YTSEJAM Digest 4707
Today's Topics:
1) NDTC: Looking for Dennis DeYoung "Desert Moon"
by MTeiper@aol.com
2) lyrics
by "brian L skinner" <brian.l.skinner@gte.net>
3) I must rejoice
by "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
4) to lighten the mood around here
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
5) Fates Warning
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
6) NIN, MP3, and DT...Oh My!
by cmartin@blueridge.net (Chris & Shelly Martin)
7) Re: Derek's solo (6/9/95)
by Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
8) leslie speaker cabinet
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
9) Re: to lighten the mood around here
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
10) Some help with flamenco guitarists....
by Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
11) hey, you mp3 experts!
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
12) Re: hey, you mp3 experts!
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
13) re: fates warning
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
14) re: mp3s
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
15) Re: NIN, MP3, and DT...Oh My!
by jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net>
16) NEVERMORE (setlist)!!!!!!!!!!!
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
17) The end of the NIN debate
by "Larry" <ldo@uswest.net>
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:06:48 EST
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: NDTC: Looking for Dennis DeYoung "Desert Moon"
Message-ID: <64147ab2.36d601b8@aol.com>
Supwitchall -
A little NDTC here, my wife has been looking for an out of print CD by Dennis
DeYoung called "Desert Moon" for a LONG time. I think it was released in 1984
or something. If anyone has an original CD they want to get rid of, or even
make a CDR copy of for me, I would GLADLY purchase it. Or we can work out a
trade, although I don't have the capability to dub vids or burn CD's.
Private e-mail please.
Thanx in advance..... Matt T.
NP: Heathen "Breaking the Silence" <-- HELL YEAH!!! :-)
Next Up: Nuclear Assault "Game Over/The Plague" <-- DOUBLE HELL YEAH!!!
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:51:52 -0700
From: "brian L skinner" <brian.l.skinner@gte.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: lyrics
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there was in my opinion a big drop off. I think his keyboard playing =
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:14 -0800
From: "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: I must rejoice
Message-ID: <199902260319.TAA10654@knight.axnet.net>
I had to celebrate someplace, so it may as well be here.
For the first time in 86 days, it hasn't precipitated
in any way shape or form. I actually saw the sun! For
awhile! I think I'll take a drum outside and play it.
Seattle rules
-Rahul Ananda
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:53:53 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: to lighten the mood around here
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990226035353.0129e798@pi-r-squared.com>
Considering how every one is always posting their DT moments of the
day: here's mine.
Our dorms were a show for live bands tonight, and there was a band
performing called Six West. They're a funk/ska ish type band but they have
some really good musicians playing with them, and they're definitely one of
the better live acts around here. Anyway, me and this other drummer went up
to talk to their drummer after the show (I had been impressed with his
playing and his setup) and we somehow got to mentioning drumming idols. THe
person I was with started ranting about Bozzio and got a word in that I was
a Portnoy fan. Six West's drummer then turned to me and said "oh you would
get along great with our percussionist." So they called him over (he had
been playing timbales and some hand percussion) and it turned out the guy
was a really big DT fan. I updated him on the news, and he was really
surprised to hear that Derek was gone, and that Jordan was their new
keyboardist. We then talked for a while about Portnoy, DT, drumline, etc.
Blah: the influence is spreading, this guy teaches a drumline at a
highschool. That's all for today. blah.
Palpatine
Co Founder of Pi-R-Squared productions: www.pi-r-squared.com
"Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel
"What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
"Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage:
Somewhere in time
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:57:44 -0500
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Fates Warning
Message-ID: <36FB05B8.740EF282@home.com>
Matija wrote:
> Hi Jammers
> What "Fates Warning" cd i should buy?
> Please give me your advice. Thanks.
All of them. =)
Seriously though...... it depends on what you're into.
Go with -A Pleasant Shade of Gray- (my personal favorite) if you like
deep, thoughtful, kinda Pink Floyd-ish type stuff (emphasis on KINDA....
it's heavier, and much different.... but there are similarities).
If you want something of a moderate prog-metal, get either -Perfect
Symmetry- or -Parallels- (probably the former is better)
If you're into prog with an 80's metal sound (w/ high vocals) get -No
Exit-.
