YTSEJAM Digest 4680
Today's Topics:
1) The Gathering of the Wooden Shoes and Tulips :)
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
2) c'mon, folks.
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
3) Re: Messhuggah
by Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
4) Keys
by Chris Oates <coates@objectivity.com>
5) Props To Mosh!!!!!!
by MTeiper@aol.com
6) Re:Conception
by "Akis" <akis.s@acropolis.net>
7) Mind's Eye!!
by dhp <dhplotki@students.wisc.edu>
8) Re: c'mon, folks.
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
9) The Quiet Room
by "Jeremy Kube" <inflmmbl@tiac.net>
10) Re: Conception
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
11) Re: c'mon, folks.
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
12) collective soul
by "brian L skinner" <brian.l.skinner@gte.net>
13) Re: Mind's Eye!!
by Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com>
14) Pain of Salvation / Rudess does Chopin
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
15) Re: The Quiet Room
by Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
16) Re: Mind's Eye!!
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:32:11 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: The Gathering of the Wooden Shoes and Tulips :)
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498092A9@messaging>
Yeah, the website from which I gleaned The Gathering's nationality was WRONG
- sorry for the confusion (and yes, I have notified the owner...)... :)
David Dixon, MCP
Internet Developer
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
david@iisweb.com
ytsedave@asu.edu
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On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, David Dixon wrote:
> THE GATHERING - Mandylion
> Another of my favorite recent discs. This German band is somewhat
> reminiscient of Type O Negative, minus the overly sexual lyrical content
and
> a singer that sings ABOVE the subsonic range of Peter Steele. Beautiful
> female vocals. Nothing too flashy, just awesome hard rock with slight
hints
> of prog here and there.
That would be a DUTCH band... And indeed, Mandylion is one of their best
discs. I'd call it melodical gotic metal or something like that. They used
to be a death metal band if I remember correctly, but that slightly
changed when Anneke (their female singer) joined the band... Awesome! Also
check out Nighttime Birds if you like Mandylion.
Cheers
Zaphod
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:58:05 -0500
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: c'mon, folks.
Message-ID: <36CCA90D.16031B97@bigfoot.com>
People, please. You know this MTV thing ain't gonna happen.
There seems to be a collective assumpion that if it could ever be proven
that people really want to hear more metal, and Everclear really does
fucking suck, then it would have to follow that the entire music
industry would accomodate their audience. Wrong, wrong, wrong!
The New York area's closest thing to cool radio - KROQ - has an all
request lunch. You can call in, request anything, and they really will
play it. It's the best part of their line-up. And what do people
request? Foo Fighters? Sugar Ray? Not so much. They request MAIDEN!
That's what people want to hear, folks! People call in and request Judas
Priest Def Lepard, because metal is cool, and people like it and want to
hear it, as PROVEN better than we ever could, by the fact that that's a
huge part of what KROQ plays during the period when the audience gets to
dictate what they play. Yeah, they ask for House of Pain too, but here's
the point:
The music industry, like the fashion industry, thrives on change. Do
people's tastes really change every season? Of course not. Why is the
fat tie out, and then in, and then out again? Why not leave it in?
People don't care. They like it one way or the other. If it were me,
it'd be no ties for him, short skirts for her, year after year. Doesn't
matter. There's no money in selling something that lasts! It has to be
disposable, it has to be fad-based. If the value of something is
intrinsic and NOT fad-based, then it is not disposable, and why do you
think pantyhose is disposable? Because people bought a pair, and that
was that. No repeat revenues. So manufactures made it so it rips on
purpose, and solved their little revenue problem.
The music industry's version of disposable pantyhose? Puff Daddy, and
Everclear and Hanson. The appeal of the product, the hook: it has to be
catchy and people must enjoy listening to the product. The
disposability: The product must not have any lasting value. That would
hinder future sales.
Everyone knows Dream Theater is good. Even non-metal fans are impressed
by DT, but stations can't play it, and Atlantic can't market it, because
if they got fans too interested in lasting, quality music, nobody would
buy Matchbox 20 anymore(Sidenote: if you can manage to choke down the
bile for a few minutes, "yourself or someone like you" is kind of
cool.). We should be thanking Atlantic. Normally, when a quality band
comes around, the only way to overcome the fact that they're not
disposable(and therefore a hindrance to future sales) is to
overwhelmingly be loved. Examples: U2, Pearl Jam. Short of that, even
really good bands like ours have that huge non-disposable problem, and
that's why, really, we should be grateful that Atlantic has been as good
as they have, selling things like ACoS. The proliferation of 23 minute
songs would destroy labels, if they weren't released as a small, safe,
fraction of all music sold.
