YTSEJAM Digest 4556
Today's Topics:
1) Re: 24 disc SAFE! (ndtc)
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
2) The Truth Is Out There.
by Uroborosss@aol.com
3) Re: Free "The Rudess Experiment" discs.......nah
by "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
4) Xmas cd
by Mauricio <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
5) re: Crichton, Morse
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
6) Re: Korg DW8000
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
7) Help: Looking for some rare Flotsam and Jetsam
by MTeiper@aol.com
8) Televoid
by Andrew Miller <majesty2112@yahoo.com>
9) Re: Tabs? / Bass Tip
by AyameYuki@aol.com
10) CDs stuck and does Myung pick
by "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
11) tama website
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
12) dtc?
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
13) Re: Octoban question
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
14) New genre name?
by "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
15) ADV: You just can't believe it!!
by Deal <dealm@hosted2u.net>
16) Re: New genre name?
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@hubcap.clemson.edu>
17) Re: Tabs? / Bass Tip
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
18) Re: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4554
by "Christi?n Oviedo" <chris_ov@hotmail.com>
19) Detroit Prog/Tiles info
by "Garinger, Andrew" <agaringer@SIWEB.COM>
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:20:04 -0500
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: 24 disc SAFE! (ndtc)
Message-ID: <000c01be3d65$1a00bdc0$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
]From: Bill Jackson <bill_jackson@usa.net>
Subject: 24 disc SAFE! (ndtc)
>but they won't eject, and I can't load any more! I disassembled it,
>but can't find anything that would help me, other than smashing it open
>with a hammer. I might just have to do that, if I ever want to hear
>Rush, DT, QR, or Fates Warning again!
wouldn't it be cheaper to buy new cds than to buy a new cd player?
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:24:01 EST
From: Uroborosss@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: The Truth Is Out There.
Message-ID: <d49b125b.369a4fd1@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-01-08 22:22:13 EST, Brain Hansen wrote:
> Mulder - "But Scully, what do we REALLY know about genetics and the
> effect of the bovine growth hormone on humans born without brain
> stems? Doesn't it logically follow that the ingestion of mutant milk
> may have paved the way for the growth of a hybrid brain stem?
Scully - "Mulder... Are you suggesting that the cause of this phenomenon bears
a direct correlation to the inner sanctum of milk-hydrogenization plants?"
> And with the constant exposure to heavy metal music, there's no telling
> what kind of monster may have been created. It may have been grazing here
> for years without ever being noticed, just waiting for an opportunity
> to breed and spread it's mutated genes across the earth, maybe across
> the galaxy."
Scully - "So you're acting under the belief that the primary reasoning behind
the question of who set in motion the idea that our search ends with the
assertion that heavy metal will bring about the end of the universe DIDN'T
originate within the milk industry? Exactly whose brain stem did this
reasoning stem from? Did this reasoning stem from YOUR brain stem?? Dammit
Mulder, what the hell is going on?!"
Trust No One.
Except Bafu Vai.
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:32:38 -0000
From: "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Free "The Rudess Experiment" discs.......nah
Message-ID: <009d01be3d6f$3d65d2a0$0200005a@Kez>
The CowGod mooed:
>
>> From: gszumski <gszumski@neo.rr.com>
>> Subject: re: Free "The Rudess Experiment" discs to leaders of the DT
fanclubs
>>
>> >I'm giving away one free Rudess disc to each of the regional
>>
>> I want one too! Then I can play it on Ytseradio. That would be
>
>they're available for $23 at http://scarred.mit.edu/.
Yup. Should be getting mine any day now. C'mon George, fork over the cash,
stop looking for handouts. :)
And I will be playing this gem on MY YtseJam Radio show, which is on from
10-12 PM EST every Friday and Saturday evening. Please join me, won't you?
http://www.dreamt.org/ytseradio/
Tune in, or regret that you didn't. It's your choice.
DJKez
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:42:21 -0600
From: Mauricio <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Xmas cd
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990111134221.007d4c30@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
To the Central and South American jammers:
Have any of you guys recieved already the Xmas cd (if you are a member of
the DTIFC of course)?
I m supposed to recieve it, along with my starter pack, but that hasn=B4t
arrived yet.