If you want to get a sampling of their stuff, get their best of disc,
-Chasing Time-.
Or if you want something that's kinda commercial sounding (w/some nice
vocal melodies) get -Inside Out-.
They also have a great double live CD (very cheap too, for a 2CD set)
called -Still Life-.
--- Joe D. aka Magellan jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I swear on tomorrow- If you take this chance- Our lives are this moment The music, the dance- And here in this labyrinth- Of lost mysteries I close my eyes on this night- And you're all that I see - Savatage, from "Not What You See" -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:09:56 -0400 From: cmartin@blueridge.net (Chris & Shelly Martin) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: NIN, MP3, and DT...Oh My! Message-ID: <v01530500b2fbaf2ac8d9@[205.152.121.23]>
It's kind of weird this NIN thread. My wife recently "discovered" NIN and has purchased (much to my chagrin) several of their CD's, which I have been forced to endure. In fact, I had the chance to litsen to them all in a row. Now, for starters, I already had a major dislike for his "music"( c'mon, let's face it NIN is Trent). And after listening to 4-5 NIN CD's, I came to the realization, I REALLY DON'T LIKE NIN! IMHO, of course. It all sounded the same. Literally! I couldn't differentiate from one song to another. Admittedly, some of the more guitar heavy stuff was bearable, but there is only so much screaming, drum machined, keyboard crap a person can take! If you like them, fine. I'm not going to change your opinion about that. I just needed to vent a little about him due to the torture I've had to endure recently!! : )
Now, for the MP3 thread, I don't know a whole lot about MP3's because I'm using a very old Mac and I don't have the software to listen to them. I'm coming more from a musician/bootleg collector standpoint. We all know that eventually the corporate execs at the labels are going to milk the Internet to distribute their bands music (already happening, to some degrees). The whole "pirating of music" topic has been on-going since recording began (or at least when alternate methods of music distribution became available other than LP's {God I miss them!}) Between bootlegging shows, to dubbing a friends copy of a new CD, bands have been getting shit out of money for years, *by the fans*. Of course, some execs shit bands, too, but I guess my point is, it's going to happen eventually, I just hope that it doesn't turn into something that will cause some bands to stop playing (an extreme, but still a possibility). Or, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about (happens sometimes, I know!)
!!!*DT CONTENT*!!!- I don't know what the policy is about this, but I would love to get my hands on copies of the past Xmas albums. E-mail privately if you have them and would like to part with them!! We can work out some kind of arrangement!! Also, anyone that could explain MP3 or could direct me somewhere to learn more about them, LMK! I'm new to the comp, and like I said, I'm using an older model!! : (
Thanks, Chris Martin cmartin@blueridge.net
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:15:09 -0500 From: Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Derek's solo (6/9/95) Message-ID: <4.2.0.25.19990225231239.00a68490@pop.mindspring.com>
At 05:54 PM 2/25/99 -0800, you wrote: >Oh man, this one is a MUST HAVE! >I loved Derek for this kidan sounds. How does he fake that guitar >overamplified feedback sound on keys? > >Someone said Derek plays part of Eruption here, .. can someone tel what >part is it??
You're right, good solo. Eruption is right around 2:25 of that track... Right before Erotomania starts...
Glad you enjoyed the show. Take care all...
-Please Notice New Email Address!- __________________________________________________ Adam Pye (Alpine) alpine1(-at-)mindspring.com ICQ: 9382967 http://www.mindspring.com/~alpine1 ^^ Above URL for MP3 of the Week and Tapelist w/ Setlists __________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:11:04 -0800 (PST) From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam dream theater <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: leslie speaker cabinet Message-ID: <19990226051104.24596.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com>
Ok a friend of mine is thinking about purchasing a leslie speaker cabinet from some guy and is wondering what kind of offer to make. The cabinet is the '900' model. I know that it's in good condition but thats all I know. I thought that someone on this list ( there is always someone on this list that has some answer, thats why the ytsejam rulz) could help me out. So can somebody help me out. What might be a good price to start bartering?
Private email so we don't clutter the jam.
Thanks
== John Parks jpyyz@yahoo.com
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:20:40 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: to lighten the mood around here Message-ID: <199902260520.VAA07144@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Brad Plumb thus begged: > >keyboardist. We then talked for a while about Portnoy, DT, drumline, etc. >Blah: the influence is spreading, this guy teaches a drumline at a >highschool. That's all for today. blah.
