YTSEJAM Digest 4710
Today's Topics:
1) reading the fing manual
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
2) re: GREAT LEMUR VOICE NEWS !!!!
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
3) whole lotta nothin goin on... MP3s etc...
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
4) Flamenco, LTE, MP3
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
5) Re: 1st Fates
by MTeiper@aol.com
6) Composer programs
by Preston Scheuneman <preston@in-tech.net>
7) Re: Composer programs
by "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
8) The predictability of John and Mike
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
9) Composer programs
by Alexandre Lymberopoulos <lymber@ime.usp.br>
10) Japanese Images & Words
by "Nafe, Tim" <tnafe@BestBuy.com>
11) Re: Composer programs
by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
12) Paul Gilbert clinic mp3
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
13) Re: Lacuna Coil (very little DTC)
by tfostvedt@csu.org
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4700
by "Ambassador Nelaskon" <cyaron@mailcity.com>
15) Flamenco
by IceQD@aol.com
16) Lacuna Coil
by Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
17) Hello, and beware thy imminent doom!!! Hahaha!!!
by "Secret_of Area_51" <mysterx51@hotmail.com>
18) Re: Japanese Images & Words
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
19) LTE cover scan - Testing For Tension
by Wino Emmanuel <ewino@mail.dotcom.fr>
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:37:58 -0500
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: reading the fing manual
Message-ID: <36D6DBF6.C36745A0@bigfoot.com>
>As Bogie pointed out on the audio section of his homepage, there
>is a software called GetRight. No need to be mp3 expert, just
>RTFM!
Well, I didn't see that, but A) why doesn't netscape smartdownload work,
and B) it doesn't matter because I hate using smartdownload, and C) for
that matter I wanted to avoid using utilities, because I know there's a
way to do it without using them, but I can't prove it.
However, because you are the third or fourth person now, I am definitely
getting getright. Thank you all!
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel Churchill's description of history: "It's just one damn thing after another."------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:35:27 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: GREAT LEMUR VOICE NEWS !!!! Message-ID: <19990226173527.21202.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com>
"Coenen, Marcel" <marcel.coenen@libertel-vs.nl> told us the latest news:
> Lemur Voice is going into the studio at March 15th until the end of > April, to record the second CD "Divided". This CD shall have 10 tracks, > including a cover song from the song "Beat It" from Michael Jackson in > a typical Jazzy Lemur Voice version.
That's great news that you guys are getting into the studio. About time! :o) Can't wait for it to get released.
Covering the song "Beat It"?! Hmmm... Mosh has been shipping crack overseas again. ;o) How does he get that past customs?
BH
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:44:09 EST From: DragynLMC3@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: whole lotta nothin goin on... MP3s etc... Message-ID: <814fb326.36d6dd69@aol.com>
> >What are talking about? I've seen just 2 infos (with some differences) > > Yes, plus 2 gazillions of mails quoting the whole thing. And your posting > doesn't help at all. and three lines makes a world of differance :-p eh, quit yer bitchin! :}
ok, the BVB site is seriously ticking me off. i cant d/l any of the MP3s there. so I throw myself upon the mercy of the Jam. Could someone either 1) send me the direct links to the Jason songs or 2) just send me the songs? or 3) give me a new puter :} ok, anyway, **ANY HELP WILL BE APPRECIATED** thank you for your support.
~Lisa DragynLMC3@aol.com http://members.aol.com/dragynlmc3/index.html ~*/DAS~BOOT\*~ http://members.aol.com/bdoaost/index.html "That was non, non non, non heinous!" ~Ted "Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey"
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:09:47 -0600 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Flamenco, LTE, MP3 Message-ID: <000e01be61b3$3308af40$a590fea9@z979811wheat.farm.niu.edu>
Who wants to play flamingo guitar anyways?
