YTSEJAM Digest 4689
Today's Topics:
1) Re: 90th Anniv JP guitar
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
2) Re: Silent Man backing vocals? Who?
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
3) Dream Theater FAQ
by The Sandman <rtameo@emerald.tufts.edu>
4) Re: LTE live mp3
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
5) Re: Dream Theater FAQ
by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
6) no DT/ check out MP3's!!!
by Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com>
7) Re: Timescape - Two Worlds
by Xanadu Records <rsch1@idt.net>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4687
by DTheater99@aol.com
9) JEM7VWH vs. JPMP4
by Robert Jurado <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
10) Re: Meshuggah and Angra counterpoint
by Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
11) Re: Silent Man backing vocals? Who?
by "Cody" <yoder@home.com>
12) LITS - From the Vaults: The Dance of Eternity
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
13) Re: Silent Man backing vocals? Who?
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
14) bands and their lastingness
by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4688
by DTheater99@aol.com
16) OIALT Question
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
17) Platypus in Europe
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
18) vai, snatriani
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
19) planned obsolescence NDTC
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
20) guitars/gathering
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:27:12 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: 90th Anniv JP guitar
Message-ID: <36D0B270.9DC63B3B@caribe.net>
Robert Jurado wrote:
> Let's say I won the lottery. Could I walk into a store and buy an
> 90th Anniversary JP model guitar?
you can order them at http://www.edromanguitars.com
heh i know ive plugged that site before..but i just find it really
cool..specially the
ones they build for you.. and some of his featured guitars..
oh and he can paint the JP design on any guitar you want too....and his
shop is damn good doing it...he even replicates satriani's wierd faces
guitar...
--
Carlos A. Alfaro
SysAdmin.: Internet Solutions Inc.
mailto:calfaro@yunque.net / mailto:calfaro@caribe.net
(ICQ)1254229
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:28:11 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Silent Man backing vocals? Who?
Message-ID: <004d01be5dfa$5ffd5e40$510d84d0@default>
>Hi. There is a well-kept secret I'm going to let out of the bag. The
>secret is that there actually is a Dream Theater FAQ (Frequently Asked
LOL! I don't think this is in the FAQ is it? I can't think of any people
who even have the SHEER audacity to even vocalize such a >pathetically<
trivial question. How ludicrous! Like, who cares anyway?!? Sheah, yeah!
If all you people actually while away your time pondering such *cough cough
John Purdell hack hack did backups cack cack* (excuse me, hairball)...
Screw this. I'm not wasting my time on the topic...
--
KorgX3 is the fountain of trivia.
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:18:13 -0500 (EST)
From: The Sandman <rtameo@emerald.tufts.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Dream Theater FAQ
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.990221201030.19173A-100000@emerald.tufts.edu>
Since it seems like a whole bunch of people are interested in the FAQ,
here it is:
http://www.ipe.tsukuba.ac.jp/~s963713/html/dt/dtfaq.htm
I read like, the whole thing right before I joined this list a couple
nights ago (in fact, that may be where I found out there WAS a list).
There's a lot of stuff there about who sings what when, what funny looking
symbols mean something, which ones don't really mean anything, and what
the hell some of these guys were thinking when they wrote some of the
lyrics (I thought the story of the collaboration on "Take the Time" was
pretty neat).
SEE YOU IN THE FUNNY PAPERS!!!
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:52:12 -0600
From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: LTE live mp3
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990221195212.0084e8b0@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
what's the URL for bogie's URL?
email me privately if you want to
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Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:45:05 -0500 (EST)
From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Dream Theater FAQ
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990221204354.7618A-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>
> Since it seems like a whole bunch of people are interested in the FAQ,
> here it is:
>
> http://www.ipe.tsukuba.ac.jp/~s963713/html/dt/dtfaq.htm
there's a slightly easier to find version (that i would trust to be - heh
- more up to date) at http://www.dreamtheater.net/faq.htm - i'd go there.
moo.
--
"You are what you eat, you fucking cannibal!"
-- KorgX3
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:51:16 -0800
From: Vaiman <vaiman@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: no DT/ check out MP3's!!!