Funny how that is... one of my friends who is a huge prog/power metal fan is a drumline instructor and "makes" his students listen to stuff like Dream Theater, Fates Warning, Terry Bozzio... and this guy teaches more than one high school and has numerous private students... so there is still hope the younger generation will be exposed to the good sheeit...
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:17:42 +1000 From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Some help with flamenco guitarists.... Message-ID: <36D63C86.F5E6D7D4@winshop.com.au>
Hello Jammers,
A query for a friend of mine; being quite an accomplished guitarist in the rock discipline side of things, he is now looking at broadening his styles into the flamenco/latin area.
Having little idea where to start, he asks me to ask here; can any guitarists here on the jam reccommend some artists to check out in the flamenco/latin style guitar that would still satisfy his thirst for virtuosity?
FYI, his major influences come from Vai and Petrucci (yeah, what else?).... any help would be muchly appreciated.
Thanks,
Luke.
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 01:38:56 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: hey, you mp3 experts! Message-ID: <36D64180.C8FA3002@bigfoot.com>
I download lots of stuff from bogie's site, it's great. Of course, DT songs are nothing if not long. So you can imagine my annoyance every time a network error occurs, which is often. I believe that there is someway to continue the download, using the regular file saving method, but i'm not sure how.
The reason I think that it's possible, though, is that yesterday, I was getting CiaW and Showdown, and both times, there was a network error, and both times, when I went to get the file again, it AUTOMATICALLY just downloaded the final chunk, and attached it! Normally, of course, it just asks if you want the file replaced and you have to say "yes" and sit there, watching the final file size ebb up, byte by byte, while all your friends go out for valentines day and you go cry into a pillow.
Anyway, I have been unable to replicate this file apend thing. anybody help me?
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel Churchill's description of history: "It's just one damn thing after another."
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 01:49:23 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: hey, you mp3 experts! Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990226014559.11258A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, Joshua Rasiel wrote:
> The reason I think that it's possible, though, is that yesterday, I was > getting CiaW and Showdown, and both times, there was a network error, > and both times, when I went to get the file again, it AUTOMATICALLY just > downloaded the final chunk, and attached it! Normally, of course, it > just asks if you want the file replaced and you have to say "yes" and > sit there, watching the final file size ebb up, byte by byte, while all > your friends go out for valentines day and you go cry into a pillow. > > Anyway, I have been unable to replicate this file apend thing. anybody > help me?
Well, if you have the latest versions of Netscape or Internet Explorer, it's SUPPOSED to resume HTTP transfers for you. I don't know how much I really trust this, however. I have, though, found that Netscape is usually good about it - even when I tried to save the file under a different name. If you notice, when it resumes, it reports a different total file size upon downloading. It scared me once - I figured it would just tag it onto a dialog box with some of the data already downloaded - but it didn't.
If you REALLY want to be sure that you get resumed file transfers, use GetRight (if you have a PC. I don't know if there is a version for Mac OS). I have found that in terms of customizability and reporting things correctly, GetRight is definitely the way to go. If you're a modem user, it's invaluable as well, because you can set a transfer to go at night and have GetRight disconnect you at a certain time. That way if you don't finish the transfer, you can have it go the next night as well!
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu http://cout.ml.org/ ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "In the New Year, hold your right hand out always in friendship, but never in want." -- Irish toast -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:19:03 PST From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: fates warning Message-ID: <19990226071903.9111.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Hi Jammers >What "Fates Warning" cd i should buy? >Please give me your advice. Thanks.
