YTSEJAM Digest 4709
Today's Topics:
1) Calvin ---- LTE
by Batray3@aol.com
2) Re: DT tribute
by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
3) RE:Some help with flamenco guitarists.....
by "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com>
4) Re: White Blues
by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
5) Re: prog in grammies
by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
6) Re: Neil Peart Solo Album
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
7) Re: Re:Liquid Tension Experiment (fwd)
by rbrito@iname.com
8) Re: Spam information (NDTC)
by rbrito@iname.com
9) A Brave New World (mp3's again =P)
by "Joe Bissonnette" <Bissonnette@cdr.wisc.edu>
10) Lacuna Coil (very little DTC)
by "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
11) Which Fates to Buy
by A Drummer <metropolis1999@yahoo.com>
12) tribute?
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
13) Re: ...MP3...easy as 1-2-3
by psull@ici.net
14) 1st fates
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
15) mp3 link
by "Joe Bissonnette" <Bissonnette@cdr.wisc.edu>
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:37:18 EST
From: Batray3@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Calvin ---- LTE
Message-ID: <c30cb108.36d6bfae@aol.com>
Hey Jammers . . .
Liquid Tension Experiment shows on tape. Great sound!!!!
To all of those who have the tape ----
doesn't it make a world of difference to have a tape made by someone who knows
the music? Calvin was right on top of it -- getting the leads, solos and
little nuances.
Only someone who is very familiar with the music could pull that off.
I thought he was going to fall over dizzy on Universal Mind switching between
Rudess and JP. LOL.
Thanks so much to Calvin (I think he plays guitar) for letting me experience
this twice-on-the-west-coast show. As you all may remember, I tried like hell
to be there.
P.S. I take my black belt test this weekend. Wish me luck.
_____Nikki_______________________
~~Through Nature's Inflexible Grace~~
~~I'm Learning to Live. --J. Myung~~
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:36:59 -0800
From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: DT tribute
Message-ID: <34F0C4AB.393465D9@stones.com>
> And please stop posting the info about the tribute album a dozen times
> here. It's not *that* interesting!
>
> Steffen
> --
> Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com)
That's the most dumbass statement of this week.. a real beauty!
Now WHAT is interesting then, you shmuck??
Matej *grumble*
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:24:50 -0600
From: "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: RE:Some help with flamenco guitarists.....
Message-ID: <199902261541.HAA29110@knight.axnet.net>
Luke Bateup wrote:
>He is now looking at broadening his styles into the flamenco/latin area<
Then he said:
>can any guitarists here on the jam reccommend some artists to check out in
the flamenco/latin style guitar that would still satisfy his thirst for
virtuosity?<
Well the first guy that you MUST check out is Paco DeLucia. He is the best
flamenco guitarist out there hands down. His stuff is a tad hard to find
but I am sure that you can get it off CD Now or some place.
The only other flamenco guy I can think of is Carlos Montoya. He is like
the most legendary flamenco player and there are recordings of him.
Another place to look is Gypsy music. If anyone here hasn't listened to
any then do yourself a BIG favor and get some now! Django Reinheart is THE
man and anyone who has ever heard him will agree with me...probably:)
hope this helps
Thorin
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:45:37 -0800
From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: White Blues
Message-ID: <34F0C6B1.E8A7A1EC@stones.com>
: I know this is quite stupid to say, but I'm more fond
: of white blues! :)
I'm with ya on this one 'duke.. Though I'm a big fan of
all kinds of Blues, it's mainly white artists that shake
my bootie. SRV and Clapton.. 'nuff said! :)
Matej
*Damn right I've got the blues...
]From my head dooooown to my shoes!*
P.S.
Don't get me wrong.. I'm a huge fan of black blues too!
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:50:10 -0800
From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: prog in grammies
Message-ID: <34F0C7C2.99FDFE4E@stones.com>
:Bela Fleck was up for three and won one.
:FYI.
:
:Trevor
WOOHOO... didn't pay much attention to this
grammy business, but this is waaay cool!!!
Bela is FAB! Victor Wooten (bassist) will
knock you down if you haven't hear them yet.
Matej the Hippo!
NP: Left Of Cool (Bela Fleck and The Flecktones)
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:07:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
To: Jason Barden <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
Subject: Re: Neil Peart Solo Album
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9902261106320.3094-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> PS- there were rumors that a second Burning for Buddy would be released, but
> I've heard nothing more. Anybody got any info?
There was a "Version II" released with 11 more tracks on it. I'll
post a complete tracklisting when I get home (it's at home, and I'm at
work).
- mike.
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:58:22 -0300
From: rbrito@iname.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Re:Liquid Tension Experiment (fwd)
Message-ID: <19990226125822.A1143@iname.com>
Perhaps you might want to read this...
