YTSEJAM Digest 4817
Today's Topics:
1) My First DT Experience
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
2) Re: My First DT Experience
by Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com>
3) Tower's Listening Station, random memories
by Rachel Goldenberg <wisha@li.net>
4) First DT experience
by "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk>
5) Aw eit den (In your best "Sling Blade" voice)
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4816
by "JOSKOE" <joskoe@rendo.dekooi.nl>
7) Recommendation Wanted
by "Bernard, Chris" <CBernard@pulaskifurniture.com>
8) Happy birthday Mike Portnoy
by Bandit@siscor.bibnal.edu.ar
9) My DT experience
by Ryan Park <rpark@space-dye.com>
10) Re: Recommendation Wanted
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
11) Artistic appearance...
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
12) Jack Starr & Chris Collins
by "Harry D' Amour" <jaff@ath.forthnet.gr>
13) ptacek told me to
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
14) oh forgot
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
15) re: re: Ice Age, One, and DEREK TOUR DATE:
by RChiare954@aol.com
16) Re: Recommendation Wanted
by "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4816
by Fernando Rauber <ferer@conex.com.br>
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:40:05 -0400
From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: My First DT Experience
Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC8F4C28@hamsxha2.hanscom.af.mil>
How did I get into them?
Yul Brenner came to me in a dream, surrounded by a glowing yellow light (not
unlike the color of urine), and admonished me to stop smoking. Standing
there, bathed in his golden glow, in his Persian silks, he said to me, "You
really should stop that shit, kiddo. It'll kill you. Hell, look at my
friggin' head!" Then he stood there and gave me that glare that he used to
give, you know, the one that'd curdle milk and make all his concubine's kids
run screaming for their very lives? Yeah, that one. And the background music
happened to be "Lie."
So I'm still smoking.
Nicholas Giannotti x6745
Joint STARS Contracts
giannottin@hanscom.af.mil
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Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax
materiam possit materiari?
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:51:36 -0400
From: Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: My First DT Experience
Message-ID: <371B6D28.25CE4072@frontierlogic.com>
Doesn't this thread sorta fall into the same lines as "My Top ten
favorite dt songs:"????
-mojo
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:36:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rachel Goldenberg <wisha@li.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Tower's Listening Station, random memories
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.990419140314.5355A-100000@linet01>
After almost Passing Over Josh Rasiel's post, but reading it anyway, I
thought I'd reminisce. I remember being home for October break after Awake
was released and buying it. I remember changing the process name on the
vax system to "I got Awake Over Da Break" and only a few ppl. understood.
I remember this was _just_ before I joined the jam. I wonder if the
Vincent- Soulstlr guy who was friends with Chad - Rainbird from bitnet
masrelay (pre-irc) is still on the list. They were the ones who told me to
join the list (you can blame them if you want :)... I had I&W and had no
idea there was an album before it, or that Awake was being written, etc...
Anyway, fast forward a bit and I was back home on LI for winter break or
something.. and I always used to check the listening stations, cause
sometimes they had stuff to check out.. so I saw they had Awake and I
listened and listened, and was happy, cause my cd player was back at
school. I got home kind of late that night and everyone was wondering what
happened to me. It was fun. That doesn't answer the question of how I
first found DT,either you've heard my story before, or e-mail me and I'll
tell you, or check out my web page (though outdated) at www.li.net/~wisha
Sorry this post is a little incoherent. Going to see NEIL YOUNG tonight
(@MSG) (tonight's the night) and I'm quite happy. If anyone else is going,
let me know, or find me or something- gonna be good. Gotta go back to
work....
-Rachel
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:34:58 +0200
From: "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk>
To: "The Ytsejam Mailinglist" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: First DT experience
Message-ID: <000201be8a97$2d213b80$93ca8e81@flskesteg>
I know that we've already had far too many of these...but what the hell?
I was at a friend's playing computer, and he put on Awake in the background.
Without knowing, I started airdrumming to Erotomania...which nearly broke my
arms :) Anyway, I just sort of thought to myself to remember to ask my
friend what the music was and then went back to the computer. Then, all of a
sudden, my friend asked all of us (we were 6-8 guys playing network) to be
quiet and listen to the JP's guitar-solo (the one at 5:05-5:25) and then i
was sold!
I also had a more recent experience with DT...wanna hear??? Sure you do!
My mom just told me that she had just washed my DT-T-shirt, but she couldn't
remember the name (Dreamtheater) so she went
MOM: "I just washed your ...whatsit...Megadeth-T-Shirt"
ME: "It's Dreamtheater, mom"
MOM: "Sure...Dreamtheater...Megadeth...what's the difference anyway?"
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?!?!?!?!? If she wasn't my mom, i don't know what i'd
have done...
well...that's it. Have fun now.
