YTSEJAM Digest 4682
Today's Topics:
1) Re: The Quiet Room
by "Todd Fostvedt" <tfostvedt@csu.org>
2) In the Woods
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
3) Re: cabbage rolls and coffee
by "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
4) re: Re: Re: DT guitarist 2 (and 3!)
by "Adriano/Luisa Giacomini" <algiacomini@sti.com.br>
5) Re: The Mind's Eye
by "Kevin Rackley" <KRackley@weidmuller.com>
6) LTE II & Pat Travers
by "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@aircell.com>
7) Visions of Splendour
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
8) you could be describing prog
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
9) Re: DT Guitarist Ensemble / Nevermore
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
10) Re: cabbage rolls and coffee
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
11) Re: Fates Warning suggestions
by "fateswarm ." <mlnglst@hotmail.com>
12) Re: c'mon, folks
by "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
13) DT review in Q Magazine
by "Mats Rydstr=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=m" <mats.rydstrom@slitz.se>
14) YtseRadio & Re: Pat Travers
by "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
15) Conception - this has been BOTHERING me
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:19:43 -0700
From: "Todd Fostvedt" <tfostvedt@csu.org>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: The Quiet Room
Message-ID: <8725671D.0059DA99.00@nd-mta01.csu.org>
>From: "Jeremy Kube" <inflmmbl@tiac.net>
>Hey all...
> I know that all of you have probably heard of the "new" band "The
>Quiet Room" they just recently signed with Magna Carta. If you haven't
>heard of them, they are a prog. band from Denver Colarado area. They
>totally kick ass! IMHO, they sound like Queensryche, Fates Warning and DT
>all mixed together. They are tight, very prog, very heavy and very
>intricate.
I believe they signed with Metal Blade....and "Introspect" is okay, not
excellent.
Another band from Colorado Springs is Psycodrama, and their debut "The
Illusion" is better IMO
than "Introspect." Their second album "Bent" is a little weak, though. Also
check out
Magnitude9's "Chaos to Control" with Psycodrama's Corey Brown on vocals,
and Rob Johnson
on guitars, a very good CD.
Todd
"Nigel"
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:36:52 -0500
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: In the Woods
Message-ID: <36F27D24.393090B9@home.com>
I happened to see some In the Woods discs at a local store (Omnio....
and something else). I remember hearing mention of the name on the Jam
before, but don't recall any details. Are these guys worth checking
into? Info please! =)
--- Joe D. aka Magellan jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I swear on tomorrow- If you take this chance- Our lives are this moment The music, the dance- And here in this labyrinth- Of lost mysteries I close my eyes on this night- And you're all that I see - Savatage, from "Not What You See" -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:42:41 -0600 From: "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net, ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: cabbage rolls and coffee Message-ID: <iss.3bd8.36cd947e.5a336.1@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <199902191601.LAA27221@elwood.csh.rit.edu> from ytsejam@ax.com:
> most people aren't like that. One-hit-wonders abound today in pop > music as much as ever, if not more. Remember Humm, the Pres. of the USA, > Tripping Daisy, or current ones like Eve 6 and the Flys?
Pres. of the USA had Peaches, Lump, and another that I don't remember off hand. Eve 6 can't really be used as a case yet, it's too early. They've just released their second single. Tripping Daisy, I don't know much about, and the Flys, I haven't heard of.
> Just to defend BFF, they're probably done now (Brick killed them, that > lowsy balled), but they had more than one popular radio song. But that's > another discussion, and I'm probably the only one who likes them. They're > the only band I know of with a lead singer/pianist. Sort of a cool hook, > IMHO.
I like them too, but I've never heard anything other than Brick on the radio, outside of college stations.
> Like I've said before a billion times, music is cyclic. And we've entered > an era where music is more of a hobby than an anthem for people to express > themselves. Just listen to what you enjoy, the public will soon follow.
I agree with this. During periods when the country is generally feeling good about its direction, music becomes something to have in the background while you're hanging out. It's when people are perceiving serious problems in society that music becomes more central to the way people define themselves. I think something like that will be coming soon...it tends to go in approximately five years cycles. Mid 90's, you had 'feel-good' pop/alternative and sparsely arranged r&b supplanting the grunge and gangsta rap, which had supplanted glam and male ballad belters around 89-91, which had supplanted new wave around 85, which had supplanted disco around 80, etc. Then there's always the 'underground' movements which *remain* underground, such as punk in the late 70's, thrash in the early/mid 80s; as contrasted to underground movements like hardcore rap and grunge which became a trend. Obviously, it's a continuum, not strict divisions on a timeline, but nevertheless I think that pattern can be seen.
Anyway, that's enough outta me.
