YTSEJAM Digest 4561
Today's Topics:
1) drums etc...
by "Jason Barden" <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
2) drummage
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
3) Re: Octobans and tuning drums
by Darth1@aol.com
4) Speak To Me
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
5) RealAudio decompressing
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
6) Re: drums etc...
by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
7) "God gave rock and roll to you"
by Dave M Klint <davek@csh.rit.edu>
8) Queensryche demos
by "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
9) Re: Speak To Me
by polzin edward george <polzin@ews.uiuc.edu>
10) Pimpanis, Ocean Machines, Audio Mass, and a drumstick up my...
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
11) Re: ah, yesterdays...
by "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
12) logically, captain, I must disagree.
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
13) (no subject)
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
14) Re: Pimpanis, Ocean Machines, Audio Mass, and a drumstick up my...
by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
15) Re: "God gave rock and roll to you"
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:06:33 -0600
From: "Jason Barden" <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: drums etc...
Message-ID: <B0000012266@utstbsntogd1.USDBOGDEN>
>Are octobans what mike hits to kick off 6:00?
>yes.
Nope. Mike kicks of 6:00 with some high toms. You can tell this because
Octobans have a very distictive tone, Octobans have a lot mre attack. Just
watch "6:00" on 5YIALT Mike clearly is using his smaller toms. Mike does
use his octobans on the begining of "Just Let Me Breathe" Also for the
Awake album Mike endorsed Mapex drums. Octobans are made by Tama.
>Also, what does it mean to say a drum can be pitched? Can't any drum be
>pitched? I know they come in all different pitches. To be pitchable
>would mean to change the default setting, then?
I think he means change the pitch. Octobans are tuned just like any other
drum.
>And while we're on the subject of my percussive ignorance, why is there
>a pillow in a bass drum?
>to mute it. as i said, an unmuted drum rings and sounds melodic, which isn't
>a good thing for a bass drum. you want it to sound thumpy. most drummers
>also mute their toms and stuff, because in general a percussive, "thom" is
>preferred over "thoooommmmmmm" when you're doing a fill. however, some
>drummers don't mute them or barely mute them to keep them from sounding too
>dead. moo.
This is true. Alot of people like a little resonance from their bass John
Bonham, Vinnie Paul, etc... but some people prefer more attack than tone
i.e. Lars Ulrich from that M band.
Jason Barden
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:26:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
To: "Ytse 'The Jam' Ventura" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: drummage
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990113103938.11135A-100000@gs.bass.org>
In the last installment of Ytse Digest, the cry was heard, "Check out the
big brain on Brad!"
>I believe you're talking about timpani.
They're actually tympani (as the ear drum is also called the tympanum),
but that doesn't really matter. But to answer the original question
about what a pitched drum is vs. nonpitched: yes, all drums have a pitch
that can be determined, but many of them are low enough that their
overtones don't cause dissonance. Why the tympani are classified as
pitched is that their shell helps to focus the tightness of the head and
help it ring. If snares and toms rang longer, they could be classified as
pitched. After all most times you can only tell snare "pitches" in
relation to another snare, ie 311's drummer has a much tighter, crisper
snare than The Church's.
Rototoms ring a bit longer and can be controlled to a certain extent. Of
course the best examples of pitched percussion include crotales,
glockenspiels, marimbas, and pianos.
Dave Klint sighed in nostalgia about the music industry:
>The public used to like...guitar wonders like Clapton and Hendrix.
Many didn't get into them as much as the Doors and other closer to
mainstream artists. Only with the advent of the "Classic Rock" format have
these monsters gotten the recognition they deserve. But, then you listen
to what Clapton is doing now (some is great like his Unplugged album) and
you wonder what happened. Yes, times change and he can still tear up
Badge, but he doesn't write songs like that anymore.
P
NP The Church: Magician Among the Spirits Plus Some
Alan Parsons: On Air
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Paul's musical quote for the Month:
War Child/ Victim of political pride/ Plant the seed/ Territorial greed/
Mind the War Child/ We should mind the War Child
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:36:40 EST
From: Darth1@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Octobans and tuning drums
Message-ID: <f26bf8fd.369ccb98@aol.com>
In a message dated 1/12/99 10:47:48 PM Central Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com
writes:
> >Also, what does it mean to say a drum can be pitched? Can't any drum be
> >pitched? I know they come in all different pitches. To be pitchable
> >would mean to change the default setting, then?
