YTSEJAM Digest 4821
Today's Topics:
1) speed metal Mr Sandman
by "Paul Dyer" <s347742@student.uq.edu.au>
2) Maiden Ryche Tales
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
3) Re: Maiden Ryche Tales
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4820
by Compadre32@aol.com
5) amorphis review, nightwish
by Conrad Chi <uchic00@umail.ucsb.edu>
6) irish chicks are hot
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
7) drum triggers
by Vampyrized@aol.com
8) okay, so I fucked up :)
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
9) Roland Drums
by "Scott Sturdivant" <scott@erotomania.org>
10) Re: drum triggers
by prog <prog@yunque.net>
11) more recommendations; Britney
by Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
12) Re: drum triggers
by JamesAhab@aol.com
13) Rhapsody, Nightwish and soundclips
by "William Kimbril" <rush1@thedoghousemail.com>
14) Catfight between DT and the Backstreet Boys? Yes please!
by "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
15) some elp/dtc
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4820
by "jason braswell" <funkbreath@hotmail.com>
17) Dynamic Samples...
by Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
18) Re: Roland Drums
by James Pepe <jpepe@typhoon.lightning.net>
19) Triggers
by "Jason Barden" <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:19:36 +1000
From: "Paul Dyer" <s347742@student.uq.edu.au>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: speed metal Mr Sandman
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Blind Guardian....
can be found on the disc Forgotten Tales as well as an EP I think....
Also a version of Surfin USA....the one thing I always thought the Beach =
Boys were lacking was double kicks!
Cheers
Paul D.
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:00:15 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Maiden Ryche Tales
Message-ID: <19990419190015.43359.qmail@hotmail.com>
Just got my hands on the Maiden England video.....notice that Steve
Harris had direction/production credits on there.....kinda wish that
when he was doing the production work on it, he'd filtered out all the
noises that he made striking his bass strings.....
rather annoying, that
about queensryche: am in a ryche listening kick these days, and last
week I listened to both Mindcrime and the EP (CDs here)....yesterday,
open up the mindcrime case, looking for a little Dr X action, and pop
in the days contained wherein, and.....Blinded? (it was on random)
how come I'd never noticed that my EP has a Mindcrime-era QR logo on
it? And why does it have a Mindcrime era logo on it? Was it
re-released at that time or something?
partha
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:43:53 -0400
From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Maiden Ryche Tales
Message-ID: <4.1.19990420224257.00a50710@po7.mit.edu>
The QR EP was released on CD after Mindcrime was released on CD.
Apparently, EMI was lazy and just decided to use the band's current
logo.
I can't complain though - there is a killer version of Prophecy on the
EP.
-Bogie
>about queensryche: am in a ryche listening kick these days, and last
>week I listened to both Mindcrime and the EP (CDs here)....yesterday,
>open up the mindcrime case, looking for a little Dr X action, and pop
>in the days contained wherein, and.....Blinded? (it was on random)
>
>how come I'd never noticed that my EP has a Mindcrime-era QR logo on
>it? And why does it have a Mindcrime era logo on it? Was it
>re-released at that time or something?
>
>partha
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:46:33 EDT
From: Compadre32@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4820
Message-ID: <4e180826.244e9609@aol.com>
For all those of you who are upset about this "image vs. playing ability"
debate, i got a good little story for you. I used to be a HUGE Pantera fan
and most of the girls i hung out with thought that the "loud and
unproductive" music i liked was horrible. I loved the shit, but the thing
was, she (my girlfriend) always used to tell me how she thought that pic on
my wall of "some guy" was one of the hottest guys shes ever seen. (She was
speaking of a poster of Philip Anselmo of Pantera i have on my wall--along
with the rest of the band of course) After i told her that he was
responsible for the "loud and unproductive" music she constantly ratted on,
she actually started to listen to the music and starting paying attention to
my reaction the their music. After that, I became a HUGE Dream Theater fan
and i havent seen her in a few weeks.....oh well......i guess life works like
that sometimes. :)
~Compadre32~
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:50:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@umail.ucsb.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: amorphis review, nightwish
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990420194317.28101A-100000@bergman.umail.ucsb.edu>
Picked up the new AMORPHIS cd, it is quite good. Of course
everyone needs to mention the change in their sound. It is quite
different. They sound a lot like new SENTENCED material now.
