YTSEJAM Digest 4567
Today's Topics:
1) Gordion Knot
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
2) Chris Squire & Nit Picking
by IceQD@aol.com
3) Vinnie Paul
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
4) Re: Vinnie Paul
by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
5) Munching on Country (long combined spiel)
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
6) Vinnie Paul
by "Jason Barden" <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
7) Re: LTE Live
by Glen Brooks <g_brooks@yahoo.com>
8) buh bye!
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
9) RE: New genre name?
by Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
10) Re: New genre name?
by Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
11) Re: Xmas CD mp3, CDR copy's
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
12) Re: Gordion Knot
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
13) taping the phili show
by D2112T@aol.com
14) Re: Music Bizz 'n stuff
by Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
15) Re:Drums
by Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net>
16) Happy Birthday to me!
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
17) Re: craig , hey im a guitarist as well as musician!
by AyameYuki@aol.com
18) RE: Munchings and Crunchings
by "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com>
19) LTE in LA
by rockercat <cherylcat@earthlink.net>
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:21:43 -0800 (PST)
From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam dream theater <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Gordion Knot
Message-ID: <19990114212143.15222.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com>
How many of you jammerz are going to purchase the Gordion Knot cd
tomorrow, at least I am pretty sure it comes out tomorrow. Doesn't
our very own John Myung contribute to a coupla trax?
Later all
==
John
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:33:01 EST
From: IceQD@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Chris Squire & Nit Picking
Message-ID: <90963338.369e628d@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:57:00 -0600
]From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Munchings and crunchings
This person seems to enjoy nit-picking and obviously wants to be someone!!
Makes me wonder how old ........
--MATt wrote:
Thinking about the history on the bass, I can't think of many bass players
who played predominantly with a pick, and actually made a significant
contribution to the instrument. The only one that comes to mind is Chris
Squire...
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Well there ya go, cos Chris Squire's sound was my original inspiration to play
bass. John McCoy (Gillan) was another.
In fact Yes feature heavily in my overall inspiration, the song Roundabout
(Fragile) started my desire to play classical and acoustic guitar.
Alan White/Bill Bruford are in there too (just listen to side 4 of Topographic
Oceans when all the band play drums)
Jon Anderson's voice too (SO feminine)
Rick Wakeman was my original keyboard influence.
But ALICE COOPER put the shock into rock and roll!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice Ice Baby
(Or perhaps I'll change it to Cold Ethyl or even Ethyl Mertz hehehehehehe)
We go dancin' nightly, in the attic ..........
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:09:11 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Vinnie Paul
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498091BF@messaging>
<<<<<
I knew about Bonham's and Ulrich's bass drum sound, but to me Vinnie
Paul's bass drum has always sounded really sharp (at least on display of
power and far beyond driven). I guess you're talking about the sound he
uses on southern trendkill?
Another Paul-related question: I read a Portnoy interview in a magazine
where they briefly discussed engineering in the studio, and Vinnie Paul's
name came up. The interviewer right then mentioned that Paul likes to
duct-tape a quarter to each of his bass drum heads, right where the beater
strikes it. They didn't make it clear why he does this (except for the
sound that results). Does this give the crisp sound from the bass drum
which is one of his trademarks? If not, what does this accomplish?
>>>>>
As a fellow Pantera fan and VP worshipper, I must comment. First off,
Vinnie not only is a great drummer, but is the man when it comes to getting
a good sound out of ANYTHING. He engineered their live sound for a long
time (he may still), and has always had what I consider to be a PERFECT drum
sound for their music. The toms are extremely resonant, and if you've ever
been to a Pantera show on the FLOOR, the toms shake the earth (I remember it
very vividly during "This Love"). Anyway, he duct-tapes quarters onto the
heads to get a little 'click', which assures you can hear the attack of the
bass drum over everything else that is happening. This is one reason why
his sound is so sharp and tight, but a lot has to do with mic placement (and
selection) as well.
David Dixon, MCP
Internet Developer
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
david@iisweb.com
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:21:00 -0500 (EST)
From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Vinnie Paul
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990114172008.28351A-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>
> very vividly during "This Love"). Anyway, he duct-tapes quarters onto the
> heads to get a little 'click', which assures you can hear the attack of the
> bass drum over everything else that is happening. This is one reason why
sort of an acoustic alternative to triggering? does he tape it on the
inside or outside of the drum head? i assume outside, but just checking.
moo.
