YTSEJAM Digest 4705
Today's Topics:
1) Re: nine inch n. (find the Dream T. content for me)
by "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
2) Re: Just Say NO to Vai & Satriani!!!
by rbrito@iname.com
3) a daily dose of MP3...
by Dave M Klint <davek@csh.rit.edu>
4) Re: I wanna fuck you like a ytsejammer
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
5) Re: Partha: NUNO BETTENCOURT's new solo album (NDTC)
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
6) Re: I wanna fuck you like a ytsejammer
by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
7) Eve with samples...
by Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4638
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
9) re: I wanna fuck you like a ytsejammer
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
10) Mindless lampooning and one serious answer
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
11) Re: I wanna fuck you like a ytsejammer
by "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
12) Re: Burning for Buddy 2
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
13) Re: To mp3 or not to mp3 / Re: to rag or not to rag :)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
14) Long
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:06:32 -0600
From: "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: nine inch n. (find the Dream T. content for me)
Message-ID: <iss.27b7.36d5ad44.e368d.1@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <199902250924.LAA12027@xyz.estcard.ee>
from ytsejam@ax.com:
> You seem to know as much of Nine Inch Nails as of alchemy. You know they
> both exist and have read a couple of lines on both subjects. Damn, Reznor
> has released under the name of Nine Inch Nails quite many albums, yet
> every MTV watching dude only remembers one tune - "Animal".
Actually, I've spent a couple summers with two guys who listen to NIN all the
damn time. Not that I'm any kind of authority; I don't like them much, so I
haven't bothered to become an expert.
> Remember when somebody accused Peter Steele of penning stupid lyrics, only
> because the accuser had only heard the song "Kill All The White People"
> and possibly couldn't grasp the point of the song anyway. (Okay, he was
> quickly quieted down by some excessive third party Type O quoting.)
I wasn't judging it by one line, as I've shown.
> Hell, if we started to judge Dream Theater (*) by only one line in one of
> their songs, what would we get if the line was "under the sun there's
> nothing to hide"? I don't even wanna imagine the dude on the beach, who's
> going around and showing everyone what he's got underneath that overcoat.
> :-)
Okay, Raivo, this is hilarious. Korg should take humor lessons from you. :)
-Brian
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:27:00 -0300
From: rbrito@iname.com
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Just Say NO to Vai & Satriani!!!
Message-ID: <19990220152700.B646@iname.com>
On Feb 20 1999, ANGELO LOMBARDI wrote:
> and someone that NOBODY mentions: Kai Hanson.
I didn't know that the Hanson brothers had yet another
member.
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:12:53 -0500
From: Dave M Klint <davek@csh.rit.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: a daily dose of MP3...
Message-ID: <199902252012.PAA24770@elwood.csh.rit.edu>
CyberDuke! Why? Usually I agree with your rantings, but I gotta
combat you on this one.
>From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
>of the week!". Sorry pal, maybe in USA or somewhere else, but not in
>other countries! At least not in mine! Means I DO NOT have my own money
>except the pocket money from my parents. But I try to buy my fave CDs,
Alright, you know what _really_ pisses me off: its people whining and
complaining about how hard they have it in life and that they somehow
deserve a break more than most people. That is such a liberal view
of things, and kids, it is TOTALLY WRONG! You don't have the money to
buy the CD's, tough nads! This isn't a personal attach on the Duke, but
a message to all people who rationalize pirating music becuase 'they
deserve it.' It sucks, yes, well life sucks too! When I was a kid
I didn't get _any_ sort of cash from my parents, and while all my friends
were charging hundreds of dollars on their parent's credit cards by buying
CD's and clothes, I had to work my ass off just to get enough money to
buy the CD's I like. And should you feel sorry for me becuase I had it
so rough? HELL NO! Its life, deal.
>I CANNOT find the music I like in my country!
This is foolishness. I challenge anyone to disprove the fact that we now live
in a global economy. If you can read the jam you can probably order any CD.
>What if someone if starving to death BUT also chooses to listen music?
>Can you take that right from him?