Puff Daddy is an evil genius. By taking good music - to insure his work
sells - and building in the failsafe disposability - rap, in this case,
as it is often - he ends up with a final product that will burn really
bright and last not long at all. Xanadu for the tools that run the
labels. The Police may not be Mozart, but they were at least one step up
from numb monotony. Rap is monotonous, unimaginative, uncreative,
uninspiring. It's totally fad-based and I believe that it is strongly
related to the music industry's current problems. I keep reading how
there have never been as many one-hit bands as there are right now.
Never before in history have so many bands been so disposable. Did rap,
which lures the lowest common denominator into a huge frenzy of buying,
have something to do with this? mmmmmmmmmmmmmAYBE!
All I know is, Hank the angry drunken dwarf is never getting on that
cover, and Voices is never getting airplay, because what people really
want means absolutely nothing.
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel Churchill's description of history: "It's just one damn thing after another."------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:10:35 -0800 (PST) From: Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Messhuggah Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990218160338.10208B-100000@morris.cds.caltech.edu>
On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: Ibanez506@aol.com > Does anyone know where I can get some MP3s of Meshuggah? I've heard alot > about these guys but can't find any samples. Mosh's ftp site. total.devastation.com Under /incoming/Meshuggah
There's 4 mp3s there (one mp3 each from Contradictions Collapse, None, Destroy Erase Improve). There's also an mp3 of a song from chaosphere, but it's a slightly different version than the one released on the CD.
Younis Hilal------------------------yhilal@cds.caltech.edu
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:43:52 -0800 From: Chris Oates <coates@objectivity.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Keys Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990218164350.009c4910@objypop>
Bert said:
> My goal is, of course, to purchase a Kurzweil K2500X and a Korg Trinity >within the next year or so to round out my keys set. You know, then I can >concentrate on the smaller ones like the Z1 and Prphecy, etc.
Well, since the Z-1 is pretty much a superset of the Prophecy, and you can get the Trinity-V3 which is a trinity with a Z1 built in (or get the Trinity with a Prophecy built in if you want to save some $$ -- the plus and up have it) Why get them separately? Unless you really like the physical keyboards better.
<babble>
As for the talk of piano sounds, I love the Yamaha EX-5 piano sound. As for the Kurzy, does it really only have 48 note polyphony? Is that raw polyphony, so a 2-oscillator program would only have 24 note polyphony, and a 4 voice one only 12? ugh. I guess I'm spoled with the 64 voice polyphony of the new Rolands and the 128 voices of the Yamaha. Well, the Trinity only does 32, though...
</babble>
~Chris
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:57:30 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Props To Mosh!!!!!! Message-ID: <5820a546.36ccb6fa@aol.com>
Yeah Mosh!!!
All this talk about "Into the Mirror Black" has reminded me how much I absolutely loved that album.... so I dug through all of my older CD's and found it.
I haven't listened to it in years! This is some GREAT shit!!! :-)
Thanks, Mosh!
- Matt T.
PS: I also agree that Nevermore, while good, doesn't hit me like ITMB did. I have the first Nevermore and the most recent one. Good solid stuff, but nothing to make me jump up and down. Maybe I just gotta listen to it a few more times...
Ah well, back to thrashing to Sanctuary.... Laterz!
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 03:03:29 +0200 From: "Akis" <akis.s@acropolis.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re:Conception Message-ID: <199902190116.RAA25716@thor.ax.com>
>This is for anyone who's quite familiar with Conception. I just recently purchased Parallel Minds and in the liner notes >where the lyrics are, there is a song listed called Black on Black >and gives the lyrics. There is no such song on this CD. There is a >song called Silver Shine and there is no listing for it with the >lyrics. Can you tell me what's going on here? I tried looking for a >hidden track but there is none. My guess is at the last minute before >release they substituted Silver Shine for Black on Black and the >liner notes were already published. > Has anyone heard Black on Black? Gotta say that Conception is very >quickly becoming one of my top favorite bands-in the top 5-these guys >are good. Too bad Kahn went over to that lame band Kamelot. Sorry, >for fans of theirs, but no balls and crunch. Tore 0stby is one hell >of a guitarist.