>
>
> i wonder the same thing - octobans cant have their pitch changed during
> playing, as umm, that big ass drum they use in symphonic bands that has a
> pedal below it to change the pitch. i forget what its called :)
Timphani drums. And yes, they are the ultimate tunable drum. Just by moving a
pedal on the floor you can change them to an actual note (A,B,C,D,E,F,G). If
you remember the opening to 2001 A Space Oddyssy...Thats a Timphani...
Wouldn't it be cool to use one of those in a metal song? Think about it...
That would be some LOUD crap!!!
Octobans, what I've heard about them, are tunable to a note, or close to a
note, but not on the fly. Whereas regular toms are tunable, but you can't
actually get a note out of them, just a pitch...
Jus' my .002 cents...
Josh S.
NP: Ocean Machine: Hide Nowhere (I can't get enough of this album!)
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:26:29 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: YtseLand <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Speak To Me
Message-ID: <369CBB25.395C7361@mol.com.mk>
The lyrics part
"Tell me what you're thinking 2x
Tell me what you're feeling inside "
is shameless U2 rip-off! ;)
But nice song though! :) No harsh feelings for our DT fellows! :)
--CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:33:20 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: YtseLand <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RealAudio decompressing Message-ID: <369CAEB0.29BCCFC9@mol.com.mk>
Once someone mentioned that there's a program called something like RA2WAV that decompress the RealAudio sound back to WAV!
Haven't tried it yet, but is this possible? I'm not expert in the area but here's what I think.
Compressing means losing some information right? So, maybe it's possible making some algorithm that will try creating back the original info. Maybe the algorithm can try to fill in the empty data space by logic, but it it can't be ideal!
Now, if compressing means keeping the original info (WAV) but just "squeezed" in a way, maybe it's possible pulling it out again! But then why the compressed file (RM) is much smaller if it contains the original data anyway (one way or another)?
Any idea of an expert? --
CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:16:29 -0500 (EST) From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: drums etc... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990113121539.2245A-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>
> From: Jason Barden <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us> > Subject: drums etc... > > >Are octobans what mike hits to kick off 6:00? > > >yes. > > Nope. Mike kicks of 6:00 with some high toms. You can tell this because
my bad, i was judging by the MP instructional video, where he DOES use octobans. i didn't refer to the original CD. Moo.
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:54:07 -0500 From: Dave M Klint <davek@csh.rit.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: "God gave rock and roll to you" Message-ID: <199901131754.MAA20812@elwood.csh.rit.edu>
I know I should probably let this thread die, but I have this Bill & Ted type dream of universally enjoyed good music. I didn't think I was the only one who wanted my music to be enjoyed by everyone. I absolutly hate it when fans of a band abandon them if they get popular (311, M*t*ll*ca, now Korn, etc). The music's the same, so why should a band be hated becuase they're now that evil word called 'mainstream'. Judge a band by their sound, not by their sales.
>From: Chris Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com> > >Ok, first, techno and industrial are alive and doing much better than >prog.
In europe, perhaps. But then again they seem to have better musical taste anyway. But I would need some hard figures to be convinced of this. Bands like Prodigy and Crystal Meth and Orbital and KMFDM and Chemical Bros bla bla bla had their 15 minutes just a little while ago. But it's a fad, just like ska and swing (flames to commence, I'm sure).
>I don't agree with the "perform live" thing either. Did Beethoven >ever play his own music?
The point was missed. Beethoven may not have played all 200 instruments, but he didn't have a tape playing in the background of samples from 70's disco songs and a tympani (sp) drum machine keeping the beat.
>You can play ANYTHING live if you hire good musicians. I personally think >writing and performing skills are two completely different things,
They are _very_ different things. In fact, few bands who can write good songs are the best at playing their instruments. The reason I made the statement of anything that cannot be performed live will ultimatly fail is to expain the reason things like disco and techno and other music like that remain confined to 'fad' status. I realized that a basic difference between then and the so-called rock revolutions are that the music cannot be performed. When all you have is a light show and a lead singer chanting over a recording of a song, people will not be amused for very long. The most notable exception being, of course, rap, which is an entirly different topic.
>From: James Hunt <p_haze@mail.utexas.edu> [ in responce to comments about grunge rock] >Okay, sure, for the most part, but I don't think you can really write off >every band from the early nineties, Soundgarden especially.
I definitly agree. Soundgarden is one of my favorite bands, and their non-radio songs (and some of their singles) are awesome. But I was covering some of the songs off of Badmotorfinger after playing guitar for a week. Trouble is I've been playing for a year now and I haven't gotten any better (damn).
>From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de> >somebody wrote something along the lines of "a band that sounds like >Korn with Petrucci guitar solos will be big".
That would be I.
