YTSEJAM Digest 4679
Today's Topics:
1) Onde Rock
by "Luca Masoni" <lmasoni@mi.atos.it>
2) Pain of Salvation (NDTC)
by MusicSnob@aol.com
3) Warrel Dane.
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
4) Threshold
by ASHLEY WONG <ashley.wong@etl.ericsson.se>
5) Kurzweil vs. Korg
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
6) RE: YTSEJAM digest 4678
by Curtis Toler <sticks707@mindspring.com>
7) Re: Rick Wakeman???!
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
8) fan club francais
by Sebast87@aol.com
9) Re: Thanks on the MP3 help
by rbrito@iname.com
10) Shameless plug
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
11) RE: Platypus thoughs
by Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
12) Conception
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
13) Re: Quickie Album Reviews
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
14) Pain Of Salvation and Ytseradio
by "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
15) Revolutionary Etude
by "Sadbutunforgiven" <m99086a@bellsouth.net>
16) Re: Revolutionary Etude
by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
17) Re: Revolutionary Etude
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
18) Re: Warrel Dane | "BET Jazz"
by JamesAhab@aol.com
19) Re: DT Guitarrist 2 (and 3!)
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:11:01 +0100
From: "Luca Masoni" <lmasoni@mi.atos.it>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Onde Rock
Message-ID: <000d01be5b50$e719eda0$5f0123c3@erp_pc50.mi.atos.it>
Stasera suoniamo all' Rock Sound Cafe di Merone (Erba).
Faremo fra le altre cose un medley appena aggiornato di Peruvian Sky , Enter
Sandman , A change of season , Sad but true e 'Take away my pain' nella
versione di once in a livetime.
Ciao
Luca
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:20:52 EST
From: MusicSnob@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Pain of Salvation (NDTC)
Message-ID: <9115a933.36cc2fd4@aol.com>
Perhaps it's because I don't pay enough attention (gotta be out persecuting
women as all men are wont to do, you know), but I don't recall having seen
anyone rave about the Pain of Salvation disc "One Hour by the Concrete Lake."
If you like intelligent, powerful, and progressive metal with great lyrics,
this is the disc for you. I know Dave Thomas (pixel planet, not Wendy's) has
reviewed this disc on the Perpetual Motion board, but aside from him, I
haven't seen any other 'jammers mention them. I highly recommend this disc.
If you don't trust me, there should be some sound files floating around, or
maybe you should tune into Dave's Ytseradio show, because I just bet he would
play you some.
NP: Gordian Knot
Kevin
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:45:52 -0500
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Warrel Dane.
Message-ID: <413835162AC9CF11AE9602070116CC5ED5C3E1@AMSC_NTAS>
Jim wrote...
>
> Out Of the Ashes. One of the best songs on there. I don't see
> any reason why I
> can't be a metal radio hit.
'Cause they don't play metal on the radio? :)
> >< Great vocals and lyrics by Warrel Dane... ><
>
> Did this guy sing for Sanctuary? 'Cause I was gonna check
> Nevermore out, but
> if Warren Dane's the singer, I definitely will not. I have
> this Sanctuary song
> called "Battle Angels." It's off some compilation album,
> Thrash Patrol.
> Anyway, this is honestly the single most annoying vocal
> performance I've ever
> heard. He sounded kind of like Chris Collins, and Dane was
> actually much
> worse, which is pretty hard to believe.
Well, while I don't agree with your assessment of Warrel's performance on
that song, the first Sanctuary album sounds COMPLETELY different from
everything else he's ever done. Don't let that put you off of getting the
Nevermore stuff. The Sanctuary album "Battle Angels" comes from - "Refuge
Denied" - has virtually nothing to do with the second - "Into The Mirror
Black" - and the Nevermore works.
I like them both, but I can certainly see how the vocal style on the first
Sanctuary album could annoy some people.
He is, however, a much better singer than Chris Collins would ever even
think about hoping to be. :)
The Doc 'o Mosh wrote...
> Nevermore is pretty good, but I don't think they've reached
> the level of
> Into the Mirro Black...
"Dreaming Neon Black" is up to that level, IMO. I like "Politics" a lot,
too, but DNB is on another level entirely.
Mike
Division
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:11 +0100
From: ASHLEY WONG <ashley.wong@etl.ericsson.se>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Threshold
Message-ID: <199902181711.1VWQ@eds.ericsson.se>
--- Received from ETL.ETLAYWG +44-1444-231883 99-02-18 18:11
-> ytsejam(a)ax.com
Hello all,
Just a few more bits of info on Threshold and other stuff.