>Wilmo
Bad news for ya. Conception don't exist anymore. After the "Flow" album they broke up. I've had that problem with "Black on black" too, but my booklet has the lyrics for both BOB and "Silver shine". If you need them, email me private. I don't agree with you about Kamelot, the first two albums weren't any masterpiece but "Siege perilous" is maybe the best epic album for '98, IMO. I suggest you give 'em a chance.
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:35:17 -0600 From: dhp <dhplotki@students.wisc.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Mind's Eye!! Message-ID: <v04011702b2f26f2ad663@[144.92.96.185]>
Alright, everyone drop everything, go to the sensory music homepage, and listen to the "Mind's Eye" joint "Almost There." From that, I purchased the cd, and I must say, this is undoubtedly the best prog I've heard in some some time. To me it's an amalgam of Enchant and Lemur Voice, who themselves seem to be amalgams of DT, Rush, whatever. Amalgams amalgams everywhere, and not a drop to drink. Uh, wait, that belongs elsewhere. Simply remarkable. Curious to hear other's reaction, insofar as mine lacks anything substantial whatsoever.
Bye, David Plotkin.
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:20:19 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: c'mon, folks. Message-ID: <iss.324b.36ccca62.38b8a.1@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:06:13 -0800 (PST) from Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>:
> from numb monotony. Rap is monotonous, unimaginative, uncreative, > uninspiring. It's totally fad-based
Now I gotta really disagree. Yes, most of the rap on the radio is unimaginitive, uncreative, etc. But so is most of the other music on the radio. Just like any genre, there's some rap out there that's verrrrry interesting. Check out Busta Rhymes, who actually gets some radio play, or maybe some older folk like Public Enemy. If you care.
> and I believe that it is strongly > related to the music industry's current problems.
Likewise here, I gotta disagree. First of all, exactly what problems do you see? From the music industry's point of view, things are peachy. They're selling records like hotcakes these days. Now, if you're talking about the problems like bands all sounding the same, boring music on the radio, guess what? That's true of every genre right now, and most any period in recent history. Most prog right now is boring and sounds like Dream Theater wannabes. Most rap right now is boring and sounds like Warren G wannabes. Most metal is boring right now and sounds like Korn wannabes. And on and on.
> I keep reading how > there have never been as many one-hit bands as there are right now. > Never before in history have so many bands been so disposable. Did rap, > which lures the lowest common denominator into a huge frenzy of buying, > have something to do with this? mmmmmmmmmmmmmAYBE!
Ummmm, no.
First of all, I have a theory about one-hit-wonders that I want to research, right now it's just my feeling from watching the charts the last ten years or so. This is what I think: there's not many true one-hit wonders any more, more like one-album wonders. Up through the eighties the music industry was still in the old single mentality. These days, they've finally wised up and realized that once sales off that first big single start to fade, you can release another single to hook people that weren't hooked the first time around. So what you get are "one-hit-wonders" who actually have maybe three songs and hang around a year or so.
But that's beside the point. Most of the one-hit wonders right now are not rappers. Look at the rappers on the charts in the last year or so; it's people like LL, Puffy, Snoop, Notorius B.I.G., DMX, people who have been around at least a couple years, in some cases a lot more. The biggest one hit wonders are falling into two categories: dance, which has always been the domain of singles by its very nature, since the days of disco; and alternative, which is spawning countless groups like Harvey Danger on the faster side and Ben Folds Five on the 'college-oriented' side who have one top forty single and are never heard from again.
> All I know is, Hank the angry drunken dwarf is never getting on that > cover, and Voices is never getting airplay, because what people really > want means absolutely nothing.
Obviously. As the guy who sent the original message, I want to say, obviously I know it won't do anything. As a guy who voted for Hank and monitored the results with some other folk on #ytsejam irc during the final night of voting, it's entertaining as hell. :)
-Brian
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:48:00 -0500 From: "Jeremy Kube" <inflmmbl@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: The Quiet Room Message-ID: <000501be5bb2$46c6e9e0$a1723dd1@inflmmbl.tiac.net>
Hey all... I know that all of you have probably heard of the "new" band "The Quiet Room" they just recently signed with Magna Carta. If you haven't heard of them, they are a prog. band from Denver Colarado area. They totally kick ass! IMHO, they sound like Queensryche, Fates Warning and DT all mixed together. They are tight, very prog, very heavy and very intricate. If you haven't gotten their album, you can order it from CDNOW (with $10 off if you go through www.dreamtheater.net) I highly recommend this album. I give it ***** (more if there was a higher system to rate it on!) If you have heard this album, let me know what you think! ALSO! www.hardradio.com has TQR on their site for you to listen to. Later, J Jeremy Kube inflmmbl@tiac.net kube@nh.ultranet.com inflammabl@aol.com "This Job would rule if it weren't for the f*$king customers!" Randall in "Clerks" "If I had breasts, I would never leave the house, ever." John Perreault
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:48:17 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Conception Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.990218214401.67836A-100000@archa11.cc.uga.edu>
Bill Huston took a dump and looked in the toilet to find: Gotta say that Conception is very quickly becoming one of my top favorite bands-in the top 5-these guys are good. Too bad Kahn went over to that lame band Kamelot. Sorry, for fans of theirs, but no balls and crunch. Tore 0stby is one hell of a guitarist.
