YTSEJAM Digest 4557
Today's Topics:
1) They sound line Korn, eh?
by Dave M Klint <davek@csh.rit.edu>
2) Nevermore
by "Kenn Jensen" <kenn@email.dk>
3) MP3s!
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
4) Re: New Genre name
by Darth1@aol.com
5) Re: Tabs? / Bass Tip
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@hubcap.clemson.edu>
6) Re: Steve Morse
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
7) stuck changer
by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
8) Snapplecore.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
9) Ice Ice Baby! :)
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
10) Re: New genre name?
by Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
11) Adjusting Guitars (yay!)
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@hubcap.clemson.edu>
12) Re: Ice Ice Baby! :)
by polzin edward george <polzin@ews.uiuc.edu>
13) re: Crichton, Morse
by Bret Linford <roderashe@cableone.net>
14) DTIFC Christmas CD's
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
15) New Queensryche
by "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
16) Pickin' Bass Playerz
by IceQD@aol.com
17) Re: New genre name?
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:25:09 -0500
From: Dave M Klint <davek@csh.rit.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: They sound line Korn, eh?
Message-ID: <199901121525.KAA18955@elwood.csh.rit.edu>
I'm going to setno dodo/lurker for a moment to comment on this.
It is totally true that this "rap over rock" hard core crap has been
around forever. Even the posterchilds, Korn, have been around for many
years, but it is just now that they are getting radio play and developing
more than a small following. I don't think that this should be read as
bandwagon or trendy or any of those elitist words that people use to
put down the mainstream. Don't get me wrong, I think that the music that
is liked by the few is usually the best music, but let's face it: music
needs a kick in the ass. Divas, Boy Bands, Sampling, Pop, R&B, all these
terms make me want to PUKE MY BRAINS OUT! I want to throw every TV and
radio out the window because of these void-of-substance, no talent,
repetative, teeniebopper bands that have taken over our land. If it takes
a revival of hard core, energy filled sound to revitalize the rock scene
and shove it up the collective ass of the spice girls, then ROCK ON!
However, as with every musical revolution, there has to be something different.
It has been proven time and time again that there is nothing new under
the sun, but _something_ has to be there to catch people's ear. My
prediction is this: hardcore metal/rap will evolve to actually include
talented artist, and once a 'they sound like Korn' band can whip out a
Petrucci guitar solo, THEN you're going to see a rock revolution. Mark
my words. Remember this rule: anything that cannot be _played_ live is a fad
and will ultimatly die (witness Techno, industrial, etc...). But if
you can have music with the energy and drive of Techno and such, but you
can actually _perform_ it live, you will succeed.
End the words of the seer sage sooth sayer.
-davek
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:36:53 +0100
From: "Kenn Jensen" <kenn@email.dk>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Nevermore
Message-ID: <008d01be3e41$7399acc0$a609f2d4@bcc10174>
In YTSEJAM 4555 Hitomi Iwai wrote:
>>Supposedly opening for them are NOCTURNAL RITES, SACRED STEEL, and
>>LEFAY(?)<
>It's MORGANA LEFAY from Sweden I believe, I don't know their
>sound, though.<
Actually you are as right as you are wrong - MORGANA LEFAY has changed their
name to LEFAY and will release the album "The Seventh Seal" thru' Noise
Records on February 22nd. There you go...
>I can say their new album "Dreaming Neon Black" is their best
>album. Especially an intelligent singer Warrel's lyrics are amazing!
>This new album will come out on the 19th of this month in
>Europe, and on the 26th in the States from Century Media.<
Once again I have to correct you (sorry bro') but it was actually released
here in Europe yesterday, but you are right it was supposed to be released
next week, but for a reason beyond my knowledge it was released
yesterday....
Later
Kenn
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:23:11 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: YtseLand <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: MP3s!
Message-ID: <369B68DE.9C3C90ED@mol.com.mk>
Does anyone knows URLs of some MP3 libraries?
Any kind of songs, wide choices if possible!
Specifically I wanna know if there's some Zappa MP3 sites! Studio or
live songs! I know there are Zappa fans here! Alan Estrada maybe know
some?
Someone recently posted about Hell's Kitchen MP3 but I couldn't find it!
Where is it?
Thanks!
--CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:53:38 EST From: Darth1@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: New Genre name Message-ID: <fe6ec0b2.369b7002@aol.com>
In a message dated 1/12/99 8:59:08 AM Central Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
> As I'm sure you all know, there's a new (or not so new, depending on how > you look at it) movement in American metal lately. A segment of bands > are starting to combine the urban sounds of rap with that of the > crunchiness of the guitar, resulting in a hybrid sort of rap/metal. > Some examples are: > > Rage Against the Machine, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, > System of a Down, Hed(Pe), Vanilla Ice's new CD (Believe it or not!), > Clutch, The Deftones...
Most of these bands are labeled under "Hardcore" right now. But I agree, this genre needs a new label. Howbout "Hip-Metal", or "Slam-core" or "Something- core". Bands of this genre are popping up all over the place and they are getting MUCH airplay. I recently got back from South America where I happened to attend a New Years eve bash with 6 Alterna-Metal style local bands. 2 out of the 6 bands that played were of the above genre... One pretty great band called Kerux played in the style of Rage Against the Machine with Christian lyrics (I thought it was a cool mixture!) The lead singer was a 6' 4" Afro- Brazilian, thin as a pencil. He had the crowd jumping, moshing and going completely crazy! The day after, that's all anyone talked about! So, yes, this genre is definately gaining in popularity and deserves to be recognized.
Josh S.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:03:27 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@hubcap.clemson.edu> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Tabs? / Bass Tip Message-ID: <000601be3e45$17759540$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
]From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> Subject: Re: Tabs? / Bass Tip
>from Fear Factory picks, Life Of agony bassist, surprisingly enough the guys from >Korn and limp bizkit dont !, the guys from rancid, pennywise and the offspring
it's not surprising that they don't - i haven't heard limp bizkit but at least korn, they play so low that a pick would sound like total shit. they want the heavy, thick low A sound, not a high tinny sound. or something. and all you naysayers who say korn sucks - listen to the drumlines sometime. moo.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:15:08 -0500 From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com> To: The Divine Wings of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Steve Morse Message-ID: <4.1.19990112101538.0092b690@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Brian H. on "High Tension Wires": >I picked that disc up when it came >out, but it was not what I was expecting. Tumeni Notes was the most >jamming song on there. I would warn anyone thinking about picking it >up that it's more of an Irish, New Age disc. Very mellow, not heavy at >all. (I like mellow sometimes, but this one is not really my cup of >tea.)
If you're looking for heavy Morse or more shredding Morse, pick up "Southern Steel", "Coast to Coast", or "Structural Damage". Each of them has plenty of heavy rock tunes with tasteful shred, as well as some more mellow stuff. Check out the duel with Jeff Watson on the opening track of "Southern Steel".
ta, Phil
================================================== Phil Carter -- Usefulware Tech Support -- phil@usefulware.com "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:19:57 -0500 From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: stuck changer Message-ID: <369B762D.F1D43A3D@trw.com>
> Hey, I had a similar problem with my car cd player ... actually, I've had > the problem twice, and it's always on CDRs. The greenbacks and some of the > cheaper gold backs. The cd won't eject, but it will play... that sort of > thing. Both times it took more than a day to get it out, and it was only a > miracle that it did (poking and prodding the player in its most sensitive > areas did nothing to help me... just pressed eject for the 1000th time and > it worked). I'd be interested to know if this is a CDR related issue, or a > freak coincidence. Al? Jens? :)
I beleive it is definitely a CDR problem in these cases. Check out the cd-r FAQ for more detailed info (http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/). I believe the main problem is the lack of a complete universal standard for cd media and player/recorders.
My crappy JVC 12 disc car changer has gotten stuck many times but not with cd-r discs. Dont ever buy a JVC car cd changer! I've had nothing but problems with them. A cd-r disc in it just skips continually when played. I guess I am lucky it didn't get my changer stuck...
NP:Rush-Presto
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:58:54 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Snapplecore. Message-ID: <003e01be3e4c$db788d60$0201010a@chuck>
>you're right, not new. bands have been doing it for a while - downset, even >biohazard have done the "rap over rock" thing for years. its just now >starting to get popular (read: trendy). the category names i hear used the
"If you see a bandwagon, you're too late."