[]s, Roger...
----- Forwarded message from Ant <anton@musicnut.freeserve.co.uk> -----
Message-ID: <01af01be5e52$4ff15da0$a51c883e@anton.media.uki.ime.reuters.com>
]From: "Ant" <anton@musicnut.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Andre Garant" <bluefeet@hotmail.com>,
<rbrito@ime.usp.br>
Cc: <on-reflection@lists.uoregon.edu>
Subject: Re: Re:Liquid Tension Experiment
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:36:35 -0000
-----Original Message-----
]From: Andre Garant <bluefeet@hotmail.com>
About Liquid Tension Experiment.
>yeah, this album is very dynamic and very fast, with some incredible
>musicianship demonsrtated throughout the whole album. however, i have a
>few problems with it, which caused me to get rid of it.
>First, I find that the melodies in general are very cheesy, typical
>metal riffs (especially John the guitarist. he's probably why I never
>got into Dream Theatre. he's too predictable.)
Absolutely. That is where he is coming from but as they go, he is one of the
best and most exiting heavy metal guitarists around IMO. On Falling into
infinity by DT he does actually loosen up a bit and come up with some slower
more melodic stuff. Even a Gilmour like solo.
> also, however good a
>drummer Mike Portnoy is, he's a completely overwhelming musician and
>tales up too much room. That leads me to my biggest dissapointment of
>the project; we can hardly hear Tony Levin at all. It seems to me that
>if you manage to get a bass great like TL, you make the most of the
>opportunity and MAKE HIM LOUDER!!
Agreed again 100% It could have been almost anyone playing bass. Whenever I
listen to Portnoy, especially late at night, I find it hard to sleep as I
still have those pounding skins going through my head.
> Jordan Rudess is amazing, however. The
>30 minute improv at the the end of the CD is the best part of the whole
>album, very intense and well done.
Yes the whole album was written and performed in a week and as they
obviously still had 20 minutes to fill on the CD they went for a jam which
is some jam. It's incredibly organised. I didn't think Rudess sounded much
different to that other poser that DT had on keys. Not surprised he's joined
them now.
I agree Petrucci and Portnoy are predictable and I don't listen to any other
metal. I just have to say that in that genre of music , they shine out
amongst the dross. You have to be in the mood for a bit of headbanging,
which I often am.
Ant
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:45:50 -0300 From: rbrito@iname.com To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Spam information (NDTC) Message-ID: <19990225194550.A792@iname.com>
On Feb 25 1999, Brian Hansen wrote: > (FYI - If you're using Netscape as your browser, you can go into > "Options"/"Mail and News Preferences"/"Identity" and make sure that > your e-mail address is NOT entered. This will prevent websites from > capturing your e-mail address.)
Wow, man, I just had some problems with my account and when I get back to a normal situation it's completely spammed and with flamewars... :-) Ah, Home, Sweet Home. :-)
Anyway, using a browser as an e-mail program is not a great idea. The best idea would be to get a decent e-mail program. Unfortunately, I don't know of any for Windows. There aren't many at all (even Pine sucks eggs -- if you can use Mutt, Gnus or VM do that).
Some recommendations:
* learn how to filter e-mails -- this way, you can subscribe to as many lists as you please and still be able to manage them. Right now I'm subscribed to 9 mailing lists and I have no problems keeping up with them, for I filter all the e-mails so that they don't get mixed. Any software worth using should provide such facilities (if you're under any kind of Unix, *do* use procmail -- I can't think of anything better than this great mail processor).
* use a real e-mail client. Stop using the program from AOL (which, BTW, doesn't even quote according to the de-facto standards and all syntax highlighting gets confused -- in fact, it would be necessary to use a stack automaton to highlight the damned replies this program creates);
* disable Javascript, Java and cookies on your browser. This will break many nice things some sites offer -- but sites that depend on such things aren't worth accessing anyway. These things are meant to be EXTRAS. If you *do* need to access such a site, turn these features on to use it and when you're finished, disable the features again.