The bands pretty much did the same exact thing, changing from
an extreme sound to a calmer one. It has all clean singing
with only one song with harsh vocals. This is a solid album
with great melodies and a full sound. There is even a sitar.
There is a good article on NIGHTWISH in the new Terrorizer
with a review of a show and a nice picture of them live.
ICED EARTH and NEVERMORE will be at the Whiskey in HOllywood
May 13th? I think. Anyways it is a thursday and tickets are
only $10!!!!
It is not confirmed yet, but my brother's band might
record in Mark Zonder's studio with Vera producing
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:01:32 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: irish chicks are hot Message-ID: <371D3F8C.431084F7@bigfoot.com>
>(well, she's no Minnie >Diver, and she's not Irish, so it would be difficult). Besides, since
Yeah...Minnie's cute, even though she has a fat chin.
>c'mon, JP, MP and KJLB stand head-and-shoulders above most guys >in the moist-gusset stakes.
Yeah...James is good looking, even though he too has sort of a fat chin.
Who says rock band guys are ugly? Maybe they're not leading men, but by and large, they are lean and usually good looking. How many fat rock stars are there? There's a few, but unfortunately, just a few. You have meatloaf, the blues traverer guy(john popper? poppas?), aaaaand maybe shawn lane. In that wizard of oz video for blues traveler, they don't even show the fatty, they just show that skinny guy dancing around. he isn't even singing. what a fucking farce. See, fat people get screwed, there's no two ways about it. JFK had an affair with Marilyn Monroe, and people don't seem to give a rat's ass. But go ahead and have an affair with a fat girl, and all hell breaks loose. And don't even get me started on career success. Everybody knows that thin, pretty people do much better in the work place, particularely in our 20's and 30's. Later on, when nobody's horny anymore, it matters slightly less. Plus a lot more people gain weight with age, so that's an equalizer.
Anyway, I haven't really been following this britney spears/vanilla ice/apsog thing, because it's the SAME ARGUMENT we've seen on the list, over and over and over and over and over again! ah! ah! ahhhhhh!
I just wanted to point out that it may not be the *cause* of their success, but appearance is important and neccesary for pretty much any musician.
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel Churchill's description of history: "It's just one damn thing after another."
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:43:52 EDT From: Vampyrized@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: drum triggers Message-ID: <270e0360.244ea378@aol.com>
<< One of the things I'm always trying to show to non-percussionists is how accents and light flavor hits can REALLY spice up a rhythm (Just listen to Portnoy's drum solos... he sounds like a marching percussionist). Drum triggers take that away. On another note I'd really hate to hear what FII would have sounded like with those triggers, it relies too much on tone variation. >>
Portnoy explained at a drum clinic that the trigger use on I&W was very much to his disliking. For evidence of what negative affects triggers have on the drum sound, listen to the 5-5-7-5-7-5-5-7 part of Metropolis, all of those snare hits were played as ghost notes when he recorded it.
-Nick
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:00:22 -0400 From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: okay, so I fucked up :) Message-ID: <4.1.19990420234930.00957de0@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
> > phil! that "coffee can" is known as a piccolo snare, and it's absolutely > NOT triggered. the snare work on ACoS is IMO the most dynamic of any DT > recording. take another listen...
"Take another listen"? I've listened to the ACOS disc more than any other DT disc I own (Okay, so I have a really bad ear. :) ), and happen to love the "coffee can" snare sound. I just hear other people disparaging it frequently. And in my defense, I do remember reading here (the last time this discussion came up, about a year back) that the drums on ACOS *were* triggered. :)
Ya learn something new every day......
CyberDuke wrote: > > Artist name: Sean Malone > Album: Gordian Knot > [ Malone | Snelwar | Reinert ] > I thought the band name is GK? Am I right?
Yes, you are. Gordian Knot is the project name.
> > And where is Myung in the line-up? Or he is playing just on some albums?
Myung plays Stick on two tracks only.