Hell, I think AnthraX was the first to jump at the idea. Then I remember seeing Biohazard do it, then I saw Onyx do it (with Biohazard). It was actually sort of cool back then (well, AnthraX always has been cool), but now it's becoming a typical resurgeant trend that makes the whole idea taste bad. I just hope it doesn't get too out of hand.
>talented artist, and once a 'they sound like Korn' band can whip out a >Petrucci guitar solo, THEN you're going to see a rock revolution. Mark
A record company seeking profit will NEVER allow this. Talent is to Radio as Mogwais are to Midnight Snacks. Record companies avoid talent, it costs too much and violates the rules. Any band with actual talent is to be hereby referred to as "buttrock" as preordained by the youth of the 90's. Not to be discussed positively in public without bearing humiliating circumstances.
It really makes me sick when the average teenage music listener is actually appalled by talent in any way. They hear a guitar solo and start bitching about wanking and show offs, then promptly dismiss something as buttrock. One time in Wal-Mart there were two who came across a Dream Theater CD and started making fun of it while I was an aisle away. Laughing at the cover saying how much they must suck. I promptly made my way to the canned goods aisle, returned with a can of Chunky Chicken KoRn Chowder, downed it, and belched flames of death at them. I did once give them the opportunity to repent as I incinerated them to smoking husks wafting about two pair of Air Jordans. They didn't once. *growls*
>Well..lots of metal bass players use picks.. like Jason Newsted, Dave
I'm pretty sure Rex does, too... Can't remember if it was a pic of him or Dave Ellefson I'm thinking of right now, though. Hell, I pick bass, too. It all depends on what I'm doing. I don't have the stamina to fingerpick bass very fast, so I have to apply a plectrum when I play good fast metal stuff. Otherwise, if I'm just groovin', I'll Geddy out with my fingers. I can play circles around the Gedster at 3.14 bpm. I have more patience and am more accurate as I can calculate pi to 30 decimal places in my head.
You've got to ponder the worth of our knowledge when we can't even calculate pi completely. -- KorgX3 am the man.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:01:33 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Ice Ice Baby! :) Message-ID: <369B7FED.68D636AE@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 02:32:36 PST > From: "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com> > > Vanilla Ice's new CD (Believe it or not!),
No way! What is he doing again in music? :) --
CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:12:18 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: New genre name? Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990112171218.01233ca0@earthlink.net>
At 02:48 AM 1/12/99 -0800, you wrote: > >Hello Jammers! Out I come from hiding to propose a new thread that >might interest you: > >As I'm sure you all know, there's a new (or not so new, depending on how >you look at it) movement in American metal lately. A segment of bands >are starting to combine the urban sounds of rap with that of the >crunchiness of the guitar, resulting in a hybrid sort of rap/metal. >Some examples are: > >Rage Against the Machine, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, >System of a Down, Hed(Pe), Vanilla Ice's new CD (Believe it or not!), >Clutch, The Deftones... >
The Deftones are a ska band I believe. Anyway you forgot Suicidal Tendencies (who've been doign this a hell of a lot longer than any of these other bands) and Stuck Mojo (who aren't very well known... Century Media and stuff). Originally, this was thrash before Pantera took over that genre and redefined it. No name as of right now. blah.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:22:18 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@hubcap.clemson.edu> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Adjusting Guitars (yay!) Message-ID: <001701be3e50$1b6bada0$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
Hey hey. Aiming to scale the MFP list in one day. A question for you smart people out there. I went home to Puerto Rico for christmas. while there, i bought myself new strings, put them on the guitar, and after a week or so (allowing time for them to strech and such) i took time and adjusted my guitar (a Jackson PS-4) so i all but eliminated the buzz and the action was low. Great. Now i came back up to school in Clemson, SC, and now my guitar is buzzing all over the place. I know change in temperature/humidity can change tuning of strings, but can it alter the settings of the guitar itself?
Also, can anyone explain to me (or point me to a website or something) how to adjust the truss rod? i believe this is what my guitar needs, as even with a relatively high action (over 1/4" or so) it still buzzes around the 2nd and 3rd frets, especially on the G string. But everyone i ask gets wide-eyed and says "don't touch the truss rod!!" Is it really that complicated/dangerous? i'd like to get rid of this buzz once and for all. Thanks. Moo.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:22:40 -0600 (CST) From: polzin edward george <polzin@ews.uiuc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Ice Ice Baby! :) Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990112112116.2029B-100000@eesn23.ews.uiuc.edu>
yeah, he was touring last summer. he came to u of i in champaign in may, and believe it or not, he sold out a small club and added another show.