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:31:21 -0600 From: "Joe Bissonnette" <Bissonnette@cdr.wisc.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: A Brave New World (mp3's again =P) Message-ID: <86256724.00551E3C.00@domino.cdr.wisc.edu>
ytsejam@ax.com wrote: Jon Parmet: >You can up to a point. If the playback device doesn't make it easy to >record off of. Of course, there's always gonna be someone who will take >a hacksaw, cut open the case, figure the shit out and circumvent it; but >do you honestly think that accounts for a high percentage? Technically >it's quite feasible, I think. The question seems to me to be whether >it'll be economically feasible, i.e. will people buy it? :)
Protecting it with the playback device is really the only technically feasible way to go, but I don't think it's economically feasible, because as someone already pointed out you would be restricting a purchaser to one playback device. I've seen all of the proposed protection schemes by the recording companies, and none of them will work. There may be a way to do it (protect digital audio), but I certainly haven't seen it yet. The internet is entirely too good at the spead of digital information. Hell, that's what it was built for. It's tough to keep that under wraps. None of the currently proposed schemes will be so difficult to pirate as you suggest, and yes I think it will count for a significant percentage. Particularly I'm talking about teens. Male teens especially. Not only will they not feel bad about pirating, but it's rebellious and all. That makes it cool. I've seen it happen. I used to live in a dorm with ethernet internet connections. Every guy that had a computer had at least a gig of illegal mp3's. And teens are the primary market for a lot of music.
>Maybe it takes a new format then, to make it work :) As I indicated >earlier, it won't do anything to help the existing shit out there, but >from that (or some, if it's phased in over time) point forward, all new >material will be protected. I don't think the recording industry is >fucked for the simple reason that there's more to keeping a band >together. Studio time is expensive as hell! Not every band can afford to >own/operate a studio, especially if they're starting off. They need >someone to underwrite it. How about live performance? How can an upstart Artists can make albums without major record deals. Go to mp3.com. Granted there's plenty of worthless crap on there, but there is also some very high quality production of artists who aren't rich and don't have record deals with major labels. Advancing technology has helped out here as well. It's just not that hard to put together a quality recording studio anymore. Hell, the band that my high school buddies were in put out a very good sounding album for about $1000. So maybe a band is going to have to make their way and earn a few bucks before they put out an album. And they'll have to earn more than a few bucks if they want really top of the line production. Is that so wrong? Besides I think that music promoters will still exist. Maybe that will be the form that record companies take in the future. If someone is really talented they'll get recorded. Maybe we won't have all the prefab mtv groups that the labels like to produce. No backstreet boys, no nsync, no spice girls. That would really break my heart. Well, I might miss posh spice...
Look, I'm not trying to say that we're going to have a perfect utopian musical wonderland, but that the whole concept of music distribution is going to be severly altered in the next 10-15 years. Anyone will be able to access any band's material at any time from anywhere. The recording industry does a lot of things other than selling plastic discs, and I recognize that. But the coming changes are going to be swift and unpredictable, and the recording industry is in a reactive position right now, and they have no control over where this is going. The hit they're going to take from this change is going to be severe. There's no way around that. And it will probably be enough to restructure the whole industry. At least that's my hope.
>Now granted, I give you that the industry is probably a little nervous, >but Jonathan hit it on the head. They have more than enough money to >ride the storm out and they're not going anywhere just yet.
Yeah, they are flush. How'd they get that way? Ripping off the consumer. Ripping off the artist. Once the 'digital revolution' is fully realized neither the consumer nor the artist will need to put up with that. The costs of music distribution over the internet are next to nil. Chris Martin: > conjure up enough interest on-line to make more money off of it. As long > as the medium of Cd's and tapes doesn't get totally eradicated. I'm sorry, > I would much rather invest my money in new music than in new computer > doodads!! It tends to be cheaper. > Within 5 years home networking will be standard. Your computer will talk to your stereo. Want to take your digital sound with you. Portable and car mp3 players already exist. Expensive and primitive now, but it's a start. But personal area networks are really going to be the thing. Picture your computer at work talking to your computer at home talking to your palm pilot talking to your phone talking to your car talking to all of your appliances. It remains to be seen how much bandwidth these things will have, but conceivably you could store your music collection on one machine and be able to access that from every music playback device you own. mmmmm. Timeframe: 10 years.
Andy again: > > But, to run with that idea a little, how about this addition: Make it > > so if the file is copied, that encrypted information doesn't go with it. > That is physically impossible on a pc. Look, this whole idea will fail > for the same reason copy protection failed. Every way (short of dongles, > and those are far to expensive to use for distributing music) is easily > broken (ie any dumb-ass kid can do it) and inconvient to the point of not > being worth the trouble. Exactly.
In conclusion (and I promise to go away and not bother all you fine people about mp3's after this) this is all one big fucking mess and nobody really knows how it will turn out. But there are undeniably going to be major changes in the way we acquire and listen to music. The fact is that the record companies are completely unprepared and their responses have been extremely shortsighted and I don't see them coming out of this unscathed. And that don't bother me one bit.
Biz
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:34:06 GMT From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Lacuna Coil (very little DTC) Message-ID: <4C73E86CFA@sdk1.derby.ac.uk>
OMIGOD!!! HE BEAT ME TO IT!!
