YTSEJAM Digest 4706
Today's Topics:
1) "burning for buddy" volume II
by "pete's mail" <pgilman@monmouth.com>
2) Schecter guitars
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
3) I want to fuck you while a dead hamster overplays Courtney Love...
by "Toni Maki" <tonimaki@dlc.fi>
4) re: burning for buddy volume II
by "pete's mail" <pgilman@monmouth.com>
5) Derek's keyboard solo from LITS site!
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
6) musically incorrect?
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
7) Jordan's Turn
by IceQD@aol.com
8) Re: YTSESPAM digest 4703
by Ytsejam Mailing List <ytse@goethe.baker.rice.edu>
9) Advice
by "Matija" <fmatias@peoples.com.ar>
10) Korg Rulez
by IceQD@aol.com
11) mp3s and shiznitz
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
12) Free Software Club
by subscrib@tfz.net
13) more MP3 and copies...
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
14) OIALT, etc.
by "Death Lord" <preston@in-tech.net>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4695
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:41:52 -0500
From: "pete's mail" <pgilman@monmouth.com>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: "burning for buddy" volume II
Message-ID: <0737.990225@monmouth.com>
| Jason (asked:)
|
| PS- there were rumors that a second Burning for Buddy would be released, but
| I've heard nothing more. Anybody got any info?
burning for buddy volume II came out in 1997. it features kenny
aronoff, greg bissonnette, bill bruford, steve gadd, david garibaldi,
joe morello, neil peart, simon phillips, marvin "smitty" smith, steve
smith, and dave weckl. it's on atlantic, their
number 83010-2. happy hunting!
pete
pgilman@monmouth.com
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:37:49 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Schecter guitars
Message-ID: <36D5DECC.2BDB933C@caribe.net>
A while ago someone posted the url for this brand..saying that they
looked cool and made a 7 string etc. Well now theyre selling this brand
on Musician's friend ..and theyre on a VERY low price!!! i mean they
have two different 7 string models each going for 529$!!!
--
Carlos A. Alfaro
SysAdmin.: Internet Solutions Inc.
mailto:calfaro@yunque.net / mailto:calfaro@caribe.net
(ICQ)1254229
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:35:22 +0200
From: "Toni Maki" <tonimaki@dlc.fi>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: I want to fuck you while a dead hamster overplays Courtney Love...
Message-ID: <199902252243.AAA17096@laatikko.saunalahti.fi>
..Not that it has anything to do with this post. (You guessed it: NDTC)
Amanda Rosenblum said:
>Sometimes I would come home from an awful day, feeling like a
>miserable waste of space, and somehow listening to Trent scream,
>agonize, yell, sob, and whatever else he does, made me feel like I
>wasn't alone. Just knowing that someone out there felt the same way as
>I do made me feel like maybe there was a point to my life.
> I love DT's lyrics, but in a different way. When I listen to their
>songs, I get an alternate point of view, and new insight and perspective
>into some of the events of my life
It's amazing how much songs affects our feelings both musically and
lyrically. There are also events in our lives that make a certain song
"special" to us. I think that when lyrics make us happy, sad or anything
it's because we feel somekind of connection with them and/or somehow feel
related to the writer. IMO music can make us feel even stronger emotions
than lyrics but maybe it's just me. Sometimes we get the best of both
worlds, great music AND lyrics. Althought music can make me feel a certain
emotion I usually choose an album to fit my mood and not one to change it.
When I'm down and want to listen to depressive lyrics I play i.e. Depeche
Mode and for depressive music In the Woods (has anyone gave this band a
chance?). For both I listen to Chroma Key, even if it has some "positive
vibes". When feeling especially happy I might put on Spock's Beard or Yes.
If I want music to make feel my heart explodes I listen to echolyn's Shades
(a beautiful song lyrically and musically) or Leonard Cohen (b/c of the
aforementioned "events in our lives"). When I'm o.k. (most of the time,
that is) I listen to virtually anything from Scofield to Satyricon.
Yeah. I know no-one gives a shit :) Still felt like sharing it with you.
CyberDuke wrote:
>>I don't know what you guys are
>>doing... but if I can afford cds,.most of you can.