Simon Krogh
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:06:05 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Aw eit den (In your best "Sling Blade" voice)
Message-ID: <371B7E9D.ED92D497@isd.net>
Neil Gallop wrote:
>Who said cars (or automobiles to our freinds across the pond)
> have no business being on the Jam? Rubbish. Never heard of
> Pantera and Vanden Plas? Great cars and great bands. If my
Let us not forget the band known as "The Cars" They had
cool looking MOPARS on more than one album cover.
(Candy-O and Heartbeat City)
Sorry, I had to do that.
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Bruce,
I DO UNDERSTAND your point. I just thought the delivery was tacky.
If it had looked like this:
you don't like PINK FLOYD?
you don't like RUSH?
you don't like ELTON JOHN?
you don't like TORI AMOS?
You'd have never heard a word from me.
There are many people that don't like the the above artists,
But not because they completely suck. Incidentally, I like all of them.
*** The above "suck" comment was a opinion by the author ***
*** As most of us know, opinions are like assholes ***
*** I can shamelessly admit to possessing both in surplus ***
Next week - - - The Asshole: an in depth look
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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Shit! Now I need to change that "G" to a "c"
^ ^
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:20:23 +0200
From: "JOSKOE" <joskoe@rendo.dekooi.nl>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4816
Message-ID: <000301be8a99$ad7c81c0$8e643dc3@joskoe>
hoi
als je zin hebt om eens te kijken en eventueel mee te doen dan moet je
morgenavond om half 8 savonds bij sportschool jurriens zijn(catharinastraat)
groeten van jossie
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:11:14 -0400
From: "Bernard, Chris" <CBernard@pulaskifurniture.com>
To: "'ytsejam@axnet.net'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Recommendation Wanted
Message-ID: <18DB7F3D6363D1119B080060083FF42CC4E502@PFC_EXCH01>
Howdy, y'all...
i'd like to take a minute and pick the collective brain that is "The Jam"
i've decided to expand my CD collection and include some
instrumental(preferably solo), acoustic guitar works. i'd like some
recommendations, please. Style isn't necessarily important -- Classical,
Spanish/Flamenco, etc... doesn't matter at this point, i wanna try it all.
:-) -- feeling and composition are.
If any of have favorites, please let me know.
Thanks in advance!!!
NP: Ride Of The Valkyries - Wagner
CHRIS
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"No aliens, psychopaths, or MTV hosts
Scares me like Vampires, Mummies, and the Holy Ghost."
Jimmy Buffett
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Date: 19 Apr 1999 09:11:36 GMT -0300
From: Bandit@siscor.bibnal.edu.ar
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Happy birthday Mike Portnoy
Message-ID: <199904191927.MAA29922@knight.axnet.net>
Remember Tomorrow is Mr. Portnoy Birthday!!
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:32:50 -0400
From: Ryan Park <rpark@space-dye.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: My DT experience
Message-ID: <4.2.0.32.19990419152240.00962390@pluto.he.net>
OK, since we're ALL talking about it...
A couple of friends of mine got me into Rush in spring 1994. I became a
HUGE Rush fan and bought nearly 20 albums over the summer. (Kinda
expensive for a high school student with no big income!) I also subscribed
to The National Midnight Star, the Rush Internet mailing list. (Do y'all
need the description? I bet 80% of you are subscribed to TNMS now...)
Anyway, in spring 1995, I had read a lot about a lot of different bands,
from Queensryche to Pink Floyd to Dream Theater. I was on vacation in San
Diego and saw two books of sheet music for DT music. (I believe they were
Awake and I&W, and piano/vocal sheet music as opposed to tab, but everyone
tells me that a published piano/vocal score doesn't exist <g>.) The cover
art looked kinda cool, as did the song titles, and I figured I should pick
up the CD someday. A few weeks later, I found Awake at a local Best Buy,
and bought it as a spur-of-the-moment purchase.
I put it on in the background, caught the drum intro to 6:00, and thought,
"These guys are pretty cool!" Within a week, I couldn't put the CD
down. I remember long car trips that year where I would listen to Awake on
repeat; I remember taking the CD to school and listening throughout study
halls (and classes? <g>) To this day, Awake is my favorite CD in my 150+
disc collection. It's SO disheartening to see my favorite CD in the $3.99
bin at record stores, but I suppose that's what I get for being a progrock fan!
Speaking of the discount bins: Found two copies of Rudess-Morgenstein
Project for $5.99, a few copies of King's X "Dogman" for $2.99, and one of
their self-titled album for $3.99, at the local Tower
Records. Unfortunately, they were all cut-outs. The notch cut out of the
case indicates that the artist gets NO money for the CD, correct? The
discs were reported as "destroyed" to the artist, correct?
