YTSEJAM Digest 4822
Today's Topics:
1) RE: Ryche EP/Dead Puppies
by "Bernard, Chris" <CBernard@pulaskifurniture.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4821
by "Todd Fostvedt" <tfostvedt@csu.org>
3) Girls to listen to the music by. Absolutely NDTC.
by "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
4) Re: drum triggers
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
5) Re: Girls to listen to the music by. Absolutely NDTC.
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
6) bass drum trigger
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
7) Good Looks, DT Playing shit equipment
by David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
8) Long Beach Grand Prix
by Brian Kirk <bkirk@dendrite.net>
9) [NDTC] CDnow discount coupons, anyone?
by "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl>
10) Re: drum triggers
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
11) tiles, japanese release...need a clue
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
12) Another Mike Portnoy clinic
by HeiNouSX@aol.com
13) Re: drum triggers
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
14) admission price for portnoy/petrucci clinics
by jeff hochberg <jeff@pajamazon.com>
15) blah
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
16) gracias, danke schon, arigato, grazie, thanks, etc.....
by Portnoy420@aol.com
17)
by "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
18) ISN'T IT TIME YOU GOT INTO SOMETHING BIG, REALLY BIG?! (uce)
by info99@nettaxi.com
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:44:54 -0400
From: "Bernard, Chris" <CBernard@pulaskifurniture.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: RE: Ryche EP/Dead Puppies
Message-ID: <18DB7F3D6363D1119B080060083FF42CC4E507@PFC_EXCH01>
Hello, jammers...
[partha]>Was it re-released at that time or something?<
[bogie]>The QR EP was released on CD after Mindcrime was released on CD.<
Actually, that was the third release of the EP. It was first released
independently on their own "206 records" label. EMI signed the band and
re-released the EP. Then, after the popularity of O:M, EMI re-re-released
the EP, this time adding the track "Prophecy" (which was recorded during the
Rage For Order sessions).
Class Dismissed.....
[Scott]>Scott points out that dead puppies aren't much fun. (OK, who caught
that referrence...)<
Me!!! Gosh, i forget the artist, but i had this song on a tape i made off of
the Dr. Demento show (years and years and years ago!!!)
"They don't come/when you call.
They don't chase/(squirrels?) at all.
Dead puppies (dead dead dead) Dead puppies
Dead puppies aren't much fun."
Thanks for the memories, Scott!!!
Be good, y'all...
NP: ELO - Eldorado
CHRIS
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"No aliens, psychopaths, or MTV hosts
Scares me like Vampires, Mummies, and the Holy Ghost."
Jimmy Buffett
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:46:50 -0600
From: "Todd Fostvedt" <tfostvedt@csu.org>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4821
Message-ID: <8725675A.0051CC34.00@nd-mta01.csu.org>
>From: "William Kimbril" <rush1@thedoghousemail.com>
>
>"...if you choose not to decide you still havn't made a choice."
Is this yours or Peart's? If it Peart's it's wrong...
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:04:55 GMT
From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
To: "Caught In a Jam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Girls to listen to the music by. Absolutely NDTC.
Message-ID: <4C0407D95@sdk1.derby.ac.uk>
> Just got my hands on the Maiden England video.....notice that Steve
> Harris had direction/production credits on there.....kinda wish that
> when he was doing the production work on it, he'd filtered out all the
> noises that he made striking his bass strings.....
>
> rather annoying, that
Yeah, but then again: if it didn't have that clunky rattle, it just
wouldn't be Steve Harris, would it? It's be like asking James to cut
out all the "Cwmbran, pweeple!!" stuff live.
> Subject: irish chicks are hot
Absolutely seconded. No argument.
> Yeah...Minnie's cute, even though she has a fat chin.
This was clearly a typo, what he meant to say was "Minnie's cute,
especially that cute chin".
> and large, they are lean and usually good looking. How many fat rock
> stars are there? There's a few, but unfortunately, just a few. You have
Dino Cazares, the 2nd best 7-stringer about? Besides, he's real cute
too.