Simple answer: YES! When you have to make the choice between LTE2 and
food for a week, you gotta take the hit on the music (unless your a
ytsejammer, in which case you've already spent next months grocery money
on CD's). Do you have the "right" to steal from record companies and artists?
Do you have the "right" to comprimise the hundreds of hours put into
writing and producing the music on a CD?
>they see I'm wasting time for "MP3s thread chats". You think they CARE
>about if bands get their 20$ or not at all? C'mon, they don't care AT
>ALL. All they care is laying their hands on the music they want. End of
>story! No nightwares, no conscience-striken, nothing at all!
And you're saying that since everyone is doing it, then it should
be acceptable. That makes perfect sense. Explain that to all the
struggling prog artists trying to make a living off of a CD that sells
500 copies.
>The first dude who replied about this full-length album MP3s reuqest
>sounded like it was a matter of life and death question to him!
Is this really a problem? Are there people suffering in Kosovo and
Rawanda becuase they can't get their Platypus CD's? If this is such a
problem, email the jam and ask one of our guys in the US to buy the CD
and ship it out to him! There's an idea for ytsejam public relations:
a "CD's for the needy" fund drive.
>ago - "Ppl slowly realise that music is becoming what is supposed to be
>- free!" Think about this kinda philosophical concept!
Well, here is where we agree completly. Don't get me wrong, I completly
support the extended and unrestricted use of MP3's and their distribution
over the internet. I believe this will make the industry realize that
free or really really cheap music _is_ the way to go. A band could
distribute their music freely over the internet, and then charge the
already raping amounts for concerts and merchandise. There would be a
larger fan base because of cheaper music, thus higher attendance for the
concerts. Everyone would win. So yes, music is supposed to be free.
BUT you can't use that as a rationalization for pirating music through
MP3's. I've probably got half a dozen or so bands in my collection now
who I heard of ONLY through their MP3's on the internet. It is the
next step in audio recording, but pirating music cannot and should not be
rationalized or accepted.
/end{soapbox}
-davek
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:27:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: I wanna fuck you like a ytsejammer
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990225152615.1992A-100000@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, Brian D. Hayden wrote:
>
> Okay. Nobody cares much, I'm sure, but just to show you that I'm not coming from
> a position of ignorance, here's a more full interpretation of the song.
<snip>
Maybe the dude's just really horny and has been watching
Dawson's Creek way too much....
-Al
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:38:20 -0600
From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Partha: NUNO BETTENCOURT's new solo album (NDTC)
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990225143820.0081b510@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
>Personally, I thought "Schizophonic" was the best album of 1997, and
>"Mourning Widows" is even BETTER!! It's like Schizo, but it's also got
>more instrumental parts in songs, and I think it's more even than Schizo was.
Mourning Widows is nothing like Schizophonic, I dont think any song from
one record would fit in the other one, he did something heavier, and with
more solos, some of the solos are ver, very long...
>
>And, as usual, Nuno's vocals are brilliant. He's got a knack for writing a
>great song and a great chorus. And his guitar work is great, too.
>
yep, he does some catchy choruses indeed....
> Mike Mangini was
>playing drums for him, but left before recording, I guess. Apparently,
>Nuno's looking for a drummer.
yep, Mike played with Nuno on a couple live gigs, he left because he had
some problems with Nuno, I dont know what kind of problems but
anyway...Nuno is no longer looking for a drummer, he got one...
check news and stuff on Kramer's Korner
http://www.kramerskorner.com/extreme.html
--- http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/2025/Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico -------------------------------------------------------- TAKE NOTE OF MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: alan_estrada@bigfoot.com
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:30:47 -0500 (EST) From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: I wanna fuck you like a ytsejammer Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990225152927.10887A-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>
> From: "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> > Subject: Re: I wanna fuck you like a ytsejammer > > help me i broke apart my insides. help me i've got no soul to sell > help me the only thing that works for me. help me get away from myself" > > "i want to fuck you like an animal > i want to feel you from the inside > i want to fuck you like an animal > my whole existence is flawed > you get me closer to god"
hehe, as i read that i just reflexively went on to "you bang bang bang bang bang, blame blame blame..." hehe. all with a polka background of course. :) moo.