Just wanted to know if the package is supposed to be on my hands already,
or if i have to point this problem out to Neil Elliot.
Thanks,
Mauricio
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:47:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re: Crichton, Morse
Message-ID: <19990111204700.8475.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com>
In response to my post about Ian Crichton, Mike and Nick mentioned
Steve Morse.
Mike Patrick wrote:
>Three words: 'High Tension Wires'
"Nick Guadagnoli" <progrockboy@linkline.com> wrote:
> Two words: "Tumeni Notes"
Yeah, that's definately a cool song on that Morse disc. He's kinda
saying "see, I can do the Van Halen and Yngwie thing too." (But he's
calling it "Too Many Notes"...) I picked that disc up when it came
out, but it was not what I was expecting. Tumeni Notes was the most
jamming song on there. I would warn anyone thinking about picking it
up that it's more of an Irish, New Age disc. Very mellow, not heavy at
all. (I like mellow sometimes, but this one is not really my cup of
tea.)
- BH
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:37:22 -0500
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Korg DW8000
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990111193722.00805d10@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
Chris. Get it. Not only is it DT related, but it a nice analog synth, well
actually digital oscilators, analog everything else. if you don't know what
oscillators are, don't ask me, i just quote literature. Regardless, if you
already have analog gear like a Roland jd800 or something, then this may
not be as important, but it does do cool sounds and I enjoyed playing on one.
At 12:27 PM 1/8/1999 -0800, you wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> Just a quick question/need advice post:
> Ive got a chance to get a Korg DW8000 for $260.00 in good shape. Do
any of
> you guys have one? Is it worth the price? Are the sounds it makes really
> unique, or should I put the money to a Korg N1 rack Ive been thinking about?
> Of course, Im really interested because it was the synth Kevin Moore used
> on WDADU, but if it is a genuinely cool keyboard and would be a worthwhile
> addition to my ever-growing collection on paraphenalia, then that would
be my
> reason for buying it.
> Could anyone who has used or has one please email me a quick review?
> Thanks!
> -Chris
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:07:43 EST
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Help: Looking for some rare Flotsam and Jetsam
Message-ID: <e11da6da.369aae6f@aol.com>
Hey everybody -
I am hoping that somebody out there can help me out. It has recently come to
my attention that a promo CD was released in 1993 to coincide with the
Foundations Forum (officially titled "Foundations Forum '93 CD Sampler") with
an unreleased Flotsam and Jetsam track on it called "News To Me". I was
wondering if anyone out there has this and would be willing to part with it,
or at least set up a trade. If not the original or a CDR copy, maybe we can
set up a tape trade. I really want to hear this track. Private e-mail
please.
Thanks a lot.... Matt T.
DTC!!!!! ----> NP: Winter Rose :-)
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:25:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Andrew Miller <majesty2112@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Televoid
Message-ID: <19990111182538.6497.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com>
Televoid is a long form music video that Scott Rockenfield produced &
played music for. I own it and have to say if anything it is very
interesting, and a neat addition to any Queensryche collection. It is
animated and goes through a series of about 12 scenes, each scene with
it's own song. Most of the songs are intrumental in nature and a
primally electronic, but the video does however contain one scene
which includes the song "Chasing Blue Sky" a b-side for the Hear in
the Now Frontier cd. You can order the video from most any record
store, and there is a cd available of the music in the soundtrack
section of most video stores. The acutal video is like a cross
between a Tool video and Doom (the video game).
andrew miller
ytsejam@Udel.Edu or majesty2112@yahoo.com
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:12:19 EST
From: AyameYuki@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Tabs? / Bass Tip
Message-ID: <395576b5.369acba3@aol.com>
thanks for the info ( i checked with a jammer who has the solo recorded on a
blank CD ), and you are right, my friend and i were half right ( so that
cancels and make you correct over both of us! L:) ). and for a quick bass tip
, ive never seen a bassist ( or myself ) play bass with a pick. it sounds like
an amazing phenomenon for a bassist to see another bassist use a pick. i
thought using your own fingers were the best tip, but make it sound different
than the standard beat. ( refer to BASSPLAYER's 10th Anniversary mag under "10
Ways To Make Your Bass Sound Cool " ( something like that ).
