YTSEJAM Digest 4559
Today's Topics:
1) don't know if this got through before
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
2) Heavenly Creatures
by Uroborosss@aol.com
3) Red Ytsejams
by Uroborosss@aol.com
4) Re: Deftones
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
5) Re: bass picking
by schnapster@juno.com (Dale R Newberry)
6) Re: basses: active vs. passive
by "A_Change of_Seasons" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
7) Re: Pickin' Bass Playerz
by Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
8) Re: KorgX3 gets over it
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
9) Re: Korn on the cob? get a real job
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
10) Sh*t for Shane
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
11) ****LTE Live Dates**** Spread the word!!!
by Portnoy420@aol.com
12) CD player constipation
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
13) octobans
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
14) Re: octobans
by Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
15) bass w/o a pick
by "Chris Herbst" <cherbst@usa.net>
16) New Genre Name
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
17) Re: octobans
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@hubcap.clemson.edu>
18) TTT
by Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net>
19) Re: octobans
by Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:24:55 PST
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: don't know if this got through before
Message-ID: <19990112232455.5784.qmail@hotmail.com>
didn't see this the last time I tried to send it, and i know a few folks
would be interested.......
a cool Helloween feature/interview/concert review can be found at
www.amzmusiczine.com
same site that had the savatage feature a coupla months ago.....
partha
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:39:25 EST
From: Uroborosss@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Heavenly Creatures
Message-ID: <b58c1836.369bdd2d@aol.com>
> From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Grammy nominations?
>
> p.s. anybody ever see the movie "Heavenly Creatures"? stars Kate
> Winslet, directed by Peter Jackson, cool, albeit freaky flick.......
I would describe "Heavenly Creatures" as a cross between "The Sound of Music"
and "Natural Born Killers." :)
Bafu Vai
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:49:44 EST
From: Uroborosss@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Red Ytsejams
Message-ID: <d581aae1.369bdf98@aol.com>
> From: JKorby1973@aol.com
> Subject: Re: tabs?
>
> P.S.- Why does my Ytsejam sometimes come in a bright red color or
> some other color that makes it impossible to see the text? Just wondering.
This unwanted colorization process is exclusive to America Online. I don't
know why it happens, but be aware that many others experience what you do, and
feel your pain, brother...
Bafu Vai
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:58:10 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Deftones
Message-ID: <369BE192.7EB2@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> <<<The Deftones are a ska band I believe.>>>
>
> OH, MAN, WAYYYY WRONG. :) The Deftones are a kick-ass metal/hardcore band.
Maybe he was thinking of the Mighty Mighty BossTONES? ;)
God, I hope they're ska....hehehehehe
Regards,
Jon
-- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*"I'll say it again slowly so you can all hear me:Who...fucking...cares." - Brian D. Hayden
Assistant Grand Sub Pooba nominates that for quote of the month :)
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:58:50 -0600 From: schnapster@juno.com (Dale R Newberry) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: bass picking Message-ID: <19990112.175851.3334.0.schnapster@juno.com>
To add a little bit to the bass players using picks discussion, I personally really like the hard edged attack that picks can give a bass, but I cannot, for the life of me, play with a pick. I have to use my fingers (it's how I learned). I've tried a number of times to use a pick and just can't get it down. Once, I tried growing my fingernails out to sort of use as picks, but, well, that didn't go over too well, either. Any tips on how I can get that sort of sound without actually using a pick?
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:17:12 PST From: "A_Change of_Seasons" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: basses: active vs. passive Message-ID: <19990113001713.13858.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:55:23 -0800 (PST) >Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com >From: Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net> >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: basses: active vs. passive > > >Hello jammerz! >And particularly the bassists! > >I just wanted to jump in with a question what do you guys think about >active basses? > >I am currently using an Ibanez Ergodyne bass and like it more than my good >old Yamaha. >Ibanez has got active pickups system, and I always thought that it gives >more opportunities for wider sound variations - and the Ibanez proved this >to me, but recently I hapenned to be playing at a studio where the sound >engineer complained alot about active basses, and said that this was total >crap, not worth buying at all... >So, I just thought I'd ask expert's opinions, c'mon guys, what d'ya think >about this? > Well, I have an Ibanez that is completely passive, and one (an older Ibanez) that is both.... I personally like active as it cancels out that annoying humm.......
"POJ" =o)
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"Life will not always be this way.
Look around. Hear the sounds.
Cherish your life, while you're still around!"