--
"You are what you eat, you fucking cannibal!" -- KorgX3
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:33:08 -0600 From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Eve with samples... Message-ID: <82CD0BD64E68D211BDA00060975B3ACF0332BF@BHAM-XCHG1.immpower.com>
Hey guys,
Thanx to Bogie and Lines In The Sand, I now have a very cool MP3 of Eve with samples. And I have to say that it completely rules, why didn't DT use the samples on the studio version...? The samples on DT tracks have always been a pet fave of mine (probably one of the reasons I love Awake so much), and I know Kev (who was probably mainly responsible) has kept us happy with Chroma Key, and I know that there were some (not much mind!) on FII. I guess I'm just hoping that there will be some on DT99.
I digress - anyone got any news from the studio? I hope it's quiet because they're so busy laying down the coolest of music!! Oh by the way - is it possible that Brian was fucked like an animal at one time or another and he didn't enjoy it, he seems very upset :)
Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama).
PS. Er... that was a joke...
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:41:41 -0600 From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4638 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990225144141.0079b5f0@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
>groups on my list. I don't see any harm in someone like Scarred, Prism >or myself, producing limited edition CDs for fan consumption.
I know you dont see any harm cause you get money and that's what you see, $$$ --- http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/2025/
Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico -------------------------------------------------------- TAKE NOTE OF MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: alan_estrada@bigfoot.com
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:40:57 +0000 (UTC) From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: I wanna fuck you like a ytsejammer Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.990225203912.5012A-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
Uh... after that long post from Bryan about the meanings of the lyrics of the song, I think I should just bring up that his original argument was that the song was not at all deep or meaningful, that it's just a bunch of ramblings and garbage. Uhhh... then why bother to post a full-length review of the deep meanings of the lyrics? Aren't we contradicting ourselves? Just my 8,739,642,416,954 cents.
-- Bert
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:09:05 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: A Mind Forever Ytse-ing <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Mindless lampooning and one serious answer Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990225154816.3765A-100000@gs.bass.org>
Well let me be serious first. In addressing Younis's query as to why jack has been reported, remember a key member of LTE is Tony Levin, who likes to keep a web diary at his homepage, natch. So all reports came from him, basically. Mike, I'm sure, will give us updates when he can, and he's probably a bit busy now, so just be patient.
Regarding mp3s: as a musician, I do think it's wrong to basically scalp whole albums, that are still commercially available. For the recordings that have gone out of print, or are bootlegged, it would be a very pretty, ideal world if we could let each band set up their own site to regulate distribution, perhaps even charging for access, but it only takes one "entrepreneur" to scalp the same mp3s the band would be selling. This is a capitalistic society, and there's not a lot that's gonna change. Another possibility that almost makes sense, would be to make any mp3s on a band's site read only and not d/l'able. Then the band could charge to write to a CDR, as Jason is doing @ BVB. As a fan, however, FUCK YEAH!
Finally in regards to lampooning on the jam, sometimes a little levity helps smooth some ruffled feathers. We *can* all get along, we just need to know what not to talk about. :P
PS Any jammers in the DC area who like big band music are cordially invited to attend a FREE double billing: the Pan American Swing Orchestra (of which I am a member) and the Interfack Big Band from Belgium. Location: Trinity College on Michigan Ave. NE, by Catholic University. Time: 8:00 p.m. Friday 26, Feb. 1999.
paulW
NP TLC: Fanmail ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's bimonthly musical quote:
Keep an eye on spring/ Run when churchbells ring/ It could happen to you/ All I did was wonder/ how your arms would be/ and it happened to me.
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:17:14 -0600 From: "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: I wanna fuck you like a ytsejammer Message-ID: <iss.6c5f.36d5bdd5.f02a1.1@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Bert Baldwin scrawled:
> Uh... after that long post from Bryan about the meanings of the lyrics > of the song, I think I should just bring up that his original argument was > that the song was not at all deep or meaningful, that it's just a bunch of > ramblings and garbage. Uhhh... then why bother to post a full-length > review of the deep meanings of the lyrics? Aren't we contradicting > ourselves?