>Search no longer, amigo >mio. Just play the album "Chaosphere" by Meshuggah - ultra hard, >ultra-heavy riffing and very, very sick guitar work. Plus, these guys >blow you against the wall in a live situation. You have been warned.
Kick ass. What other band has a thesis on their website? (http://www.acc.umu.se/~boman/meshuggah) Having never heard then, I cannot judge, but two things. First, their Swedish! I want an American Band dammit! But I know monkeys will sooner fly out of my butt, so I'll take what I can get. Second, why does every 'M' in a metal band have to look like the 'M' from Megadeth? Just a pet peave.
So, why is it so hard to believe that it might be possible that good, talented, powerful, kick-ass music might become popular soon? I'm not going to change what I listen to, but I'm not going to lose my identity if everyone starts following me! Oh and one more thing, only on ytsejam would people like Tiny Tim, Method Man, and Vanilla Ice be mentioned in the same issue. I love this list.
-davek
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 9:46 -0800 From: "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Queensryche demos Message-ID: <199901131812.KAA29963@knight.axnet.net>
So they just finished playing a few of the new QR demos from the upcoming album. Presumably some of this stuff and more will be performed at the fan club show. The production of these songs, demos heard through my cheesy clock radio at work, sounded better (sonically) than Hear in the Now Frontier does on my parent's super duper stereo. However, if you didn't care for HitNF, you're not going to like this one either, as it is VERY stylistically similar. They haven't done their usual "change our shit drastically with every album" this time around. They seem to be content to do the straight ahead rock thing these days. But who knows? These were just demos and things could change dramatically when they go into the studio. Sorry I can't be more descriptive about the music, but I was working and listening at the same time. All I can say is that the music wasn't exciting enough to make me stop working. -Rahul Ananda
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:20:22 -0600 (CST) From: polzin edward george <polzin@ews.uiuc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Speak To Me Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990113121943.4710B-100000@eesn23.ews.uiuc.edu>
most likely why it didnt make it to FII. Personally, i think the whole song sounds like a earlier U2 style.
On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, CyberDuke wrote:
> > The lyrics part > > "Tell me what you're thinking 2x > Tell me what you're feeling inside " > > is shameless U2 rip-off! ;) > > But nice song though! :) No harsh feelings for our DT fellows! :) > -- > > CyberDuke > _______________________________________________________ > Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ > E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk > ICQ# 17392722 > _______________________________________________________ > >
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:56:51 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Pimpanis, Ocean Machines, Audio Mass, and a drumstick up my... Message-ID: <005001be3f27$38cd36c0$0201010a@chuck>
>you remember the opening to 2001 A Space Oddyssy...Thats a Timphani... >Wouldn't it be cool to use one of those in a metal song? Think about it... >That would be some LOUD crap!!!
Actually, as I recall, Superior applied one on Behind (likely a keyboard one, yet all the same...) in the midst of Tomorrow's Eve, I believe it was... Cant' remember for sure, tho. I love the sound of 'em.
>NP: Ocean Machine: Hide Nowhere (I can't get enough of this album!)
Neither I, my friend, neither I... Although I did force myself to leave it home today. I'm afraid of wearing it out. heheh.
>Compressing means losing some information right? So, maybe it's possible >making some algorithm that will try creating back the original info.
Compression of data won't cause data loss, but compression of sound will cause audio deficiencies. Now if it were a zipped wav file, you could simple unzip it and it would still retain its original quality, but after you create any compressed audio file (RA, MP3, etc), you lost some quality that you can't get back. I have an MP32WAV program that works wonderfully for the backward translation process, but the wav file still has the occasional hisses and pops. Its still worth it to get some of those rarities I find on MP3 back to a CD. :)
I'll let one of the techies field the technobabble of the subject, but all I can say is that if you DO find or make a program that converts 28k RA files back to CD quality, i want to be the first to run to your house, rub your hard drive, and make a genie pop out granting wishes.
But then, I may just be a cynic, wot? (No, not me!)
>Awake album Mike endorsed Mapex drums. Octobans are made by Tama.
I could've swore Mapex specially made Mike a set of octobans back then... For some reason I remember my drummer telling me such a couple of years ago that Tama specifically makes them, but Mapex made a set just for Mike. *scratches head* Mike, comments? :) Maybe I'm confusing it with his pressure sensitive jack in the box. You know, the one he hits with a drumstick and a chihuahua's head pops out stating "Yo quiero Taco Bell, beyotch!" *shrugs* That drum rig's so complicated I get confused.