> isn't even singing. what a fucking farce. See, fat people get screwed,
> there's no two ways about it. JFK had an affair with Marilyn Monroe, and
> people don't seem to give a rat's ass. But go ahead and have an affair
> with a fat girl, and all hell breaks loose. And don't even get me
Uh-huh. First, Marilyn Monroe was NOT fat. That's what women are
supposed to be built like, biologically speaking. It's just that Anorexia
has been en vogue for the last fifty-or-so years; and so we've come
to view women with normal figures (e.g. Driver, Winslet, Monroe) as
fat, whilst scrawny little bitches you'd be afraid of breaking (Moss,
most people on US TV) are viewed as normal - despite the fact that
they're unhealthily thin.
> much better in the work place, particularely in our 20's and 30's. Later
> on, when nobody's horny anymore, it matters slightly less. Plus a lot
BZZT, error 2. You'll find that one of the less-welcome side-effects
of shedding pounds is that - in women at least - it actually reduces
their libido, even more so than being OVERweight.
Anyone at all interested in this should read Naomi Wolfe's excellent
"The Beauty Myth".
> drum sound, listen to the 5-5-7-5-7-5-5-7 part of Metropolis, all of those
Sorry, the which bit?
> like her music, that one song is catchy as hell, even though it's gay as
> shit....:) Besides, seeing her bounce around in a Catholic school uniform
<sigh>...
> would be done to her...hehe(I hear she got breast implants too, what a
Cosmetic surgery is evil and should be banned unless medically
required. Which it almost never is.
> >we're being fair, I'd hardly call DT's members "average" looking -
> >c'mon, JP, MP and KJLB stand head-and-shoulders above most guys
> >in the moist-gusset stakes.
>
> I have to ask what in the hell the "moist-gusset stakes" means.
Well, son...It's time for the birds and the bees talk. Women, right?
Well...Oh fuck it, I can't be bothered. Look, don't worry; you'll
understand when you're a little older.
Si
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:37:26 -0500
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: drum triggers
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990421153726.006f9284@pi-r-squared.com>
At 09:22 PM 4/20/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>
>Vampyrized@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Portnoy explained at a drum clinic that the trigger use on I&W was very much
>> to his disliking. For evidence of what negative affects triggers have on the
>> drum sound, listen to the 5-5-7-5-7-5-5-7 part of Metropolis, all of those
>> snare hits were played as ghost notes when he recorded it.
>>
>> -Nick
>
> could someone please explain to a non-drummer what the fuck is a ghost
note?
When doing a rhythm in most music, there is a rhythmic pattern. In some
music, especially, prog the emphasis is not on a 1 2 3 4 feel. No ba ba ba
ba... but maybe ba ba BA (sorry tryin to talk percussion here). Anyway,
percussion defines whatever feel the rhythm is going to have, and when
you're a percussionist you rely heavy on synchopation. Well instead of just
hitting the emphasised beats (like you would do on a cowbell, but on a drum
set that's no fun) they often add inner beats and fills. These are added
within a rhythm, usually between hi hat hits but not always, and are tapped
lightly on the snare or another drum. These lightly played inner beats are
called ghost notes. Ghosting can also be what in percussion is known as a
ruff. A ruff is a small beat of a roll before a note (you let only one hand
bounce the stick) which is provided as a lead in for the note. Ex: brrRAP
I hope that made some sense, but some how I doubt it. The main emphasis here
is that a good ghost note is soft and subtle (something I REALLY need to
work on... on drumset at least)
Palpatine
Co Founder of Pi-R-Squared productions: www.pi-r-squared.com
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"What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
"Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage:
Somewhere in time
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:26:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Girls to listen to the music by. Absolutely NDTC.
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990421112307.20411A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Simon John Dodd wrote:
> > what a fucking farce. See, fat people get screwed, there's no two ways
> > about it. JFK had an affair with Marilyn Monroe, and people don't seem
> > to give a rat's ass. But go ahead and have an affair with a fat girl,
> > and all hell breaks loose.
>
> Uh-huh. First, Marilyn Monroe was NOT fat. That's what women are
> supposed to be built like, biologically speaking. It's just that
> Anorexia has been en vogue for the last fifty-or-so years; and so we've
> come to view women with normal figures (e.g. Driver, Winslet, Monroe) as
> fat, whilst scrawny little bitches you'd be afraid of breaking (Moss,
> most people on US TV) are viewed as normal - despite the fact that
> they're unhealthily thin.