It's not a contradiction at all. I did the interpretation as part of a different discussion. Someone thought it was a love song, I didn't, and I explained why. I still don't think the lyrics are particularly obvious; they're pretty self-explanatory, as far as I can see. So, I don't know about what *you're* doing, but this part of the "we" is not contradicting "ourself."
On another note, I never said the song wasn't "meaningful." I said it wasn't "deep." Anyone can get any meaning they want out of it.
Ya'll sure like putting words in people's mouths.
-Brian
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:31:35 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Burning for Buddy 2 Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990225163010.6338A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, Jason Barden wrote:
> PS- there were rumors that a second Burning for Buddy would be released, but > I've heard nothing more. Anybody got any info?
Whatever you do, DO NOT buy the second Burning for Buddy CD. I have a friend who is a great drummer and has studied everything he can about all the drummers he can find - he loved the first Burning for Buddy CD (Mercy, Mercy, Mercy and Dancing Men kick ass), but he told me that the second one is one of the WORST CDs he's ever heard. He just said that the music, the charts, and the production was just horrible.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu http://cout.ml.org/ ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "In the New Year, hold your right hand out always in friendship, but never in want." -- Irish toast -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:45:29 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: To mp3 or not to mp3 / Re: to rag or not to rag :) Message-ID: <36D5C479.59E2@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Jonathan: > >What if someone if starving to death > > BUT also chooses to listen music? > >Can you take that right from him? > WTF?? What right is this?? No one has the right to rip off someone else's > intellectual property! Either you're listening to music legally or > illegally - THAT's your choice. Personally,
I'm not taking sides, but I think what he meant was more along the lines of if you're living in a depressed society, perhaps music is all you can do to get through the day sometimes. I know, I know, situational ethics.... Maybe his example was a little extreme. I don't envision an emaciated person in Bangladesh, ribcabe popping out of their sides thinking "I gotta have the Lie MP3 just to make it through the day".
I'm not saying I defend the behavior, I'm saying I can understand from where it's coming. People some pretty interesting things when their pushed far enough into that corner. They keep getting pushed, sooner or later they're gonna start clawing their way out.
</leakage> :)
(*) Mr. Brian "Details" Hayden can feel free NOT to cite the example of the person who purposely starves themselves just to prove a point. :))) Sorry, Brian, just seems like it's in fashion to push your buttons this week :) Let's see whatcha got, tough guy. :)
> I do more service-oriented venture capital, but you can bet yer life > the recording companies are working on it!
I'd like to be a fly on the wall at some of those meetings; or maybe a stockholder in some aspirin manufacturer :) Which one though???? hmmmm.... :)
Not to mention the fingernail biting going on in all of the secondary industries which profit indirectly such as distributors, packagers, etc.
> Look at it from their side: they have to respond, or people will just pirate.
Yep, there's no turning back at this point. Someone will take a risk and be the first one on the block to come out with it.
> So they need a format which all the equipment manufacturers will agree to install,
That's the great thing about standards: there's so many to choose from :)
> and which will make pirating not worth the hassle.
Something like a dongle? Heh, that was such a cool word, but the hardware version of it pretty much fell flat on it's face :) Networking cards already have unique identifiers on them, so something similar to that built into the playback device could easily be implemented. When you want to purchase a file, you must provide that identifier, along with some other shiz like name/address for accouting purposes (and so we can e-mail spam you with monthly offers :))). What you get back is an encrypted file which will only play on that playback device. This is affordable technology which exists today.
