YTSEJAM Digest 4681
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4680
by pete gilman <pgilman@monmouth.com>
2) Re: c'mon folks
by Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net>
3) Dream Theater sighting (er) on the radio
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
4) Re: DT article in Metal Edge
by Darth1@aol.com
5) Radio shows
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
6) AOI MP3s
by "Samah" <woolcock@camtech.net.au>
7) fates warning
by Sebast87@aol.com
8) Err...
by "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
9) re: Re: DT Guitarrist 2 (and 3!)
by PsyCh0tIc <psychothiz@yahoo.com>
10) Re: DT article in Metal Edge
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
11) Labels, TQR...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
12) Re: Labels, TQR...
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
13) NDTC - MAJOR-LEAGUE TV TRIVIA REQUEST....
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
14) NEED HELP QUICK PRICING AN IBANEZ!!
by "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
15) cabbage rolls and coffee
by Dave M Klint <davek@csh.rit.edu>
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:18:39 -0500
From: pete gilman <pgilman@monmouth.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4680
Message-ID: <36CCF42F.6ECC4323@monmouth.com>
Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> The New York area's closest thing to cool radio - KROQ - has an all
uh, the actual call letters would be WXRK; "K-Rock." and try WSOU
(south orange university), 89.5, if you can get them over WSIA...
they'll sate your metal lust... 8-)
pete
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:23:41 -0600
From: Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: c'mon folks
Message-ID: <36CCF55D.5FD944D9@wavetech.net>
>Check out Busta Rhymes, who actually gets some radio play, or
>maybe some older folk like Public Enemy. If you care.
I think they're both quite uninteresting.
>Most rap right now is boring and sounds like Warren G wannabes.
>Most metal is boring right now and sounds like Korn wannabes. And on >and on.
All rap is boring, and Korn's pathetic attemp at metal doesn't
deserve to get copied. :P
kyle
(thinks he should come up with something nice to say)
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:03:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Dream Theater sighting (er) on the radio
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990219010119.13072A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
I was in the gym today (first time in like two years and I am in PAIN),
and over the stereo they had playing some local rock station. This little
blurb for the station came on, and underneath this testosterone-boosted
guy saying "ROCK One-oh-one" were the first notes of "Surrounded." I
thought it was kind of neat, because nobody except my DT-heads and I even
know they exist. I brought it up to my friend, telling her about how neat
it is to hear them in little contexts like that.
Just thought some of you might know that Dream Theater apparently isn't
unheard of here in New Hampshire.
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu
http://cout.ml.org/
ICQ: 2513441
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The only stupid question is the one that is never
asked, except maybe "Don't you think it is about
time you audited my return?" or "But officer,
isn't it morally wrong to give me a warning when,
in fact, I was speeding?"
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:08:18 EST
From: Darth1@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: DT article in Metal Edge
Message-ID: <b3efda29.36cd0de2@aol.com>
Did anyone catch the DT article in the latest issue of Metal Edge mag?
Basically it talked about the releases of 5YIAL and OIAL. I was wondering =
why
it didn't include any info on Jordan joining the band...
Anyway it was cool to see DT in a mag...
Josh S.
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And its all that keeps me here
My time is all that I own
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:52:47 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Radio shows
Message-ID: <199902190852.AA28152@crl.crl.com>
Ryan Good wrote:
> Hey Ytsejammers!
> This is Ryan Good, lurker, Metal Friend, Loud Rock Director
> for WSUM
> - Madison Student Radio, and host of Strong PROGress, and
> internet-based
> show on our lovely WSUM: http://wsum.wisc.edu
> Strong PROGress is a show on FRIDAYS from 5pm to 8pm cst,
Cool. You can listen to his show from 5pm - 8pm CST, and then listen
to ours from 10pm-2am EST. WREKage on WREK-FM, the student voice of
Georgia Tech (although I'm not a student :)). Our show is
death/thrash/black metal so I don't get to have too much prog played,
but when I can influence the show (or on rare nights when I take over
for a bit) you'll hear gems like DT's cover of "Damage Inc." with
Barney Greenway -- which became a popular request for a few months --
and Ocean Machine's "Regulator" -- which also became a popular
request.
There's a chance I'll be able to get my own show or something in the
future -- despite not being a student, the station manager likes me,
and more importantly, I introduced him to Ozric Tentacles :) -- and if
that happens, I'll let everyone know.
The URL is http://cyberbuzz.gatech.edu/wrek/wreknet.shtml; shows are
also archived for one week on the site for later listening.