-Brian
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:45:59 -0300 From: "Adriano/Luisa Giacomini" <algiacomini@sti.com.br> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: re: Re: Re: DT guitarist 2 (and 3!) Message-ID: <000a01be5c2f$b95f4740$054ee7c8@default>
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Yeah, Satch and Steve would be the perfect fit for DT's second = guitarist... Why would u put 'em there just to play rhythm guitar in = almost every song, and keep them from being probably the 2 top lead = guitarists in the world? Sure, there are lots of great guitar players = out there, I just don't think DT needs another one...
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:04:13 -0500 From: "Kevin Rackley" <KRackley@weidmuller.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: The Mind's Eye Message-ID: <s6cd535a.015@weidmuller.com>
> KorgX3 wrote: > Ah, good... I was getting this mixed up with "The Mind's Eye" computer > animated "films." I read that post and was going... "Hmm... Thomas = Dolby > does right a decent soundtrack, but it's not really prog...."=20
"Beyond the Mind's Eye" is much better. Jan Hammer does the soundtrack to = that one, it's excellent. I can really chill when I listen to that CD.
Kevin Rackley Official Soul Reason Website http://members.aol.com/rackleyk/
Currently in the car's changer:
1.) Dream Theater - Images & Words 2.) Terry Bozzio - Drawing the Circle=20 3.) Bangles - Greatest Hits 4.) Dokken - Under Lock and Key (so sue me) 5.) Jan Hammer - Beyond the Mind's Eye Sountrack 6.) ASIA - Live in Russia
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:16:21 -0700 From: "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@aircell.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: LTE II & Pat Travers Message-ID: <000101be5c2b$9224ffc0$52c926d1@AirCell.COM>
>Pat Travers, "Heat On The Street" - give it a listen.
I thought that I was the only PT fan on the 'jam! This album is really great. Not only does Pat crank out some killer riffs, Peter "Marrs" Cowling in INCREDIBLE on the bass. Even though I wouldn't catagorize this music as prog, Pat Travers was the first person to get me into instrumentals. I occasionally hear what sounds like a PT riff in JP's playing (and even more often in Nuno B.'s playing). I know that PT is doing well in the blues genre these days, but I often wish he would drop the straight blues, and make another album like HotS or Putting it Straight. The first time I ever experienced odd time sigs was the song "Crash and Burn" (and the Cars' "All I Can Do"). Does ANYONE have a copy of PT's first album (Pat Travers)? It had a mellow instrumental with great bass work starting it out. I can't find a copy of it anywhere, and my cassette has long since given up the ghost.
A special thanks goes out to webmaster of Lines In the Sand. You are doing all of us a great service by keeping us loaded with fantastic DT mp3s! I was able to download all of the Testing for Tension concert (luckily, I have a T1 at work, so it didn't take THAT long) converted it to .wav files w/ WinAmp and burned it to CDs. For an audience recording, this sounds fantastic on my car stereo. The three new songs, Another Dimension, Biaxident and Acid Rain really make me anxious for the May release date. I also really like JP's parts in the improv jam...sounds kinda like the Pantera samples that MP used during his drum solo on the LiT video.
Listening to the chemistry of JP/MP/JR on this concert also makes me very curious how things are going right now at Bear Tracks! I can't wait to see what influences JR brings to DT99!
Well, I just received my new laptop via UPS...this one's got a DVD and S-Video output!!! I'm gonna have fun this weekend! Now, if we can just get MP to produce a "Making of DT99" DVD after the CD is complete...sorry, I gotta go change my pants.
- Tom Baddley
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:21:57 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: pooch <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Visions of Splendour Message-ID: <36CD9DB5.C6D@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> I don't think DT needs more Guitars, but if it did, guys like Steve Vai > and Joe Satriani > would fit the place!!! > > PsyCh0tIc....
You want crazy? I'll show you crazy :)
Look, there's a reason they make the stage as wide as it is. Stick Morse, Finn, Satch, Vai, that Madsman worshipping punk Thal :), Johnson, Howe, and a couple of others up there all at once.
There was a song The Dregs did where, in one section of the song they (guitar, violin, bass?) start out trading measures of 1/4 notes, then 1/8, then 16ths. It kicks!
Now, imagine a run from Stage Left to Stage Right with a wall of guitarists, then they each trade off 16th notes panning up and down, then perhaps they get progressive or something and start messing with the lights :) doing intricate combinations of trade-offs.
The entire audience collapses from the intensity, thereby missing the remainder of the show. So much for that Dream :)
Their new album would be called "And Then There Were Nineteen" :)
> [Dream Theater r0x]
Hmmm...... Kinda like Pet Rocks? :) I'll get to work on it immediately.
For only a dollar-three-eighty-nine, you can have one of my new Dream Theater Rocks. By using only the most expensive lasers and mu-meson accelerators on the planet are we able to acheieve high resolution texture mapping.