Someone will take a risk and be the first one on the block to come out with it. As long as it can still play all those other MP3s of live bootleg, then I think it's cool. Cuz I plan on taping every single one of Ptacek's live solos. That way I don't have to purchase his CDs/MP3s when they come out :)))))
Biz: > Not technically feasible I think. Well having a music file that expires > after a given period is certainly possible. Making it so people can't > capture the audio out is not. And once digital speakers become the thing > you'll be able to hijack the signal with no quality loss. There is really > no way to protect sound (short of putting copy protection circuitry in the
You can up to a point. If the playback device doesn't make it easy to record off of. Of course, there's always gonna be someone who will take a hacksaw, cut open the case, figure the shit out and circumvent it; but do you honestly think that accounts for a high percentage? Technically it's quite feasible, I think. The question seems to me to be whether it'll be economically feasible, i.e. will people buy it? :)
> general public doesn't know a damned thing about mp3's, but people are > catching on to the whole internet thing and it's only a matter of time. > You know, the recording industry is fucked. Granted it's not going to > happen overnight, but it IS going to happen. How sad. =P
Maybe it takes a new format then, to make it work :) As I indicated earlier, it won't do anything to help the existing shit out there, but from that (or some, if it's phased in over time) point forward, all new material will be protected. I don't think the recording industry is fucked for the simple reason that there's more to keeping a band together. Studio time is expensive as hell! Not every band can afford to own/operate a studio, especially if they're starting off. They need someone to underwrite it. How about live performance? How can an upstart band tour without some serious coin? Yeah, the band could just stay at home I guess and broadcast streaming video from their backyard of them playing live :), but when I want to see a band live, I want to see them LIVE! I want to smell Mike's spit as it hurls towards John's cranium :))))
Now granted, I give you that the industry is probably a little nervous, but Jonathan hit it on the head. They have more than enough money to ride the storm out and they're not going anywhere just yet.
Brian: > If you just want to attack me and shout "close-minded" from the > wings some more, go home. :-P
Well, it's tough for me to e-mail from home, killer, so I guess I'll be waiting for you in IRC, beeotch! :)
> Isolation, hate...the feeling I get is that these feelings are > spawning from the narrator's obsession with the sex
Nice choice of word ("spawning" )in the context of the lyrics :)
Time to dredge up the evolution thread again? :) Sure!
We like to think we so advanced because we have large temporal lobes and because we can use tools and we have language. Truth is we're really only a couple of chromosomes away from our cousins swinging in the trees. We ARE animals!!! To deny it is to simply deny nature. Now go stick that in your pipe and nurture it :)
Curious though, is it getting around midterms now or something? I notice some tension coming from certain .edu adresses :) I'll see both Korg and Cole in the channel tonight, and you BETTER be there!
Peace!
:)
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:53:54 -0600 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Long Message-ID: <000e01be6109$5863fba0$e972fea9@z979811wheat.farm.niu.edu>
>From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> Since you so blatantly went picking and choosing, to make some of my statements into things that they weren't, I'm obligated to comment on your last statement first.
>P.S. Oh yeah, Ptacek, this was by no way attack on you, just commenting >the subject This was nothing BUT an attack on me. You're a dick.
>You see, this is your personal point of view. Why you define/put things >according your life?
My personal point of view? No... it's NOT my point of view. It's FACT. When you make MP3 copies of full albums, and pass them around to your friends, you're preventing the artist from getting his fair share. That's a fact and there's no way around it. If you want to say that it's "right" to do it, then we simply disagree. I'm not playing your little game though.
>Yes, we are mainly students (me too) but you put it as "we ALL work part >of the week!". Sorry pal, maybe in USA or somewhere else, but not in >other countries! At least not in mine! Bullshit. If you don't work, it means you don't have to work. If your country is in such a state that you CAN'T work then you have better things to be doing than ripping people off. What country are you in, in which students who need to work part time can't work part time? I'm interested to hear.
>Means I DO NOT have my own money >except the pocket money from my parents. But I try to buy my fave CDs, >although it's very hard! I CANNOT find the music I like in my country!
Anything can be ordered. I think I made the point that I spend a great deal of my money on import cds. I'm not telling you you have to do the same. I am telling you that you're full of shit if you don't see this as a problem. You KNOW that you're screwing someone over when you get a CDR of an album from a buddy instead of getting the album itself. If you're fine with that, live long and prosper. But don't fucking kid yourself. That's all I was saying in my last post.
>> I don't know what you guys are >> doing... but if I can afford cds,.most of you can. > >No we can't!