Atlanta-area folks can tune in fairly easy at 91.1 -- we broadcast at
40,000 watts, and WREKage is the station's most popular single show,
with at least 2,000 listeners on a typical night and perhaps as many
as 10,000. WREKage isn't for the faint of heart; with rare
exceptions (some from me:)) the "lightest" stuff we play is, e.g.,
Slayer..... :)
-- Paul W. Cashman | Listening to the city Whispering its violence vanyel@crl.com | I set out watching from above ICQ #4151223 | The 90s bring new questions New solutions to be found Dream Theater --> I fell in love to be let down------------------------------
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:54:48 +1030 From: "Samah" <woolcock@camtech.net.au> To: "YtseJam Mailing List" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: AOI MP3s Message-ID: <001e01be5bf4$9539e5e0$07646464@shane>
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Hi all, Does anyone have or knows where I can get MP3s of the entire Explorer's = Club: Age Of Impact? I don't currently have time to read all of the 'jam, so private mail = would be heaps easier. Ta!! CYA
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 06:01:05 EST From: Sebast87@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: fates warning Message-ID: <37d0c00c.36cd4471@aol.com>
hey I really know nothing about Fates Warning, i do not own any CD of them. I wish i got a cd, but i do not know which cd i will buy. So what cd is the I&W of fates warning, i mean the easier for a first taste? thanks to e-mail me privately sebast
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:34:11 GMT From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk> To: the Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Err... Message-ID: <C9D87314D9@sdk1.derby.ac.uk>
Hi folks, It's my Birthday. Fuck, I'm pissed. I love you all. That's it.
Si
p.s., Matt Gonzalez: >Today television, tomorrow the world!!!! The world is not enough, my friend. Pat Travers, "Heat On The Street" - give it a listen.
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Date: 19 Feb 99 11:11:58 -0300 From: PsyCh0tIc <psychothiz@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: Re: DT Guitarrist 2 (and 3!) Message-ID: <13140528433179@yahoo.com>
>Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:54:45 +0100 >From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> >Subject: Re: DT Guitarrist 2 (and 3!) > > >> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:16:28 -0800 (PST) >> From: Mc-Merc <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com> >> Subject: DT Guitarrist 2 (and 3!) >> >> Oh yeah? And what about Carlos Cavazo or Mick Mars? I think >> they're pretty much up there with Petrucci! > >Was this serious??? :) We're talking about Mick from Motley Crue right? >I always liked Dr. Feelogood album, great stuff, and the dude is great, >but saying he's on a level of Petrucci - I don't think so! >If he did something new maybe, or got awaken like Scolnick - I'll be >glad to hear about it more from jammers!
I don't think DT needs more Guitars, but if it did, guys like Steve Vai and Joe Satriani would fit the place!!!
PsyCh0tIc....
[Dream Theater r0x]
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:31:11 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: DT article in Metal Edge Message-ID: <36CD75AF.E2F4154D@caribe.net>
Darth1@aol.com wrote:
> Did anyone catch the DT article in the latest issue of Metal Edge mag? > Basically it talked about the releases of 5YIAL and OIAL. I was wondering = > why > it didn't include any info on Jordan joining the band... > Anyway it was cool to see DT in a mag... >
That article was probably written around the release date of the the IAL's :)
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Sup.@Internet Solutions Inc mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:calfaro@yunque.net (ICQ)1254229
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:04:08 -0500 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Labels, TQR... Message-ID: <413835162AC9CF11AE9602070116CC5ED5C3EE@AMSC_NTAS>
Brian wrote...
> > and I believe that it is strongly > > related to the music industry's current problems. > > Likewise here, I gotta disagree. First of all, exactly what > problems do you > see? From the music industry's point of view, things are > peachy. They're > selling records like hotcakes these days.
Actually, sales have declined by something like 30% since 1990. Most of the "free cash" the labels got in the late '80s / early '90s was from people replacing their LP's with CD's. Now that CD's have to stand pretty much on just new music, they're not maintaining the same profit margins for the labels. Has anybody noticed the astounding number of anthologies and remaster reissues in the past few years? It's a quick cash grab by the labels.
Labels are also scared shitless of mp3, but that's another argument.
> First of all, I have a theory about one-hit-wonders that I want to > research, right now it's just my feeling from watching the > charts the last > ten years or so. This is what I think: there's not many true one-hit > wonders any more, more like one-album wonders. Up through the > eighties the > music industry was still in the old single mentality. These > days, they've > finally wised up and realized that once sales off that first > big single > start to fade, you can release another single to hook people > that weren't > hooked the first time around. So what you get are > "one-hit-wonders" who > actually have maybe three songs and hang around a year or so.
But the follow-ups are seldom as big as the first hit, and are usually propped up by marketing. The problem is that labels don't develop bands anymore - the attitude that used to prevail. You've gone from people who were at least somewhat interested in music running the labels - in the '80s - to people that are just selling soap - the '90s - so they just trade brands when the sales drop. There's no long term thought process anymore. Yes, labels do occasionally build a powerhouse - much as I dislike saying it, Maria Carey sells a lot fo product, and will probably be around for a while - but does anybody think Sugar Ray will be around in five years? Will any of the "new swing bands" outlast the current fad? (Well, Brian Setzer maybe, but he's been doing it for years...)
(Rap argument deleted, but both sides make valid points.)
> I know that all of you have probably heard of the > "new" band "The > Quiet Room" they just recently signed with Magna Carta.
Nope. Metal Blade, who are at least marginally better at promotion. :)
If > you haven't > heard of them, they are a prog. band from Denver Colarado area. They > totally kick ass! IMHO, they sound like Queensryche, Fates > Warning and DT > all mixed together. They are tight, very prog, very heavy and very > intricate.