Message-ID: <199902220152.UAA09748@smtp0.mindspring.com>
Check out my friends MP3's. He is from Kansas City. VERY TALENTED.
progressive with MANY styles. He wrote/produced and recorded
all the music.
check out: (let me know what you think))
http://www.mp3.com/music/Rock/4758.html
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:35:42 -0500
From: Xanadu Records <rsch1@idt.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Timescape - Two Worlds
Message-ID: <36D0C27E.3687@idt.net>
>=20
> TIMESCAPE - Two Worlds SWEDEN
> Rating: * * * 1997
> NETTLE SPACE PROD.
> NSP-AA001
> Time: 48:38 minutes
>=20
> This is a strong debut album from a Prog Metal band from Sweden
> with influences of Dream Theater and Queensryche. Maybe you could
> say that they are a Dream Theater clone, and you could criticise
> that they aren't that original. That was the negative things,
> here's the positive.
>=20
> The musicians are skilful and the singer is a little bit
> reminiscent of James La Brie of Dream Theater. And although he
> don't reach the same high standard as James La Brie, he's isn't a
> bad singer at all. Most notably is the bass player that is very
> talented.
With all due respect, you are on crack. Timescape sounds NOTHING like a
DT clone. If anything they sound a BIT like Queensr=FFche, but DT they
are not.
This, IMHO, is a KICK-ASS release The opening track is so far off the
map as far as what's been done previously by "Prog-Metal" bands it's not
even funny. The disc runs the gamut from sublime to in-your-face, it
took me about 20 listens before I even caught the scope of the
musicianship displayed in Silent Room Of Time. And much like
Queensr=FFche's Operation:Mindcrime, every time I listen to it I hear
something new. That's not to say it's on par with O:M, but just that
it's a very cerebral disc, there's more going on than you initially
realize. These guys are FOR REAL!
Just my opinion...
John DiBella
President/Xanadu Records
http://idt.net/~rsch1/index.html
* Be EXCELLENT to each other! *
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:00:13 EST
From: DTheater99@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4687
Message-ID: <65792a0d.36d0d64d@aol.com>
Yes there was a video for Take the Time. Its on the offical home video. Not
the new one. Images and Words: Live in Tokyo
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:07:57 +0700
From: Robert Jurado <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: JEM7VWH vs. JPMP4
Message-ID: <36D0E62C.F1E32DDF@pacific.net.ph>
any opinions?
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:07:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Meshuggah and Angra counterpoint
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990221193715.29019A-100000@swing.cds.caltech.edu>
On Sat, 20 Feb 1999 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
>
> I can't decide if these guys are musical geniuses or musical idiots.
> I have no doubt that they spend ENDLESS hours compiling the technicality
> of their songs. I have a sneaking suspicion that the 2 guitarists are
> also very adept percussionists in their own rights.
Heh. Maybe. One thing's for sure: they must have some wacked-out
counting system:).
>
> This band is a drummer's dream, folks! ;)
Haha. No shit!:)
>
> Listen to one second of track one and it sounds exactly like the first
> second of pretty much every track of the album.
Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say that every track on the album is like
that. You're right, though, there are some very strong similarities
through most of the tracks.
> I just can't decide if I like them or not. Apparently, the album I've
> listened to (Chaosphere) is their most technical and difficult to listen
> to. According to some, it's not their best either. Their talent is
That's probably the most popular opinion, that chaosphere might be their
weakest release yet. I won't agree with that yet. This CD is still hard
for me to get into, but I really haven't listened to it too many times.
Still, Contradictions Collapse, None, and Destroy Erase Improve all won me
over right away. It's hard to put my finger on why chaosphere is taking
longer to grow on me. One thing it's definitely missing is some of the
grooving riffs that were present (yes, even through the polyrhythms!) on
the other CDs, which is unfortunate, because I thought that was a strong
feature of their songs.