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:00:07 +0300 From: Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Pickin' Bass Playerz Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990113010007.00972280@messagebox.com>
>>, ive never seen a bassist ( or myself ) play bass with a pick. it sounds >>like >>an amazing phenomenon for a bassist to see another bassist use a pick. > >I play bass with a pick, gives a nice clicky sound. The Queensryche bass >player uses one when he records, but not always live . I also finger play and >do the 8 fingered stuff. I play slap bass a little. But then I play electric >and electric-acoustic guitar without a pick (cos I started out on classical >geetar) while also being able to play with one. Depends on the song >really.................. I used to pick the bass, but once I took enough time to practice the fingering enough I couldn't use pick anymore. I've been playing with two fingers on my right hand for a long time, but now I have learned to play with three fingers well enough... Of the picking bassists the best one wuld certainly be Dave Eleffson. But still picking the bass is not a good thing to do - that's what my band-mates always tell me when I attempt to get back to picking, once qwhen I had blisters on my right hand after dubbing the doublebass part with the drummer I wanted to use a pick, it sounded awful compared to the think'n'fat sound when fingering, that I had to keep playing with blisters... I believe that a lot of bassists do not finger because of blisters they have (a lot of my friends have this problem)...
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:09:44 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: KorgX3 gets over it Message-ID: <369c006405b6001@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:43:25 -0800 (PST) from "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>:
> scenes that bugs me. Each era has had their share of groups that make > it big because a bunch of chicks think they're all cute n' shit. N' > Sync, > Backstreet Boys, NKOTB, Menudo, The Jackson 5
Hey now! The Jacksons laid down some phat grooves in their day, man!
-Brian
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:14:53 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Korn on the cob? get a real job Message-ID: <369c019d0950001@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:35:43 -0800 (PST) from Dave M Klint <davek@csh.rit.edu>:
> What's the point? Well, the point is that if you look back 30 years, > it wasn't always this way. Record companies and the public at large > didn't always shun a shredding guitar solo, or a maddening drum beat. > The public used to like bands like (early) Yes and Genesis, or the > guitar wonders like (Cream/Yardbirds) Clapton and Hendrix. Everything > goes in cycles, and I think its time we rose back to the top.
Ehh...I have to disagree. Cream, Hendrix, etc, were popular, but in an underground sort of way. The charts at that time were dominated by stuff like Aretha Franklin and the Monkees and Pat Boone. Not that there's anything wrong with Aretha. Genesis were never big until the 80's when Phil sang. Yes had about three charted singles.
-Brian
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:25:22 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Sh*t for Shane Message-ID: <369C0412.DC0ECAD7@isd.net>
Shane,
I lost your E-Mail address. Doh!
I did take a picture of my speaker setup, I have it posted here: http://www.isd.net/astrosch/speakers.html
For obvious reasons I only could get the left speaker in the picture. :-)
This is like... music related, right?
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:55:04 EST From: Portnoy420@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: ****LTE Live Dates**** Spread the word!!! Message-ID: <4ed5ee7d.369c0b08@aol.com>
This just in..........
Don't miss the ONLY live appearances (maybe ever!?!?!) of LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT featuring Mike Portnoy, John Petrucci, Jordan Rudess and Tony Levin
Thursday January 21st - The Bowery Ballroom, New York City 212-533-2111 Monday February 1st - The Roxy, Los Angeles Ca. 310-278-9457
There will also be one appearance at the Sabian show at NAMM in Los Angeles on Saturday January 31st. (exclusive to NAMM attendees)
and a possibilty of one more east coast appearance on January 22nd......stay tuned......
Don't miss what will surely be a once in a lifetime experience!!!!
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:54:59 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: CD player constipation Message-ID: <369C0B03.4E70E7B8@isd.net>
Chris Ptacek wrote: >cheaper gold backs. The cd won't eject, but it will play... that sort of >thing. Both times it took more than a day to get it out, and it was only a >miracle that it did (poking and prodding the player in its most sensitive >areas did nothing to help me... just pressed eject for the 1000th time and >it worked). I'd be interested to know if this is a CDR related issue, or a >freak coincidence. Al? Jens? :)
You are in the unique position to test this theory yourself. Install only factory music CD's and see if the problem reoccurs. As far as the CDR issue goes, I have my suspicions, I just have no clue how to put it to words. (without a measurable degree of educated guessing) That's one of those *I'd have to be there* things.
Sorry. :-(
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:24:01 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: octobans Message-ID: <369C11D1.A3EF125F@bigfoot.com>
Are octobans what mike hits to kick off 6:00?
Also, what does it mean to say a drum can be pitched? Can't any drum be pitched? I know they come in all different pitches. To be pitchable would mean to change the default setting, then?
And while we're on the subject of my percussive ignorance, why is there a pillow in a bass drum?
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel "Shop Smart. Shop...S-Mart!"
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:49:39 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: octobans Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990113034939.0124db80@earthlink.net>
At 07:31 PM 1/12/99 -0800, you wrote: > >Are octobans what mike hits to kick off 6:00? > >Also, what does it mean to say a drum can be pitched? Can't any drum be >pitched? I know they come in all different pitches. To be pitchable >would mean to change the default setting, then? > >And while we're on the subject of my percussive ignorance, why is there >a pillow in a bass drum?
