YTSEJAM Digest 4708
Today's Topics:
1) and here it cometh again
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
2) GREAT LEMUR VOICE NEWS !!!!
by "Coenen, Marcel" <marcel.coenen@libertel-vs.nl>
3) re:Advice
by cmartin@blueridge.net (Chris & Shelly Martin)
4) re: more MP3 and copies...
by cmartin@blueridge.net (Chris & Shelly Martin)
5) DT tribute
by Yekeke <dtsux@hotmail.com>
6) Jon finn-NDTC
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
7) MP3 stuff
by "Martin" <mpb@netlab.sk>
8) Re: Attention All Drummers
by David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
9) FS:Unopened Angra cds (NDTC)
by Kevin <kvill@flash.net>
10) Skinlab/Lacuna Coil/Skyclad (N. Gallop reviews)
by Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
11) White Blues
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
12) Re: MP3
by psull@ici.net
13) prog in grammies
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
14) Re: Some help with flamenco guitarists....
by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
15) Re: hey, you mp3 experts!
by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
16) Re: MP3
by Andy Putman <ytse@goethe.baker.rice.edu>
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:11:17 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: and here it cometh again
Message-ID: <199902260911.LAA17753@xyz.estcard.ee>
]From: "brian L skinner" <brian.l.skinner@gte.net>
> I don't know maybe its just me but it seems like ever since kevin moore =
> left the lyrics to the songs are not quite as stirring or thought =
Bla bla bla. Do yourself a favor and unsubscribe. Or at least get out of
the write-only mode.
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:35:33 +0100
From: "Coenen, Marcel" <marcel.coenen@libertel-vs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam mailinglist'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>,
Subject: GREAT LEMUR VOICE NEWS !!!!
Message-ID: <c=NL%a=_%p=Liberfone%l=HERCULES-990226093533Z-2819@poolster.intra.liberfone.nl>
Hi to all of you,
We have some GREAT news for you all !!!!
Lemur Voice is going into the studio at March 15th until the end of
April, to record the second CD "Divided".
This CD shall have 10 tracks, including a cover song from the song "Beat
It" from Michael Jackson in a typical Jazzy Lemur Voice version.
Please check out the Lemur Voice homepage for additional information, on
the site I will update weekly a studioreport, maybe place some samples
etc etc.
There is one COMPLETE livesong on the page from a new song called
"Solilocide" which we also will record for the new album.
We are still searching an American deal/partner, hereby I want to
publically thank Mike Ostrich, alias Syrinx, for all the help in this, I
hope we will find one together with him, Mike you rule !!
Anyway, the album will come out somewhere in May/Beginning of June, here
also the concerts will start, we have some setup already in The
Netherlands:
Saturday, march 27th - Koornbeurs, Delft
Friday, June 11th - Azijnfabriek, Roermond
Saturday, June 12th - Kasteel, Alphen a/d Rijn
Saturday, June 19th - T Web, Hoogvliet (Near Rotterdam)
Saturday, June 26th - Canix, Lottum
I also finished my Solo-CD which I recorded totally at home !!!!!! There
are two complete songs from this CD at my website !!! Check out the
soundsamples page .... If U want to buy this CD check out the site how
to do this.
http://www.cobweb.nl/mcoenen/welcome.htm
Greetings and we hope to finish this album soon for all our fans out
there !!
Marcel Coenen
Marcel Coenen
Guitarist
Lemur Voice/Time Machine
website: http://www.cobweb.nl/mcoenen/welcome.htm
E-mail: mcoenen@cobweb.nl (home)
marcel.coenen@libertel-vs.nl
Icq: 22168027
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 04:50:54 -0400
From: cmartin@blueridge.net (Chris & Shelly Martin)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re:Advice
Message-ID: <v01530502b2fbc5d50966@[205.152.121.78]>
>Hi Jammers
>What "Fates Warning" cd i should buy?
>Please give me your advice. Thanks.
>Ag.
The first one I ever got was "No Exit". I also like "Parallels". Hell, I
like them all, pretty much!! : )
Chris Martin
cmartin@blueridge.net
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 04:51:00 -0400
From: cmartin@blueridge.net (Chris & Shelly Martin)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re: more MP3 and copies...
Message-ID: <v01530504b2fbc6e94a4c@[205.152.121.78]>
>Dave M Klint <davek@csh.rit.edu> wrote in response to CyberDuke:
>
>>>I CANNOT find the music I like in my country!
>
>> This is foolishness. I challenge anyone to disprove the fact that
>we now live
>> in a global economy. If you can read the jam you can probably order
>any CD.
>
>I may have to address this challenge. The whole world isn't the U.S.