Bad News:
The fanzine has shutdown :(, which is a pity has it's content was
very good, similar to the DTIFC.
Good News:
To make up for the lost subscription fee the club is offering
instead a fanclub limited issue CD called 'Decadent'. It's
various radio versions and remixes including a club version of
'Paradox' and a drum & bass mix of 'He is I am'=A4
I look foward to that as I partial to some techno/metal
tracks ala Mortal Kombat soundtrack. No flames pls...
Worrying news:
On Saturday just gone, I bought tickets for the upcoming gig at
the London Astoria this Sunday. I was worried about not getting
the tickets, as I always get them at the last minute. When I
checked the serial numbers, there were 00003, 00004, and
00005...Oh dear, I hope I don't have to run around trying to make
place look full=A4
Misheard news:
I'm dragging along a good buddy who doesn't really go for much
metal. So when I mentioned the band 'Threshold' and the 'Astoria'
he was a bit taken aback.
He was hesitant as the Astoria has a very popular Friday
'Love-Muscle','Pink Night',and thought we were going to see
a group called 'Fresh-hold'...doh=A4....
Ok, thanks for reading=A4
Ash.
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:24:18 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Kurzweil vs. Korg
Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.990218171759.23723A-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
I totally agree with Rahul and everyone else who has been singing
Kurzweil's praises. I own a K2000VP, and it's an incredible instrument.
The ONLY drawbacks to it are the 61 synth action keyboard and the 24 note
polyphony. But, of course, the K2500X solves those problems with an
88-weighted key keyboard and 48-note polyphony. I just didn't have the
cash to shell out for the 2500 when I needed the board. It's really cool,
too, to listen to LTE after playing the 2000 so much. You can pick out
the patches Jordan's using and say, "Hey! That sounds like patch 63!"
etc., and then go and try (TRY TRY TRY) to play it on the very same sound.
On the other hand, I've always found Korg, especially the Z1 and the
Trinity, to be much better at synthy kinds of sounds. A perfect example
is the intro to LITS on OIALT. Granted, that could be done with the Kurz,
but it just seems to come more naturally to the Korgs.
My goal is, of course, to purchase a Kurzweil K2500X and a Korg Trinity
within the next year or so to round out my keys set. You know, then I can
concentrate on the smaller ones like the Z1 and Prphecy, etc.
My apologies to all the non-techies on the jam who don't like this kind
of thing. It's my ultimate hobby, and hopefully someday my profession.
:) We can all dream, right?
-- Bert
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:11:35 -0600
From: Curtis Toler <sticks707@mindspring.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4678
Message-ID: <01BE5B37.D6E4CB80.sticks707@mindspring.com>
> You're missing out... Battle Angels is not a good representation of his
> vocals... although I doubt you'll ever find it, Into the Mirror Black is a
> metal milestone... one of metal's best in my opinion... the music is
> really heavy (not thrash or speed outright) and Warrel's vocals tear up...
>
I've gotta agree wit the Doc. In the Mirror Black is one of the releases that anchored me to
prog. Although not out and out prog, it definitely kicks ass. unfortunately I lost the tape. Check out
Nevermore, if ya don't like it, I'll buy it from ya.
Curtis StickS Toler
sticks707@mindspring.com
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 99 10:14:00 -0800
From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Rick Wakeman???!
Message-ID: <199902181812.KAA14738@network-services.uoregon.edu>
Simon John Dodd graced us with:
>Yeah, but none of this detracts for a minute from the indisputable
>fact that Wank Rakeman is shite.
>
>Si
Aah yes. Well, hmmm. I'm certainly glad it's indisputable. Thankfully,
it's so apparent that you didn't have to provide any evidence to your
ludicrous claim. Shit? What exactly are you referring to? Technique? Even
though he long since surpassed Keith Emerson in the technique department.
Writing, well, that's certainly more debatable. Is his music shitty?
Well, you might not like it, but I gather a lot of Ytsejammers would do
well to buy his "Return to the Center of the Earth" when it comes out. I
hear Ozzy Osbourne's performance is very impressive. In fact, I see no
reason why Rick Wakeman should not indeed be Lord and Master of the
Universe. And then, it would thusly be decreed, that nothing in the world
detracts from the indisputable fact that YOU ARE A MORON.
Andrew (dreamline)
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Remember there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over.
-FZ
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:13:24 EST
From: Sebast87@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: fan club francais
Message-ID: <638f8d26.36cc5844@aol.com>
Est-ce qu'il y a quelqu'un qui est abonne au fan club francais sur la list=
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 03:51:59 -0300
On Feb 17 1999, Younis Hilal wrote:
Sure we can.