Hmm. I somehow think that he wasn't referring to Marilyn Monroe being fat
(which, you're right, she isn't), but rather to the whole Clinton scandal.
If you'll remember, JFK's affair didn't cause nearly the problems that
Clinton's did - and understandably so! I mean, the least ol' Billy coulda
done was to have gotten blown by somebody who's GOOD looking. If you're
gonna use the office for your benefit, at least make it look like you're
doing it whole-hog.
I mean, hey, what does it say to the rest of the world when the leader of
the free world can't get somebody cute?
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mentally ill. Check three friends. If they're OK,
you're it.
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:54:10 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: bass drum trigger
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649809379@messaging>
<<<
And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the bass drum was also sampled
throughout I&W, too. Haven't seen mention of that anywhere.
>>>
I think this is more 'sound' logic than triggering the snare. For the most
part (not always, but definitely more often than the snare) bass drums are
usually played at a *nearly* constant volume. Actually, it is my experience
that sometimes it makes the performance sound better if you're like me and
you botch double kicks with any frequency (one is softer than the rest of
them). That way, since they're all the same volume, you don't get that
uneven *quality*...
David Dixon, MCP
Consultant
E-Commerce & Internet Technology Solutions
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
david@iisweb.com
ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:12:19 -0400
From: David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Good Looks, DT Playing shit equipment
Message-ID: <199904211212_MC2-72C5-54AE@compuserve.com>
The thing with the oh he/she's good looking so will sell records is
that the damm bastards at in the music bis get to tell everyone what
good looking is, as well as what good music is, and the poor under
17's don't question it.
After watching the 5YiaLT video my friend an I started joking about
what DT would sound like on old shitty equipment, so the challenge is
DT come round my house and get to play all the crap equipment we've
got here, Old Bob the Bass, nasty 5 string guitar, GEN ???000 keyboard
(makes good wind noise), and old 4 piece drum kit - and we get there
stuff.
Oh yhea for all the Brit's there's something about MP in the next
edition of Rhythm.
Dave
NP - with pencil.
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:30:29 -0500
From: Brian Kirk <bkirk@dendrite.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Long Beach Grand Prix
Message-ID: <371DFD25.BDCAE9EB@dendrite.net>
I'm sure you're all wondering what auto racing has to do with DT, the
'jam, or even music as a whole. As it turns out, it has nothing at all
to do with DT, a little bit to do with the 'jam, and quite a bit to do
with mind blowing guitar playing.
I just ran across a bit of news listing little tidbits of trivia about
the race. The last one on the list mentioned in an offhand fashion that
the Star Spangled Banner was played before the race by...
Jeff Beck AND Jennifer Batten.
I would trade my left kidney for a recording of that performance.
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:34:32 -0400 (CLT)
From: "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: [NDTC] CDnow discount coupons, anyone?
Message-ID: <199904211834.OAA17154@antonia.webhost.cl>
Hey all.
I'm about to buy several CDs on-line (SB's Day for Night, King Crimson,
some Christopher Franke, Tangerine Dream and more!) and I was wondering
wether any of you got a current CDnow discount coupon.
Thanks.
OBDTC: DT rules! I just wish they played down here in Chile.
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:44:34 -0700 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: drum triggers Message-ID: <371E54D1.9BE91A2F@caribe.net>
Brad Plumb wrote:
> I hope that made some sense, but some how I doubt it. The main emphasis here > is that a good ghost note is soft and subtle (something I REALLY need to > work on... on drumset at least)
Yes , thanks very much. I really understood what you meant. I guess i could compare that to a subtle note played without picking as opossed to picking everything with the same attack...i wonder how a drumroll wouldve sounded with the triggers.....triggering can be cool sometimes..for example..fear factory 's demanufacture...although those triggers are better sounding than the ones on I&W...and the drums on FF are not meant to be subtle at all :)
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:49:32 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: tiles, japanese release...need a clue Message-ID: <19990421194933.65011.qmail@hotmail.com>
I wanna buy the Japanese release of Tiles' new album, Presents of Mind, because it has a couple of bonus tracks....