On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, CyberDuke wrote:
> > > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 02:32:36 PST > > From: "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com> > > > > Vanilla Ice's new CD (Believe it or not!), > > No way! What is he doing again in music? :) > -- > > CyberDuke > _______________________________________________________ > Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ > E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk > ICQ# 17392722 > _______________________________________________________ >
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:43:25 +0000 From: Bret Linford <roderashe@cableone.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: Crichton, Morse Message-ID: <369B193C.875@cableone.net>
Brian Hansen wrote regarding the Steve Morse album "High Tension Wires": > Tumeni Notes was the most > jamming song on there. I would warn anyone thinking about picking it > up that it's more of an Irish, New Age disc. Very mellow, not heavy at > all. (I like mellow sometimes, but this one is not really my cup of > tea.)
I agree that it doesn't jam as much as anything else Steve has done BUT I think many Morse fans would agree that the music on the disc may be some of the most moving of his career...
-- Bret _________________________________________________ "He's dancing on the pedals in an immodest way!"
-Commentator Phil Liggett on Dag-Otto Lauritzen's ride up Luz-Ardiden in the 1987 Tour de France. _________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:48:04 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: DTIFC Christmas CD's Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498091A3@messaging>
If ANYONE is willing to sell their '96 and '97 fan club xmas CD's, I'd definitely be willing to pay good money for them. PLEASE e-mail me privately if you wish to sell them to me. Thanks!!
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 9:46 -0800 From: "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: New Queensryche Message-ID: <199901121812.KAA15164@knight.axnet.net>
I don't have web access here at work, but I just heard on 99.9 KISW in Seattle that QR will be on at 8:45am PST playing their new shit. I'm not sure if you can get this station over the web, but their website is (predictably) www.kisw.com if any of you guys wanted to give it a whirl. -Rahul Ananda
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:27:27 EST From: IceQD@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Pickin' Bass Playerz Message-ID: <d184a60e.369b940f@aol.com>
AyameYuki@aol.com wrote:
>, ive never seen a bassist ( or myself ) play bass with a pick. it sounds >like >an amazing phenomenon for a bassist to see another bassist use a pick.
I play bass with a pick, gives a nice clicky sound. The Queensryche bass player uses one when he records, but not always live . I also finger play and do the 8 fingered stuff. I play slap bass a little. But then I play electric and electric-acoustic guitar without a pick (cos I started out on classical geetar) while also being able to play with one. Depends on the song really..................
Ice Queen Rulez is made for breakin', be yourself and be truly free!
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:50:56 -0500 (EST) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: New genre name? Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990112134228.28487A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Brad Plumb wrote:
> > > >Rage Against the Machine, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, > >System of a Down, Hed(Pe), Vanilla Ice's new CD (Believe it or not!), > >Clutch, The Deftones... > > > > The Deftones are a ska band I believe. Anyway you forgot Suicidal Tendencies
Just a couple of things on this. Deftones are nowhere near a ska band. Not a flame, just a statement. They literally are not close to a ska band. Very KoRn-ish, but with a singer that can scream (which he does too much of IMHO on the last album) AND has somewhat of a decent singing voice as well......
Anyway, to add a couple of other things, another band that kinda fits in this genre so to speak is INCUBUS. I can't say enough of these guys. Their style kinda fits into this type of genre (crunchy grooves with intermittent turntable scratching, etc), BUT and a big one at that, is that the singer has an excellent excellent voice and actually uses it a lot, and plus a lot of the music is very funk oriented as well. A great combination, and IMHO the best band out of this entire genre. They also are excellent in concert. I saw them with System of a Down a few months ago, and both of them were really impressive. If anything, go see Incubus or pick up their album, or check out some of their sound files (www.enjoyincubus.com).
System of a Down - well, if you have money to blow, go see them. If you like the show, THEN buy the album. Don't buy the album until you see them first. Otherwise, it'll be a very difficult thing to swallow.
There's my $0.02....
-Al
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