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:33:13 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Munching on Country (long combined spiel)
Message-ID: <005601be400d$e3dfcc80$0201010a@chuck>
>when I think of country, I think of Shania Twain, Garth Brooks stuff. This
That's because they are what the country crowd considers mainstream country.
Shania, Garth, Reba, LeAnn, etc. Basically they're just a different flavor
of pop. (hehe, I'll take a cherry coke, please). It's the same stuff on
different instruments. Slide guitars, pedal steels, quivering nasal voices
(not always). I've often seen the drumsets consist of just a bass drum, a
snare, and a tambourine. *shakes head dully* Alot of country songs can
rock as hard as anything. Country, though, mostly is dedicated to the
lyrics and the rythmn. There are songs to make you laugh and cry, but
seldom ever do they make you want to leap at the nearest person to you and
cave their nose in. The rythmn is about the most disgruntling part of
country. It's almost always a 4/4 bass/snare beat without hardly any
exemplification of cymbal technique nor drum fills, etc. The drums are very
generally BORING to the point of irritation. Ah, well. There's some that
aren't bad either, like when they actually start getting percussive on the
slower songs.
When I first joined this list, I remember having a terrible despisal of
country music (and I live in Idaho for Jimny Christmas). I've grown to have
a great tolerance and even a subtle appreciation for some artists. A big
problem I have with cracking a genre is I try to jump in headfirst. I'll
pick up an Alan Jackson CD and suddenly start spitting nails listening to
it. Start from the outside of the circle and work your way to the center.
It's like those circular labyrinth mazes. You'll hit a few dead ends (bands
you don't like) on the way, but the trip is mostly always worth it. (Unless
the bastards forget to put the cheese in the middle). For country, I found
that if I started with folk music, I could start working my way in. I found
a damn cool folk group that I like alot (Chris and Johnny) that was like
something of a foundation for what alot of country songs are based on.
Modern country is mostly a pop derivative of folk music. I eventually would
hear country songs afterwards and see where they are coming from. And some
of their guitar players and such can kick ass, too. hehehe. Maybe someday
I might like rap as well, but I just haven't found any worthwhile starting
point to get into it. (Although I DID like DJ Jazzy and FP a long time
ago).
>that I dont like. There is some old country fiddle stuff that I think is
For some reason I've always like that Charlie Daniel's Band tune. hehehe.
Even through my country abhorring days.
>sound like a pseudo light metal band with a vocalist who is a cross
>between Primus and the B52's, and I just cant take that seriously.
Holy crap! That just described my reasons for why I don't like alot of
stuff. I may not seem to take anything seriously, but the music is the only
thing I can think of that I do. Maybe the bands who write the stuff I don't
like are sincere and serious about their work, but even knowing this, it may
still seem rediculous to me. I refuse to listen to "party" music. I don't
"party."
>sucks makes no sense. it's the same as saying that all black guys suck.
>there's no way you've met all of them. (warning i'm not implying that
Good analogy, but IMO, if I was treated like shit by every <insert culture
here> person I'd met and someone told me that there were some good ones out
there, I still shouldn't be expected to get a wild hair up my ass to weed
through a bunch more dickheads just to find one nice guy. :) Note, that
was just in reference to Cow's analogy and definitely isn't meant to offend
anyone. If you were offended, blow me.
Doh! That was mean. :)
-- KorgX3's gone country! Look at dem boots...------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:37:14 -0600 From: "Jason Barden" <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Vinnie Paul Message-ID: <B0000012472@utstbsntogd1.USDBOGDEN>
>Another Paul-related question: I read a Portnoy interview in a magazine >where they briefly discussed engineering in the studio, and Vinnie Paul's >name came up. The interviewer right then mentioned that Paul likes to >duct-tape a quarter to each of his bass drum heads, right where the beater >strikes it. They didn't make it clear why he does this (except for the >sound that results). Does this give the crisp sound from the bass drum >which is one of his trademarks? If not, what does this accomplish?
He does this to increase the attack. As far as his crisp sound this is definatly one of the factors, he also does some pretty inventive miking in the studio.