Uh, Conception broke up a couple of years ago, in case you didn't know that. Khan didn't just "go over to that lame band Kamelot." At least he's singing for someone. Plus, Siege Perilous is quite good. But you're right, it's nothing close to Parallel Minds or In Your Multitude. And you're definitely right about Tore: he is outstanding.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Smith ktulu@arches.uga.edu
"Symphony X is the musical equivalent of the Hammer of God." -Joe DeAngelo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:59:59 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: c'mon, folks. Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990219025959.01264794@pi-r-squared.com>
>> All I know is, Hank the angry drunken dwarf is never getting on that >> cover, and Voices is never getting airplay, because what people really >> want means absolutely nothing.
Alright, all this talk of Hank the angry drunken dward has aroused my curiosity... if someone would care to explain the story, I'd love to hear it. :)
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:43:23 -0700 From: "brian L skinner" <brian.l.skinner@gte.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: collective soul Message-ID: <000201be5bca$a6e37b00$23437cce@computer>
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:09:59 -0500 From: Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Mind's Eye!! Message-ID: <36CCE417.B78E2050@frontierlogic.com>
dhp wrote: > > Alright, everyone drop everything, go to the sensory music homepage, and > listen to the "Mind's Eye"
Actually, I have the CD. I've tried, very hard, to give this CD a chance. It wouldn't take. Imagine Fates Warning with a guitarist that doesn't come close to Matheos and a drummer that cant touch Zonder. Then imagine this same group releasing utter crap. That's Mind's Eye.
-mojoman
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:13:20 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Pain of Salvation / Rudess does Chopin Message-ID: <36F1CEE0.BDBE0F43@home.com>
Kevin (MusicSnob) wrote: > but I don't recall having seen > anyone rave about the Pain of Salvation disc "One Hour by the Concrete Lake." > If you like intelligent, powerful, and progressive metal with great lyrics, > this is the disc for you.
Definitely. (review of this one on the way soon, BTW)
Oh, and Kevin.... Now go and pick up PoS' first release: Entropia! =)
*** Sadbutunforgiven wrote: > I downloaded an MP3 a while ago of Jordan Rudess playing Chopin's > "Revolutionary Etude". > > I was wondering if anyone knows where this came from?
Yep, CowGod and Andrew are correct, the song is from Magna Carta's Steinway to Heaven. I'm the one who posted the MP3 originally, and if you're either interested in the tracklist, or more MP3's - please let me know. BTW- that's the only tune Jordan plays on it.
- Joe D. aka Magellan jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I swear on tomorrow- If you take this chance- Our lives are this moment The music, the dance- And here in this labyrinth- Of lost mysteries I close my eyes on this night- And you're all that I see - Savatage, from "Not What You See" -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:15:28 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: The Quiet Room Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990218221339.27211A-100000@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu>
> I know that all of you have probably heard of the "new" band "The > Quiet Room" they just recently signed with Magna Carta.
They signed with Metal Blade, not Magna Carta.
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:46:57 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye!! Message-ID: <001601be5bc2$e306a880$470d84d0@default>
>doesn't come close to Matheos and a drummer that cant touch Zonder. Then >imagine this same group releasing utter crap. That's Mind's Eye.
Ah, good... I was getting this mixed up with "The Mind's Eye" computer animated "films." I read that post and was going... "Hmm... Thomas Dolby does right a decent soundtrack, but it's not really prog...." heheheh...
BTW... Does anyone know of a good DVD ripper? :D Something that will capture stills and short video segments form DVD I mean? I've never heard of one and none of the movies I have will allow screen captures. :P And Paint Shop Pro only captures the blue background. BlaH!
Thanks beforehand. Private mail is preferred as I don't think even 5% of the people here own a DVD player and fewer still probably have PC installed ones... hehehe. *looks lame* -- KorgX3 has a bad leg.
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