YTSEJAM Digest 4558
Today's Topics:
1) Re:Octoban Question
by "Vladimir Dourado" <vdourado@tecepe.com.br>
2) Re: Octoban Question
by "Vladimir Dourado" <vdourado@tecepe.com.br>
3) Get over it.
by "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
4) DT keyboard tabs
by "Pedro Olmo Stancioli Vaz de Melo" <prvmelo@brhs.com.br>
5) Re: New genre name?
by Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
6) shake, rap/metal and roll
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
7) Re: Incubus
by "Paul T. Fini" <fini@engineering.ucsb.edu>
8) KorgX3 gets over it
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
9) Deftones
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
10) Re: New Genre
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
11) Re: shake, rap/metal and roll
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
12) The truss rod!!!!!
by Chris Schulze <killmary@yahoo.com>
13) this and that....
by ETebo323@aol.com
14) basses: active vs. passive
by Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
15)
by "Nicholas" <nickg@gis.net>
16) Korn on the cob? get a real job
by Dave M Klint <davek@csh.rit.edu>
17) Looking for Promos
by MTeiper@aol.com
18) loseriferous emanations
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:51:56 -0200
From: "Vladimir Dourado" <vdourado@tecepe.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re:Octoban Question
Message-ID: <000801be3e5c$a14639c0$6dbdf6c8@valadimir.tecepe.com.br>
Andrew Wrote:
"I just have a quick question regarding those things. What exactly are
they, something like a rototom? From what I've read so far about them on
the list they're a pitched percussion instrument, right? I could only
assume thus that they're a membrane drum."
Well...i used to play with octobans on my drumset...mine was composed of =
4
drums...all of them with 6'' and each one had a different lenght...they=B4=
re
high pitched...and a very peculiar sound...Simon Phillips works with them
very well...
I think it=B4s that...
Cheers!!!
Vlad Rocha
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:54:05 -0200
From: "Vladimir Dourado" <vdourado@tecepe.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Octoban Question
Message-ID: <001301be3e5c$edd93120$6dbdf6c8@valadimir.tecepe.com.br>
Oh...i just forgot to say a thing...
You can pitch the octobans!!!!!!!!
Vlad Rocha
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:09:32 -0600
From: "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Get over it.
Message-ID: <369b9d0c4cb5002@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
This is a quick note. Bear with me. Or go fuck yourself, it's no skin off my
nose.
To all the people bitching about Spice Girls, Boy Bands, Hip-Hop, and pop in
general, and wishing for a music revolution....shut up.
Pop is now what's it's always been. Simple music for people who don't center
their lives around their tunes. Who cares? Why does it make any difference to
you that your 15 year old cousin think Shadow Gallery or whoever sucks? I'll say
it again slowly so you can all hear me: Who...fucking...cares.
Listen to what you like and don't worry about other people.
-Brian
PS...remember this...the metal that most people around here like already had
it's chance at pop success, and like any other pop movement, by definition, it
turned into simplistic, repetitive music. Poison, anyone?
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:34:28 -0300
From: "Pedro Olmo Stancioli Vaz de Melo" <prvmelo@brhs.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: DT keyboard tabs
Message-ID: <199901121915.RAA03320@smtp-gw.homeshopping.com.br>
Hey, If anyone knows where I can find "wait of sleep" or "Space Dye Vest"
keyboard tabs please contact me. Thanks:)
Pedro
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:50:47 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: New genre name?
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990112195047.012343d0@earthlink.net>
At 11:09 AM 1/12/99 -0800, you wrote:
>
>On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Brad Plumb wrote:
>
>> >
>> >Rage Against the Machine, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock,
>> >System of a Down, Hed(Pe), Vanilla Ice's new CD (Believe it or not!),
>> >Clutch, The Deftones...
>> >
>>
>> The Deftones are a ska band I believe. Anyway you forgot Suicidal Tendencies
>
>
> Just a couple of things on this. Deftones are nowhere near a
> ska band. Not a flame, just a statement. They literally are
> not close to a ska band. Very KoRn-ish, but with a singer that
> can scream (which he does too much of IMHO on the last album)
> AND has somewhat of a decent singing voice as well......
>
AHh.. thanks for setting me straight, as I've never really heard them. I
knew that all the ska freaks at my school liked them so I guess I jumped to
a false conclusion. ;)
sorry.
BrAd PlUmB
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:05:08 -0500
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: shake, rap/metal and roll
Message-ID: <369BAAF4.905A8EDC@bigfoot.com>
I have a name for the rap/metal genre. We should call it Rattle!
Anyone from the N.Y. metro area listen to 92.3 today around 12:55? they
played Iron Maiden! I mean, I have NEVER heard IM on 92.3, which is more
an alternative/hard rock station that is very popular. In fact, I have
never heard IM on any radio station, ever. And they played it today.