Anyhowser... It's time I quit posting so much. *chuckles* I gotta quite pretending I know everything. -- KorgX3 the Omni-potent. NP: IntruMP3ntal, an 150 song instrumental MP3 CD. Current song: Joe Satriani, Rubina
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:10:49 -0600 From: "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net, ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: ah, yesterdays... Message-ID: <369cefb82068001@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <199901131428.JAA14418@elwood.csh.rit.edu> from ytsejam@ax.com:
> Argue it any way you want. There WILL be a music revolution, or > revitalization, or recycle, or whatever you want to call it. It will > happen, becuase history tells us it will happen. Whether talent > comes in style is up for debate, but there will be a change.
Obviously there will be a change, there always is. But like I said before, something like DT or Fates or Yes or Sepeltura (to throw in a metal example) is never going to be popular because it's too strange for the average person. Any movement that becomes popular gets watered down. It happened to metal, it happened to ska, it'll happen to anything.
>I'll always fight >to get people to like my music, becuase I want everyone else to get the >joy out of it that I do; I know it won't happen, but I'll try.
WHAT'S THE POINT?? It's like the old saying: Don't try to teach a pig to read. It frustrates you and annoys the pig. (or something like that)
Let someone hear the music, but don't badger them about it. Wouldn't you get annoyed if someone was constantly saying to you, "Man, I'm gonna put on this Busta Rhymes for you again! Check these hype beats yo! C'mon! You know you like it!"? Just because you think your music is the best stuff ever doesn't mean it is. How do you know that person doesn't get just as much joy out of whatever they listen to? Or maybe they find joy in things other than music; people do have other interests, you know.
In short...quit making a pest of yourself and let people live their lives.
-Brian
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:40:07 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: logically, captain, I must disagree. Message-ID: <369CF697.2747EAE1@bigfoot.com>
>And if you're looking for a good hardcore band, don't forget the >mighty Machine Head (must be cool because Mike Portnoy wore >one of their shirts once). Fast, hard and full in your face. Also a
He wore one of my shirts once. I'm still a short, pudgy, nerdy, jew.
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel "Shop Smart. Shop...S-Mart!"
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:47:10 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <369CF83E.46F5BB76@bigfoot.com>
Does he still call himself Vanilla Ice, or has it just been shortened to Ice? Trivia: I first heard the Queen/Bowie song Under Pressure about two years ago, and thought it was a really awesome remix of the "original" vanilla ice version. When I told people and they laughed at me, I quickly learned the truth.
A few weeks ago, during some stupid MTV spot, he called the Snapple Lady a bitch. that was priceless.
Who's going to the LTE show at the bowery next thurday??? private e-mail me.
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel "Shop Smart. Shop...S-Mart!"
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:55:11 -0500 (EST) From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Pimpanis, Ocean Machines, Audio Mass, and a drumstick up my... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990113145320.20128A-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>
> From: Korg Ecksthrey <korgx3@safelink.net> > Subject: Pimpanis, Ocean Machines, Audio Mass, and a drumstick up my... > > that you can't get back. I have an MP32WAV program that works wonderfully > for the backward translation process, but the wav file still has the > occasional hisses and pops. Its still worth it to get some of those > rarities I find on MP3 back to a CD. :)
setting winamp to "diskwriter" output instead of waveout produces good wav files, as far as i can tell... is there some reason not to use it? i might be missing something as i never realized 128 kbps mp3s lost quality till someone pointed it out and i went back and listened closely (thanks a lot :) but yeah, are there better programs than winamp for getting mp3s back to wav?
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:55:19 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: "God gave rock and roll to you" Message-ID: <369D0837.B1E53A65@caribe.net>
Dave M Klint wrote:
> In europe, perhaps. But then again they seem to have better musical > taste anyway. But I would need some hard figures to be convinced of this. > Bands like Prodigy and Crystal Meth and Orbital and KMFDM and Chemical > Bros bla bla bla had their 15 minutes just a little while ago. But it's > a fad, just like ska and swing (flames to commence, I'm sure). >
Ohhh yeah.. im not exactly a ska fan , but ska has been around WAY before most of the bands we know and love, ska is a predecessor of reggae.. so that gives you an idea on how old it really is... that doesnt have to do anything with the fact that the american mainstream started paying attention to it recently.... again, im not saying that ska rules or nothing.. althought there are some VERY talented bands out there .. like the Ny Ska-Jazz ensemble ( traditional jazz anyone? ) but I wanted to speak out in favor of ska NOT being a fad... since weree talking about it being around since like the 50's, also.. most of the mainstream bands we know as "ska" are not considered to be true for older fans...they mostly consider bands like sublime, mighty bosstones and such as "poseur" ska..
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