later jammers
nic
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:30:01 -0600
From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: CDs stuck and does Myung pick
Message-ID: <000b01be3de4$41077c40$99739c83@7979811wheat.farm.niu.edu>
Hey, I had a similar problem with my car cd player ... actually, I've had
the problem twice, and it's always on CDRs. The greenbacks and some of the
cheaper gold backs. The cd won't eject, but it will play... that sort of
thing. Both times it took more than a day to get it out, and it was only a
miracle that it did (poking and prodding the player in its most sensitive
areas did nothing to help me... just pressed eject for the 1000th time and
it worked). I'd be interested to know if this is a CDR related issue, or a
freak coincidence. Al? Jens? :)
As far as Myung is concerned, I know he wasn't picking on that song live,
and the bass line isn't one of his hardest, so I would seriously doubt that
he's picking on the album. What you're hearing is that click from his
strings flopping either against the neck or the pickups. He seems to have a
real harsh feel... like he pounds the hell out of his strings. I know Gary
Willis was saying that a lighter touch seems to produce better tone (and
Gary's is beyond reproach). It could sound a lot like picking, but the
click seems too "in between" the notes. The sound of picking on bass or
guitar comes much more immediately before the note... listen to Manowar. I
find that WDADU has the most audible examples of the clickity bass sound...
I don't know if I like or dislike the sound, myself.
- Chris
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:32:50 -0500
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: tama website
Message-ID: <001c01be3de4$9d1cc9e0$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
following shawn's mention of cheaper octobans (thanks shawn), i went on the
web searching for good prices, and came across the Tama website. i was
surprised - it's not only well done, it's also very up-to-date. i'm
referring to the artists pages - for example, mike portnoy's entry:
Mike Portnoy
Band: Dream Theater, Liquid Tension Experiment
Drum Kit: Starclassic Maple in custom Purple Fade (sizes: (2)16x24, 5.5x14,
Octoban 343, Octoban 390, Octoban 443, Octoban 473, 8x8, 8x10, 9x12, 10x13,
14x14, 16x16, Octoban 536, Octoban 600)
Current project(s):
Double Live Dream Theater CD out now; titled "Once in a LIVEtime." It also
has an accompanying video, titled "5 Years in a LIVEtime."
Recording is finished on the second Liquid Tension Experiment record, with
only mixing to be done. A release date of May 4, 1999, with a tour in early
1999, is scheduled.
plus it has a diagram of his kit and a link to UACM. I'm impressed. damn,
the bastard has SIX octobans. damn him to hell :) moo.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 01:21:23 -0500
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: dtc?
Message-ID: <369AE9E3.B32535C2@bigfoot.com>
>p.s.: anybody ever see the movie "Heavenly Creatures"? stars Kate
>Winslet, directed by Peter Jackson, cool, albeit freaky flick.......
Hey, is that my smarmy prose? I dimly recall asking that question
several months ago. I don't know why you brought it up now, though. No
relation to dt.
It is a good movie, though. I just recently watched it again.
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel "Shop Smart. Shop...S-Mart!"------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 02:06:43 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Octoban question Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990112020526.25635A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
I just have a quick question regarding those things. What exactly are they, something like a rototom? From what I've read so far about them on the list they're a pitched percussion instrument, right? I could only assume thus that they're a membrane drum.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 02:32:36 PST From: "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: New genre name? Message-ID: <199901121032.CAA21276@f10.hotmail.com>
Hello Jammers! Out I come from hiding to propose a new thread that might interest you:
As I'm sure you all know, there's a new (or not so new, depending on how you look at it) movement in American metal lately. A segment of bands are starting to combine the urban sounds of rap with that of the crunchiness of the guitar, resulting in a hybrid sort of rap/metal. Some examples are:
Rage Against the Machine, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, System of a Down, Hed(Pe), Vanilla Ice's new CD (Believe it or not!), Clutch, The Deftones...
(I might be wrong about those last two since they're not as familiar to me...)
If you catch my drift, I'd say these bands are original enough to warrant a new name for their genre. Originality does not dictate quality, by the way (since I dislike half of them) but we must be fair and acknowlege that they are breaking some new ground here.