I bought two King's X discs to try to convert some of my friends. (My goal
is to get a couple of friends to go out and purchase more of their albums,
therefore using the cut-out CD as a "marketing" item.) If the artists DO
in fact receive royalties, I'll try to pick up the RPM discs for any of you
that want them. Otherwise, buy a legit copy so that Jordan & Rod can earn
*something* this year... :)
Ryan
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:36:35 -0400
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Recommendation Wanted
Message-ID: <371B85C3.965FE7F8@yunque.net>
"Bernard, Chris" wrote:
> Howdy, y'all...
>
> i've decided to expand my CD collection and include some
> instrumental(preferably solo), acoustic guitar works. i'd like some
Strunz & Farah live ... or The Guitar trio - Dimeola, DeLucia and
Mclaughlin, or Friday night in san francisco from said trio..
--
Carlos A. Alfaro
Internet Solutions Inc.
mailto:prog@yunque.net/ICQ # 1254229
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:40:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Artistic appearance...
Message-ID: <19990419194013.11452.rocketmail@web126.yahoomail.com>
Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> wrote:
> Unlike Fates Warning, "Vanilla" is an artist whose
popularity is (was)
> 99% because of his looks/image, and marketing
(making young boys want
> Once again, unlike FW, Britney is an artist whose
popularity is a
> result of her looks and image. IF she was an
AVERAGE LOOKING person (like the
> guys in most rock groups, for example), she wouldn't
have sold shit for
> albums.
This brings to mind an interesting point... Does
looks/image really effect the music? I don't have the
faintest idea what Britney's music sounds like, but
since she's supposedly so attractive, some people
accuse her of being only a pretty face. But what if
she wasn't so attractive? It's quite possible that she
could release the same music, and be taken much more
seriously, just because she wasn't attractive. It's an
ironic paradox. (But I'm not saying that Britney IS
good, I've never heard her.)
Let's just suppose that Aretha Franklin and Shania
Twain both have music that is equal in artistic value.
They both had problems/benefits with their careers
based on their appearence (but for opposite reasons).
I guess the real test is time. If music can be
respected years after the marketing, hype, trend and
looks of the artist are gone, then it must have been
good music.
just rambling, BH
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:25:13 +0300
From: "Harry D' Amour" <jaff@ath.forthnet.gr>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Jack Starr & Chris Collins
Message-ID: <199904192024.XAA04938@nefeli.forthnet.gr>
This snippet's from Metal Invader magazine (Greece):
"Jack Starr, ex-Virgin Steele guitarist, is now releasing the "Conspiratos
Santos" EP. Vocalist is Chris Collins (Majesty)." Any of you heard
anything else about this?
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:04:21 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: ptacek told me to
Message-ID: <19990419210421.27416.qmail@hotmail.com>
heard PMU on the radio, liked it but wasn't overwhelmed
heard TTT, was overwhelmed
friend bought album after hearing PMU thinking wow new metallica like
band
it wasn't, he didn't like it that much after all
he dubbed me a copy of I&W
few months later, he gave up on DT, and sold me the disc, approx. 4
years before i got a CD player of my own
end of the story of my beginning to like DT
partha
(maybe chris is right...i should save this and parade it out again
next year)
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:06:35 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: oh forgot
Message-ID: <19990419210635.15508.qmail@hotmail.com>
am wearing original ytsejam shirt today
got a comment :)
something along the lines of, "petrucci is amazing"
then the bastard went and beat me 6 games to one in ping pong
i think i was just stunned to get a positive and unsolicited comment
about Dream Theater :)
partha
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:17:57 EDT
From: RChiare954@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re: re: Ice Age, One, and DEREK TOUR DATE:
Message-ID: <ab20e2a.244cf785@aol.com>
I was at the Ice Age show on last Saturday and I'm glad to see others on this
mailing list were there as well. Well, Ice Age was awesome! I was
completely blown away from the first song on. Never was there a dull moment
throughout their flawless performance. As stated before, they opened with
Perpetual Child(formally known as The Great Divide), great song! They also
played Sleepwalker(the new sound clip just added to their website), an
incredible instrumental entitled Spare Chicken Parts, the epic song Ice Age
and a few other songs as well. Josh Pincus was just amazing as he sang and
played his busy keyboards riffs and solos. Jimmy Pappas is IMO the "next"
guitarist to watch for. The rhythm section is also just outstanding and we
were treated to a drum solo that even had a few brothers in the audience
dancing. Bottom line GREAT SHOW and I cant wait till the next one!
Later,
Ricky C!
<< Date: 18 Apr 99 22:00:11 -0500
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re: Ice Age, One, and DEREK TOUR DATE:
Message-ID: <199904190159.SAA09051@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
Hello everyone,
Since my friend Ytsejim is so bad at writing reviews, here's my review of
the Ice Age show. It was nice to see a Magna Carta band that actually plays
live gigs. The only problem was that the sound in the venue sucked. You
couldn't hear the guitar at all, even if you were on the guitarist's side.