Check out Paco, as someone else suggested. All of his albums are more or less "safe" buys. Paco De Lucia is thr father of the modern incarnation of Flamenco guitar. People like Ottmar Leibert (who is talented but writes some pieces that are too cliche, even in a genre that often specifically TRIES to be liche) and Jesse Cook (who may arguably not be using true flamenco technique.... some of his licks sound way too precisely picked, like DiMeola) who are readily available and HUGE successes (they can be found at just about ANY music store) wouldn't be playing the way they do if it weren't for Paco. Paco challenged the theory that Flamenco and Spanish Gypsy music necessarily had to follow traditions (using the same scales, chords, and always the same vocal style... the old man with throat cancer sound) Many still cling to these concepts, and create great music... some, like the Gypsy Kings, maintain the key elements of the tradition, but branch out into technology a bit. Narada has at least one good Flamenco sampler disc, available at all Best Buy and Tower type locations. I recommend this type of thing as a great starting point, because then you hear multiple artists, and can pursue each in turn if you choose. That way, you don't get stuck listening to ONLY Paco. When I first got into jazz, I only listened to Charlie Parker, because he was the only one I knew I liked. Once accustomed to the gravel throat sound of the vocals in Flamenco, and the fact that the lyrics are almost uniformly in Spanish (that's a no brainer) check out bands like the Gypsy Kings. Friday Night in San Francisco is a great disc.. but it's more of the same for your friend. He'll probably focus on DiMeola (who is probably JP's main technical influence). Totally worth owning, especially the gold remaster version that came out a few years back, but it's really only a mild glimpse into Flamenco. ___
Calvin has scored big time with his LTE video. He sent me a copy, just to have me in future trading debt (I have more or less stopped trading because I owe Carlo several videos, and have managed to fuck that whole thing up for like 2 or 3 years now, because I wasn't in possession of the boots I was trading (a buddy who I lost contact with was gonna dub them for me) and I still owe Mape some stuff, though that will be done with this weekend most likely. Calvin is a ridiculously fast trader. And this LTE video is a godsend for JP fans. 1). The chunk of JP playing at the Mesa booth has some really cool licks to steal, and showcases an amp that I STILL need to identify. Great clean and brutal distortion. Nothing like having Petrucci play-test an amp for you dry, and on a Valley Arts guitar no less! And you have to give Calvin some credit for standing around there with a camcorder silently, while Petrucci played. I'd feel awefully uncomfortable if I didn't at least say hi, and get a chance to get his OK on it. A worthwhile chunk of JP footage. 2). LTE, NAMM: You can hear things clear enough, you can see Chapman Stick in action, by one of its most acclaimed players (though it's more about groove than technique for Tony Levin) and you get the awesome closeups that Cal provides on all the JP solos. A couple great shots during Rudess solos too. This video is MADE for guitarists. There may be another boot vid of this show floating around, according to Calvin... if that's the case, I want em both. :) Important note... at the end of the show, when Cal is walking around with his camera, taking closeups of all the rack gear so he can identify it later (a man after my own heart) it is none other than RON THAL who comes up to the camera and talks about "waiting till 2:30 in the morning to see John Petrucci, who we all love." Kinda neat cameo. 3). RMP: This is made for KEYBOARDISTS. Great drumming, but of immense significance is that you hear the keys really well, and you SEE the keys really well. There's a big monitor screen in between Rudess and Morgenstein, and during all the solos, the screen has an overhead shot of the keys, and Cal has a direct shot at the screen. That's GOTTA be useful to anyone who wants to steal Rudess licks I noticed (as a buddy of mine pointed out) that Rudess seems to be playing all of his solos one handed... none of the hand over hand kind of stuff some of the other popular keyboard heros do. Pretty wild to see him go at it like that! I gotta start collecting keyboardist boots (Jens... wanna send me some tapes? :) 4). LTE Roxy: This would have been an AWESOME show to get in entirety. What is included is impressive. Aside from some people (who shall remain nameless) being annoying (getting in the way and making noise) this one is killer too.
Great video quality on all of the boots, and great sound quality (only fuckups are twice when the camera unfocused at parts that aren't important) and sound problems that are related to the sound guy, not to Calvin. This one's a winner. Getchaself a copy ASAP ____
MP3s... I'm done with this debate. To clarify
A). I am not anti MP3. They're a great tool to hear the sound of a band B). I AM anti whole album MP3, because no one has made a reasonable case toward the fact that people who obtain these will still buy the album. Isaac would. But in general, most of you wouldn't and you know it. C). Whatever you choose to do, how much money it costs you is not relevant to the fact that when you take these in lieu of the album itself, you are robbing the musician of his livelihood. Whether or not you think your contribution to this crime is important has no bearing on the ethics. If the artist deserves your $2 for the album, he should get it. If you appreciate the album, you can't justify taking it without paying, unless the artist gives it to you. Do it if you will, but know that it's wrong.