Has anyone heard of a catch-phrase used to describe these guys? I hate saying stuff like "They sound kinda like Korn". Any ideas?
..trying to stay hip in his mid-20's, this has been Dr. Teeth
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:25:44 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@hubcap.clemson.edu> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: New genre name? Message-ID: <002201be3e2f$0ecdb5a0$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
]From: Dave Peterson <glyde@hotmail.com> Subject: New genre name?
>As I'm sure you all know, there's a new (or not so new, depending on how >you look at it) movement in American metal lately. A segment of bands
you're right, not new. bands have been doing it for a while - downset, even biohazard have done the "rap over rock" thing for years. its just now starting to get popular (read: trendy). the category names i hear used the most are "rapcore" and "L.A. style hardcore". moo.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:54:40 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Tabs? / Bass Tip Message-ID: <369B622F.B84325D2@caribe.net>
AyameYuki@aol.com wrote:
> thanks for the info ( i checked with a jammer who has the solo recorded on a > blank CD ), and you are right, my friend and i were half right ( so that > cancels and make you correct over both of us! L:) ). and for a quick bass tip > , ive never seen a bassist ( or myself ) play bass with a pick. it sounds like > an amazing phenomenon for a bassist to see another bassist use a pick. i > thought using your own fingers were the best tip, but make it sound different > than the standard beat. ( refer to BASSPLAYER's 10th Anniversary mag under "10 > Ways To Make Your Bass Sound Cool " ( something like that ). > > later jammers > > nic
Well..lots of metal bass players use picks.. like Jason Newsted, Dave Ellefson *rules* , hm i think the guy from Shadow Gallery picks as well, most alternative bassists too ok taken only from my ibanez catalog pictures: Christian Olde Wolbers from Fear Factory picks, Life Of agony bassist, surprisingly enough the guys from Korn and limp bizkit dont !, the guys from rancid, pennywise and the offspring pick, and im sure theres many many more..
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:29:26 PST From: "Christi?n Oviedo" <chris_ov@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4554 Message-ID: <199901121429.GAA02156@law-f114.hotmail.com>
>>i was listening on IAW for the guitar solo for Take the Time...i >had afriend >>listen to it, and he's convinced that the guitar solo is played on >piano.my >>question is the tab right with saying its guitar or keyboard ? and >on theCD >I don't know if it helps, but in the guitar official song book, many >keyboard lines were tabbed for the guitar, but it doesn't mean that >they >were both played together on the song in the >album.----------------------------- >Kleindklein@sti.com.br
The first solo (beginning of the song) is played by a piano, and there is a part in the middle of the song where Moore plays a melody with Petrucci (both play the same notes), and after that begin a small keyboard solo.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:55:16 -0500 From: "Garinger, Andrew" <agaringer@SIWEB.COM> To: "'ytsejam@axnet.net'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Detroit Prog/Tiles info Message-ID: <510EEA34658AD211814600105A08E2D317E7AA@opus.siweb.com>
Here's some breaking news on Tiles and Detroit prog... First, the new album, Presents of Mind, is completed and set to be released in Europe and Japan. The band is working on local release and is tentatively considering Magna Carta! The cover art is done by Hugh Syme. I've seen it and it looks pretty cool. The mixing was again done by Terry Brown. This is shaping up to be a good one. I will hopefully have an import copy soon and I'll pass along more details to those interested... Second, Tiles is headlining a show at the I Rock on Jan 23rd. No word on an opening band as of yet. Last and best, they will also be headlining the Motor City ProgShow! They've tried to put this together before, but it's finally come through. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but on Jan 30, I'll be at JD's Macomb Theater in Mt. Clemens. :) It's a hard place to find, but totally worth it. They opened for Fates there awhile back and the venue ROCKED. Anyway, the opening bands are House of Usher and Discipline. I don't know anything about them, so if anyone can fill me in, I'd be much obliged. Anyway, tickets will be cheap ($10 or so) and should be available through Ticketmaster soon. I'm looking forward to this one big time... If you want more info on Tiles, drop by the site at www.tiles-music.com
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