Taking your favorite graphic ( perhaps a band member ), we take a plain 'ole ordinary piece of geography and turn it into something worthy.
The heck with Moshing. Smalltime :) Who in their right mind wouldn't rather take a nice cinder block, with the likeness of James getting pissed off on it, and hurling it at nearby progboy who refues to dance during the compliated 19/3 section of Metropolis 2?
bye :)
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:20:53 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: you could be describing prog Message-ID: <19990219172054.26153.qmail@hotmail.com>
> I guess they thing it sounds cool to have an entire song that's out > of sync.
read that line again, and then think of the people you've tried to get to listen to some progressive music, and then tell me you haven't heard that type of sentiment about the music you (we!) listen to......
I will criticize rap, but i wouldn't ever be caught being idiotic enough to slam the entire genre as unimaginative and uninspiring....
partha
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:29:45 -0500 From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Cc: "'psychothiz@yahoo.com'" <psychothiz@yahoo.com>, Subject: Re: DT Guitarist Ensemble / Nevermore Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC4147B3@HAMSXHA2>
>From: PsyCh0tIc <psychothiz@yahoo.com> >Subject: re: Re: DT Guitarrist 2 (and 3!) > > I don't think DT needs more Guitars, but if it did, guys like Steve Vai and Joe Satriani >would fit the place!!! > > PsyCh0tIc....
Barring the fact that DT needs a second guitarist like I need a barium enema every day for a month, I don't think a guy like Steve Vai or Joe Satriani would work in Dream Theater, only because their ego's would get in the way. Not that that's a bad thing, their having ego's, it's just that I think it'd be bad for the band.
**IF** DT were to get another guitarist, then here are some of the names popping in my head:
Andy Timmons Nuno Bettencourt (ok, so this one is a REAL long shot - see the 'ego' comment above, but his sound is just SO good....) Steve Lukather Jon Finn (those who are uninitiated into the church of Finn will be unprepared for his coming....) Dave Stewart from the Eurythmics Alex Skolnick ok, I was just kidding about Dave Stewart
And Nevermore kicks ass. To me, Nevermore is what I pictured when I heard what Opeth was like, only it far exceeded my expectations (mainly because I immediately scorn any band with cookie monster as the lead singer). Nevermore is where Metallica should have gone. If you like your music heavy, then get Dreaming Neon Black. Awesome album.
Nicholas Giannotti x6745 Joint STARS Contracts giannottin@hanscom.af.mil ---------------------------------- Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinus alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes!
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:28:27 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: cabbage rolls and coffee Message-ID: <199902191728.JAA08844@gms.gmsnet.com>
Amongst all this talk of music cycles and music industry happenings and people's tastes and record companies losing money... I have to say that there are positive signs that metal is making a huge comeback in the Los Angeles/Hollywood area...
Fear Factory recently SOLD OUT the House of Blues in Hollywood... There were people lined up outside the street TURNED AWAY!!! Do you know how hard it is to get a Hollywood club to TURN PEOPLE AWAY?!?! They usually pack the places till they burn down... This was only a couple weekends ago.
Dream Theater has played the HoB numerous times and have not even come close to selling out the 1000-1200 seat venue. Other BIG NAME acts too numerous to mention have not sold out the House of Blues...
Death recently played the Whisky AGOGO about a month ago, which holds about 500-600 and you couldn't even breath or walk in the place... Hammerfall opened.
Kind of reminisent of the glory days of thrash when Slayer was packing the Palladium on Sunset... with riots after the shows... 3000-4000 mad metalheads tearing stuff up...
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:17:30 PST From: "fateswarm ." <mlnglst@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Fates Warning suggestions Message-ID: <19990219181730.20627.qmail@hotmail.com>
>So what cd is the I&W of >fates warning, i mean the easier for a first taste?
That's not so simple. If you are into prog I'd definitely suggest "A Pleasant shade of Gray" it's their most recent album and a masterpiece :) It's purely prog rock/metal influenced by metal, marillion and god knows what else. If you want sth more soft and easy listening try "Parallels", it has great feeling. Finally if you want prog but heavy as f*** try "No Exit" or "Perfect Symmetry".
-- fateswarm
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:28 -0800 From: "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: c'mon, folks Message-ID: <199902191909.LAA10703@knight.axnet.net>
Josh writes "No repeat revenues. So manufacturers made it so it rips on purpose and solved their little revenue problem." ---- This is a phenomenon known as "planned obsolescence" and, according to an Economics professor I had a class with a few years ago, it is the very backbone of our economic structure. The example he used to illustrate this was that of the light bulb. Apparently, the first light bulb still works because Edison put decent materials in the fucker. In order for you to keep buying bulbs, the powers that be, they make 'em shitty. Yeah, they're dirt cheap, but you keep buying them when you don't really have to. Fuck DTC. NP: myself -Rahul Ananda
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:24:26 +0200 From: "Mats Rydstr=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=m" <mats.rydstrom@slitz.se> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: DT review in Q Magazine Message-ID: <199902191952.UAA06869@sp-6.sto.telegate.se>
Hi there,
as promised, although a bit late, here's the review of OiaLT from UK musi= c mag Q, march 99.