- Chris
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:25:34 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: 1st Fates Message-ID: <5ba15d49.36d6e71e@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-02-26 12:32:32 EST, you write:
<< My first Fates CD was chasing time, the compilation. I listened to it a lot, and I liked it enough to get apsog. It's one of the best comp CD's I've ever seen, because for every song, the liner notes tell you who wrote it, what a band member thinks of it, what album it came off of, when that album came out and what each album looks like, and even band photos for each album. It's the info I've always wanted on a greatist hits CD, and it's kickass. Unfortunately, I also decided from that CD that it wouldn't be worth it to buy any of the original albums, because I got the hunch that in any given time period, the band just emulated another band of that period. First IM, then QR, then DT, to make it inaccurately simple. But aside from that, I do like the music, and I might one of these days go get parallels or inside out. APSOG was certainly original, btw. >>
OUCH!!! Joshua, while I agree that Chasing Time is a great place to start listening to Fates, and while I also agree that APSOG is a masterpiece, I just don't think that any other Fates "emulates" anyone. Influenced by? Yeah... I'll go with that, and I'll even agree as to being influenced by the bands you listed. But, "emulates"... I just don't see it. I'm afraid that you're missing out on a lot of amazing music by not getting their back collection. Please reconsider! :-)
Later... Matt T.
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:46:04 -0500 From: Preston Scheuneman <preston@in-tech.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Composer programs Message-ID: <36D6EBEB.8DF7E573@in-tech.net>
I was wondering if anyone knew if there are any programs that you can compose music with where you actually place notes of selected instruments. I had a program like this on my Tandy 1000 RLX years ago, but my parents sold that anyway, and it wasn't windows-compatible anyway. I made a lot of songs that were pretty good considering I was in 7th grade at the time. If anyone knows another program that I can try this again with, I'd be grateful. Also, does anyone know how to convert those tandy sound files into midi or wav? I have them on disk, but obviously I can't check them out.
Thanks, Death Lord
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:01:29 -0400 From: "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Composer programs Message-ID: <19990226185300515.AAA256@mcs01.yunque.net@SMART01.yunque.net>
> From: Preston Scheuneman <preston@in-tech.net> > To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: Composer programs > Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 3:00 PM > > > I was wondering if anyone knew if there are any programs that you > can compose music with where you actually place notes of selected > instruments.
I think Cakewalk pro audio might do that..but im not sure.
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:05:56 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: The predictability of John and Mike Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990226110556.008e7ab0@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>From: rbrito@iname.com
Im not sure if you wrote this Roger, or someone else, but it was in your post, and I would like to comment about it.
>I agree Petrucci and Portnoy are predictable and I don't listen to any other >metal. I just have to say that in that genre of music , they shine out >amongst the dross.
I would argue that the only reason John and Mike would EVER be predictable is when you are a die-hard fan like I am, and know their styles so well that you can sing Learning to Live in your sleep. When Petrucci solos, often he plays the same lick over and over again (you all know what I'm talking about), and when Mike solos he plays that double-bass riff reminiscent of Peart (you all know what I'm talking about).
But consider this: When you first heard Dream Theater, were they predictable? Did you know that Petrucci would rip into that blindingly fast 32nd note run in PMU? Did you predict the 4/4 part in TTT right before the chorus that doesn't really sound like 4/4? Could you hum along to Metropolis on your first listen?
Petrucci and Portnoy are anything but predictable. The are the musicians we all want to be; musicians with seemingly infinite creativity, yet with their own distinct styles. In a jam setting like the LTE settings, they are going to rely on their bread and butter, the licks they know the best. So would you, and so would anyone. But even then, they seem to come up with stuff we have never heard before, just cuz they are that good.
Predictable? Perhaps, but only in the sense that you KNOW they are gonna blow your mind away, just like Miles, or Coltrane, etc.
IMHO.
Jon
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:14:51 -0300 From: Alexandre Lymberopoulos <lymber@ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Composer programs Message-ID: <19990226161451.C1565@ime.usp.br>
On Feb 26 1999, Preston Scheuneman wrote: >=20 > I was wondering if anyone knew if there are any programs that you > can compose music with where you actually place notes of selected > instruments. I had a program like this on my Tandy 1000 RLX years ago, > but my parents sold that anyway, and it wasn't windows-compatible > anyway. I made a lot of songs that were pretty good considering I was > in 7th grade at the time. If anyone knows another program that I can > try this again with, I'd be grateful.
I am used to write stuff in Encore 4.0 for Windows, but there are a lot= of programs to do it. I also use Wingroove to make the MIDI instruments so= und like instruments.
> Also, does anyone know how to convert those tandy sound files into > midi or wav? I have them on disk, but obviously I can't check them out. >=20
Sorry, but I can't help you here... :-). Actually, the Wingroove MIDI p= layer converts MIDI files into WAV files.
> Thanks, > Death Lord >=20
(almost) Everyone is always welcome.