>
>No we can't!
I need a car but I can't afford it. But I need it! Man, I need it really
bad! Oh, wait, I'll steal it! Woohoo, great idea, yes?
>What if someone if starving to death BUT also chooses to listen music?
Isn't this example a bit far out?
>I don't say that we should consciously try to rip off our fave bands,
>but do you think ppl with way bigger problem on their heads care about
>these topics?
>Heck, there are many ppl in my country that would beat me to death if
>they see I'm wasting time for "MP3s thread chats". You think they CARE
>about if bands get their 20$ or not at all? C'mon, they don't care AT
>ALL. All they care is laying their hands on the music they want. End of
>story! No nightwares, no conscience-striken, nothing at all!
This doesn't really give an impression of poor, poor Macedonian students
starving to death while struggling with problems bigger than life itself.
It gives an impression of greedy and selfish buggers. I'm not trying to
insult you but that's what it sounds like.
>We can't make generalisation based on our lifes.
Umm... like... you just did, didn't you?
>>I was so disgusted when some dude responded to this with
>>"I can't afford it.
>
>????????? Disgusted????? Can't it be that he was speaking the truth? Do
>you know him personally? Do you know his incomes? Even he if lies, some
>others are really in that kind of situation, which makes this
>"disgusted" statement pretty not-supported-with-facts.
So what if he was speaking the truth? If he can't afford it he doesn't buy
it and doesn't listen to it. Money's not an excuse. That might sound cruel
but hey, life blows more than a fullsize windband.
And just for the record, my financial situation is exactly the same as
your.
>The Grunge thing was quite big and brought great fresh blood:
>
>Soundgarden (pioneers)
I've heard only a few of their songs but I want to hear more before I rush
into any conclusions. Perhaps you'd like to recommend something from these
guys.
..or perhaps after my post you wouldn't...
Rogerio Brito wrote:
> BTW, let met mention that "My Arms, Your Hearse" is *MUCH*
>heavier than their previous efforts (both "Orchid" and
>"Morningrise"). If you have problems with very heavy music, then you
>might want to try "Morningrise" first, for 50% of the album is
>acoustic and melodic.
This is good to know. When I heard you rave about Opeth as somekind of
black metal/prog crossover I was a bit dissapointed with My Arms, Your
Hearse. The dissapointment didn't last long as it's still a great disc, but
I expected something proggier. Guess I'm bound to get Orchid and
Morningrise next.
------------ tonimaki@dlc.fi ---------------
| There are three kinds of people; |
| Those who can count and those who can't. |
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:56:49 -0500
From: "pete's mail" <pgilman@monmouth.com>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: re: burning for buddy volume II
Message-ID: <7747.990225@monmouth.com>
Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
| (my friend) told me that (burning for buddy volume II)
| is one of the WORST CDs he's ever heard. He just said that the music, the
| charts, and the production was just horrible.
in point of fact, burning for buddy volumes I and II were recorded at
the same time and mixed at the same time. while never intended to be
big-budget productions, both are, in this writer's
opinion, extraordinarily true to the sound and feel of rich's own
releases during his prodigious career, fit tributes to his genius,
and wonderful musically on their own merit.
pete
pgilman@monmouth.com
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:23:33 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: YtseLand <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Derek's keyboard solo from LITS site!
Message-ID: <36D56AF5.D6C2EF7C@mol.com.mk>
Oh man, this one is a MUST HAVE!
I loved Derek for this kidan sounds. How does he fake that guitar
overamplified feedback sound on keys?
Someone said Derek plays part of Eruption here, .. can someone tel what
part is it??
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:49:46 EST
From: DragynLMC3@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: musically incorrect?
Message-ID: <9646ae16.36d5d38a@aol.com>
ok, i was trying (unsuccessfully i might add) to get into the bvb site when i
went to the next site of the GoatLord webring and found twocritics.com. And
what should they have a a music review page than LTE?
check it out, pretty kewl
<A HREF="http://twocritics.com/">http://twocritics.com/>
~Lisa needs to stop spending money on cds
Dragynlmc3@aol.com
"Life is pain, princess." ~the dread Pirate Roberts
My Page~~> http://members.aol.com/dragynlmc3/index.html
The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time. -Bertrand Russell
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:53:28 EST
From: IceQD@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Jordan's Turn
Message-ID: <4fd79e9a.36d5d468@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/24/99 8:57:12PM, you write:
Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk> mused:
>I can't remember who it was, but someone warned me that the 'Jam
>would soon start bitching about JR.