I believe one thing that was a major factor with chaosphere is that the
band sort of rushed through the song-writing and recording process for
this CD. I remember reading on the band's official webpage that, as
Meshuggah went into the studio, Fredrik Thordendal had some doubts as to
whether the songs were ready or not. Another thing is, the song "Sane" on
the CD strikes me as the most polished, well-thought-out (in terms of
how the song moves from one theme to the next) song on the CD. Sane was
released in '97 on an EP in much the same form that it is on the
Chaosphere CD, so it's been completed for some time now. I don't know
anything about the other songs, but I'm guessing they didn't spend as much
time working on them as they did on Sane.
> undeniable and I don't want to give up on these guys. Just thought I'd
> give my impressions of this VERY unique industrial-metal band.
Unique is right. One thing about Meshuggah is that these guys really
have carved out their own niche. If you hear a song by them, you won't
mistake them for anybody else. Very distinctive sound and playing.
Younis Hilal------------------------yhilal@cds.caltech.edu
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:30:30 -0800
From: "Cody" <yoder@home.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Silent Man backing vocals? Who?
Message-ID: <002801be5e24$767ba1c0$6a9c0018@CX685809-A.cv1.sdca.home.com>
>Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:41:48 -0500
>From: "stan tyszka" <drumguy@uscom.com>
>To: ytsejam@axnet.net
>Subject: <no subject>
>Message-ID: <199902212040.MAA26454@knight.axnet.net>
>
>
>>
>>Ok, this has been bugging me for awhile now... WHO does the backing vocals
>>on Silent Man?
>>
>>Listening to dead air for radios, it almost sounds like KM, but I can't
>>really tell... I honestly don't think its KJLB, but I might be wrong...
Can
>>anyone help straighten this out?
>
Well ummm, I would assume it's John Petrucci cuz in the Silent Man video
it's him mouthing all the background vocals.. And he usually does
backgournd vocals at concerts n stuff anyways so yeah I think it's him.
Cody Allsup
NP: Incubus S.C.I.E.N.C.E. (ever heard em?? badass crap!!)
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:35:37 -0500
From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: LITS - From the Vaults: The Dance of Eternity
Message-ID: <4.1.19990222003359.00a50910@po7.mit.edu>
I thought I'd pass this on to all of you...
Lines in the Sand update:
This week's From the Vaults selection is The Dance of Eternity,
my personal favorite Dream Theater bootleg. I also added a few
more LTE MP3s from the NAMM performance, courtesy of Dr. Mosh.
Later this week, I will be adding the 6/9/95 show to the Audio
section, complements of Adam Pye.
Thanks guys!
-Bogie
Dream Theater - Lines in the Sand
http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:51:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Silent Man backing vocals? Who?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990222004815.11104A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, Cody wrote:
> Well ummm, I would assume it's John Petrucci cuz in the Silent Man video
> it's him mouthing all the background vocals.. And he usually does
> backgournd vocals at concerts n stuff anyways so yeah I think it's him.
The person who sang the BG vocals on TSM for the recording of "Awake" was
the producer, John Purdell. It's in the liner notes AND in the FAQ. The
reason you saw JP singing the BG vocals for TSM on the video is because he
does it for all of the live performances.
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu
http://cout.ml.org/
ICQ: 2513441
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I like to go down to the dog pound and pretend
that I've found my dog. Then I tell them to kill
it anyway because I already gave away all of his
stuff. Dog people sure don't have a sense of
humor.
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 01:50:46 -0500 (EST)
From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: bands and their lastingness
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990222014519.26312A-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>
just a thought on how the average lifespan of popular bands has changed
over the years. who played at woodstock? bob dylan, jimi hendrix, etc.
these bands/artists are still well-known now. who played woodstock '94?
while its true that some of them are still around today (red hot
chili peppers, metallica), many of them aren't. who still listens to
bands like candlebox (ok i still like candlebox's first cd but that's not
the point)? and of the bands who are still around, how many will still be
household names in 20 years, when the next woodstock rolls around? just a
pre-bedtime thought from everyone's favorite cow (heh). thoughts? moo.
--
"You are what you eat, you fucking cannibal!"
-- KorgX3
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 01:53:24 EST
From: DTheater99@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4688
Message-ID: <1aa9c770.36d0fee4@aol.com>
>Ok, this has been bugging me for awhile now... WHO does the backing vocals
>on Silent Man?
