT . Chroma Key ... Stabbing Westward ... (their show last night in Minneapolis KICKED *SS!!!) ... they all have varied tunes for varied moods .. so as far as favourites go ... it's a personal thing ... whatever you may like someone else with slightly different tastes may not ... it doesn't mean it's a bad or good album to the rest of us ... =)
My opinion for the guy wondering about Mindcrime ... if you haven't gone out and bought it yet ... GO GET IT!!! ... and if you're lucky enough the find the LIVECRIME version grab that as well ... the video will give you a good taste of the Queensryche experience ...
~~~ June
"I've been waiting for you ... Come in ..."
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 17:35:24 -0700 From: Chris Oates <coates@objectivity.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Burning, Learning to Wait for SLeep Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990407173522.00af9c30@objypop>
WFS/LTL:
>>I didn't see it mentioned, but having all kind of freaks on the jam, I'm >>sure I'm not the only one who noticed it ! :) >>On LtL, DT play the main theme of "Wait For Sleep" for a moment!
Just to be really precise: The whole of Wait for Sleep is based on part of Learning To Live. The story i heard is that they wanted to do a piano "intro" to LTL based on that part, and it mutated into a whole short song.
Burning CD's, ends being cut off:
How long are the source CDs? It's my understanding that CD-Rs do not hold as much data as a pressed CD. If the last tracks on each CD are being cut off, maybe you're out of room?
~Chris
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:53:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Marillion Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990407215211.1098A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Wed, 7 Apr 1999 Compadre32@aol.com wrote:
> One quickie for yall.......what is the correct way to pronounce Marillion??,=20 > i say it one way, but this guy at some music store got all pissy and said it=20 > was pronounced in a different way. Just let me know if you get to it.
I would pronounce this word as "muh-RILL-yun". That seems to me the most obvious and grammatically-sensical way to pronounce it.
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:14:34 -0400 From: "Newtz Brian J." <NEWTZBJ1@GCC.EDU> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: queensryche Message-ID: <3286640012DED211B1F700805F85C15E1C075C@mail.gcc.edu>
Ok...I've heard a couple of posts now about Queensryche's "Operation Mindcrime" and about how it is this awesome cd and everything, and I just have to say....what the hell are you people smoking??????? I made the mistake of buying it after hearing all you people rant and rave about it, and I have to say that it is the biggest waste of 10 dollars that I've ever spent. This is just a bunch of rehashed cock rock with Eddie Van Halen wannabe's on guitar. And the songs themself aren't anything special at all. And my lord...his singing made me cringe after listening for about 30 seconds. I love DT and the stuff they put out, and to even compare DT with Queensryche is a slap in the face to DT. If I could rename the cd I would call it "Operation Mindcrap."
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:01:13 -0500 From: Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Terry Bozzio Message-ID: <l03130300b331c9a2265f@[128.83.177.99]>
> I would recommend getting any of his "Soloing Over Ostinatos" videos. > Watching one of these (especially if you're a drummer) is > positively disheartening. The guy has taken limb independence > to an entirely untouched plateau.
yeah... I've seen him in person twice now, once at a clinic in San Antonio, and then a few weeks ago at South by Southwest here in Austin. I'm a guitarist, not a drummer, but he still makes me want to give up music 'cause he's so far ahead of everybody else. I posted last year after the clinic that there is no drummer that can touch him, and I still think that. For a while, NO drumming impressed me, Bozzio was so incredible. I think his best work in a band context is Black Light Syndrome. Definitely check that out. I personally like it more than LTE (and all you fuckers that disagree with me can rot in HELL! ;) oooohhhh... I just remembered a cool rumor I heard a while back. I heard Bozzio was going to do another BLS/LTE-type project with Tony Levin and Mike Kennealy (sp?), Zappa's stunt guitarist in the late 80's. that would kick ass!
Jim Shields Guitar/Vocals Room 213 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Spread before you is your soul / So Forever hold the dream within our hearts Through Nature's inflexible grace, I'm learning to live. Dream Theater "Learning to Live" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:13:01 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: petition / 'Ryche prog? Message-ID: <648f0d93.243d86cd@aol.com>
A petition to get unreleased songs would be a slap in DT's collective face. A petition to the label to get them in the studio is one thing, but after the band has stated many times that they don't plan on officially releasing demos, and then for the fans to turn around and say `that's not good enough` after all they've done for us. how disrespectful is that? so to anyone who isn't satisfied until they release these demos...tough shit. they're on bootlegs, trade for them like every other fan.
>< I've never understood why Queensryche is considered a "progressive" metal band. It all goes back to the "progressive" definition. My definition includes weird time sigs, long songs, nonstandard song structure (not usually verse-chorus-verse-chorus-etc), and long instrumentals. QR doesn't really fill any of these. They have generally short songs, are generally in 4, almost always use verse-chorus-verse-etc, and have very few instrumental passages other than what you'd see in any other song with a guitar solo. ><
Progressive music doesn't have to be all of that. To me, there's a difference between "prog metal" and progressive. "Prog metal" is more of a genre where the music is similar and the progressiveness is blatant with the odd time sigs and the virtuosity and such. When I think of that, I think of DT, Symphony X, Rush, etc. But bands can still be progressive and not have that blatant, typical "prog metal" sound. When I think of this, I think of a Queensryche, a Savatage, a Fates Warning, where the music can contain odd time sigs, unusual structures, and longevity, but it doesn't have to be constricted to those ideas. It's a subtle progressiveness, but it's in there. I consider Queensryche progressive rock.
Jim
Fleetwood Mac: The Dance
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