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:44:40 -0600 From: "Nafe, Tim" <tnafe@BestBuy.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Japanese Images & Words Message-ID: <3CBB14EE9DB4D111B21100805FA7195201B06D3A@cs01_exchange>
Can someone tell me if there are any bonus tracks on the Japanese version of Images & Words?
Thanks, Tim
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:15:25 -0500 (EST) From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Composer programs Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990226151254.18496A-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>
What you want is a sequencer. with a sequencer you can place the notes on the staff, or you can input them from a midi-compatible instrumewnt (usually a keyboard), either in real time or note by note. there's lots out there. cakewalk is the one i'm familiar with, but i believe CuBase is a popular one for macs. most sequencers these days also support recording digital audio to sync with your midi tracks. unfortunately i'm not sure about webpages or anything for these programs. just thought i'd give you a quick answer as far as what kind of software you're looking for. moo.
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:26:33 -0600 (CST) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Paul Gilbert clinic mp3 Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.990226142030.19324B-100000@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
Hey guys, with all this mp3 shit discussion, i was wondering if anyone here have any of the songs performed by Paul Gilbert in his Intense Rock video clinics. I mean, the beginning solo of his IR 1 , or the closing song of his second IR video. In MP3 format, of course!
I m asking for this, cause days ago, i downloaded a little Petrucci song he played in his Rock Discipline video, and thought that maybe someone here has a Paul Gilbert site or something......
Mauricio
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:32:00 -0700 From: tfostvedt@csu.org To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Lacuna Coil (very little DTC) Message-ID: <87256724.0070FA8D.00@nd-mta01.csu.org>
>From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk> > >Man, I can't believe anyone else has even HEARD of this band!!
It's not like Lacuna Coil is that obscure....they are signed with Century Media. When I first heard The Gathering, I was totally enraptured by Anneke's vocals and the atmospheric tunes and I decided I had to find some similar bands. I found out about them from www.seaoftranquility.org, and went to my local CD store and there it was.
Neil: that was me that voted for them.....
Todd "Nigel"
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:01:15 -0000 From: "Ambassador Nelaskon" <cyaron@mailcity.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4700 Message-ID: <ONDLLDMOADLHAAAA@mailcity.com>
On behalf of the people of Planet Cyaron, I welcome the Ytsejam to page 47.
Nelaskon ECA
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:09:44 EST From: IceQD@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Flamenco Message-ID: <24f79875.36d70d98@aol.com>
>From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
>Subject: Some help with flamenco guitarists....
Check out Paco Pena, currently doing a residency at London's Peacock Theater with his 'Musa Gitana'.
Al di Meola, Paco de Lucia & John Mclaughlin also did a brilliant album acalled 'Passion, Grace & Fire'
The guys who accompany flamenco dancer Joaquin Cortes are pretty damned hot too ....
Ice
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 08:26:35 +1100 From: Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Lacuna Coil Message-ID: <36D7118B.849F840C@ozemail.com.au>
>Man, I can't believe anyone else has even HEARD of this band!!
I have heard of them and have had their excellent debut 6 track mini CD for quite a few months. Quite impressive too, the only thing that spoiled it for me was the male vocals that interupted the wonderful voice of Cristina. I am looking forward to hearing a full album from them too. When is it out ?
gaz
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:31:26 PST From: "Secret_of Area_51" <mysterx51@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Hello, and beware thy imminent doom!!! Hahaha!!! Message-ID: <19990226213126.25952.qmail@hotmail.com>
And the ytsejam bows before the almighty impostor among them, and realizes only then that he is their father, and they must feed him ice cream at 3AM while praying to the god of Liquid Tension to tour with Fates Warning and Tangerine Dream, or risk beind destroyed by the incredible force they see before them...
--To Be Continued--
Secret Of Area 51
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:42:48 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: "Nafe, Tim" <tnafe@BestBuy.com> Subject: Re: Japanese Images & Words Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9902261642380.5893-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> Can someone tell me if there are any bonus tracks on the > Japanese version of Images & Words?
There are not.
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:54:02 +0100 From: Wino Emmanuel <ewino@mail.dotcom.fr> To: themirror@egroups.com, ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: LTE cover scan - Testing For Tension Message-ID: <36D7260A.A83063FB@mail.dotcom.fr>
Hi ! You can have a look at the cover I did for Testing For Tension at :
http://www.multimania.com/cuic/TestingForTension.jpg You can teel me what you think
Manu -- Emmanuel WINO tel : 06-61-77-43-87 mailto:ewino@mail.dotcom.fr ICQ : 2501180 Michel GUYADER Online : http://www.multimania/cuic/ Artwork : Cuic : http://www.chez.com/artwork/ "God is just a statistic"
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