>Sure there's a "global economy", but there are things that hinder
>that. There's still places in the world where anything of value is
>STOLEN by the local mailman/customs agents. There's also the problem
>of currency exchange rates, and shipping/insurance costs (if they'll
>ship there at all.) And how do you pay? Even though it seems that Visa
>will give a credit card to anyone, they don't give out cards to every
>war-torn corner of the world. And forget cash or checks, that doesn't
>make it past the mailman either. This can dramatically raise the
>relative price of a disc. Would you purchase a disc if it cost the
>equivalent of $200 U.S. currency?
Hell, half the time I don't trust the postal service here in the US! I was
trading some videos with a guy and they just vanished. I had them insured
and the whole shebang. Put a track on them, and I still haven't seen them.
This has been a couple years, too. I lost my ass (sort of). It was about
$70 worth of KISS boots! : ( But I did get a cool limited edition poster
just for the whole fiasco, and still had the original copies of the boots!!
: )
>The real issue around copying is when some rouge manufacturer in
>Bumphuc, Cambodia decides to run off 500,000 copies of a recording,
>and duplicates the original packaging. That's a real problem. But the
>record companies and their legal armies are usually on top of that
>pretty quick.
>
>my $.02, BH
I hear Bumphuc is quite nice this time of year!! : ) BTW, I absolutely
agree with you on this one. I just think that the whole MP3 thing is
inevitable, and whether we like it or not, it's gonna be fact soon enough.
As soon as a band/label gets the idea, then it will happen, and I would
imagine it could be fixed in such a way that the bands wouldn't lose money,
anymore than they already do from taping CD's. I mean, you have to pay
fees to get into certain sites as it is. If the band was to have their own
individual site to distribute the MP3, for a monthly fee, they could
conjure up enough interest on-line to make more money off of it. As long
as the medium of Cd's and tapes doesn't get totally eradicated. I'm sorry,
I would much rather invest my money in new music than in new computer
doodads!! It tends to be cheaper.
Chris Martin
cmartin@blueridge.net
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:27:01 +0100
From: Yekeke <dtsux@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: DT tribute
Message-ID: <36D668E5.23D4E68D@hotmail.com>
> "fuck you like an animal" sounds pretty *deep* for me, in a certain
> sense... ;-)
>
> And please stop posting the info about the tribute album a dozen times
> here. It's not *that* interesting!
>
> Steffen
> --
> Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com)
What are talking about? I've seen just 2 infos (with some differences)
about the DT tribute at all! Is it more interesting to talk about NIN
and mp3 shit? Hell, is this *the* ytsejam list or what?
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 01:50:42 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Jon finn-NDTC
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F3CED@ms.kallback.com>
> Guess it's time for the regularly scheduled Jon Finn worshipping :)
> Check out http://jonfinn.com/listen.html and you'll find a wonderfull
> little song he did in honor of SRV.
Hell, yeah!
If Stevie Ray Vaughan Went to Berklee And Studied Jazz.
If ever there were a title describing the sound of the piece, that's it.
Get Wicked! (JF's new cd)
Trevor
NP:Jon Finn Group-Wicked (duh)
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:28:12 +0100
From: "Martin" <mpb@netlab.sk>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: MP3 stuff
Message-ID: <001401be60a9$8dacbc80$930ea8c3@h6d7z8>
Hey guys,
don't think it's as easy to buy CDs in other countries as it's
in USA. In other countries, people don't have Visa or Mastercard
or whatever. It is hundreds times harder to get stuff you like.
Therefore, many people want to hear at least one-two full songs
in MP3 and they will buy album. They can't spend money on
"unknown" things. Well, if they are Dream Theater fans, allright,
it's obvious they'll buy the next album but what if they haven't
heard Fates Warning or King Crimson or LTE or whatever? Sorry,
but 30-sec spots, like on Amazon, or Musicblvbd ain't enough. Also,
it's not just 15-20$. Would you spend 100$ for something you don't know
what exactly is that music about? By the way, it's not my
problem, just wanna tell you not to bitch at everybody who wants to
hear some MP3's. I agree that artists deserve every dime they get.
Except... hmmm, Backstreet Boys, N-Sync, Spice Girls, ... :-))))
Let Dream Theater surround you,
Martin
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 05:52:53 -0500
From: David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Attention All Drummers
Message-ID: <199902260553_MC2-6BD9-D853@compuserve.com>
Scott, Wrote
> I prefer stereo headphones , but you may not want something that
> big. Have you tried cotton balls pushed in as far as they'll go.
> They may not
Try Washing up liquid, its a bit difficult to get some into both ears
at the same time, and it might make you feel a bit dizzy though.
Failing that most good ear plugs are fitted so getting them to fit
shouldn't be a problem.