Even with those problems, Ice Age kicked major ass. They opened with "The
Great Divide," the song that's on the Powermad compilation. Their music is
definitely heavily influenced by DT, especially the keyboard and guitar. The
drummer uses just one bass drum but has the peddle for the double bass effect
(sorry, I ain't a musician, so I don't know what it's called). The opening
song impressed me as did the instrumental they played a few songs later.
Within the instrumental (I do not know any more song titles) came a kick ass
drum solo that would rival MP's or even Carl Palmer's (or for a more obscure
drummer, Rich Behrends from Mastermind, who blew me away with his solo at
Powermad). The!
!
!
vocalist, who does double duty on keyboards and is a very busy man
throughout the show, sounds just like Dennis DeYoung from Styx.
The opening band for the show was pretty interesting. It was called the Jim
Walsh Band (or something like that) and was comprised of vocals, two acoustic
guitarists, a really cute female bassist and a drummer who seemed to be out
of place and would probably fit in better in a heavy metal band. The double
acoustic and no electric set up provided some interesting sounds, but all of
the songs sounded the same to me.
Like Jim, I received the promo disc from One, and I was very impressed also.
As a matter of fact, I think I've listened to the tape about 10 times already.
Take care,
Adam Perkowsky
(a.k.a. Perk -- Was that a good review, Ytsejim?)
> ** Original Subject: YTSEJAM digest 4814
> ** Original Sender: ytsejam@ax.com
> ** Original Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 09:14:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: James Lutz <ytsejim@optonline.net>
> To: ytsejam@axnet.net
> Subject: Ice Age, One, and DEREK TOUR DATE!
> Message-ID: <3719FB45.2EDEC335@optonline.net>
>
>
> Saw the Ice Age show in NY yesterday at the VooDoo Lounge.
> The band was phenomenal! I had seen this band at the last
> powermad but did not remember what they had sounded like.
> It's kind of hard to remember all 20 or so bands in 3 days.
> They had a good sound, but the guitars were a little low
> in the mix, but that is not out of the ordinary for the
> voodoo lounge. Definately gonna pick up their new album
> on Magna Carta on June 1st. They are definatley influenced
> by Dream Theater. So any DT fans should check them out!
>
> http://www.ice-age.com/
>
> At the show, I was handed a tape of a band called 'One'.
> I'm listening to the tape as we speak, and I do have to
> say, I am VERY impressed! I hear lots of Queensryche in
> their music with a little Dream Theater thrown in.
>
> http://www.one-music.com/
>
> I'm gonna ask both bands if i can put up an MP3 of their
> songs up on my server so you guys can check em out.
>
> LAST BUT NOT LEAST!
> As i was walking into the club, I saw a strange sign posted
> on the wall. Get this :
>
> April 29th at the Voodoo Lounge
> Gilby Clarke (Ex-Guns n' Roses)
> Eric Singer (Ex-Kiss)
> Derek Sherinian (Ex-Dream Theater)
>
> Sounds like a pretty ass kickin' night, On my birthday no less :)
> Check out the bands! and if someone else saw the show
> cough*perk*cough
> Please post a review! Because my reviews suck :)
> take care
> ~YtseJim
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:37:12 -0400
From: "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Recommendation Wanted
Message-ID: <006c01be8aac$c9838400$0200005a@Kez>
-----Original Message-----
]From: Bernard, Chris <CBernard@pulaskifurniture.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Date: Monday, April 19, 1999 8:22 AM
Subject: Recommendation Wanted
>i'd like to take a minute and pick the collective brain that is "The Jam"
>i've decided to expand my CD collection and include some
>instrumental(preferably solo), acoustic guitar works.
>snip<
I would recommend a disc by Michael Schenker. It's called "Thank You". It's
all acoustic, nobody but Michael (though there are overdubs), and covers many
different styles and moods. Just ignore the speaking part at the end. I do.
:)
Also get anything with Al DiMeola. He's good.
Acousticly yours,
Kez
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:21:28 -0300
From: Fernando Rauber <ferer@conex.com.br>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4816
Message-ID: <371BAC67.50B80353@conex.com.br>
> On Apr 18 1999, Fernando Rauber wrote:
> >
> > OK, here is mine: In 1998, I started to like metal bands such as
> > Angra, Metallica, Iron Maiden, etc. Them I saw a post by Rogerio
> > Brito on RBT, the biggest brazilian message network on a BBS about
> > some of his favorite bands. One of them was Dream Theater :).
>
> I'm always glad to help. :-)
Also, after reading so many messages you posted to the ytse-br mailing list
about Gentle Giant, I finally bought Free Hand and I loved it :). One of my
top 10 discs ever, and also one of Jordan Rudess's top 5!
--
[]s Fernando Rauber
ICQ: 2281311
http://fast.to/frmp
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