>
>Listening to dead air for radios, it almost sounds like KM, but I can't
>really tell... I honestly don't think its KJLB, but I might be wrong... Can
>anyone help straighten this out?
The backing vocals on The Silent Man were done by John Purdell, who produced
the album. Check the FAQ.
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 02:01:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: OIALT Question
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990222015825.13196A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
I may be an idiot for asking this, but I don't think I remember it being
asked before. Am I hearing things or is that the introduction to A
Fortune in Lies at the very end of track 11 on the second CD? Around
2:28, just after the end of The Crimson Sunset. I could SWEAR that's
it...
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu
http://cout.ml.org/
ICQ: 2513441
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If we could all close our eyes and imagine world
peace, think of how great that would be. At least
it would be great until all the looting started.
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:02:30 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
To: Nothing To Say <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Platypus in Europe
Message-ID: <199902220802.KAA22601@xyz.estcard.ee>
]From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
> jammers comments! Please e-mail me privately. Can you find Platypus in
> the music shops in Budapest? Those on Vaci street square maybe? How much
If you, Hungarian jammers, reply to him via private email, include my
email address on the CC line as well, inasmuch as I'm coming over to
Hungary in late March (Budapest & Pecs being my main attractions again)
and if the Platypus album is available there, I sure as hell want to know
about it. (Last time I checked, the Virgin store in Duna Plaza carried
Liquid Tension, so you Magyars can't surprise me anymore.) :-)
Anxiously awaiting,
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Raivo Hool kontor raitz@estcard.ee
ICQ 19980975 isiklik raitz@ircnet.ee
Windows NT administraator istuv (+372) 6 711 450
Pankade Kaardikeskus liikuv (+372) 51 43 567
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:10:45 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
To: Nothing To Say <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: vai, snatriani
Message-ID: <199902220810.KAA22857@xyz.estcard.ee>
]From: ANGELO LOMBARDI <angelo13@home.com>
> I'll tell you what... "For The Love Of God" is the ONLY song by Vai that
> I like. Seems like the only song that he sat down & thought about it.
Did you know that Vai fasted for two weeks prior to doing the solo in "For
The Love Of God", just to be in the right frame of mind? Does that make
him a mindless wanker, as you seem to insist? ;-)
> With effects, it's MORE with Satriani. He's ALL effects. He (they)
> gets some cool sounds, but I don't know where people get by saying they
> are one of the best. I like JP, Alex Lifeson, Marty Friedman, Jason
Are effects a bad thing? ;-) That is to say defects are good... (Then
again, that may be the case sometimes.)
What you like or dislike don't make any of those musicians any greater or
lesser. Live with it. I go nuts over, say, Devin Townsend's music, some
people puke their guts all over it. You still can't deny the talent.
Likewise, open your eyes and appreciate the music, whether you like it or
not. I know I do.
Raitz
P.S. Playing "Gordian Knot" in a minute. Malone, if you're reading this,
you and the gang have come up with a masterpiece once again.
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ICQ 19980975 isiklik raitz@ircnet.ee
Windows NT administraator istuv (+372) 6 711 450
Pankade Kaardikeskus liikuv (+372) 51 43 567
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 02:24:47 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: planned obsolescence NDTC
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F3C47@ms.kallback.com>
> From: "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
> Josh writes "No repeat revenues. So manufacturers made it so
> it rips on purpose and solved their little revenue problem."
> ----
> This is a phenomenon known as "planned obsolescence"
> The example he used to illustrate this was that of the light
> bulb.
>
Three words: FUCKING WINDSHEILD WIPERS
Trust me. I know what I'm talking about. I live in Seattle.
Trevor
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 02:36:29 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: guitars/gathering
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F3C48@ms.kallback.com>
> DT does NOT need more guitars!!!!!!!
I agree.
As heard by me outside House of Blues in LA:
Some dumb guy: "Do you guys happen to need a rhythm guitarist?"
JP: "What do YOU think?"
> NP: THE GATHERING "How To Measure A Planet?"
Is this any good or any different from their last two cds?
Trevor
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