DTX Dave
PS - Its a wind up kids don't try the washing up liquid thing at home
I'm a professional. That means I've been to too many parties where the
above has been inflicted on people.
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 05:26:56 -0600
From: Kevin <kvill@flash.net>
To: YtseJam Mailing list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: FS:Unopened Angra cds (NDTC)
Message-ID: <36D68500.566C8AC0@flash.net>
I've got two 2CD Angra sets for sale.
Angra-Holy Live/Freedom Call EP (Unopened) (2cds)
Go here to have a look:
http://www.flash.net/~kvill/Angrafreedom-holy.jpg
Angra-Angels Cry/Holy Land (Unopened) (2cds)
Go here to have a look:
http://www.flash.net/~kvill/AngraAngels-Land.jpg
Each is $20 shipped in the US, or $38ppd in US for both. Out of the US,
please ask about shipping. Thanks, Kevin.
-- ----------------------------------------------------------- Used CDs are always for sale at:http://www.flash.net/~kvill/cds4sale.html
Used Movie cds (Soundtracks and Scores-Some rare) are for sale at:
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Updated regularly! -----------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 04:07:52 -0800 (PST) From: Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Skinlab/Lacuna Coil/Skyclad (N. Gallop reviews) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990226035918.3304B-100000@crane.cds.caltech.edu>
More reviews from Neil. Enjoy.
Younis Hilal------------------------yhilal@cds.caltech.edu
On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, Gallop, Neil wrote:
> ------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi all > > Three reviews of three very different albums by three > very different bands. > > SKINLAB - Disembody: The New Flesh > (Century Media - 77238-2) > > Take Machine Head, put Max Cavalera on vocals, let Phil > Anselmo do the backing vocals, provide this heady brew > with some ultra fat, ultra heavy riffs, add a dash of > rabid pit bull on bad acid, crank up the volume control > to a painful level and then just let this album violate > you. Hard, heavy, aggressive, in your face, no holds > barred hardcore mayhem. Heavy, fucking heavy. 9/10 > (Reviewer's note: people without lip piercings and > goatee beards are also allowed to buy this album). > > LACUNA COIL - In A Revierie > (Century Media - 77234-2) > > To quote John Cleese "and now for something completely > different". The contrast between Skinlab and Lacuna Coil > could hardly be more extreme. Lacuna Coil's first full > length album continues where their debut mini CD left > off - and then some more. The music and feel is > somewhere between Paradise Lost's "Icon" and The > Gathering's "Mandylion". The contrast and interplay > between the vocalists (female/male) is perfect. Strong > guitar riffs and tasteful keyboard arrangements > (played by producer Waldemar Sorychta) support the > vocal perfomances without detracting from them. From > time to time, the emphasis of the guitar work switches from rhythm to lead, > and the listener gets to enjoy > some well played solos. A very solid album, essentially > dark and gothic, but with some lighter moments. I know > there is at least one other Lacuna Coil fan on the list > (he voted for the mini CD in his top 5 of 98 list), but > I can unreservedly recommend this album to anybody who > likes bands such as The Gathering, Paradise Lost and > Heavenwood. My favourite song is "To Myself I Turned" > which is simply beautiful. Also lookout for the remixed > version of "Falling" at the end of the album. 10/10 > > SKYCLAD - Vintage Whine > (Massacre Records - MAS CD0178) > > Sacrifice a chicken to the pagan gods! The Skyclad of > olden days is back. After the dissappointments of > "Qui Avant-Garde A Chance" and "The Answer Machine" I > was beginning to fear that Skyclad had lost their edge > and run out off steam. However, this new album can > proudly let itself be seen with past masterpieces such > as "Irrational Anthems" and the classic "Silent Whales > Of Lunar Sea" (you've just got to like that title). This > album reinvents pagan folk/metal. Martin Walkyier is > once more the main focus of the band with his unique > singing style and his masterfully crafted lyrics that > are so full of hidden (and often caustic, vitriolic) > meanings. George Biddle is almost as noticable with > her metal/jig crossover violin playing, and the > addition of their producer, Kevin Ridley, as a third > guitarist lends a new depth to the sound. The only > fault I can find is that the album is only 44 minutes > long (almost a tradition with Skyclad). On tour in > Germany in April. Take your own chicken to sacrifice > to the deity of you choice. 9/10 > > stay safe and happy listening > Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) > Currently playing: VAUXDVIHL - To Dimension Logic >
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:09:12 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: YtseLand <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: White Blues Message-ID: <36D5D818.3CF12E8B@mol.com.mk>
I know this is quite stupid to say, but I'm more fond of white blues! :)
It's just that I LOVE Cream/Eric Clapton, SRV, Johnny Winter (Amen to the jammer who mentioned him :), Allman Brothers, Paul Butterfield, and all these make a little
than those blues antics.