Metal is definitely more popular than it was a few years ago, and I
think Rattle has something to do with that.
And I like the new Korn single.
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel "Shop Smart. Shop...S-Mart!"------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:19:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul T. Fini" <fini@engineering.ucsb.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Incubus Message-ID: <Pine.GHP.4.02.9901121212400.1445-100000@oyster.ucsb.edu>
Al most wisely intoned:
>Anyway, to add a couple of other things, another band that kinda >fits in this genre so to speak is INCUBUS. I can't say enough of >these guys. Their style kinda fits into this type of genre >(crunchy grooves with intermittent turntable scratching, etc), >BUT and a big one at that, is that the singer has an excellent >excellent voice and actually uses it a lot, and plus a lot of the >music is very funk oriented as well. A great combination, and >IMHO the best band out of this entire genre. They also are >excellent in concert. I saw them with System of a Down a few >months ago, and both of them were really impressive. If anything, >go see Incubus or pick up their album, or check out some of their >sound files (www.enjoyincubus.com).
All I can say is yes, yes, YES! Can I get a witness! Ever since I saw these guys open for Primus with Mark Stahl (also on the 'jam), I was convinced that they were (and are) heads above the rest. Their unique style and kick-ass live presence make them one of my fave bands. And dare I say they incorporate prog elements (!) into a groove-supported structure that just makes you want to shake your bootay. I'm really, really looking forward to the next album from these guys... rumor has it they'll be heading back into the studio after the current tour stint.
Paul
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:32:39 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: KorgX3 gets over it Message-ID: <005901be3e6a$e4f0e2c0$0201010a@chuck>
>Or go fuck yourself, it's no skin off my nose
*chuckles and sends Brian to Tom's for some rhinoplastic surgery.
>To all the people bitching about Spice Girls, Boy Bands, Hip-Hop, and pop >general, and wishing for a music revolution....shut up.
<hypocrisy>Hear, hear! Damn whiny people!</hypocrisy> Nah, I will always bitch about the current state of music. It will go on until the end of my days. I'm just one of the few that will accept the fact that it will never change. Simply because it won't change doesn't mean I can't fight it, though. heheheh.
Actually, I have no gripes about the actual media forms that DO possess musical content. The Divas aren't bad, the Spice Girls might have had a decent song or two... It's all of the crap that flows from behind the scenes that bugs me. Each era has had their share of groups that make it big because a bunch of chicks think they're all cute n' shit. N' Sync, Backstreet Boys, NKOTB, Menudo, The Jackson 5, Orville and Wilbur Wright, etc. I would prefer to base my personal success on my musical acheivements rather than how many months in a row I was profiled in Teen Beat Magazine. Some people think otherwise. *shrugs*
*transforms into a PEZ dispenser* -- KorgPEZ3
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:35:21 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Deftones Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498091A5@messaging>
<<<The Deftones are a ska band I believe.>>>
OH, MAN, WAYYYY WRONG. :) The Deftones are a kick-ass metal/hardcore band. Both of their CD's are pretty solid. The singer/screamer is very original, very much influenced by female lead vox (but he can't sing quite as high as Andre). Very thick guitar (Carpenter has a pretty cool tone), tight drumming, and these screechy, yet powerful vox. No horns in sight....
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:55:01 -0600 (CST) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: New Genre Message-ID: <1999112151330341@ix.netcom.com>
<<Rage Against the Machine, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, System of a Down, Hed(Pe), Vanilla Ice's new CD (Believe it or not!), Clutch, The Deftones...>>
Poser metal. The media calls them metal, but ask any big metalhead, and they'll rag on bands like these so much. Joe Stump, and the guitarist from Death come to mind (in fact, I think the Death guitarist said "as a metalhead, Korn deeply offends me" or something like that). If the jeans are baggy, the clothes are Hilfiger, and the music has a hip hop flavor (or as they would say, flayva ;-) its not metal, its merely hip hop with guitars, and IMO, it sucks. Another "band" the media calls metal but isnt is Maralin Manson. I despise these "poser metal" bands, for they are the reason bands that deserve to be heard (Symphony X comes to mind first) aren't (I dont mention DT since they are on a major label, and you can buy them in this country ;-).
Matt
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:03:34 -0500 (EST) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: shake, rap/metal and roll Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990112155516.5469B-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Joshua Rasiel wrote:
> > I have a name for the rap/metal genre. We should call it Rattle! > > Anyone from the N.Y. metro area listen to 92.3 today around 12:55? they > played Iron Maiden! I mean, I have NEVER heard IM on 92.3, which is more > an alternative/hard rock station that is very popular. In fact, I have > never heard IM on any radio station, ever. And they played it today.