> an mp3. Do you use a text editor? Is it that simple? Or is it something
You can use Winamp (if you open the ID3 tag editor with Alt-3,
I'm assuming that your files use ID3 tags v1.x (i.e., those
* 03 bytes containing the signature: "TAG";
If you do write the program, a smart advice is to check if the
HTH, Roger...
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 14:19:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
To: YtseJelly <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Shameless plug
Message-ID: <Pine.GSU.4.05.9902181413250.1593-100000@mariner.cris.com>
With the recent talk of internet radio, I thought I'd mention my Ytseradio
show on Sundays at 10pm EST till midnight (7pm till 9pm for you west coast
folks). To get an idea of what I play, check out my past setlists at
http://www.concentric.net/~ytse/setlists
.. and hopefully you'll get turned on to some new music. As a bonus,
you'll be relieved to know I don't sing along to the songs.
http://www.dreamt.org/ytseradio
Rick Audet
A Bad Apple
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:43:22 -0500
From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: RE: Platypus thoughs
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990216074322.00727a08@popserver.panix.com>
On 14:30 2/15/99 -0800, you wrote:
> The album as a whole I think is great. I wasn't really impressed with
> much of Myungs work, but not all music is written to impress musicians.
Exactly!
Well, this musician was impressed anyway.. (stole it at an in-store in
Barcelona the other week.)
---
Jens. (offline) <jens@panix.com> (http://www.panix.com/~jens/)
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:42:02 -0700
From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Conception
Message-ID: <s6cc0aa1.011@IOMEGA.COM>
This is for anyone who's quite familiar with Conception.
I just recently purchased Parallel Minds and in the liner notes
where the lyrics are, there is a song listed called Black on Black
and gives the lyrics. There is no such song on this CD. There is a
song called Silver Shine and there is no listing for it with the
lyrics. Can you tell me what's going on here? I tried looking for a
hidden track but there is none. My guess is at the last minute before
release they substituted Silver Shine for Black on Black and the
liner notes were already published.
Has anyone heard Black on Black? Gotta say that Conception is very
quickly becoming one of my top favorite bands-in the top 5-these guys
are good. Too bad Kahn went over to that lame band Kamelot. Sorry,
for fans of theirs, but no balls and crunch. Tore 0stby is one hell
of a guitarist.
Wilmo
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:27:54 +0100 (CET)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Quickie Album Reviews
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9902182125270.24330-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, David Dixon wrote:
> THE GATHERING - Mandylion
> Another of my favorite recent discs. This German band is somewhat
> reminiscient of Type O Negative, minus the overly sexual lyrical content and
> a singer that sings ABOVE the subsonic range of Peter Steele. Beautiful
> female vocals. Nothing too flashy, just awesome hard rock with slight hints
> of prog here and there.
That would be a DUTCH band... And indeed, Mandylion is one of their best
discs. I'd call it melodical gotic metal or something like that. They used
to be a death metal band if I remember correctly, but that slightly
changed when Anneke (their female singer) joined the band... Awesome! Also
check out Nighttime Birds if you like Mandylion.
Cheers
Zaphod
|Peter Geerts "...And for an encore, Man |
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:54:27 -0800
From: "Dave Thomas" <dthomas@best.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Pain Of Salvation and Ytseradio
Message-ID: <000301be5b80$e03a2100$046400c0@oemcomputer>
Thanks to MusicSnob for seconding my recommendation of POS. This CD is very
impressive, one of the best of my recent purchases. I'd also like to thank
him for reading my post on PM. Granted, the reviews I wrote were pretty
short. They were just some quick thoughts after I listened to all the CDs
that I got in a big box from Laser's Edge, as well as some I had picked up
locally (I save all my long-winded ranting for Pixel Planet, which no one
seems to look at anyway). I like that board, but sometimes it seems like
getting an intelligent discussion going there is pretty hard. It seems that
posts that review CDs or shows get almost no responses, but some trivia like
"Favorite CD to listen to while you clean the bathroom" gets a mile long
thread.
I'd also like to thank him for recommending my Ytseradio show. If you're
intrigued by the thought of what oddities I might play for you, tune in on
Monday or Friday 4-6pm EST (1-3pm PST) for two hours of whatever I feel like
playing. Yeah, I know, it's on during the day, but that's because all the
nighttime slots are taken, and being on at night might interfere with my TV
viewing (again, I'm so shallow).