> > What is GK actually, a real band or a project? I heard that Malone is > the main figure in it. But if the band is GK why Artist name is not GK?
Because somebody fucked up when they uploaded the track. :) GK was a just a pet project at first, but according to Malone's webpage, it worked out so well that they may do another disc just for the hell of it.
ta, Phil
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:14:19 -0400 From: "Scott Sturdivant" <scott@erotomania.org> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Roland Drums Message-ID: <000d01be8bad$6eea3b40$ca586acf@ckssrs.axiomnet.com>
Hey Korg is right on when he says that Roland V Drums are a blast. They certainly are great, but I'm not really sure about for recording. I guess I'm really a purist and find that electronics are cool for practicing when you need to be quiet and not keep the neighbors. After jamming for about 5 years everyday, I can tell you that my neighbors are just about ready to pay for my college education to get me out of the house :) Anyway, acoustic drums are a bitch to properly record, but wow do they ever sound so much better than electronics!
>KorgX3 fantasizes about napalm and puppies in toilet paper tubes.
Scott points out that dead puppies aren't much fun. (OK, who caught that referrence...cowgod, you don't count!)
Scott.
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:18:45 -0400 From: prog <prog@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: drum triggers Message-ID: <371D51A5.EF920475@yunque.net>
Vampyrized@aol.com wrote:
> Portnoy explained at a drum clinic that the trigger use on I&W was very much > to his disliking. For evidence of what negative affects triggers have on the > drum sound, listen to the 5-5-7-5-7-5-5-7 part of Metropolis, all of those > snare hits were played as ghost notes when he recorded it. > > -Nick
could someone please explain to a non-drummer what the fuck is a ghost note? --
Carlos A. Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:prog@yunque.net ICQ # 1254229
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:34:39 -0500 From: Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: more recommendations; Britney Message-ID: <4.1.19990420232119.009a3e30@mail.msy.bellsouth.net>
Well, for the guy who wanted DT style bands...I've gone and searched long and hard on that quest too. Starting with the 70's, some bands I found some good progressive stuff in is Emerson Lake and Palmer, Yes, and Kansas...going later on, metal type prog I really like Fates Warning. From what I'm hearing, Spock's Beard is also very good, as is Symphony X and Angra. Don't know much about any of those, but you may want to try those out.
As for the Britney thing, she's a girl that popped up to jump on the teeny-bopper bandwagon at the right time. She started opening up for N'Sync concerts over in Baton Rouge, and then all of a sudden she got big. Does her looks help??? Of course they do, but then any type of thing that is being targeted towards kiddies is going to be looks-oriented. Sure, the DT guys aren't bad looking, I wish I looked that good, I'd probably have chicks all over me, but since their audience is more adult, they don't have the little 13 year old girls swooning all over them. If they played the type of music that 13 year olds would want to hear, then they'd probably be huge, because their music and looks would appeal to that kiddie audience. As for adults who like Britney, well, as someone who really tried not to like her music, that one song is catchy as hell, even though it's gay as shit....:) Besides, seeing her bounce around in a Catholic school uniform in that video helped things out too...hehe...And for me, living here in New Orleans, it's also kind of intriguing knowing she's from South Louisiana too, and one day I could run into her somewhere, and oh the things that would be done to her...hehe(I hear she got breast implants too, what a surprise...heh) Oh well, enough of being oversexed about Britney, back to listening to some Chicago....:)
np: Chicago "Chicago VII"
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:30:09 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: drum triggers Message-ID: <333717ab.244ebc61@aol.com>
>< could someone please explain to a non-drummer what the fuck is a ghost note? ><
A note played very lightly. Sort of a tap.
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:30:46 -0800 From: "William Kimbril" <rush1@thedoghousemail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Rhapsody, Nightwish and soundclips Message-ID: <HDHBFGLJIMDCAAAA@shared2-mail.whowhere.com>
Hello All,
Iv'e been checking out a website for the Italian band Rhapsody. Has anyone heard their music? General impression? Any virtuoso's? What's a good album to start with?
With all the great comments on Nightwish I am just going to have to check 'em out. Where can I find a website? I havn't been able to find their cds at the local shop, or at CDNow and Amazon. Where can I buy them at?