----- Dream Theater Once In A Livetime
Double live-CD from leading lights of AMerica's new prog rock movement.
Dream Theater fans are a fanatical bunch. Despite the fact that this album was recorded during a marathon Paris show lasting more than three and a hal= f hours, they still find the energy to cheer enthustiastically as they recognise tunes and even whoop enthusiastically through the track ominously titled Mike Portnoy Drum Solo. The recording quality is suspiciously pristine, but the musicianship indisputably superb, especially when the ban= d rock out on Take The Time and Pull Me Under. However, with the extended solos and the exclusion of the band's customary cover versions, Once In A Livetime is obviously targeting the already converted, who will undoubtedly wallow in it as a glorious celebration of Dream Theater's raison d'=EAtre. Others will merely feel swamped.
***
Valerie Potter -----
IMO the best professional review (except my own ones ;) of a DT album. It i= s written from a layman's point of view, acknowledging all the pros and backs it's criticisms well in a short format. They're basically giving DT some credit after all those years. It's pointless to whine that "they should hav= e given it 5 stars!!!!!!", just be happy that someone in the real, disgusting world out there at least is paying attention to what's happening in here in our nice warm community. :) See http://musiccentral.msn.com or whatever tha= t URL is for Microsoft's Music Central site, for Q:s review of Awake, also ***. Don't have the magazine, from which it's taken, on hand so I won't typ= e it in now.
Mats - lordrosse@yahoo.com - mats.rydstrom@telia.com
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:05:45 -0500 From: "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: YtseRadio & Re: Pat Travers Message-ID: <016301be5c43$3d3377e0$0200005a@Kez>
>I thought that I was the only PT fan on the 'jam! This album is really >great. Not only does Pat crank out some killer riffs, Peter "Marrs" Cowling >in INCREDIBLE on the bass. Even though I wouldn't catagorize this music as >prog, Pat Travers was the first person to get me into instrumentals. I >occasionally hear what sounds like a PT riff in JP's playing (and even more >often in Nuno B.'s playing). I know that PT is doing well in the blues >genre these days, but I often wish he would drop the straight blues, and >make another album like HotS or Putting it Straight. The first time I ever >experienced odd time sigs was the song "Crash and Burn" (and the Cars' "All >I Can Do"). Does ANYONE have a copy of PT's first album (Pat Travers)? It >had a mellow instrumental with great bass work starting it out. I can't >find a copy of it anywhere, and my cassette has long since given up the >ghost.
Now Tom, you knew you weren't the ONLY one. You'll still hear a pretty regular dose of PT on my YtseRadio Show. And yes, I DO have the self titled LP, of course. :)
If you didn't know already, my YtseJam Radio show is on from 10 - 12 PM ET, Friday and Saturday nights. You might hear some other cool stuff, too. You might even hear something you'd pick yourself. You might even actually pick it yourself, if you get on IRC and request it directly from me. And I'm not gonna tell you if I sing along or not. You'll have to tune in and find out for yourself. /me follows in the footsteps of Spine and Pix with the shameless plugs.
Thank you for your time. Kez
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:28:45 -0500 From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Conception - this has been BOTHERING me Message-ID: <Version.32.19990218214439.00dfe4b0@maila.wm.edu>
Alright, I consider myself pretty familiar with Conception. But this deal with the Black on Black lyrics being included in the Parallel Minds booklet has been a mystery for me for a LONG time. I've been searching the web, but haven't been able to locate any facts with regard to this.
I remember this having come up a while back here as well, and seem to remember somebody mumbling something (see how clear my memory is?) about a Japanese track... I dunno.. knowing how often there are extra tracks on japanese releases that are nowhere else, I thought that might be a plausible explanation. However I never heard anything about a different release of this album other than the one I have. So I am confused. The official homepage has virtually no information - esp since they have split - esp not about songs.. there is a basic discography, which does not include Black on Black for PM and also doesn't mention anything about various releases. The Noise site for Conception sucks ass as well. In short, if someone has ANY information about this, if you could tell me (private or to the jam) that would be MUCH appreciated.
Have to agree with the poster who brought this up that Tore just kicks all sorts of ass on guitar. He's on the solo album of DC Cooper too, or so I hear.. but I haven't heard that yet, and am very curious. If anyone has info on that as well that would be cool. I would love to hear that stuff! I can't imagine him in a context other than Conception.
One last thing before I go... can ANYONE point me in the direction of some Vai mp3s? Thanks once again!
Alex
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