Jason
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:05:29 -0800 (PST) From: Glen Brooks <g_brooks@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: LTE Live Message-ID: <19990114230529.14462.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com>
Hey everybody...... I recieved an email from Jordan Rudess about the upcoming LTE gigs. In response to him, this is what I wrote: >>We really appreciate that you guys are going to do a >>few gigs....Once in a lifetime experience to see it >>right? Well, I am in Dallas and don't stand a >>snowball's chance in hell to see these shows. Is >>there any chance that there could be a live >>recorcing release of this live >>show experience or maybe a video? >> >>Please let me know and talk to Mike Portnoy about it. >> >>Glen Brooks
And this is the response from him...WoW!!! Wouldn't this be awesome??
>We will record it and who knows!!
>Jordan
Glen
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:18:36 EST From: DragynLMC3@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: buh bye! Message-ID: <4ae5a4c0.369e7b4c@aol.com>
well people, I'm back off the list, yet again to go back to NY. It's been real and I'll be back. Too many of you afford me some sort of amusement for me to leave it for good. :} so see yall later!
~Lisa DragynLMC3@aol.com http://members.aol.com/dragynlmc3/DragynsLair.html Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. ~Mark Twain
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:57:21 +0000 From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: RE: New genre name? Message-ID: <369E3E0D.5B9ECC14@mindspring.com>
Hey. Sorry to disappoint, but this style was hit upon in the late 80's and early 90's, just many people don't seem to remember it, never got into it, or are just not down with it, yo. So if you remember the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Infectious Grooves, RUN DMC, Scatterbrain, Faith No More and my personal favorite, Mordred, these are a few of the excellent bands BAFORE their time. Of course, they also combined alot of funk and blues and jazz into their funkaholical mix, but you want to rock out, jam and move around like crazy, and listen to impressive, for the most part, shredding at the same time, check out any of the aforementioned bands. Especially, MORDRED and SCATTERBRAIN and the RHCP who are still around.
One funky dude, SM
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:59:48 +0000 From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: New genre name? Message-ID: <369E3EA0.2607D30E@mindspring.com>
Additionally, as I am now paraphrasing myself, STUCK MOJO kicks ass.
Cyberwolf wrote:
> Hey. Sorry to disappoint, but this style was hit upon in the late 80's and early > 90's, just many people > don't seem to remember it, never got into it, or are just not down with it, yo. So if > you remember > the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Infectious Grooves, RUN DMC, Scatterbrain, Faith No More > and my personal > favorite, Mordred, these are a few of the excellent bands BAFORE their time. Of > course, they also > combined alot of funk and blues and jazz into their funkaholical mix, but you want to > rock out, jam and > move around like crazy, and listen to impressive, for the most part, shredding at the > same time, check out > any of the aforementioned bands. Especially, MORDRED and SCATTERBRAIN and the RHCP > who are still around. > > One funky dude, SM
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:58:38 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: AEllis1222@aol.com Subject: Re: Xmas CD mp3, CDR copy's Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9901141857420.8138-100000@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu>
> So basically, it's cool to trade? I took the cd off my website as soon as I > heard it was not cool, and I've subsequently gotten about 10 e-mails from > people begging for the disc. I just want to clear it up. If I was to put the > XMAS 98 disc on my site for trade only, it would be viewed as ok?
Yes. Keep in mind that I am NOT anti-bootleg. I just don't see the need to SELL music that the band has put out of their own pockets to give to the fans. Of course, the music should be heard - which is why trading kicks as much ass as it does.
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:59:42 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Gordion Knot Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9901141858430.8138-100000@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu>
> How many of you jammerz are going to purchase the Gordion Knot cd > tomorrow, at least I am pretty sure it comes out tomorrow. Doesn't > our very own John Myung contribute to a coupla trax? I got my copy yesterday, and Myung is on 3 tracks:
Redemption's Way Rivers Dancing Srikara Tal
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:01:59 EST From: D2112T@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: taping the phili show Message-ID: <fe764e76.369e8577@aol.com>
hey mike
i would be more than happy to let you share my video camera for the show
>:)
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:36:21 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Music Bizz 'n stuff Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990115013621.0126390c@earthlink.net>
>Hmm, maybe Who were pop in very early stage, but titling "Sparks", "My >Generation" or "Tommy" as Pop??? :) >Nah!