Also does anyone know where I can find some Real Audio clips of the above two bands?
Thanks for any info!
Joshua
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:31:42 GMT From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk> To: "Caught In a Jam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Catfight between DT and the Backstreet Boys? Yes please! Message-ID: <32CE2A43DD@sdk1.derby.ac.uk>
>> we're being fair, I'd hardly call DT's members "average" looking - >> c'mon, JP, MP and KJLB stand head-and-shoulders above most guys >> in the moist-gusset stakes. > >Additionally, many females find Ray Alder of Fates Warning >attractive, but I doubt that's what sells the relatively minute >quantities of FW discs.
Maybe I'm getting the wrong impression here (if so, sorry!), but I think you've missed the point. I'm just saying that good looks won't sell records alone - it's all down to MARKETING. No-one's going to pretend that any of the Backstreet Boys are better looking than any of DT; and yet BB sell more records than DT, because of their looks. Why? Because they're marketed on their looks, whilst DT are marketed on their music. Derek Sherinian may be the sexiest man walking this planet right now, but that still won't get "Planet X" to number 1.
Si
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 03:44:21 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: some elp/dtc Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F3FFA@ms.kallback.com>
FYI, some of our boys are on the new Magna Carta tribute cd, Encores, Legends & Paradox-A Tribute to the Music of ELP.
Karn Evil 9-Jordan Rudess A Time and a Place-James LaBrie Hoedown-Jordan Rudess The Sheriff-Mike Portnoy The Endless Enigma-Mike Portnoy Tarkus-James LaBrie and Derek Sherinian
Trent Gardner is all over it too.
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 05:21:53 PDT From: "jason braswell" <funkbreath@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4820 Message-ID: <19990421122154.41860.qmail@hotmail.com>
since >we're being fair, I'd hardly call DT's members "average" looking - >c'mon, JP, MP and KJLB stand head-and-shoulders above most guys >in the moist-gusset stakes.
I have to ask what in the hell the "moist-gusset stakes" means.
jason
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:15:37 -0500 From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Dynamic Samples... Message-ID: <82CD0BD64E68D211BDA00060975B3ACF31A63C@bham-xchg1>
]From the illustrious Korgeee: >Actually, have you ever played a Roland V-Drum set? Not that it beats a >real drumkit, but it is one of the sweetest toys I've ever played on (and >I'm not a drummer!). Dynamic samples rule. It'd be something great to have >if you wanted to record live-sounding drums and didn't want to waste the >time getting a good sound out of a real kit.(recording real kits seems to be >a nightmare, mics everywhere, the drummer belches.....
Yeah, I played one, they rule. I did however, end up with a Yamaha DTX instead (with no regrets whatsoever). These have the harder rubber pads and take a little getting used to, but once you've adjusted they are too cool, you can carry off all the subtle nuances if you know what you're doing and it's great for a drummer to be able to challenge a keyboardist for a change... I would love to have MP round to my house and show me some crazy shit on my DTX, it would be a different direction for him, and I could make him tea!
Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama).
PS. Britney Spears is not that pretty (IMHO), the thing that gets people excited is the fact that she's 17 and dances around in a school uniform. For some reason my 5 year old daughter has allowed her to push the Spice Girls off of her top spot though...
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:34:00 -0400 (EDT) From: James Pepe <jpepe@typhoon.lightning.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Roland Drums Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990421093328.2766A-100000@typhoon.lightning.net>
> >KorgX3 fantasizes about napalm and puppies in toilet paper tubes. > Scott points out that dead puppies aren't much fun.
I musut second that.... Dead puppies cant be Puppies on Acid.
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:18:41 -0600 From: "Jason Barden" <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Triggers Message-ID: <B0000325950@usdbweb.usdb.k12.ut.us>
> He didn't mean it Mike! Go easy man! Actually, the thing with I&W is that > the snare was triggered - in other words every snare tap had the same volume > regardless of its force, or at least that's how I understood it.
That's not necessarily true, most triggers now are velocity sensitive. I don't know what trigger/brain combination Mike used, but ddrum triggers have someting like 1000 levels of sensitivity.
Jason
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