anyone want to point me to a site selling that at a reasonable price?
best I've heard so far is 29.95 plus S&H from perris records....actually that's the only price i've heard so far....
partha
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:42:56 EDT From: HeiNouSX@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Another Mike Portnoy clinic Message-ID: <675a739d.244f9250@aol.com>
Hm, how about we throw in Philadelphia, PA. :)
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:20:44 -0500 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: drum triggers Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990421212044.00714974@pi-r-squared.com>
> > Yes , thanks very much. I really understood what you meant. I guess i could >compare that to a subtle note played without picking as opossed to picking >everything with the same attack...i wonder how a drumroll wouldve sounded with the >triggers.....triggering can be cool sometimes..for example..fear factory 's >demanufacture...although those triggers are better sounding than the ones on >I&W...and the drums on FF are not meant to be subtle at all :)
You can hear Portnoy do some quick rolls on PMU and on Metropolis (though most of them are ruff fills)
Palpatine Co Founder of Pi-R-Squared productions: www.pi-r-squared.com "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage: Somewhere in time
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:09:50 -0400 From: jeff hochberg <jeff@pajamazon.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: admission price for portnoy/petrucci clinics Message-ID: <371E3E9E.73580B7E@pajamazon.com>
just got off the phone with a guy at daddy's junky music here in albany, NY and was informed that admission to the portnoy/petrucci clinic on 5/18 is by ticket only. tix can be purchased for $15 at the store or by phone at 518-452-9431.
sorry if this has been discussed before, i just re-joined the list after a having been gone for a couple of months.
jeff
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:30:46 PDT From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: blah Message-ID: <19990421213049.99912.qmail@hotmail.com>
joshua rasiel whined: ><snip> >shawn lane. In that wizard of oz video for blues traveler, >they don't even show the fatty, they just show that skinny guy >dancing around. he isn't even singing. what a fucking farce. >See, fat people get screwed, there's no two ways about it. >JFK had an affair with Marilyn Monroe, and people don't seem >to give a rat's ass. But go ahead and have an affair with a >fat girl, and all hell breaks loose. And don't even get me >started on career success. Everybody knows that thin, pretty >people do much better in the work place, particularely in our ><snip>
josh is just bitter cause he requires assistance when it's necessary to roll over in bed or change his sheets.. josh is also responsible for keeping KFC in business.. without joshua our poltry market would lack the financial influx it needs to stay in compitition with heath food products.
inferno (Inferno wishes he was as large as josh)
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:14:05 EDT From: Portnoy420@aol.com To: Portnoy420@aol.com Subject: gracias, danke schon, arigato, grazie, thanks, etc..... Message-ID: <68d18e2b.244fa7ad@aol.com>
Sorry for the generic form letter, but I received sooooo many birthday greetings yesterday, that in order for me to answer them all, I'd have to delay the work on the new DT recording for about a month or so!!!
(I guess that is what happens when you give away your birthday in your email address!!!!)
Anyways, Thanks to all my friends & all the great fans who remembered my birthday yesterday!!!
I had a great day.... Spent the morning & afternoon with Marlene, Melody & Max (had to go to the mall to buy "A Bug's Life" for Melody!!)... and then spent the evening in the recording studio with the band continuing work on the latest Dream Theater CD.....(which is gonna blow you all AWAY!!!)
Well, back to work I gotta go....
Thanks again & c-ya'll soon,
Mike Portnoy
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:27:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com> To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Message-ID: <19990421222703.13038.rocketmail@web116.yahoomail.com>
> I don't know whether virtually every albulm by any band these days is > recorded with drum machines or not, but I was wondering whether I&W was > recorded with the use of a drum machine? Of all the DT albulms I've heard > (all of the albulms they've produced), I&W sounds most like it has a drum > machine. Nope, it's a live drummer, but the drums are triggered, which means when he hits a drum, a pre-programmed sample of a drum sound is played/recorded. That's why all the snare sounds the same. Or something like that. I know fuck all about drums. Trevor ------------------------------------
No triggers were used
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