>And so it begins.
>
Well actually it was me. Remember this? The phrase 'I told you so' springs
to mind ...
Subj: Ode to Jordan
Date: 2/11/99
To: ytsejam@ax.com
"Oh come let us adore him
Abuse and then ignore him
No matter what, don't let him be
Let's feed upon his misery
Then string him up for all the world to see ..."
]From 'Another World' (A Change of Seasons V) lyrics by Mike Portnoy!!!
Ice
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:54:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytse@goethe.baker.rice.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: YTSESPAM digest 4703
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990225113733.4033B-100000@goethe.baker.rice.edu>
> the bands that don't make it. There are no album production costs. Just a
> little server space and an e-commerce program. How hard is that? Bands
I think some people on this list (I'm not pointing any fingers) have
little understanding of how the recording industry works. So here's two
important facts to remember :
1)Creating an album costs money. Lots of it. The actual creation
of the physical cd represents virtually NONE of the cost of the cd.
Studio time, producers, extra musicians, etc -- these add up quickly. Now
musicians who already are rich can own their own studios, produce their
own albums (they usually are experienced enough by this point to do it),
etc. However, very few musicians are rich -- the ONLY reason their albums
are created is because a record company decided to invest in them. The
internet can not eliminate these costs.
2)Again, few musicians are rich -- most are middle class or below.
When you make mp3's of their studio albums, you are depriving them of
their livelyhood. Now, mp3's are certainly good for some things. I
own piles of bootleg dt mp3s, and this isn't costing the band money
because they are not planning to release these. It is unethical, however,
to steal from these people. You are shooting yourself in the foot -- if
the musicians cannot make money, they are going to go into another line of
work. Music is about many things, but is it right to steal one of the few
ways a working musician can subsist. They have to eat too, you know.
-Andy Putman
ps - If this sounds a little disjointed, I'm running about a 101 degree
fever right now. damned flu!
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:53:51 -0300
From: "Matija" <fmatias@peoples.com.ar>
To: "ytsejam mail list" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Advice
Message-ID: <002b01be6112$fa3167c0$3c710ed1@matiasfr>
Hi Jammers
What "Fates Warning" cd i should buy?
Please give me your advice. Thanks.
Ag.
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:16:40 EST
From: IceQD@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Korg Rulez
Message-ID: <1c74fee9.36d5d9d8@aol.com>
Korg just had to break some eggs (tee hee)
>Hehehe. "Brian" <= "scrambled brain." You fight logic with nonsense. Your
>inflated head bears no resemblance to Rossane's fat, bloated ass, but I do
>believe a few comparisons can be drawn between the two. It's sad that if
>you opened your mind for a moment, you'd drown in your own fecies.
>
>
Korg, I want to have your babies, are you sure you're not really DS? ........
[ Umm no she doesn't really, slap! ... Fire ]
Ice
PS: But at least The Brain (Animaniacs) doesn't write those long 'uns like CP
AND !!!!!
'Sex in Ytsejam City' "Larry" <ldo@uswest.net> exploded
(hehehehehe now don't forget to wipe the wall)
Subject: I wanna fuck you like a ytsejammer
<SNIP ...... Ever lose your self in the raw, animal lust
of hot, sweaty sex until you finally explode in orgasmic pleasure????>
Frequently
Ice
[Oi missus, stop publicising the fact that i can keep it up all nite ..Fire]
Some Brits do, some Brits don't .............
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:24:36 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: mp3s and shiznitz
Message-ID: <199902252324.PAA02738@gms.gmsnet.com>
Serious folks, this kind of debate can spawn entire mailing lists and web
sites... we don't really need to do it here on ytsejam... the fact of the
matter is... if you have a computer powerful enough in most cases, to play
mp3s... you CAN afford to buy CD's... and being in a country where the
actually media is hard to get is no excuse, if you're sitting here, on the
internet, arguing... you can also head over to an online mail ordering
store and order the CD...