Between 12 and 1, it's all-request with Stuttering John. Whatever you want played, they'll play (more or less), as long as they have it. I know for a fact that they have Awake there. Plus, I'm assuming they have a lot of older classic rock stuff, since that was their previous format. So Genesis, Rush, etc., and the other "older" prog stuff should be there.
I believe you can also request songs from their website, which is www.krockradio.com. The name of the request show is Out to Lunch.....actually, emailing webmaster@krockradio.com with Out to Lunch as the subject is the way to request over the Internet..........
Hi.....my name is Josh...and uh.... > And I like the new Korn single. >
cool, melikes too.
-Al
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:31:13 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Schulze <killmary@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: The truss rod!!!!! Message-ID: <19990112213113.24366.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com>
Cowdude is having problems with his guitar. Yup, adjusting the tross rod is exactly what you need to do. See, humidity and air pressure not only get your guitar out of tune, but they also make the neck "move" - which means it can "straighten up" - move back - or "losen up" - move forward. Moving forward is what me and my friends know as skate-ramp effect :) It can get really bad on cheap guitars or in some of those Ibanez guitars that have necks thin as paper.
If you don't want to adjust the tross rod just take it to a guitar shop, that's common procedure. Might cost you anywhere from 20 to 50 bux.
It's not a big deal though, if you want to do it yourself, just losen up the strings, remove the tross rod cover (in your guitar it will be at the end of the fretboard with the tuners), get the right type of key (it should come with the guitar) and turn it clockwise to straighten up or counterclockwise to losen it up. Since your neck is straightened up more than it should, you want to losen it up. To know if it is at the correct point, verify your first and 6th strings - hold them pressed at the 12th fret and verify the hight at about the 5th fret. You should be able to slip a business card under the string at that point - you don't want the string to be touching the fretboard at all, that means the neck is too straight or maybe even bent to the wrong side (to the back). You don't want it too far off the neck either because it would mean your neck is too lose.
I set up all my friends guitars and basses cuz I get a much nicer setup than any of the guitar stores around :) It's not rocket science at all, it just takes a bit of time and patience. A guy doing 20 guitars a day probably doesn't have much of either.
Good luck. Don't blame me if you break it :)
Christian.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:34:32 EST From: ETebo323@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: this and that.... Message-ID: <4231121e.369bbfe8@aol.com>
On LitS, John Myung is using his fingers. The only time I've heard him do any other techinque would be slapping(maybe) at the beginning of Your Majesty. I'm pretty sure it is though. What he is probably doing is plucking real close to the bridge which gives that short, snappy sound.
Deftones are not ska at all. They are very heavy. They are almost Emo.
And about the truss rod... I have a Jackson ps-4 too. it still buzzes and I've had it for 4 years. But one thing is to lower or raise the bridge. If you've already done that, then play with the truss rod. The on;y reason people say not to touch it is that if you turn it too much, you can snap the neck. You should never have to turn it more than a 1/4 turn. Look down the neck and make sure its straight. left-loose, right tight. they more loose the more it bends forward, the tighter the more it bends back. This whole deal pissed me off so much, I bought myself a new guitar, My Carvin DC127c with flame package, which i love to death. I will never need another guitar, except a 7-string, but if anyone hasn't tried a carvin, do it now!!!!! You won't regret it!!
Eric Thibaut
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:39:07 +0300 From: Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: basses: active vs. passive Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990113003907.009225e0@messagebox.com>
Hello jammerz! And particularly the bassists!
I just wanted to jump in with a question what do you guys think about active basses?
I am currently using an Ibanez Ergodyne bass and like it more than my good old Yamaha. Ibanez has got active pickups system, and I always thought that it gives more opportunities for wider sound variations - and the Ibanez proved this to me, but recently I hapenned to be playing at a studio where the sound engineer complained alot about active basses, and said that this was total crap, not worth buying at all... So, I just thought I'd ask expert's opinions, c'mon guys, what d'ya think about this?
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:00:15 -0500 From: "Nicholas" <nickg@gis.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Message-ID: <199901122157.QAA17978@home.gis.net>
>Most of these bands are labeled under "Hardcore" right now. But I >agree, this genre needs a new label. Howbout "Hip-Metal", or >"Slam-core" or "Something-core".
"Shit" works for me. :)
>Well..lots of metal bass players use picks.. like Jason Newsted,
Using a pick on bass has its advantages - I, for one, can't use my fingers to go ultra-fast on the right hand due to a physical deformity, so I have to use a pick at times. Other people simply prefer the sound of a pic to their fingers (i.e. Frankie Bello used a stainless steel pick on 'Got the Time' because he got that much more attack out of it than his fingers, which he normally uses). Others prefer to use a pick because it does a halfway decent job of muting an aggressive right-hand method - slapping the strings can create a nasty popping sound (i.e. Steve Harris).