LOL! Okay, bass drums have a hole in the middle of the front. It creates to open of a sound, so to deaden it, we drummers place pillows, blankets, or anything else inside.
BrAd PlUmB Co-President of NARF (North Houston Anime Resistance Force) If you live in Houston and you like anime check us out! NARF Homepage: http://students.ou.edu/T/Joshua.R.Tompkins-1/narf/ "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "High School's much better than Junior High, people still call you names but they don't do it as much to your face." -Welcome to the Dollhouse
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:10:09 -0500 From: "Chris Herbst" <cherbst@usa.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: bass w/o a pick Message-ID: <000301be3eaa$9bb7a9a0$2c3ebfd1@syrinx>
>I actually got kicked out of a band because I had too much oomph in my right hand. Pretty cheap of those guys. >But they're all dead now. I quit a band for the same reason. If you play hard enough, you can get a bright sound without a pick. Besides, it's a pain in the ass looking for one before you can play.
Chris Herbst http://www.chris.herbst.com Cherbst@usa.net ICQ# 27701459 AIM aggrssr
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:18:26 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: New Genre Name Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.990112231655.83378B-100000@archa9.cc.uga.edu>
Supwitchall-- I'd always heard this genre referred to as "Pimp Metal." Seriously. Had to sit through 2 versions of it before the Savatage show in my area last summer.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:19:14 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@hubcap.clemson.edu> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: octobans Message-ID: <001001be3eab$e0f78480$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
]From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> Subject: octobans
>Are octobans what mike hits to kick off 6:00?
yes.
>Also, what does it mean to say a drum can be pitched? Can't any drum be >pitched? I know they come in all different pitches. To be pitchable >would mean to change the default setting, then?
i wonder the same thing - octobans cant have their pitch changed during playing, as umm, that big ass drum they use in symphonic bands that has a pedal below it to change the pitch. i forget what its called :) anyways, i don't own any but i believe the only way to change their pitch is by tuning them, same as other drums. however, you seldom mute octobans, since they have such a small head as it is (6" usually), they don't ring much so i guess its easier to tell the pitch. a muted drum sounds very percussive and not very melodic. which brings us to the next question:
>And while we're on the subject of my percussive ignorance, why is there >a pillow in a bass drum?
to mute it. as i said, an unmuted drum rings and sounds melodic, which isn't a good thing for a bass drum. you want it to sound thumpy. most drummers also mute their toms and stuff, because in general a percussive, "thom" is preferred over "thoooommmmmmm" when you're doing a fill. however, some drummers don't mute them or barely mute them to keep them from sounding too dead. moo.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:33:51 -0600 From: Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net> To: Ytsejammers <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: TTT Message-ID: <369C222F.D1FEC15B@wavetech.net>
Hey If this has been discussed already I wasn't paying attention. Deal with it. I have been trying to write out the intro to TTT (drums mainly) and I get stuck right at the part where the keyboards come in at bar nine. You'll notice that the bass drum continues the rhythm while the snare drum and keys do a different rhythm at what seems to be a different tempo. I think the keys and snare play triplets in 4/4 at a faster tempo than the bass drums' sraight rhythm. The bass drum ends on beat 2 of bar 4 of that tempo, while the snare and keys ends on beat one of bar 5 of tempo2, which continues into the double bass groove. The begin and end on the same beat...I've tried to find some kind of polyrhythm in there and all I can come up with something close to 3 over 2...but It just seems to be two overlapping tempos. Anyone wanna comment?
On another note, is there anywhere I can find the piano music to "Wait for Sleep"?
-Taur
NP: Paradise Lost--Icon
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:51:57 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: octobans Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990113045157.0124c2a4@earthlink.net>
At 08:33 PM 1/12/99 -0800, you wrote: > >]From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> >Subject: octobans > > >>Are octobans what mike hits to kick off 6:00? > >yes. > >>Also, what does it mean to say a drum can be pitched? Can't any drum be >>pitched? I know they come in all different pitches. To be pitchable >>would mean to change the default setting, then? > > >i wonder the same thing - octobans cant have their pitch changed during >playing, as umm, that big ass drum they use in symphonic bands that has a >pedal below it to change the pitch. i forget what its called :)
I believe you're talkin bout Timpani. They're also called kettle drums.
BrAd PlUmB Co-President of NARF (North Houston Anime Resistance Force) If you live in Houston and you like anime check us out! NARF Homepage: http://students.ou.edu/T/Joshua.R.Tompkins-1/narf/ "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "High School's much better than Junior High, people still call you names but they don't do it as much to your face." -Welcome to the Dollhouse
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