They're also somewhat of a rarity in the prog metal world right now, in that they're both SONG-oriented and GUITAR-oriented. (They have a keyboard player AND two guitarists - all of whom are excellent) I'd highly recommend "Intro
They're also great guys. We played (and drank) with them at the first Powermad, and we're playing with them - and Iced Earth and Jag Panzer - in Philadelphia on the 27th. Go see this tour if you live in the Midwest/Northeast US, 'cause they're ALL good.
> "This Job would rule if it weren't for the f*$king > customers!" Randall in > "Clerks"
Great quote, BTW...
Mike Division
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:36:36 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Labels, TQR... Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990219103506.17090A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, Blevins, Mike wrote:
> Will any of the "new swing bands" outlast the current fad? (Well, Brian > Setzer maybe, but he's been doing it for years...)
Big Bad Voodoo Daddy has been around for several years now, but they haven't been nearly as big as they are now. Ever since the movie "Swingers" was released, the band has had a cult following (they really ARE good), and they've only become very big in the past year or so. I think that they, like Dream Theater, will always have a big following among certain groups.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu http://cout.ml.org/ ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "Never trust a spiritual leader who can't dance." - Mr. Miyagi -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:50:29 -0500 (EST) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: TheListFromTheDepthsOfHell <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: NDTC - MAJOR-LEAGUE TV TRIVIA REQUEST.... Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990219104319.2645A-100000@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
I was wondering the the all-knowing here on the 'Jam will be able to help me out with this.........PRIVATE E-MAIL ONLY PLEASE!!!!!
Two questions about 2 TV shows....
1.) There used to be a show that I saw called "Candy Apple Factory". Can anyone give me any details about this show. Any info. at all would be greatly appreciated. Web links would rok nadz.....
2.) There was another show too about a boy (mid teens) who had a big electronic set up in his bedroom that allowed him to communicate with a girl that lived in a space station. he had a big screen in his room and her face would appear on it and talk to him, and he would talk to her via the screen in her spaceship. I remember nothing else about the show. Can anyone else help me out with this......
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Perhaps I will even give a little somethin' somethin' as a gift in return...........
Thanks,
Al
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 14:29:40 -0400 From: "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: NEED HELP QUICK PRICING AN IBANEZ!! Message-ID: <19990219155026296.AAA233@mcs01.yunque.net@SMART01.yunque.net>
Ok , im being offered an ibanez 7 string based on the S series...its on very good condition (so the guy in the store says, i havent seen it) hes offering it for around 800$..but i could get him down to around 650$ he says its around '92
Should i buy it?!
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:01:30 -0500 From: Dave M Klint <davek@csh.rit.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: cabbage rolls and coffee Message-ID: <199902191601.LAA27221@elwood.csh.rit.edu>
You had to know you'd be burned for this:
>from Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>: > from numb monotony. Rap is monotonous, unimaginative, uncreative, > uninspiring. It's totally fad-based
Far be it from me to defend the talent-less media that is commonly referred to as rap music, but I have to rebut this. I've stood up in college music appreciation classes and denounced rap having no musical quality, and ever since my wannabe days of high school when I did listen to the junk to be cool, I've never been convinced that rap is more than a way to dupe the public and get rich. BUT... no more can we denounce the _entire_ genra of rap than can anyone say all prog music is "fast for the sake of being fast" (isn't that on the DT FAQ somewhere?). Likewise, what counts as rap? Does Korn count? Shooties Groove? Beasty Boys? Limp Biskit? Or are we limited to Wu-tang and Snoop Dogg? What about the House of Pain guy, now in Everlast?
Agreed: most rap albums sell becuase they are anthems of coolness and are good background music for toking up or banging your gf. But you can't disregard everything that is rhythm and lyric based. What annoys the hell out of me is that a lot of post-gangster rap (some of which is actually cool) don't want to conform to _any_ sort of standard that requires talent. A lot of rap music doesn't rhyme anymore, and most of it doesn't even have a beat. They take their sampled background, chop off about quarter second from the end and then loop it. I guess they thing it sounds cool to have an entire song that's out of sync.
>From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> >This is what I think: there's not many true one-hit >wonders any more, more like one-album wonders.
Research on this would be interesting. I, for one, have never purchased a single in my life, but I'd be willing to bet that's true for most people here. We aren't fans of songs, we're fans of bands. However, most people aren't like that. One-hit-wonders abound today in pop music as much as ever, if not more. Remember Humm, the Pres. of the USA, Tripping Daisy, or current ones like Eve 6 and the Flys? These bands will have one big single, they'll sell a lot of records, and then go away.
>faster side and Ben Folds Five on the 'college-oriented' side who have one >top forty single and are never heard from again. Just to defend BFF, they're probably done now (Brick killed them, that lowsy balled), but they had more than one popular radio song. But that's another discussion, and I'm probably the only one who likes them. They're the only band I know of with a lead singer/pianist. Sort of a cool hook, IMHO.
Like I've said before a billion times, music is cyclic. And we've entered an era where music is more of a hobby than an anthem for people to express themselves. Just listen to what you enjoy, the public will soon follow.
-davek
NP: Tripping Daisy, Elastic Firecracker (I had to)
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