Thank you! And don't forget Who's Next, and Who are You, at which point they begin to sound very (*gasp*) PROG of all things. Songs like Baba Oreily and Who are You were very keyboard heavy and very out there musically. Bout time The Who got some recognition around here ;)
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:33:38 -0600 From: Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net> To: Ytsejammers <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re:Drums Message-ID: <369E9AF2.518A15AE@wavetech.net>
> Hey guys what I know is that Octoban is the trademark of TAMA. They produce long tubed toms with a radius of 6 inches and they call them Octobans. If you have loooked at Mike's Mapex set (From the Awake era) you should have realized that there's no drum looking like an Octoban.>
True and false. If you look at the booklet that came with the instuctional vid, it says "6 inch Octobon-style drum (various lengths)." Maybe Tama owns the trademark on the name "Octobon," but not the style of drum itself.
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:38:13 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Happy Birthday to me! Message-ID: <002901be4027$d15eb660$4e0d84d0@default>
Albeit it was a week early, but wtf? :)
What happens when I come home from work today and there is an envelope from the DTIFC on my favorite leather mechanical bull? I say "What the Hell?" Of course I run it through the bomb scanner and it clears. We've all heard about Syrinx Kaczinsky's wacky tricks.
Anyway, I rip the sucker open and pull out a blue card with a photograph of five scummy bastages sittin' about a spare tire swillin' liquor that says, "Birthday Greetings". Many thanks to all you guys at the DTIFC and of course, DT themselves. This was an unexpected surprise. :) To everyone else who gets one, there's a little present with it, but I'm not tellin'. Let there be surprise! *waves hands magnificently and everything goes dark* Doh! Sorry, folks. Give me seven days...
Nothin' like five fellow scummies tellin' you that you're the shit. I'm the shit, baybee, YAAAHHHH!!!! -- KorgX3 is THE shit.
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:07:25 EST From: AyameYuki@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: craig , hey im a guitarist as well as musician! Message-ID: <6f12e0c3.369ea2dd@aol.com>
yeah,...youre right. growing out the nails on the right hand does work. but with how my teacher expects me to play in class and in my band that he "manages" my nails snap off easily ( even though ive got hard fingernails ). i have to wear bandaids on my fingers a few days each week. so id rather just stick with no nails ( but ive got a lot of calluses regardless ). happy playing!0
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:23:38 PST From: "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: RE: Munchings and Crunchings Message-ID: <19990115022339.7776.qmail@hotmail.com>
You don't need to listen to every rap CD there ever was to form on opinion on that musical artform. I don't like most rap b/c most of the rap (I'm just continuing w/ your metaphor) I've heard sucks IMHO. I like Busta Rhymes, Dre and a few others. I can honestly say I don't like rap. Same for hip hop (is there a real difference???). Same for modern country (and "modern swing" too. Now THERE'S some real shit). The criteria for liking a form of music is the same for disliking it- I don't have to hear every rock CD there ever was to figure out that I like rock as an artform. Which is just as well b/c there's some real good rock and there's some real crap too (same for any other genre). When you've sampled a fair amount of what that particular genre has to offer, you can conclude for yourself that you don't like it. It's that simple.
Trent
>yes, you can. there's no way someone can have heard every single rap >artist who put out music. not everything classified as "rap" sounds the >same, just as DT doesn't sound like symphony x. you can't judge an entire >category by a small part of it. you can say "i haven't heard any rap that >i liked". fine. but to say that you've listened and decided that all rap >sucks makes no sense. it's the same as saying that all black guys suck. >there's no way you've met all of them. (warning i'm not implying that >black guys suck, just that it's the same kind of thinking) even if for >some reason every single person with dark skin you've met in your life has >been an asshole or whatever, you can't discredit the entire race based on >that. > > >*** END OF TRANSMISSION *** > >
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:32:03 -0800 From: rockercat <cherylcat@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: LTE in LA Message-ID: <369EA8A2.BC3D39B8@earthlink.net>
You can count me in on this one! I even did the wise thing and took Tuesday off from work....can you say P A R T Y?!?!??! /me thinks of the ramifications of having a post-LTE party at my house.......
rockercat
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