Okay, pin-dick, I said MOST of you. MOST of the people on this list are in the US, and other countries where the economy is similar, and students can make money on the side with their skills or by working at Burger King. If you really can't (which I question) then you are part of the minority.
>What if someone if starving to death BUT also chooses to listen music? >Can you take that right from him?
You don't need CDs to live. And NO ONE ON THIS LIST IS IN SUCH A POSITION. If you can't afford to eat how the FUCK are you online? "What if all the artists signed agreements saying that people in my country should get free copies of all the albums they release?" This shit ISN'T relevant. What's relevant is that you're trying to rationalize some kind of Robin Hoodism into a scam to which it doesn't relate.
>I don't say that we should consciously try to rip off our fave bands, >but do you think ppl with way bigger problem on their heads care about >these topics? I don't think people with such problems are members of the internet community. And problems of basic human needs do not equal problems in getting aesthetics, like music or games or shit like that. You can't make the comparison, because it is counterintuitive. You are not in such a position, if your parents are sending you to school a,d giving you money, like you yourself admit. Stop playing martyr.
>Heck, there are many ppl in my country that would beat me to death if >they see I'm wasting time for "MP3s thread chats". You think they CARE >about if bands get their 20$ or not at all? C'mon, they don't care AT >ALL. All they care is laying their hands on the music they want. End of >story! No nightwares, no conscience-striken, nothing at all! Because some people don't care if they steal or not makes it right? Good logic, spanky.
>We can't make generalisation based on our lifes.
You can't make a statement based on anything BUT your life. And what I said is not a simple generalization. Do the math. See how many members of this list are impoverished. Go ahead. It would certainly bolster your attempts to justify your bullshit.
>My mom said that when she was buying for me Joe Satriani - "Time >Machine" CD for some 40$ in America (buisness trip) ppl were looking her >like she was completely nuts!
Because in the US that album should go for $18.
>> I was so disgusted when some dude responded to this with >> "I can't afford it. > >????????? Disgusted????? Can't it be that he was speaking the truth? Do >you know him personally? Do you know his incomes? Even he if lies, some >others are really in that kind of situation, which makes this >"disgusted" statement pretty not-supported-with-facts.
You see, you monkey's scrotum, when you cut out the rest of that sentence you might as well insert your own words. The person in question was lamenting his financial state after spending thousands on guitar gear that year, But it's sad that you can't even make a point without changing what I said.
>I realise that all this MP3 stuff is really worth of analysing, what are >the influences and consequences it brings to the whole music selling >industry but don't draw the conclusion so soon! You do me the favor then, and tell me when it's okay to make up my own mind. I'll be waiting here stealing cars because I spent all my money on a pack of roasted peanuts and a cup of rain water.
>Someone said some time >ago - "Ppl slowly realise that music is becoming what is supposed to be >- free!" Think about this kinda philosophical concept!
And with that, comes the demise of all musicians. That concept is entirely ludicrous.
>Back to my studies,
Do me a favor and study harder.
>From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
>As noble a goal as it is to try and stop it the reality is that you know >deep down neither you or nor anyone else has the power to overcome the >inertia. Isn't alt.binaries.sounds.mp3 like the most accessed of all >newsgroups now with some ungodly amount (>10,000?) of posts PER DAY?
Jon, you miss the point, perhaps by my not making it clear enough. It's not my goal to stop this. But you have got to call a spade a spade... MP3s and any other way that you take money away from a musician is STILL taking money away from a musician. If you don't see a problem with it, then that's your boat... sail away. But you can not, under any circumstance, make the case that what you're doing when you trade MP3 albums doesn't screw the artist over. Some will feel that pinch much worse than others... and some may not care, but it's taking away the main source of income from many musicians when you MP3 an album and pass it around. People don't feel the pinch on the software company issue, generally because the people writing the programs aren't getting paid based on how many units they sell. You're stealing from a company, and not an individual in that case. The negative impact is further removed. It doesn't justify it, and I certainly won't pretend I'm innocent here. But I KNOW that when I get a piece of software and crack it, that it's illegal, and for good reason. I'm not pretending that it's okay, because I can't afford it, since my country is so poor and I am not allowed to work.
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