Hats off to B.B. King, for best live blues performance - "Outside Help"! It gives me chills. Also what was that blues stuff from him on the Blues Brothes 200 soundtrack, awesome blues stuff!!! :)
While the roots are really in those old blackmen simple blues songs, I happen to be more fond of "It's not my cross to bear", "Whipping Post", "Riviera Paradise", "I'm so glad" ...
And people, don't forget Mr. JOHN MAYALL, the father of so many famous white blues men!!! :) And oh, oh - Fleetwood Mac, Gary Moore, .... and ..... CHRIST .... none mentioned the blind dude
JEFF HEALEY (I love this guy)
OK, I take my lexilium and shut up for now, -- CyberDuke
P.S. Some Zappa fan here around except Alan Estrada??? :) Does anyone has MP3 of Zappa live performance of "Whipping Post" (Allman Brothers cover). This is the best cover I ever heard!!! Please, if you have it, e-mail me!!! Thanks
P.P.S Thanks to all for the reply on Neil Peart solo album! I got some 5, 6 replies of them! :) Gotta love this list! :) Yo Skadz, what's up man? ;)
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:41:57 -0500 From: psull@ici.net To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: MP3 Message-ID: <199902261331.IAA07883@bajor.ici.net>
> What you get back is an encrypted file > which will only play on that playback device. This is affordable > technology which exists today.
A tad inconvenient if you happen to own more than one MP3 player - then you'd have to buy a copy of the file for home, a copy for the car, a copy for the office....
But, to run with that idea a little, how about this addition: Make it so if the file is copied, that encrypted information doesn't go with it. Then the devices are set up to only allow unencrypted files to be played 3 times, and then they are disabled. This would allow someone to make a copy for a friend, but still require the friend to buy a copy if he likes the song (Unless he wants to keep getting new copies of it. I'm sure some people would do that, but most would buy their own just for convenience sake).
___Pat Sullivan_______________ Email: psull@ici.net ICQ: 23499229 AIM: TOWHTSTS WWW: http://home.ici.net/~psull/psull.html
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 06:30:10 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: prog in grammies Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F3CFC@ms.kallback.com>
Kinda. Bela Fleck was up for three and won one. FYI.
Trevor
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:28:27 -0800 From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Some help with flamenco guitarists.... Message-ID: <34F0B49B.81A3B3BA@stones.com>
:Hello Jammers, : : A query for a friend of mine; being quite an accomplished guitarist in : the rock discipline side of things, he is now looking at broadening his : styles into the flamenco/latin area. : : Having little idea where to start, he asks me to ask here; can any : guitarists here on the jam reccommend some artists to check out in the : flamenco/latin style guitar that would still satisfy his thirst for : virtuosity? : : FYI, his major influences come from Vai and Petrucci (yeah, what : else?).... any help would be muchly appreciated. : : Thanks, : : Luke.
Friday Night in San Francisco(Al di Meola, Paco deLucia & John Mclaughlin) is a MUST! They shred all over the place, one of my favorite records ever. I would suggest checking out Paco deLucia's Anthologia also. Also worth checking out are Agustin Castellon "SABICAS", Mario Escudero, Juan Serrano, Paco Pena, Carlos Montoya, James Fawcett, Peter Evans, Manolo Sanlucar, Serranito, Ottmar Leibert (though some don't like him) and I'm sure I missed a couple really big names, but that should get him going.
OLE!!!
Matej
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:32:57 -0800 From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: hey, you mp3 experts! Message-ID: <34F0B5A9.B229AA22@stones.com>
:I download lots of stuff from bogie's site, it's great. Of course, DT :songs are nothing if not long. So you can imagine my annoyance every :time a network error occurs, which is often. I believe that there is :someway to continue the download, using the regular file saving method, :but i'm not sure how.
As Bogie pointed out on the audio section of his homepage, there is a software called GetRight. No need to be mp3 expert, just RTFM! :)
Cheers,
Matej
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 03:46:44 -0500 (EST) From: Andy Putman <ytse@goethe.baker.rice.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: MP3 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990226034430.5242A-100000@goethe.baker.rice.edu>
> But, to run with that idea a little, how about this addition: Make it > so if the file is copied, that encrypted information doesn't go with it. That is physically impossible on a pc. Look, this whole idea will fail for the same reason copy protection failed. Every way (short of dongles, and those are far to expensive to use for distributing music) is easily broken (ie any dumb-ass kid can do it) and inconvient to the point of not being worth the trouble. -Andy Putman
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