So listen to my show if you get a chance. I'll probably play some music
you've never heard. And much like Rick Audet, I will also not be singing
over any of the music...
Dave Thomas - Editor, Pixel Planet
Reviews of books, music, comics, movies, games, CG software, programming
tools and more!
http://www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:48:53 -0500
From: "Sadbutunforgiven" <m99086a@bellsouth.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Revolutionary Etude
Message-ID: <019d01be5b88$87c58020$d50bd6d1@pavilion>
I downloaded an MP3 a while ago of Jordan Rudess playing Chopin's
"Revolutionary Etude".
I was wondering if anyone knows where this came from?
Thanx
~~Sadbutunforgiven
http://come.to/sadd
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:16:50 -0500 (EST)
From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Revolutionary Etude
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990218171616.27340A-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>
> From: Sadbutunforgiven <m99086a@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Revolutionary Etude
>
>
> I downloaded an MP3 a while ago of Jordan Rudess playing Chopin's
> "Revolutionary Etude".
>
> I was wondering if anyone knows where this came from?
i believe it came from Magna Carta's Steinway To Heaven disc. moo.
--
"You are what you eat, you fucking cannibal!"
-- KorgX3
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:49:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Revolutionary Etude
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990218174638.9822B-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, Sadbutunforgiven wrote:
> I downloaded an MP3 a while ago of Jordan Rudess playing Chopin's
> "Revolutionary Etude".
>
> I was wondering if anyone knows where this came from?
That was off of a compilation CD called "Steinway to Heaven", and Rudess
played it on his Kurzweil K2500. I don't know who else is on the CD,
though.
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu
http://cout.ml.org/
ICQ: 2513441
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Psychiatrists say that 1 out of 4 people are
mentally ill. Check three friends. If they're OK,
you're it.
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:42:05 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Warrel Dane | "BET Jazz"
Message-ID: <2c82a38.36cc973d@aol.com>
>< I like them both, but I can certainly see how the vocal style on the
first Sanctuary album could annoy some people. ><
The first time I heard Battle Angels, it actually scared me 'cause he doesn't
sound human. Sounds like the banshee of death or something. but that was
before i disocvered labrie and the other high-pitched proggers, so it's not as
bad now, but i still could never get used to it.
On a completely unrelated topic, I just was watching a show called Impressions
on BET Jazz, and some fat, white, long-haired guitarist was just playing on
one of those early electric guitars (I'm not an electric guitar historian, so
I don't know what to call them). I saw him play for about 5 minutes. They
never mentioned his name. anyway, my point is, this guy is the best guitarist
ever. and i only saw him for 5 minutes. umm...ok...just thought i'd share
that...'k bye.
jim
np - tso: christmas eve...
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:54:45 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: DT Guitarrist 2 (and 3!)
Message-ID: <36CC9A35.A23064C@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:16:28 -0800 (PST)
> From: Mc-Merc <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com>
> Subject: DT Guitarrist 2 (and 3!)
>
> Oh yeah? And what about Carlos Cavazo or Mick Mars? I think
> they're pretty much up there with Petrucci!
Was this serious??? :) We're talking about Mick from Motley Crue right?
I always liked Dr. Feelogood album, great stuff, and the dude is great,
but saying he's on a level of Petrucci - I don't think so!
If he did something new maybe, or got awaken like Scolnick - I'll be
glad to hear about it more from jammers!
> </sarcasm>
Does this answers my question? :)
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From: rbrito@iname.com
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Thanks on the MP3 help
Message-ID: <19990218035159.A788@vanessa.ime.usp.br>
>
> > Duffel Bag for telling me the way to do it, and to Rogerio Brito for the
> > smart advice about removing the ID3 tag before connecting the MP3s! :)
> > It did help a lot!
> Even though I've made several mp3s, I've never edited them, so I was
> wondering if you could help me out and tell me how you remove the tag for
> you can do in Winamp?
there's an option to remove the ID3 tag of the file) or you can do it
by hand removing the last 128 bytes of the file, if you know how to do
that (basically, writing a program to truncate the size of the file
will do what you want).
that do not contain lyrics). The format of ID3 tags is very simple:
* 30 bytes for name of song;
* 30 bytes for name of artist;
* 30 bytes for the album;
* 04 bytes for the year (so, MP3s are Y2K compliant :-) );
* 01 byte for the style/genre of the song;
* 30 bytes for the comments on the song.
last 128 bytes of the file have the signature 128 before doing
anything. The probability that a file that does not contain an ID3 tag
but that has these bytes set to "TAG" is very small.
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