"a pleasant shade of gray" and "no exit" are my personal favs..
inferno
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:28:35 PST From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: mp3s Message-ID: <19990226072835.1046.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Serious folks, this kind of debate can spawn entire mailing >lists and web sites... we don't really need to do it here on >ytsejam... the fact of the matter is... if you have a computer >powerful enough in most cases, to play mp3s... you CAN afford >to buy CD's... and being in a country where the actually media >is hard to get is no excuse, if you're sitting here, on the >internet, arguing... you can also head over to an online mail >ordering store and order the CD... > >-The Doc
just for clearity's sake.. i'm a big supporter of mp3's but i also spend close to 200$ a month (which is a lot considering my meager income) on cd's, most of which i allready have the entire albums of in mp3 format.. i just think it's a great means for research and promotion if people will use mp3's in an manner that doesn't rob from the artist.. anyways.. doc's right.. probably shouldn't keep this thread alive any longer.. at least not on the jam.. if you really feel the need to respond you can always e-mail me privately..
inferno
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 01:31:21 -0600 (CST) From: jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: NIN, MP3, and DT...Oh My! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.990226012755.28034A-100000@darkhorse.triad.net>
On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, Chris & Shelly Martin wrote:
| the realization, I REALLY DON'T LIKE NIN! IMHO, of course. It all sounded | the same. Literally! I couldn't differentiate from one song to another.
and to non-DT fans, all DT sounds the same. and to non-prog fans, all prog sounds the same. and to non-rap fans, all rap sounds the same. and to non-techno fans, all techno sounds the same.
i used to (not) think along similar lines. but then i actually listened to the music, not just heard it.
learn to swim...
-- john jens + jjens@webzone.net + http://www2.webzone.net/~jjens
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 03:01:29 -0500 From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: NEVERMORE (setlist)!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <36D654D9.E347A269@earthlink.net>
Hail people,
God himself (Warrel Dane) posted the European setlist on the NEVERMORE discussion board at their official website: http://www.thee.demon.nl/nevermore/main.html
Damn I cannot wait to see them in the states....whoever has not bought "Dreaming Neon Black" shall baste in the suffocating furnaces of hell...or forced to listen to a Backstreet Boys album for eternity......
cheers, Carlo
NP: SKYCLAD "Old Rope" ..."If life is sweet - then I'm diabetic....The future looks rosy - I just went colorblind" <---f'cking brilliant...HAIL SKYCLAD!!!!!!!!
----------------------------------------------- here's the setlist for Europe... Beyond Within The Death of Passion This Sacrament Next In Line What Tomorrow Knows I Am the Dog Dreaming Neon Black Deconstruction Future Tense Precognition 42147 Poison Godmachine No More Will The Sorrowed man Battle Angels The Seven Tongues of God
-- "When you know that your time is close at hand maybe then you'll begin to understand Life down here is just a strange illusion."
--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 01:53:56 -0700 From: "Larry" <ldo@uswest.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: The end of the NIN debate Message-ID: <00ae01be6165$a8db7b60$04000005@lxodneahome>
OK, I'm sick of this thread, too. First of all, I didn't know all of the lyrics. Brian, thanks for sending your analysis, even though I don't quite agree. At worst, I think the "narrator" is pretty pathetic, judging by the lyrics in the verses. Co-dependent? Maybe. But you wouldn't BELIEVE the ignorant e-mail I got from another 'jammer who thought the whole song was about rape. Netiquette prevents me from reposting his message. But I might just post my retort to him.
>The much-debated lines. This doesn't make me think of love, especially "my whole >existence is flawed." "You get me closer to god," I don't quite know what to >make of; it's the only "deep" thing in this song, to me. Of course, "deep" is >right up there with "prog" in the Hall of Fame of subjective words to throw >around. It may be an expression of the sexual high.
Aha! You got it! Here's part of my aforementioned retort -
>I think the line "You get me closer to God" was meant very sincerely, and >was actually a shockingly profound and sweet sentiment, buried in the >middle of a rather raunchy song. The first time I heard it, I was blown >away. Most of the religions of the world regard sex as a sacred and >holy act, and many actually profess that it is a way to get "closer to >God". But YOU <<not you, Brian - the other guy>> say that this is how >a rapist feels while performing rape. I don't know what to tell you, man. > You got problems . . .
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. This shit is getting silly.
Now . . . thanks to those of you who responded to my question about Doug Pinnick's "Poundhound". I ordered it today. As far as Ty Tabor's solo project, IMO it's really good, but not quite as good as most KX albums. It tends to be a lot softer, and quite a bit of acoustic stuff in there. I really love some of the songs, but I'm afraid some of you proggers wouldn't like it.
OK, I'm done. Buh-bye!
Larry
p.s. I wiped off the wall - thanks for reminding me, Ice!
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