I actually got kicked out of a band because I had too much oomph in my right hand. Pretty cheap of those guys. But they're all dead now.
- Nick
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:21:11 -0500 From: Dave M Klint <davek@csh.rit.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Korn on the cob? get a real job Message-ID: <199901122221.RAA00951@elwood.csh.rit.edu>
First let me say I'm giddy that I sparked off a synapse in Korg's cynical brain. You are by far my favorite jammer. And now on to rebuttal:
>Hell, I think AnthraX was the first to jump at the idea. Bingo. Very true with this one, all the mixes they did on the Killer B's and a lot of other records were way ahead of their time. But Anthrax has never claimed to me mainstream, not even in their genre.
>A record company seeking profit will NEVER allow this. Talent is to Radio >as Mogwais are to Midnight Snacks. These are the words of a truely war-hardened prog veteran. I couldn't agree more in some ways, but I think you have to expand your scope beyond the last ten to twenty years in order to truly analyze this. Radio stations and record companies play what the people demand (for the most part), and in the late 70's during the era of disco, producers realized that people don't like stuff that's too complicated for them to learn. People were drawn to mind-numbing beats and repetative styles that just looped over and over until the listener had to buy the album to get it out of their head. This gave rise to the dawn of pop music as we know it today, and began the slow but steady fall of the broader deffinition of Rock and Roll. Gone were the days of Woodstock and the music of the 60's that EVERYBODY liked, gone were the hay days of the metal godfathers like Led Zepplin and Rush (even though they were by no means out of the picture). Music started to change, and dispite the efforts of many talented bands and musicians of the 80's, they were overshadowed by the "Girls, Girls, Girls" bands, the hair bands etc.. The steady demand for non-talent music was on the rise, and it was only given a boost when grunge-rock hit the scene in the early 90's. Here were albums going double platinum with every song consisting of 3 power chords and whining vocals. Now today, we are faced with the demise of the bands of that era (Nirvana, Soundgarden, STP, etc.), with nothing to replace them but the ever growing popular lust for Rap, Pop, R&B, and other songs to have sex too.
What's the point? Well, the point is that if you look back 30 years, it wasn't always this way. Record companies and the public at large didn't always shun a shredding guitar solo, or a maddening drum beat. The public used to like bands like (early) Yes and Genesis, or the guitar wonders like (Cream/Yardbirds) Clapton and Hendrix. Everything goes in cycles, and I think its time we rose back to the top.
That's my take on my very very abbridged version of modern music history. Please correct or expand if needed. Rock on.
-davek NP: Genesis, Foxtrot (1972)
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:59:24 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Looking for Promos Message-ID: <4231aa0d.369bd3cc@aol.com>
Hey Jammers -
I'm looking for web sites that offer promos for sale, including some older promos, maybe 5 years old or so. There is one site out there that I know of, Vinyl Vendors (www.vinylvendors.com), and they are really good with this sort of stuff. They offer promos, single releases, and other stuff. Plus, they have a search engine on their site, and they take the time to list all tracks on the items. This is exactly the type of site I'm looking for..... does anyone out there know of any others on the web? Thanks in advance, folks!!
- Matt T.
NP: Bruce Dickinson "The Chemical Wedding"
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:23:21 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: loseriferous emanations Message-ID: <19990112232321.18520.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Rage Against the Machine, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, >System of a Down, Hed(Pe), Vanilla Ice's new CD (Believe it or
vanilla ice went metal? what a sell-out!
interesting grouping of bands.....i don't like Korn or limp bizkit, rage gets on my nerves, i have system of a down and can't figure out whether i like it or not, but it's intriguing as all get out, and Kid Rock....well, he's local (Detroit) so he's cool in my book.....
funny thing, I'd disagree with Al's statement below.....the System of a Down is very very very hard to figure out, but it's something that I anyway can't dismiss out of hand, and the disc makes me really want to check these dudes out in a live setting, if only to see whether the guy can pull off the vocal aeronautics he does on records.....and the music is cool, too, one song sounds like it coulda fit on Thrak (until it gets heavy), every other song refuses to remain in the same mode throughout, going from death metal to polka metal at the drop of a hat......i wrote out a mid-sized SoaD review, if anyone wants a coupla more details......
partha
> System of a Down - well, if you have money to blow, go see them. > If you like the show, THEN buy the album. Don't > buy the album until you see them first. Otherwise, it'll be a > very difficult thing to swallow. > > > There's my $0.02.... > > > -Al > > >====================================================================== > b l i n d l a b o r s t h e b l i n d a n d I a m > u n w i l l i n g t o u n c o v e r m y e y e s >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >balkiewi@umdnj.edu----sigma982@yahoo.com----abalkiewicz@healthways.org >HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html > > > > > >------------------------------ > >End of YTSEJAM Digest 4557 >************************** >
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