Because I do a lot of writing for my University magazine, I get advance copies of CDs, including Lacuna Coil's "In A Reverie". I was gonna' write to the 'Jam about this sometime real soon, but GODDAMNIT! Neil Gallop's beaten me to it.
Very few albums merit "Classic" status immediately upon their release. This one does. In fact, along with Sgt Pepper, Dark Side of the Moon and I&W (the latter being IMHO), ...Reverie ranks as: THIS IS AN ALBUM YOU MUST HEAR BEFORE YOU DIE. Lacuna Coil are the best band I've heard since I first heard Dream Theater (just after FII canme out, factfans), and I urge you to go and buy this CD RIGHT NOW. You won't regret it, I promise. UK Jammers can check out one of their songs, Cold, on the current Metal HAmmer cover CD. Don't sneer at MH: they gave DT a bloody good review after their London Forum show. Man, I can't believe anyone else has even HEARD of this band!!
Si ------------------------------------------------------ "If there's a pensive fear, a wasted year A Man must learn to cope If his obsession's real, suppression that he feels Must turn to hope" -John Petrucci s.j.dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk lord_ibanez@hotmail.com http://members.tripod.com/lord_ibanez/lord_ibanez.html ------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:46:56 -0800 (PST) From: A Drummer <metropolis1999@yahoo.com> To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Which Fates to Buy Message-ID: <19990226164656.26607.rocketmail@web607.mail.yahoo.com>
I forget who asked, but someone wanted to know which Fates Warning album should be bought first.
I personally recommend Parallels first. It has some fantastic drumming, great vocals, and I believe Kevin Moore plays keys on it.
I am assuming you are a DT fanatic being that you are on the Ytsejam and most DT fans I know seem to enjoy any Fates Warning from Perfect Symmetry on (This also includes Inside Out and A Pleasant Shade of Grey).
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:52:48 +0100 From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: tribute? Message-ID: <v04020a01b2fc8137a9bc@[194.8.195.228]>
>What are talking about? I've seen just 2 infos (with some differences)
Yes, plus 2 gazillions of mails quoting the whole thing. And your posting doesn't help at all.
Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.westend.com/TheMirror) "Genetic engineering lets us correct God's horrible, horrible mistakes. Like German people!" - South Park
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:19:33 -0500 From: psull@ici.net To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: ...MP3...easy as 1-2-3 Message-ID: <199902261708.MAA18723@bajor.ici.net>
> > But, to run with that idea a little, how about this addition: Make it so > > if the file is copied, that encrypted information doesn't go with it. > That is physically impossible on a pc. Look, this whole idea will fail > for the same reason copy protection failed. Every way (short of dongles, > and those are far to expensive to use for distributing music) is easily > broken (ie any dumb-ass kid can do it) and inconvient to the point of not > being worth the trouble.
It's not *physically* impossible...
A much better idea (which I already mentioned to Jon) is rather than using dongles, is to tie the whole thing to smart card technology, and have a requirement that the owner's smart card be present to play the file. (ie. the smart card info/number be used to encrypt the file).
Hell, look how easy it is to copy CD's and cassettes; any dumb- ass kid can do that, too. By providing at least *some* level of security, it would at least make an attempt to appease the powers- that-be (the reocrd companies).
___Pat Sullivan_______________ Email: psull@ici.net ICQ: 23499229 AIM: TOWHTSTS WWW: http://home.ici.net/~psull/psull.html
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:32:29 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: 1st fates Message-ID: <36D6DAAD.7CD2DC29@bigfoot.com>
My first Fates CD was chasing time, the compilation. I listened to it a lot, and I liked it enough to get apsog. It's one of the best comp CD's I've ever seen, because for every song, the liner notes tell you who wrote it, what a band member thinks of it, what album it came off of, when that album came out and what each album looks like, and even band photos for each album. It's the info I've always wanted on a greatist hits CD, and it's kickass.
Unfortunately, I also decided from that CD that it wouldn't be worth it to buy any of the original albums, because I got the hunch that in any given time period, the band just emulated another band of that period. First IM, then QR, then DT, to make it inaccurately simple. But aside from that, I do like the music, and I might one of these days go get parallels or inside out. APSOG was certainly original, btw.
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel Churchill's description of history: "It's just one damn thing after another."
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:25:33 -0600 From: "Joe Bissonnette" <Bissonnette@cdr.wisc.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: mp3 link Message-ID: <86256724.005F6642.00@domino.cdr.wisc.edu>
Ok, so I lied. I have one more thing on this topic. I just ran across a great editorial discussing much the same thing we've been talking about here. Take a look: http://www.mp3.com/news/183.html
Biz
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