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:46:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: more MP3 and copies...
Message-ID: <19990225234635.9021.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com>
Dave M Klint <davek@csh.rit.edu> wrote in response to CyberDuke:
>>I CANNOT find the music I like in my country!
> This is foolishness. I challenge anyone to disprove the fact that
we now live
> in a global economy. If you can read the jam you can probably order
any CD.
I may have to address this challenge. The whole world isn't the U.S.
Sure there's a "global economy", but there are things that hinder
that. There's still places in the world where anything of value is
STOLEN by the local mailman/customs agents. There's also the problem
of currency exchange rates, and shipping/insurance costs (if they'll
ship there at all.) And how do you pay? Even though it seems that Visa
will give a credit card to anyone, they don't give out cards to every
war-torn corner of the world. And forget cash or checks, that doesn't
make it past the mailman either. This can dramatically raise the
relative price of a disc. Would you purchase a disc if it cost the
equivalent of $200 U.S. currency?
On the issue of copies:
> Explain that to all the struggling prog artists trying to make a
> living off of a CD that sells 500 copies.
I think you'd have to call that a hobby, not a living... If you're
only selling 500 copies, you'd be LUCKY if it got duped a thousand
times and you got that much exposure.
As for this whole issue of copying, I still think it's a non-issue.
Taping has been around forever, and it hasn't hurt the music industry.
The majority of music listeners purchase the real deal. They pick-up
the official disc, with all the nice artwork, and everyone gets their
money. The average person doesn't have the time, know-how or interest
to run around trying to get a "copy".
The real issue around copying is when some rouge manufacturer in
Bumphuc, Cambodia decides to run off 500,000 copies of a recording,
and duplicates the original packaging. That's a real problem. But the
record companies and their legal armies are usually on top of that
pretty quick.
my $.02, BH
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:35:13 -0500
From: "Death Lord" <preston@in-tech.net>
To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: OIALT, etc.
Message-ID: <003701be611f$e0306120$11a51fd0@Customer.in-tech.net>
I was listening to OIALT disc one today, and is it just me, or does that
version of JLMB just kick ass! I prefer it over the FII version, simply
because JP rips me a new asshole with his sound. I hope JP incorporates
that crunch in DT99.
I've mentioned it before, but Derek really shines on OIALT also. I
really like his distorted guitar sounds.
I noticed that in the chat transcript of Jordan's recent chat, that he
is unfamiliar with some of DT's lesser-known things. I wonder how long it
will take for him to know it (if ever at all). I wonder if Derek had even
heard some of the early stuff such as the Majesty demos for example. I
don't think it's a necessity for a new member to know all of the early demo
material or whatever, but I would think it would help to be more integrated
into the band and its fanbase.
Maybe we'll get an update on DT99 when the guys take a break this coming
month for a birth (Portnoy's ?).
About the tribute thing: I really see nothing bad about it. If you
don't like the idea for whatever reason, just don't get it. I probably
won't get it either, but it would be interesting to hear. Not only that,
but it is supposed to have some originals also, so it's kind of like "If you
like DT, you may like ______."
I was surprised to see so much digests in my inbox. I was thinking MP
said something about the new album, which prompted responses. Oh well.
Just MP3 and NIN talk.
Death Lord
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:41:20 -0600
From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4695
Message-ID: <000d01be6129$1d5dea00$e35299d1@default>
Hi Scott,
I prefer stereo headphones , but you may not want something that big. Have
you tried cotton balls pushed in as far as they'll go. They may not
completely block the ear canals but they should block some of the abrasive
"high end" sound.
Mike
Homewks@Sound.Net
>
>
>ATTENTION ALL DRUMMERS:
>
>Just a question for you....I think I have smaller ear canals that most
>people or something because ear plugs just WON'T go in for me. Just
curious
>if anyone else out there has this problem and what their solutions are.
Any
>help is greatly appreciated, but please, not on the jam as I'm sure most
>people don't want to hear about my too small ear canals :)
>
>Scott.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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